OILERS NEED MANY CHANGES TO COMPETE

Jason Gregor
May 09 2013 12:53PM

As usual the first round of the NHL playoffs has been great. The intensity, speed, passion and excitement reaches a new level and it is great to watch. However, it also illustrates how far away the Oilers are from being a serious contender. This team isn't just one or two pieces away.

Craig MacTavish and his staff will be hard-pressed just to make them good enough to stay in the playoff race next season.

When MacTavish took over as GM he didn't mince his words. He knows what has to be done, but will they be able to do accomplish what needs to happen?

The Oilers have to get bigger and stronger. If you believe size is over-rated you might want to watch the playoffs a little closer. Of course you need skill, but the size of the Ducks, Sharks, Kings is a main reason they are leading or winning their series.

And their size doesn't consist of players 23 and under. When MacTavish stated he'd have to make some "Bold" moves, he was right, however, the only bold trades the Oilers could make is moving one of Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Nail Yakupov or Justin Schultz. I don't see how trading any other player would be considered bold. I sense that Oiler fans would love to see some trades, but none that involve the five aforementioned players.

Is moving Ales Hemsky, Sam Gagner, Magnus Paajarvi, Shawn Horcoff, Jeff Petry, Ladislav Smid or Nick Schultz truly bold? I don't think so.

MacTavish's other option for "Bold" move could involved trading the #7 pick. Carolina and Columbus have traded the #8 pick the past two drafts, so I think it is very likely the "Bold" route the Oilers could go.

The Jackets acquired Jeff Carter, while the Hurricanes nabbed Jordan Staal. In both cases they had to surrender another young player in the deal. The Jackets gave up Jakub Voracek, while the Canes moved Brendan Sutter.

The only players who are comparable on the Oilers would be Gagner and Paajarvi. Paajarvi is a completely different type of player than Sutter, but you see the connection.

If the Oilers move Gagner or Paajarvi and the #7 who could they receive in a deal?

Paajarvi and the #7 would be more appealing to a team that wants to get younger, and save some salary. Paajarvi is a pending RFA and he likely won't get more than $1.5 million on a new deal. Gagner is the more established player, but after a solid 38-point campaign he'll get at least $4 million on new deal, and maybe more.

No one saw the Jeff Carter trade coming two years ago, so clearly any trade is possible, so let's look a few scenarios.

WOULD YOU MAKE THIS DEAL?

The Vancouver Canucks are already at the cap for next season with only 15 players signed. Mike Gillis, if he doesn't get fired, will need to shed salary and get younger.

Would he trade Paajarvi and the #7 for Ryan Kesler?

He has to move one of his goalies, and as I said last summer, trading Cory Schneider would be his best move if he wants improve his team. He could move Schneider for a centre and then add Paajarvi and #7. That would give the Canucks some needed speed and youth.

Kesler is exactly the type of 2nd line centre the Oilers need, and his $5 million cap hit isn't an anchor.

Bobby Ryan for Paajarvi and the #7?

The Ducks have $16.8 million tied up in Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf next year. They only have about $4.5 million in cap space. They could stick with Ryan and hope the Cap jumps up in two years when he becomes a UFA, but they might consider two young pieces. Ryan is a winger, and the Oilers need help down the middle, but he's a big, skilled winger and after Hall the Oilers have no size in their top-nine.

Wayne Simmonds for Paajarvi and #7?

The Oilers might want something else as well, but the Flyers need to shed cap space. Simmonds is a $3.9 cap hit for the next six seasons, so the Oilers would have the security of having him for at least six years. Keep in mind Carter had a long contract, while Staal was an RFA and the Canes knew he'd sign long-term to play with his brother.

SOME MORE SPITBALLING....

If the Oilers are looking for a few quick fixes, I'd look at these names.

  • The Penguins will need to shed some salary and I could see them dumping Paul Martin, especially if they want to re-sign Jarome Iginla. He has two years left at $5 million, and he's an experienced puck mover, something the Oilers desperately need.
     
  • Brooks Laich only played nine games due to injury this year, but in his last five seasons he's only missed a total of 4 games. He's 29 and the Caps don't have much cap space. I'd call George McPhee to see if it is possible.
     
  • I know some of the advanced stats guys don't like Jack Johnson, which is fair, but he has improved. He isn't great defensively, but he's physical and he can play 25 minutes. He was 5th in the NHL in TOI, and the Blue Jackets need some offence. Scott Howson knows him well, so I'd at least look into it.

QUICK HITS

  • I know Dion Phaneuf made a bad pinch, but David Krejci's game winner went right through James Reimer. Reimer needed to make that save. In OT the Leafs had some great chances but Tukka Rask stoned them, while Reimer let the game winner go right through him. Phaneuf deserves some blame for his ill-advised pinch, but Reimer's job is to make a key save and it wasn't like that was a perfect shot from Krejci.
     
  • I doubt many picked the Islanders to defeat the Penguins, I didn't, but now that the series is close I'm hoping for the upset. I love the major upsets, and this would be one.
     
  • I highly recommend you get your tickets for our King/Queen Karaoke contest next Friday night at On the Rocks. We are about 50% sold. It will be awesome. We have some excellent Karaoke people lined up. On Tuesday at the Oil Kings game Jason Strudwick and Yukon Jack did a sneak peak performance.
     
  • Check out Strudwick's dance moves 2:30 into the video, Epic. Yukon really impressed with his ability to hit the high notes. Excellent work fellas. After you watch Struds there is no way you won't want to see the finale next Friday. There will be a few more beers involved on that night...You can buy your tickets here. They are $25, but you get $50 in GCs from Oodle Noodle and On The Rocks when you show up, so you make money and support The MS Society.

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#101 DSF
May 09 2013, 08:02PM
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Funny how he seemed fine at the beginning of the season. Fatigue? Likely.

Yeah, every team in the league needs a players who can't hack an 82 game schedule.

Or maybe it was the possibility that the other teams in the league figured him out.

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#102 geno
May 09 2013, 08:03PM
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DSF wrote:

Dubnyk was right around average.

Did he steal any games for the team?

Not that I can recall.

Unless you're an above average offensive team (the Oilers are below average), that doesn't cut it.

So if Dubnyk was 0.008 above the average, he's around the average. I guess that means that because Schneider was 0.007 above Dubnyk, Dubnyk was around Schneider.

I like that logic!

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#103 Cheap Shot Charlie
May 09 2013, 08:03PM
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@DSF

Another night of hilarity!!! You are like Seinfeld; you find the humor in all the little things while ignoring the rest of life! Classic!!! I missed this since last night!

I love you, man! *HUG*

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#104 geno
May 09 2013, 08:04PM
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DSF wrote:

Yeah, every team in the league needs a players who can't hack an 82 game schedule.

Or maybe it was the possibility that the other teams in the league figured him out.

when you're fresh out of college and used to playing 40 games a year, it's acceptable to be worn out playing 82 games in your first NHL/AHL season

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#105 flyfish1168
May 09 2013, 08:05PM
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Reply #73 Jason Gregor May 09 2013, 06:09PM

I totally agree. But when you look at some of the best retreads that have performed well Mactavish, Jason Smith, Raffi Torres, Dave Hunter, Dave Lumley and Kevin McClelland to name a few. These are players that need a little more seasoning in the minors and their draft team has invested all the time and have given up on them. These players came cheap

I hate to repeat a Brodzaik or a Satan situation with Magnus.

Players with good attitude and willingness to learn a new skill for the better of the team are hard to fine.

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#106 geno
May 09 2013, 08:05PM
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DSF wrote:

Dubnyk was right around average.

Did he steal any games for the team?

Not that I can recall.

Unless you're an above average offensive team (the Oilers are below average), that doesn't cut it.

Dubey reaally sucked in that Columbus game where EDM got outshot 40-15 and won 3-1. Maybe you don't recall because you don't watch oiler games.

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#107 DSF
May 09 2013, 08:07PM
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geno wrote:

Dubey reaally sucked in that Columbus game where EDM got outshot 40-15 and won 3-1. Maybe you don't recall because you don't watch oiler games.

I watched every Oiler game this season.

Is that all you've got?

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#108 DSF
May 09 2013, 08:08PM
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geno wrote:

when you're fresh out of college and used to playing 40 games a year, it's acceptable to be worn out playing 82 games in your first NHL/AHL season

Tell that to Erik Karlsson.

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#109 DSF
May 09 2013, 08:09PM
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geno wrote:

So if Dubnyk was 0.008 above the average, he's around the average. I guess that means that because Schneider was 0.007 above Dubnyk, Dubnyk was around Schneider.

I like that logic!

What?

Dubnyk ain't much.

Deal with it.

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#110 Darrell
May 09 2013, 08:09PM
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DSF wrote:

Time to disavow the notion that Anaheim and/or Vancouver will be trading within their new division.

If Bobby Ryan is moving, he'll end up in Toronto.

Neither Bieksa or Kesler would waive their NTCs to go to to Edmonton.

Vancouver swept and Minny on the verge of being done in 5 and you have the balls to knock the OILERS .....

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#111 Todd
May 09 2013, 08:11PM
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@DSF

You need a hug... You must be so sad seeing your beloved Canucks embarrassed and Wild quickly following them out the door. HUGS

PS maybe the Canucks can hire Dale Talon??

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#112 geno
May 09 2013, 08:12PM
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DSF wrote:

League average goaltending won't get you into the playoffs unless you have an above average offensive team.

The Oilers were 18th in G/G and 19th in GA/G.

Should I remind you that you have to be in the top 16 to make the playoffs?

You really need to get a grasp on what is actually happening before you resort to name calling.

that's weird because Backstrom had a .909 and MIN averaged less GF/G than EDM.

Dubey was 12th in SV% for starting goalies on a team with one of the weakest D cores in the league.

Tell me again how Dubey is the problem.

Is it not fair to call you a troll? You don't come here to enjoy the material, you come here to piss people off.

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#113 Gaz
May 09 2013, 08:13PM
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@DSF

Karlsson and Schultz in the same breath? Wow, you must think pretty highly of them both!

Don't worry about Dubnyk and Pajaarvi. You'll be a happier person if you don't.

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#114 geno
May 09 2013, 08:14PM
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DSF wrote:

Tell that to Erik Karlsson.

the guy that was -30 the first time he played over 60 games?

Will do

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#115 geno
May 09 2013, 08:16PM
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DSF wrote:

What?

Dubnyk ain't much.

Deal with it.

The league average is .912. Dubey had a .920 and you say he's around average. By that logic, if .912 is around .920, then that must make Dubey's .920 around Schneider's .927

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#116 Cheap Shot Charlie
May 09 2013, 08:16PM
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DSF wrote:

I watched every Oiler game this season.

Is that all you've got?

Haha! Good point!!! Who would watch their favorite team...NO ONE!!! Great retort, DSF! Next give 'em the old "blah blah blah, book it line". That's a classic!

I love you, man! *HUG*

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#117 geno
May 09 2013, 08:20PM
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DSF wrote:

I watched every Oiler game this season.

Is that all you've got?

If you couldn't recall a game that Dubey stole then you obviously didn't.

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#118 Spydyr
May 09 2013, 08:32PM
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DSF wrote:

Yeah, every team in the league needs a players who can't hack an 82 game schedule.

Or maybe it was the possibility that the other teams in the league figured him out.

I'm pretty sure you "predicted" he would sign in Vancouver and got your panties all wet about it.

Typical DFS to now say he is now ,no good.

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#119 Jasmine
May 09 2013, 08:32PM
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@geno

DSF most likely doesn't watch any games and lies that he does.

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#120 Gaz
May 09 2013, 08:33PM
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@Cheap Shot Charlie

It's great that you've taken up the "give him a taste of his own medicine" thing, but it brings things to a screeching halt...and more people than just your target will tune out.

Let's all just remember this is a blog. No need to get uptight or angry that someone has a divergent opinion and livens up conversations.

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#121 Spydyr
May 09 2013, 08:35PM
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madjam wrote:

Up for adoption or trade : Unlikely to make a difference in parent club anytime soon . Petrell, Smithson, Peckham , Teubert , Fedun , Plante , Lander , Hartekainen , Eager , Hordichuk , Cheechoo , Martindale , Pitluck , OMark , Reddox ,etc... Can we not get at least a decent few upgrades on bottom six spots or higher by dealing them ?

This is a perfect example of how Oiler fans over value their players. What team in their right mind would want the flotsam and jetsam of a team that missed the playoffs for 6 years in a row.

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#122 DSF
May 09 2013, 08:37PM
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This is a perfect example of how Oiler fans over value their players. What team in their right mind would want the flotsam and jetsam of a team that missed the playoffs for 6 years in a row.

7.

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#123 Spydyr
May 09 2013, 08:39PM
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7.

7 no 30...the number of teams that wanted to sigh Shultz.Guess they are all stupid and you are the smart one.

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#124 Cheap Shot Charlie
May 09 2013, 08:43PM
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Gaz wrote:

It's great that you've taken up the "give him a taste of his own medicine" thing, but it brings things to a screeching halt...and more people than just your target will tune out.

Let's all just remember this is a blog. No need to get uptight or angry that someone has a divergent opinion and livens up conversations.

I'd agree that the topic comes to a screeching halt. It's actually brutal that someone like me has to come on a try a new tactic to get others not to respond to DSF. If the new opinion poster wasn't posting every other post I likely wouldn't say anything. The way to tell that a good article has been ruined is that someone can't get their point across in only one post and continues a topic over multiple articles.

I do have to appologize to the writers of the articles. But until ON is willing to moderate DSF's comments out, I'm going to keep playing. Sorry Gaz. No disrespect meant to the ON faithful.

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#125 geno
May 09 2013, 08:44PM
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Spydyr wrote:

This is a perfect example of how Oiler fans over value their players. What team in their right mind would want the flotsam and jetsam of a team that missed the playoffs for 6 years in a row.

yes, how unreasonable to hope that EDM could trade players/prospects like Omark, hartikainen, lander, and martindale for an improved 3rd &/or 4th line.

aye aye aye

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#126 Cheap Shot Charlie
May 09 2013, 08:45PM
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DSF wrote:

7.

It's so funny because it's true!!! Good one!

I love you, man!!! *HUG*

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#127 Racki
May 09 2013, 08:45PM
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I wouldn't make the trade with Vancouver, just because it's Vancouver. But I'd make the deal for Ryan, if that gets it done (I'm not so sure it would) or Simmonds. Both would be good pieces for this team.

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#128 geno
May 09 2013, 08:46PM
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DSF wrote:

7.

my favourite thing about DSF if when we prove his comments invalid, he just insults the oilers in a different way. Thought we were talking about Dubey.. I mean Schultz... I mean EDM's playoff drought.

pathetic

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#129 Spydyr
May 09 2013, 08:48PM
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yes, how unreasonable to hope that EDM could trade players/prospects like Omark, hartikainen, lander, and martindale for an improved 3rd &/or 4th line.

aye aye aye

Yes, because the Oilers pro scouting has done so well picking up players.

Have the pro scouts made the right decision on a player in the last decade?

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#130 DSF
May 09 2013, 09:01PM
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geno wrote:

my favourite thing about DSF if when we prove his comments invalid, he just insults the oilers in a different way. Thought we were talking about Dubey.. I mean Schultz... I mean EDM's playoff drought.

pathetic

How about all of the above?

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#131 geno
May 09 2013, 09:06PM
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Yes, because the Oilers pro scouting has done so well picking up players.

Have the pro scouts made the right decision on a player in the last decade?

Do fans of other teams not realize we hate EDM management and scouting too?

The guy that commented was wondering if it was too much to ask for an upgrade on the bottom 6 so you call all oiler fans dreamers.

Pro scouting has been awful. Stoll, Greene, Whitney, Brodziak, Cole were all terrible deals.

Can an oiler fan not dream of winning a deal?

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#132 Cheap Shot Charlie
May 09 2013, 09:09PM
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DSF wrote:

How about all of the above?

Haha! Another zinger! How do you do it!?! You are so funny you make me cry!

I love you, man! *HUG*

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#133 Johe
May 09 2013, 09:13PM
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Would it be too much to ask for DSF to be banned? Don't get me wrong, his posts provide good comedy, and I for one don't take them seriously, as obviously he doesn't intend them to be taken that way. But the comments section here is constantly deteriorating. Instead of providing good discussion, it always ends up as a totally inane and pointless argument. Can we all just move along? In DSF's case, permanently?

C'mon Wayne, make it happen! Wherever you are! Wait... Are you even alive?

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#134 Spydyr
May 09 2013, 09:13PM
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geno wrote:

Do fans of other teams not realize we hate EDM management and scouting too?

The guy that commented was wondering if it was too much to ask for an upgrade on the bottom 6 so you call all oiler fans dreamers.

Pro scouting has been awful. Stoll, Greene, Whitney, Brodziak, Cole were all terrible deals.

Can an oiler fan not dream of winning a deal?

I'm a huge Oiler fan and dream of more Cups but I'm also a realest.

Just stated you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.Especially if the seamstress is incompetent.

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#135 Aspin
May 09 2013, 09:58PM
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@Oilfred

Oilfred, not sure if you have been on Hockeysfuture lately or anything but it does not sound like the Oilers are going to sign Bigos. If he does not sign they may invite him to camp. He is 25 and a longshot......nowhere near the potential of Musil.

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#136 Aspin
May 09 2013, 10:03PM
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@Jason Gregor

Jason, yes Paarajvi is not in the fab 5 but they need bigger bodies in the top 6 and Paarajvi fits that bill and has the speed to keep up with the other kids. I think it would be a bad move to move one of the big bodies we have. As for giving up to get.....Gagner and Hemsky.

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#137 madjam
May 09 2013, 10:05PM
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Major changes for next year around new core of Hall . Eberle , Hopkins , Yakupov ,Paajarvi , J.Schultz , Smid and Dubnyk .

Likely additions defence : Alzner , Bogozian , Pysyk , Morris , Letang and T.Daley , Totalling $13.57 M .

Likely additions forwards and special teams : Wheeler , Couture , Franzen , Brouwer , Sobotka , B.Sutter ,Nystrom , J.Boll . Totalling approx.$ 20.50M .

Total cost for this makeover about $34M .

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#138 Aspin
May 09 2013, 10:06PM
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@DSF

DSF, which season were you watching? Paarajvi only played top six in the last number of games and that is when he started producing and Krueger saw that was what they need in the top 6.

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#139 GVBlackhawk
May 09 2013, 10:46PM
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geno wrote:

my favourite thing about DSF if when we prove his comments invalid, he just insults the oilers in a different way. Thought we were talking about Dubey.. I mean Schultz... I mean EDM's playoff drought.

pathetic

That's the senility kicking in. Right now, he's out yelling at some kids to get off his driveway.

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#140 Time Travelling Sean
May 10 2013, 01:19AM
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DSF can be fun to troll back to, but more and more this blog is becoming less and less entertaining to read after the author's thread.

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#141 NewfoundlandOil
May 10 2013, 05:29AM
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@Time Travelling Sean

Sean, totally agree. Although voluntary I just spent the last 10 mins reading a bunch of BS that had nothing to do with the narrative or hockey really.

Becoming more and more like HFBoards of Hockeybuzz around here.

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#142 Spurzey
May 10 2013, 06:37AM
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If there are more than 75 comments on any particular thread, I have no time to read them all. I usually just go to the last page. That is where everyone gangs up on DSF (rightfully so)and the thread comes to a screeching halt. I love it.

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#143 Romulus' Apotheosis
May 10 2013, 06:58AM
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Dubnyk is not a stiff.

Ragging on players to piss other people off has to be a dysfunction.

There are so many, many legitimate things horrible about the Oilers. Discuss those.

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#144 Spydyr
May 10 2013, 06:59AM
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madjam wrote:

Major changes for next year around new core of Hall . Eberle , Hopkins , Yakupov ,Paajarvi , J.Schultz , Smid and Dubnyk .

Likely additions defence : Alzner , Bogozian , Pysyk , Morris , Letang and T.Daley , Totalling $13.57 M .

Likely additions forwards and special teams : Wheeler , Couture , Franzen , Brouwer , Sobotka , B.Sutter ,Nystrom , J.Boll . Totalling approx.$ 20.50M .

Total cost for this makeover about $34M .

Go to bed you are drunk.

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#145 morgie99
May 10 2013, 07:41AM
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Jasmine wrote:

DSF most likely doesn't watch any games and lies that he does.

I suspect your exactly the same LOL

I'm surprised you actually said something new, rather than your repeat your mantra of nonsense

about oiler fans running players out of town, lowes a goat, he received death threats, it's slats fault, on and on

Good Job Jasmine, keep up the creativity it's refreshing LOL

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#146 Bloodsweatandoil
May 10 2013, 09:26AM
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Wow, Kesler here! I would like to see that, but his comments the day before the last game against Edmonton were a little insulting. He was asked if he will be dressed for that game and he replied that if he is going to Edmonton, it is not for a vacation.

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#147 Ryan2
May 10 2013, 10:25AM
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@ Bloodsweatandoil - re: Kesler, that is because if Mr. Glass is coming to Edmonton it is to visit the Glen Sather clinic to rehab yet another injury.

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#148 nunyour
May 10 2013, 12:17PM
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7th pick and eberle for seth jones.ufa's smith in net,and Clarkson on left wing.they get better in net and jones and klefbom on d should help,and you get bigger on the left side.

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#149 OilLeak
May 10 2013, 12:21PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Rumours are Yandle is available...Oilers could use him for sure.

Not sure they have enough to get Yandle in one deal, and then Ryan in another...if you plan on keeping the key five...

How would Yandle help the Oilers? He's being used as a 3rd pairing defenseman and PP specialist. Mind you Yandle is doing well in a 3rd pairing role, but the oilers need a defenseman that can take on the tough minutes, like OEL. Yandle rumors have been around for a while because he is overpaid for the role he plays on the Phoenix team. The Oilers don't have enough soft minutes to pass around and especially not at 5 million +.

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#150 John
May 10 2013, 01:27PM
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Cheap Shot Charlie wrote:

I'd agree that the topic comes to a screeching halt. It's actually brutal that someone like me has to come on a try a new tactic to get others not to respond to DSF. If the new opinion poster wasn't posting every other post I likely wouldn't say anything. The way to tell that a good article has been ruined is that someone can't get their point across in only one post and continues a topic over multiple articles.

I do have to appologize to the writers of the articles. But until ON is willing to moderate DSF's comments out, I'm going to keep playing. Sorry Gaz. No disrespect meant to the ON faithful.

ON does NOT need to moderate DSF's comments. While a vast majority of what he says is not agreed upon, he is merely stating his opinion. If we moderate DSF then I hope we moderate other people on here who make stupid comments as well. Maybe if people ignored him he might not post as often. If he did then I wouldn't be opposed to having him moderated. Sadly, no one will ever ignore him because you all want someone else to handle this so called 'problem' aka Oilersnation.

This comment isn't soley directed at you. I just wish people would realize it isn't up to Oilersnation to moderate this crap. If you think DSF is a hack or a troll just don't comment and he might go away.

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