Should the Edmonton Oilers consider keeping Nikolai Khabibulin?

Jonathan Willis
May 08 2013 12:44PM

Oilers’ backup Nikolai Khabibulin is an unrestricted free agent this summer. Does it make sense for the team to keep him around rather than shopping elsewhere?

Four years ago, the Oilers signed Nikolai Khabibulin as a free agent. Over his previous four years in Chicago, Khabibulin had a mix of performance and health problems, but he redeemed himself somewhat with a tremendous contract year. History seems to have repeated itself. Over four seasons in Edmonton, Khabibulin has had a mix of performance and health problems, but once again has come through at the end of his contract with a 0.923 save percentage over 12 games. Just as it didn’t in 2009, that late surge doesn’t make Khabibulin a good fit for the team.

Injury

Khabibulin was well-established as one of the most injury prone starting goalies in the NHL when the Oilers signed him. From 2006-06 to 2008-09, Khabibulin missed 66 games (an average of 17 per season) to a variety of maladies, with most of them being back and lower body injuries. That total ranked him fourth among NHL starters in time missed to injury; ahead of him were Pascal Leclaire (since retired), Rick DiPietro (the Islanders only wish he was retired) and Kari Lehtonen (he’s been remarkably healthy since).

In the four years since, injuries have been a frequent problem for Khabibulin. Via TSN, here’s the list of games missed to injury:

  • 2009-10: Missed 60 games (back injury)
  • 2010-11: Missed six games (groin injury)
  • 2010-11: Missed four games (eye injury)
  • 2011-12: Missed five games (groin injury)
  • 2012-13: Missed five games (hip injury)
  • 2012-13: Missed eight games (groin injury)
  • Total: 88 games lost to injury, average of 22 per season

For just under one in three games the Oilers have played since signing Khabibulin, the veteran goaltender has been on injured reserve. If not for the lockout, that total would have been inflated, as Khabibulin was on injured reserve to start the 2013 season.

Khabibulin is now 40 years old. Injury was a concern when the Oilers signed an oft-injured 36-year old; it’s more of a concern four years later.

Performance

Khabibulin was coming off a difficult four-year stint in Chicago when the Oilers signed him. He had won the Stanley cup with Tampa Bay just before the lockout, and the Blackhawks paid big money for him to solve their goaltending problems. Instead, he was terrible in 2005-06, moderately better in 2006-07, decent in 2007-08 and quite good in 2008-09. Overall, he posted a 0.904 save percentage over that span – a total that ranked 27th among goalies with a minimum of 100 starts in that period.

Khabibulin’s performance in Edmonton has been similar. He was pretty good in an 18-game first season before injury knocked him out of the lineup, but was then terrible the following year. A hot start in 2011-12 combined with a brutal finish propelled him to average-ish overall numbers, and then in a short stint this season Khabibulin was excellent. Overall, he posted a 0.903 save percentage over four years in Edmonton – almost the same total as he managed in Chicago, except that NHL goaltending has improved. Among goalies with a minimum of 100 games played over those four years, Khabibulin’s 0.903 save percentage ranks 39th of 42 players.

NHL goalies are getting better. At 40, Khabibulin is not.

Bottom Line

Khabibulin is a terrible fit for the Oilers. Ideally, the Oilers need a backup they can count on to play (Khabibulin can’t be, due to injury), play well (Khabibulin has not consistently done so) and ideally someone who can continue to push starter Devan Dubnyk or take over for a stretch if he falters or gets hurt (something Khabibulin simply isn’t capable of doing at this stage of his career).

When it comes to addressing the number two goaltending slot in Edmonton, Nikolai Khabibulin shouldn’t be in the conversation.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Ducey
May 08 2013, 01:57PM
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Bulin should have been traded at the deadline.

The Oilers should be looking at someone who is relatively young (in his 20's) who might develop into a viable option at #1 after a few years. They will then have a strong tandem or a trade chip.

Keeping Bulin just puts off the requirement to do something useful for a year.

If there are no other options - fine. But I have trouble believing that there are no other options when there are usually a few established goalies looking for work in September.

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#52 mlcsellil
May 08 2013, 01:58PM
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I like Khabby, but I think retirement from the net is in everyones best interest. (I feel the same way about #94). With that being said, I think using both of these vets in some sort of coaching capacity would be a benefit to the roster players. Their voices of experience could be superior to what they can leave on the ice during a game. Age has caught up unfortunately.

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#53 Eddie Edmonton
May 08 2013, 02:06PM
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Will wrote:

Both Dubnyk and Luongo's strengths lie in being big goalies that take away angles well, and can smartly read plays. Neither of them is overly athletic so reacting is not their strong suite. Hence, why their shoot out numbers are not at the top end of the league. Though I think Dubnyk occasionally shows some athletic ability, it's not his play style. And that is fine. Where he falters as the number one is in his consistency. If he is going to be a goalie that takes away angles, then he has to be that all the time, and that is where Luongo could help him improve his game.

Not only does he make Dubnyk need to do better to be our number one, but he can actually help make him better, while providing reliable goal tending when he's in net.

Dubnyk is our number one only because our number two is Habby. The off season should be spent upgrading our team at every position, otherwise what is the point. Bringing Luongo does that two fold. He is a huge upgrade over Habby (who currently holds a larger contract than Dubnyk by the way), and he can help both push and mentor Dubnyk to become the type of goal tender we all know he can be.

Don't get me wrong, I het the Canucks, I am glad they are out of the playoffs, but if you think having Luongo doesn't make our team instantly better, you do not watch hockey.

Both of their strong assets have nothing to do with a skill and atheltic ability, more so to do with bestowment of height, and the help of padding on it. If they were not so tall: how good of goalies would they be? Do you believe they would be #1 on any team?

If Dubnyk's weakness(as you are suggesting) is taking away angles-then it would only take a good coach and drills to help him get that going, and time of course. I don't see what Loungo has to offer him.

Are you suggesting that Dubnyk is not a #1 goalie? Only by default?

I didn't say Loungo wouldn't make the team better, and I do watch hockey.

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#54 Romulus' Apotheosis
May 08 2013, 02:08PM
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Eddie Edmonton wrote:

I didn't suggest any of the things you are suggesting I suggested.

1. Sure, competition is healthy. But, it is not always necesarry, especially in the case of the Oilers and Dubnyk in the next year. I believe that with a better D-core and better bottom 6, Dubnyk will be a better goalie next year. Looking at his #s, he could be a top 10 goaltender.

2&3 are concern for every player and every team. What would happen if Dubnyk goes down, then, his jobjacker comes in and gets injuried too: you suggesting the Oilers need to go get a solid 3rd/AHL goalie that will be able to go #1 when the times calls for it?

I'm not saying the OIlers don't need a back-up, and someone a lot better than Khabi, all I'm saying is they don't need a back-up(trade for one) that will be in the position to steal Dubnyk's job. I don't see nothing to available in the FA pool, and no team is going to trade you anything that will challenge Dubnyk without a price. Oilers could use their assets to improve in other areas of concern.

Sure you did.

You repeated it in this post. You don't think the Oilers need someone to "challenge Dubnyk." You don't think competition is "necessary"

I think it is. I think it is necessary at all positions, especially at one as important as goalie.

FWIW I also think Dubnyk will be better next year and think he was great this year. big fan. Doesn't mean I don't challenge him and insure against either a collapse in performance or injury.

The other examples (2 and 3) were elaborations using examples. that is all.

Simple point: yes you need to have a quality back up; no Nik is not one; yes a good 3rd goalie is smart management

By the way... I define a quality back-up capable of pushing DD as either a cheap journeyman who's had success in the past and isn't ancient (from the Labarbera family) and/or a Euro that has gone undervalued by NHL scouts (from the Fasth family) and/or a prospect on the up swing (from the Bishop family).

I'm not talking about bringing in Rinne, or Luongo.

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#55 Will
May 08 2013, 02:17PM
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@Eddie Edmonton

Hmmm, you might have misread that a little. I'm saying he is a goalie that takes away angles, that is his strength and style of play, which is similar to Luongo. Also similar to Luongo, his weakness is his athletic ability. He's not an acrobatic goalie.

Obviously their height gives them an advantage, I think I make that quite clear. And no, if they were smaller playing the same way, they would not be number ones.

I don't think Dubnyk, has shown he is a legit number one, simply by the fact he has never had a season where he played over 50 games. He hasn't had that yet, and like Schnidier this year, stepping into a role with more games, might not be the easiest transition. Having said that I think he played great this year, but it wasn't a full year. Currently, Dubnyk is definitely our number one by default, but also because management thinks he can be that guy, and so do I. But if say Bishop was here, I don't think his number one status would be so solidified. Not so much a knock on Dubnyk as insight into how bad I think Habby is.

Basically, because Luongo is a more consistent, and veteran goalie that plays a very similar game and style to Dubnyk, I think having him here will both help Dubnyk become more consistent and eliminate his one weak goal a game, as well as provide us with a huge upgrade on our back up situation, and an insurance policy in case of injury.

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#56 Eulers
May 08 2013, 02:24PM
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Jonathan,

You are clearly leaving out the most important consideration: how many more years does Khabibulin feel like he can play??

Thank God Tambi is gone.

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#57 DSF
May 08 2013, 02:37PM
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Big news out of Vancouver.

They're holding a news conference tomorrow morning and it's expected AV will be fired.

I expect you may see AV end up as the new coach in Dallas while Vancouver will hire Dave Tippet.

Look for some significant personnel moves on the ice too.

Being speculated that Edler will be dangled for a first round pick.

It's gong to be a very interesting couple of months.

Edler to Edmonton?

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#58 John Chambers
May 08 2013, 02:56PM
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@DSF

Yep - the Canucks made a formidable run for it and came a game short. Now they have to tear it down.

They have a few options - they could move the oft-injured Kesler and sign a guy like Weiss as their 2nd line C, while moving out guys like Raymond, Burrows, etc who have value, as well as Schneider ...

Or they could trade from their position of strength, which is on D.

I would wager they make a deal with the Flyers (who desperately need D).

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#59 106 and 106
May 08 2013, 03:00PM
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Sorry ON, I just trolled on Canucksarmy - I was pissed off that nobody is commenting on their posts. Sad, really - that the team has no heart and the fans don't really show it either.

Maybe I have too much time on my hands tonight (speaking of which, where is DSF?)

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#60 Will
May 08 2013, 03:00PM
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DSF wrote:

Big news out of Vancouver.

They're holding a news conference tomorrow morning and it's expected AV will be fired.

I expect you may see AV end up as the new coach in Dallas while Vancouver will hire Dave Tippet.

Look for some significant personnel moves on the ice too.

Being speculated that Edler will be dangled for a first round pick.

It's gong to be a very interesting couple of months.

Edler to Edmonton?

I would make that deal assuming he still has some time left on his contract. Losing out on either a big centre who won't be ready for at least another year, or a gritty defender who might never be ready depending on development, is worth it if acquiring a top two defender, which I believe Edler is.

Do you think there's a deal to be made for swapping picks, and if so who?

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#61 Eddie Shore
May 08 2013, 03:01PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Yep - the Canucks made a formidable run for it and came a game short. Now they have to tear it down.

They have a few options - they could move the oft-injured Kesler and sign a guy like Weiss as their 2nd line C, while moving out guys like Raymond, Burrows, etc who have value, as well as Schneider ...

Or they could trade from their position of strength, which is on D.

I would wager they make a deal with the Flyers (who desperately need D).

Every trade they make is from a position of weakness. They HAVE to move some guys out. They have only 17 players signed and are $100K over the cap already (next year).

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#62 DSF
May 08 2013, 03:01PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Yep - the Canucks made a formidable run for it and came a game short. Now they have to tear it down.

They have a few options - they could move the oft-injured Kesler and sign a guy like Weiss as their 2nd line C, while moving out guys like Raymond, Burrows, etc who have value, as well as Schneider ...

Or they could trade from their position of strength, which is on D.

I would wager they make a deal with the Flyers (who desperately need D).

I think you may have nailed it.

LeBrun talking this morning about Edler and Schneider to Philly for Philly's first round pick and Brayden Schenn or Jakub Voracek.

Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Weiss is injured even more than Kesler so I don't think that makes sense.

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#63 DSF
May 08 2013, 03:06PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Every trade they make is from a position of weakness. They HAVE to move some guys out. They have only 17 players signed and are $100K over the cap already (next year).

That's nonsense.

They have a large number of tradeable assets.

They'll likely buy out Ballard and Booth giving them a lot of cap flexibility and, if Luongo is traded, they have even more.

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#64 John Chambers
May 08 2013, 03:07PM
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@DSF

That Schneider + Edler for a 1st rounder + Schenn deal could have them back being competitive immediately and with good young players in the mix.

More than a Dman, the Oilers could profit from hiring AV.

Could you imagine if the Oil obtained some quality depth players and a pair of solid mobile D, and built their game around giving 4-93-14 65%+ Ozone starts?

AV could make them a playoff team.

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#65 DSF
May 08 2013, 03:11PM
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John Chambers wrote:

That Schneider + Edler for a 1st rounder + Schenn deal could have them back being competitive immediately and with good young players in the mix.

More than a Dman, the Oilers could profit from hiring AV.

Could you imagine if the Oil obtained some quality depth players and a pair of solid mobile D, and built their game around giving 4-93-14 65%+ Ozone starts?

AV could make them a playoff team.

I expect you're right with one proviso...AV has very little patience with mistakes made by young players.

Of course that might be a blessing.

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#66 Spaceman Spiff
May 08 2013, 03:11PM
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Actually, here’s the question in inverse: All things being equal, why would Khabby even consider re-signing with the Oilers?

By “all things being equal,” what I mean is this: If, on July 1, he had a similar offer on the table from a team in a non-fishbowl market like, say, Florida or Carolina or Dallas (to throw some random names out there), is there any conceivable reason why he should even consider re-upping in Edmonton?

Khabby has generally been a professional during his time here (save for that unfortunate impaired driving incident) ... but, as noted, he hasn’t played consistently enough to really enjoy the support of the fans. The Oilers are in that “tween” stage where they’re still young enough to be considered as “having potential to be great” but far enough away from “being great” that Khabby will likely be retired if/when it happens.

Khabby’s 40 years old, with a wife and kids. He has his Stanley Cup ring. He's made a nice career for himself - he was practically a folk hero in Winnipeg and that was before he even won a Cup.

So, unless he’s got this drive to sign with a contender next year, I don’t see why, if the opportunity is available (a big “if”), he doesn’t just bolt for the sunnier climes of a non-traditional hockey market. Earn some big money, retire at 42 and move on with life.

I think MacT will be shopping for a new goalie on July 1st.

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#67 John Chambers
May 08 2013, 03:12PM
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@DSF

Well, he wouldn't have a choice now would he.

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#68 DSF
May 08 2013, 03:12PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

I never said they didn't have assets. I said they are in a position of weakness because everyone and their dog knows that they have to trade some players.

You said "every trade they make is from a "position of weakness".

That is patently untrue.

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#69 Eddie Shore
May 08 2013, 03:15PM
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DSF wrote:

You said "every trade they make is from a "position of weakness".

That is patently untrue.

Patently untrue? Ok. Care to expand on this? Or is it so because you say it is?

Also, they need to resign Schroeder and Tanev so I'm not so sure how they will achieve this "cap flexibility" by buying out two players that will save them only $5M. Resigning the two players I mentioned will spend at least $3.5M of the money they saved via the buyouts.

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#70 106 and 106
May 08 2013, 03:15PM
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@Spaceman Spiff

Since 1989, Nikolai has earned: $53,856,518 playing professional hockey.

"Earn some big money" probably isn't high on his list of things he needs to do anymore.

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#71 DSF
May 08 2013, 03:22PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Patently untrue? Ok. Care to expand on this? Or is it so because you say it is?

Also, they need to resign Schroeder and Tanev so I'm not so sure how they will achieve this "cap flexibility" by buying out two players that will save them only $5M. Resigning the two players I mentioned will spend at least $3.5M of the money they saved via the buyouts.

Is it true because YOU say it is or is there some objective reality.

I would think your opinion may be coloured by your problems with math.

Ballard makes $4.2M and Booth makes $4.25M.

That's a total of $8.45M and moving Luongo ($5.3M) would give then a total of $13.75M.

I think they could sign Tanev and Schroeder pretty easily with that kind of room, don't you?

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#72 Sid
May 08 2013, 03:30PM
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DSF wrote:

Big news out of Vancouver.

They're holding a news conference tomorrow morning and it's expected AV will be fired.

I expect you may see AV end up as the new coach in Dallas while Vancouver will hire Dave Tippet.

Look for some significant personnel moves on the ice too.

Being speculated that Edler will be dangled for a first round pick.

It's gong to be a very interesting couple of months.

Edler to Edmonton?

AV or Tippett would make good coaches in Edmonton either one.

Have you seen Corey Pronman's top 5 rankings 2013 Draft

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1521

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#73 Eddie Shore
May 08 2013, 03:30PM
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DSF wrote:

Is it true because YOU say it is or is there some objective reality.

I would think your opinion may be coloured by your problems with math.

Ballard makes $4.2M and Booth makes $4.25M.

That's a total of $8.45M and moving Luongo ($5.3M) would give then a total of $13.75M.

I think they could sign Tanev and Schroeder pretty easily with that kind of room, don't you?

Ballards buyout cap hit would be $1.4 until the end of the 2017 season. Booths buyout cap hit will be roughly $1.3M, $1.0, $1.5M, $1.5. They do not save $8.45 but more like $6.04M-$5.5M. Tanev and Schroeder may eat up at least $3.5M of this.

How are you so positive they will magically be able to move Lou without retaining any salary?

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#74 DSF
May 08 2013, 03:37PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Ballards buyout cap hit would be $1.4 until the end of the 2017 season. Booths buyout cap hit will be roughly $1.3M, $1.0, $1.5M, $1.5. They do not save $8.45 but more like $6.04M-$5.5M. Tanev and Schroeder may eat up at least $3.5M of this.

How are you so positive they will magically be able to move Lou without retaining any salary?

You really need to brush up on the facts before posting.

The Canucks have TWO compliance buyout available to them which means there are ZERO cap implications going forward.

As for Luongo,I think it's more likely that they move Schneider and his $4M cap hit.

In any event, they'll have lots of cap flexibility no mater how long or hard you try and insist they won't.

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#75 Sd
May 08 2013, 03:39PM
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No thanks to Edler, the guy was playing on a very good team in the last 3 yrs, Vancouver probably had the best top 6 d- men in the league. He would be a bust in Edmonton.

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#76 Sd
May 08 2013, 03:42PM
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DSF wrote:

You really need to brush up on the facts before posting.

The Canucks have TWO compliance buyout available to them which means there are ZERO cap implications going forward.

As for Luongo,I think it's more likely that they move Schneider and his $4M cap hit.

In any event, they'll have lots of cap flexibility no mater how long or hard you try and insist they won't.

They will move Lou not Corey, Lou is getting Old how many Goalies are productive at his age and beyond?

Answer not many. That is why it is so hard to trade him and that salary.

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#77 Eddie Shore
May 08 2013, 03:44PM
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DSF wrote:

You really need to brush up on the facts before posting.

The Canucks have TWO compliance buyout available to them which means there are ZERO cap implications going forward.

As for Luongo,I think it's more likely that they move Schneider and his $4M cap hit.

In any event, they'll have lots of cap flexibility no mater how long or hard you try and insist they won't.

My mistake, thanks for so eloquently pointing it out.

Not sure how Lou can possibly stay there after the circus there this year.

As for your article Jonathan, no way in hell they should resign him.

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#78 TigerUnderGlass
May 08 2013, 03:58PM
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Voracek with the Sedins could really be something special.

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#79 Rama Lama
May 08 2013, 03:59PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Next year is a big year for the Oil. They must make the playoffs. If DD gets hurt, they need somebody that can play a string a games together and win more than they lose.

Khabby has some nice numbers this past year and has a good relationship with DD. But I don't feel confident that he can play 5 or 6 games in a row well, if it ever came to that.

DD is not a playoff type of goalie.........yes he does make his share of saves, but he lets goals in at all the wrong time too.

He should be considered a back up or at best a goalie that can play half the games, or a dual goalie situation, at least until he gets consistent.

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#80 The Beaker
May 08 2013, 04:45PM
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@Kosmo Kramer

Gillis should be going way before AV... but thats not how the hockey world works.

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#81 Romulus' Apotheosis
May 08 2013, 04:51PM
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This whole insurgence to fire someone in VAN is ridiculous.

That is an extraordinarily successful team over the past several years.

Beyond emotional catharsis... I'm not sure what would be achieved by any dramatic changes.

Trade Lu, dump some bad bets and pick up a few more pieces. That core is still magic.

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#82 Sd
May 08 2013, 04:52PM
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AV to Edmonton.

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#83 Fred
May 08 2013, 04:57PM
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Vancouver is going through a cycle most teams go through. They had a window of 3 yrs to win the Cup and now they are an above average team that will make the playoffs next year. I don't know what all the panic is for, Sedins are getting older perhaps no longer a #1 line. They have work to do to become a Stanley Cup contender but this is normal for teams. There core is not young which is the biggest problem for them

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#84 Dog Train
May 08 2013, 05:09PM
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@Rama Lama

How can you say he's not a playoff type goalie when he's never played a single NHL playoff game?

Amen Willis. It was a mistake to sign him four years ago and it would be a mistake to re-sign him now. DD has earned the #1 spot but I think that he still needs somebody to push him and potentially play well if Dubnyk falters or gets hurt.

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#85 Eddie Edmonton
May 08 2013, 05:17PM
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@Rama Lama

When is a right time to let in a goal? When your team is up by 3, 4? How many goalies in the NHL have the luxury of the right time to let in a goal?

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#86 John Chambers
May 08 2013, 05:27PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

This whole insurgence to fire someone in VAN is ridiculous.

That is an extraordinarily successful team over the past several years.

Beyond emotional catharsis... I'm not sure what would be achieved by any dramatic changes.

Trade Lu, dump some bad bets and pick up a few more pieces. That core is still magic.

I agree about the coach - they won't find a better one.

They do need to make a big move though to give themselves a new look and free up dollars to add another impact player up front.

Van is the only team who can boast 4 legitimate top-pairing D. Not tomention two All-Star goalies. If they can get some quality young assets in return and then have $ to go after a high-end buyout candidate or UFA (eg Horton, Briere, or Heatley), they could easily finish at the top of their conference and keep the window open another 3 years.

Big summer for Gillis though, and big changes do need to be made.

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#87 TigerUnderGlass
May 08 2013, 05:31PM
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Sorry Willis, I didn't read this article because the answer to your titular question is "no".

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#88 Smokey
May 08 2013, 05:56PM
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John Chambers wrote:

I agree about the coach - they won't find a better one.

They do need to make a big move though to give themselves a new look and free up dollars to add another impact player up front.

Van is the only team who can boast 4 legitimate top-pairing D. Not tomention two All-Star goalies. If they can get some quality young assets in return and then have $ to go after a high-end buyout candidate or UFA (eg Horton, Briere, or Heatley), they could easily finish at the top of their conference and keep the window open another 3 years.

Big summer for Gillis though, and big changes do need to be made.

Maybe four overpaid D. Bieksa and Garrison are 3-4's. Hamhuis and the Swede I concede. Neither Schneider or Luongo are all star goalies.

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#89 Romulus' Apotheosis
May 08 2013, 06:05PM
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John Chambers wrote:

I agree about the coach - they won't find a better one.

They do need to make a big move though to give themselves a new look and free up dollars to add another impact player up front.

Van is the only team who can boast 4 legitimate top-pairing D. Not tomention two All-Star goalies. If they can get some quality young assets in return and then have $ to go after a high-end buyout candidate or UFA (eg Horton, Briere, or Heatley), they could easily finish at the top of their conference and keep the window open another 3 years.

Big summer for Gillis though, and big changes do need to be made.

I guess we'd differ on what big moves mean...

I guess I'm pushing back on the blow things up idea (whether that means coach and/or manager and/or players)

One of the goalies is gone, some bad bets are gone (Ballard, maybe Booth, maybe Roy) and maybe one or two large pieces (Edler?)

If that all happens... I wouldn't call that a major change. That leaves a huge core of the team intact.

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#90 Romulus' Apotheosis
May 08 2013, 06:07PM
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Smokey wrote:

Maybe four overpaid D. Bieksa and Garrison are 3-4's. Hamhuis and the Swede I concede. Neither Schneider or Luongo are all star goalies.

I don't know if they are all 1s and 2s if we mean players of the Pronger variety.

But those 4 are all really, really solid D. And Tanev is a real gem.

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#91 geno
May 08 2013, 07:10PM
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I'd try to see if BOS would trade one of Svedberg or Khudobin's rights. Don't know if they have many better options than that. Maybe trade for one of Hiller/Fasth/Frederik Andersen out of ANA. Likely a steep price tag on those ones though.

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#92 DSF
May 08 2013, 07:29PM
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@Smokey

None of their defensemen are overpaid.

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#93 DSF
May 08 2013, 07:33PM
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oliveoilers wrote:

Err, excuse me? Vancouver is a successful team? They set themselves the benchmark for success as nothing less than the Stanley cup. By their own admission they are not a successful team. Enjoy your president's choice trophies.

Yes.

Expectations are much higher in Vancouver.

Winning the division and getting scorched in the first round is not a viable option.

That's why they'll make changes.

Expectations are different in Edmonton, where finishing 24th is some kind of a badge of honour.

It's quite sad, actually.

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#94 DSF
May 08 2013, 07:37PM
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The Canucks have 3 players the Oilers should be interested in.

Mason Raymond is UFA. Kills penalties and would be an interesting 3rd line addition.

Derek Roy is a very good 2nd line centre who would be an upgrade on Gagner and could likely be signed for less than Sammy Snowpants.

Alex Edler is still a young developing defenseman who would immediately be a better option that Petry on the top pairing.

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#95 DSF
May 08 2013, 07:59PM
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Cheap Shot Charlie wrote:

AH haha!!! You always say the darnest things!!!

It's like the less sense you make the funnier it gets! Like a little kid debating that they are smarter than scientists because he knows his H2O is water! You are hillarious!!! Keep up the good work!

I love you, man! *HUG*

Deep.

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#96 DSF
May 08 2013, 08:08PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Elder would be good.

Keep Roy as far from here as possible. An absolute dressing room cancer. There is a reason this guy is always available. Not close to Gagner, IMO. Has as much edge as a wet Kleenex. Even you know that DSF. I assume this is your shiny hook in the water. Lets move on.

Raymond - meh. I realize he would be an upgrade to a few guys but the Oilers need more grit from those positions. Plus dude is a M*A*S*H unit. We will take Edler. Keep the rest of the crap. This squad played exactly four more games this season than the Oil.

Roy is a "dressing room cancer"?

Source?

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#97 The Soup Fascist
May 08 2013, 08:16PM
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DSF wrote:

Roy is a "dressing room cancer"?

Source?

Ex-Sabre who shall remain nameless. I realize that does not hold much weight but it would not be fair of me to say his name. In hindsight it was bad form for me to say it if I won't reveal who I heard it from.

Doesn't change my view but I should not have put that out there.

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#98 DSF
May 08 2013, 08:25PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Ex-Sabre who shall remain nameless. I realize that does not hold much weight but it would not be fair of me to say his name. In hindsight it was bad form for me to say it if I won't reveal who I heard it from.

Doesn't change my view but I should not have put that out there.

Gagner is also a "cancer".

He's always thought he should be gifted first line and first line PP minutes.

My source is his GM in junior who thinks the young man has a lot of growing up to do.

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#99 The Soup Fascist
May 08 2013, 08:36PM
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Right.

And my Dad can beat up your Dad.

Gagner hasn't played Junior for 6 years. Look, believe the Roy stuff or not but to counter with "Gagner is a cancer" reeks of childishness.

Sad, actually.

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#100 DSF
May 08 2013, 08:55PM
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Spydyr wrote:

The best part for me with the Canucks getting swept .Listening to one of the sisters whine about penalty calls.You got swept 4 straight the problem was in the mirror not with the ref.Classic, I howled listening to him.

That is why they never finish and win the Cup.It is always the fault of someone else.If only Tim Thomas had pumped Lou's tires

The sad thing is, despite all their troubles, the Canucks are a vastly superior team compared to the Oilers.

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