UFA WISHLIST: BIDDING FOR GRIT

Robin Brownlee
May 09 2013 09:09PM

It goes without saying new GM Craig MacTavish has his work cut out this off-season in terms of changing up the roster if the Edmonton Oilers are going to be markedly better next season. That much we do know.

How he'll go about it, the means to that end, we don’t yet know, but it's safe to assume MacTavish will not only have to make some trades, bold and otherwise, in the kinds of scenarios Jason Gregor put forward today, he'll have to do an infinitely better job in the free agent market than Steve Tambellini did if he's going to add a useful veteran presence and more grit.

For me – speaking strictly about forwards in this installment – three names stand out, be it because of their age, price point or the ability to fill a need up front for the Oilers. It's Captain Obvious stuff, of course, because there's no doubt the vast majority of NHL general managers will also have these names circled when these players hit the UFA market.

Even allowing for that, I can’t think of one reason why MacTavish shouldn’t be pitching like crazy to land one of these guys – all of whom would bring a competitive edginess, experience and, perhaps most important, the ability to play in the top nine -- when UFA season opens.

BRYAN BICKELL

At six-foot-four, 233 pounds and just 27 years old, Bickell will have a line-up of teams looking to hand over a stack of money if he doesn’t re-sign with the Chicago Blackhawks.

The beauty of putting a call into Bickell and his agent is that, in relative terms, it won’t take a huge stack of dough to get him, and that's why the hulking right winger might be the first name on my list from this trio.

Bickell, who scored 9-14-23 with the Blackhawks this season and had a career-best 17-20-37 in 2010-11, has to be one of the better bargains in the NHL with a salary of just $600,000 this season. Yes, he'll command a big raise, but he won’t break the bank.

Bickell's been good enough since finding his way to the Windy City from the OHL to average 12:39 in ice time per game through six seasons on a loaded Chicago team. On Edmonton's roster as it stands now, he'd be a top-nine lock. Simply put, Bickell looks like an effective role player on the ascent, rather than a well-worn grinder winding down his career.

DAVID CLARKSON

I like Clarkson a lot, and for reasons that don’t jump out you just by looking at his numbers. At six-foot-one and 200 pounds, the 29-year-old New Jersey right winger isn't an imposing physical specimen. All he does is compete – on virtually every shift.

If you believe the Oilers have to get tougher to play against and need to up their nasty quotient several notches – who doesn't? – and that they must do so with players who can actually play top-nine minutes, Clarkson is your guy.

Like Bickell, Clarkson isn’t likely ever to be an offensive dynamo. He's certainly not without skill, having scored 15-9-24 this season and 30-16-46 in 2011-12, but his value if you actually watch him play is that "compete level" that seems lacking in Edmonton's line-up.

Clarkson, coming off a deal that pays him $3 million this season, will command a reasonable chunk of change as a UFA. He averaged 17:36 in ice time this season and more than 16 minutes a night two seasons ago. He can play, he can score some and he's tough as nails.

NATHAN HORTON

I've liked Horton since the Florida Panthers drafted him third overall in 2003 and nothing has changed, although I do have some concerns about his health (he played just 46 games in 2011-12) and his price tag as a UFA – he's coming off a contract paying him $5.5 million.

Allowing for those caveats, the six-foot-two, 229-pound Boston right winger has played more minutes on average per game, 17:22, than either Bickell or Clarkson through nine seasons with the Panthers and Bruins.

Horton, still only 27, has scored 20-or-more goals in six of his previous eight seasons and tallied 13-9-22 in 43 games this season. His high-water mark in terms of points was 20-37-57 in 2009-10. Horton's got more pedigree and skill than Bickell and Clarkson but he's just as nasty.

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#51 Evilas
May 10 2013, 12:30AM
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Hopefully Harski + Lander grow from their playioff experience and fill the 3rd/4th line role with PRV maybe? Good value contracts for these roles.

Add the 2 big bodies that can roll with the top 9, trade Gagner/Hemsky/Tuebert/Musil/Rajala/picks for 2 good D. Cherry pick a top goalie from Europe, its too bad they didn't pick up Fasth...

I like Brown, excellent work ethic and teammate, but as a hockey player he does not drive the play. The Oilers need players that can do that.

Goodbye Jones/Petrell/Smithson/Peckham and obviously Whitney...

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#52 madjam
May 10 2013, 06:01AM
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Going the UFA route for grit seems highly unlikely ! Why overpay a grit player - makes little sense . More opportunity and cheaper going the trade or draft route .

Ask yourselves why acquisitions ,specifically roll players with so called grit almost always underachieve here and become basically non factor players . Simple - those players are generally playing a roll on better teams with superior talent to ours . Anybody is going to look good playing with a Getzlaf and Perry . Penner , Eager and Hordichuk examples .

Lets not overpay on secondary grit players , avoid free agency unless it is a star that can perform well here .

I'd like Duchene @3.5M for one more year , but he'll command a hefty raise the following year , and he won't come cheaply . A lot of others would need a hefty raise from some contracts that are undervalued like a Subban for example . Go after good value contracts might be best - not under or over valued ones .

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#53 madjam
May 10 2013, 06:11AM
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Roll the cameras as we film the eight year soap opera Rebuilding The Blazing Cup Rings By Lowe and Associates.

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#54 DrunkGuyTy
May 10 2013, 06:31AM
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@Cheap Shot Charlie

I agree that having only one guy of the tougher variety is an issue. Brown looked exhausted at the end of the year. I'm sure his effectiveness would increase significantly if he also had a little back up support.

If we had a pest out there stirring things up and getting the other team off their game and it touched off a little brewhaha like Mtl vs Ott, we would have looked worse than Montreal did.

We still have no team toughness. Being the lone tough guy makes the hardest job in hockey even tougher.

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#55 madjam
May 10 2013, 06:36AM
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Dream on ? Next season all players are free agents with present values frozen . Then we will draft for all players from low to high , and second round high to low . After that you draw for draft position .Just like drafting teams with a budget . Fans of each team dictate which ones we choose beyond first two rounds . All in favor ?

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#56 vetinari
May 10 2013, 08:41AM
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Every player has his flaws but the key is to find the kind of guy that can be coached, is a good leader, can produce a little on the scoreboard, and can play the hard minutes when needed.

This batch of UFA's looks a little thin but management will need to take a run at one or two of them (my votes are on Bickell and Clarkson) and so long as MacT doesn't hand out NTC/NMC's to everyone (hello, Calgary) or ridiculous length contracts (hello, Philly and Toronto), if the players don't work out in a year or two, you can trade them or let them walk.

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#57 Rama Lama
May 10 2013, 08:50AM
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THe players mentioned are very intriguing...........I would be inclined to add into the Bold Move category a pitch for Subban of the Malcom variety.

It seems that he does not fit on the Habs and is likely in need of a scenery change. We have not had a heavy hitter on D since RK decided that Peckham was better to sit than hit.

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#58 Rama Lama
May 10 2013, 08:54AM
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Retraction to earlier message........meant to say PK Subban.

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#59 Dano
May 10 2013, 09:06AM
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I like the idea of adding one of these guys, but as a right winger doesn't that mean you play 3rd line after ebs and yak on the oilers. Might be a tough pitch for a GM

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#60 theoil
May 10 2013, 09:14AM
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Why do you guys even bother responding to the trolls like DSF (FSD or whatever the hell he wants to be called) and Jasmine... If we ignore, they'll just fade away into Internet oblivion... One hopes anyway

Horton would be a great pickup, yes he's had some issues but he's a big beast and having a decent playoff so far, maybe he's almost back to 100%..

All these scenarios are majorly hypothetical so before anyone gets all "why would team A do that??" I say dare to dream

Gagner, Rajala and Marincin for OEL and a mid level prospect or draft pick, any will do

Sign Tyler Bozak to replace Gags as second line center

Trade for Zack Smith out of Ottawa and stick him on the wing.. He's a guy who can play a little and can fight

Sign Boyd Gordon.. Good 4th line C who can win draws

Trade Hemsky to Washinhton for John Erskine and a prospect... Now this is gonna get some reaction.. Erskine is tough as nails and hits alot and would be a solid 5/6/7 guy and we get Hemmer out of the west, if he does well after the trade at least we don't have to see it all of the time

Sign Andrew Ference, solid guy who would be coming home to play..

Sign Khudobin to backup and push Dubnyk

So here are the lines

Hall Nuge Eberle Horton Bozak Yak Paajarvi Horcoff Hartikainen Smyth Gordon Smith

OEL Schultz Smid Petry Ference Erskine Potter

Dubnyk Khudobin

Too bad fantasy isn't reality

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#61 The Other Ron Burgundy
May 10 2013, 09:26AM
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Alex Steenberger wrote:

Nathan Horton 4 year - 16 Million will suffice!

Sammy Gags + HEMSKEY for Malcolm Subban

Malcolm will compete with Devan = 1A / 1B

THEO PECKHAM ... Move this banger to forward on the 4th line and let the magic happen!!!! This guy with Brownie will bang other teams up good!

Give Taylor the "C"

Maybe... Just Maybe.... Offer up 7th Overall pick + PAAJARVI for P.K. Subban

This will bring Stanley Home ladies and gentleman.

Most of the above is ridiculous, but the Peckham idea is interesting. If he's willing to sign for less money and accept that he's the 7/8 D-man and/or the 12/13 forward I don't hate the idea.

The top of my wishlist in the UFA market is Khudobin - same age as Dubie and will either push him to get better or push him out of the way. See Craig Anderson for what can happen when your goalie is able to steal multiple games a year.

Next up, assuming we are unable to trade for a top-pairing D, is an elder statesman to support Schultz. Jordan Leopold, Regehr (though that could be uncomfortable), Zidlicky or Lydman would all fit the bill to varying degrees - we need a guy in the Mark Methot role to anchor down our lesser version of Karlsson.

Sticking with the D - we got to get some Clitsome. A, his name is awesome. B, he's a good utility D who you would love in your 3rd pair, could play in your 2nd and can give you some powerplay upside - kind of like a rich man's Potter. Howson will be familiar with him from Columbus so if I had to bet on it I'd say this is a pretty realistic wish.

I also don't hate the idea of re-signing Fistric.

Up front I think the priority list should be Clowe first, since he's a LW, and again is another guy you could have anywhere in your top 9 depending on the situation. Clarke Macarthur is also intriguing, as is Stalberg. I like the guys in the article but with Eberle and Yak the cost would be too high for a 3rd liner (see Horcoff, Shawn, who I hope to god gets bought out). Exception to that - Bickell. Like him a lot and if you could get him and one of the LWs the top 9 starts looking real nice.

If I get my last wish and Horcoff is gone... actually its pretty slim pickings on the UFA side so maybe I retract my wish. I don't see Bozak, Weiss or Roy (the 3 most attractive UFAs other than Ribeiro) being all that attractive for what we need (though I'll admit I don't know much about Bozak). Might have to go the trade route here - if he can be got, get Ott!

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#62 Quicksilver ballet
May 10 2013, 09:28AM
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@theoil

Good effort, still looks butter soft throughtout though don't you think theoil?

...if we're hoping Horton is going to lay the smacketh down for the Oilers, that could be a recipe for disaster with his prior history.

A for effort though.

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#63 theoil
May 10 2013, 09:34AM
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@Quicksilver ballet

Looking back at it, I agree with that assessment.. Too bad I was really gung ho about all that

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#64 15w40
May 10 2013, 09:39AM
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I also am on board with trying Teddy Peckman as a banger on the 4th line.

Sign a one year deal for a low # and see what you get. As long as the coach and he can coexist.

If Ralph is just going to let him rot in the press box there is no point

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#65 Quicksilver ballet
May 10 2013, 09:44AM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Retraction to earlier message........meant to say PK Subban.

Think PK's act might be starting to be wearing thin in Montreal. His teammates didn't look at all impressed with his schtick when times got tough in this Senator series. Could be an opportunity there if the Habs don't want to have to deal with the distractions with a quick tempered player like PK. He's on a bargain contract and could easily be moved again if it didn't work out with a new team.

Paajarvi and Hemsky for PK. Feel that's a decent offer for a 2.875 million per yr Subban, even if he has a few warts. (watch Dicey go off on me now)

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#66 Tikkanese
May 10 2013, 09:52AM
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I would LOVE to have all three! Clarkson and Horton are both top 6 not top 9. They won't sign anywhere that they are not guaranteed top 6. They are both Right Wingers. I don't believe either of them can play LW. That means Ebs and/or Yak would have to move to LW(or one be traded... highly highly doubt it).

The Oilers' top 6 needs skilled beef on LW and/or Center. Zibanajed is a rare power center with some skill. Don't think he's quite 2nd line center ready yet but would love it if the Oil got him!

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#67 RMGS
May 10 2013, 09:52AM
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Man. There's sure alot of guys around here penciling in Hemsky for next year when he's the most likely guy to be gone.

You're likely right, but if the team acquires Bickell, Clarkson, or Horton, the odd man out on RW should be Brown, one of the worst players in the NHL.

Still, the more pressing depth problem on the wing is on the port side, not starboard. Past Hall, who can we count on? Paajarvi the apprentice? The aging Smyth, god love him? A pylon on the 4th line?

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#68 Tikkanese
May 10 2013, 09:59AM
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@RMGS

I have faith Smytty will be a lot better next year. He won't be forced to play out of position at center for half the year and hopefully he won't be stuck in the Belanger Triangle either.

Smytty's always been decent at taking draws but his game was never built to be a center.

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#69 RMGS
May 10 2013, 09:59AM
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RMGS wrote:

You're likely right, but if the team acquires Bickell, Clarkson, or Horton, the odd man out on RW should be Brown, one of the worst players in the NHL.

Still, the more pressing depth problem on the wing is on the port side, not starboard. Past Hall, who can we count on? Paajarvi the apprentice? The aging Smyth, god love him? A pylon on the 4th line?

Scratch that. Bickell plays LW, so problems solved!

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#70 Will
May 10 2013, 09:59AM
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I agree that instead of competing for these guys against every other team out there, why are we not going out and trying to find the next Bickle and sign him for .6 mill a year? This is where your pro scouting should be coming in.

As for Tambillini in free agency, well I kind of think he was also a little unlucky as well as unproductive. Everyone though Belangier and Eagre were going to be great pick ups. They weren't. His Jones off of waivers I think is still a great grab. And I for one liked Petrell. A guy no one thought to go get. For all our talk about needing to get harder to play against, Petrell hit everything, and was a big reason our pk was successful.

Having said all that, he also did things like sign Cam Barker, and I'm glad he's gone.

My worry is that all three of the guys turn out just like Eagre. For whatever reason, they don't come as billed.

Besides, I think we need to be shooting for size in our top six, not just our top nine. So that means either a larger nastier second line centre (Couturiier), or a big nasty second line winger or both.

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#71 madjam
May 10 2013, 10:01AM
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Kassian should be available . Is he worth bothering with ? P.S. - maybe you should be sending your request to Lowe -not MacT.?

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#72 StHenriOilBomb
May 10 2013, 10:01AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Think PK's act might be starting to be wearing thin in Montreal. His teammates didn't look at all impressed with his schtick when times got tough in this Senator series. Could be an opportunity there if the Habs don't want to have to deal with the distractions with a quick tempered player like PK. He's on a bargain contract and could easily be moved again if it didn't work out with a new team.

Paajarvi and Hemsky for PK. Feel that's a decent offer for a 2.875 million per yr Subban, even if he has a few warts. (watch Dicey go off on me now)

We don't get Subban without giving up one of the kids...

Subban straight up for Ebs? Maybe a deal worth making, but I still don't see Montreal going for it.

Norris candidates are few and far between. They don't get traded for peanuts.

Habs don't want Gagner - they have enough small centres. Paajarvi, 7th overall, and J.Shultz might do it, but that would probably end up an overpay.

He's their best player, on a ridiculously good contract, and the fans adore him. It's more likely they move Price.

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#73 RMGS
May 10 2013, 10:02AM
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@Tikkanese

If he can replace the pylon on the 4th line, that's a huge improvement. If he's forced to play up the batting order too often, that's a problem.

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#74 vetinari
May 10 2013, 10:14AM
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Montreal won't part with Subban and even if they did, they would want a defenceman with huge potential as part of the return because it would leave them with a hole on their blue line.

I'm not suggesting this trade, but I'm sure Montreal would insist on one of J. Schultz or maybe Klefbom plus someone like Eberle to even consider a trade.

Not going to happen and nor should it. MacT would do better to target cap teams like Vancouver to see if they would part with some of their veterans for some cap friendly AHL farm players.

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#75 Walter Sobchak
May 10 2013, 10:16AM
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I honestly see zero chance any of these players mentioned here will sign in Edmonton.

I honestly think the Oilers need to find these types of players through trade; this is why you have a pro scouting department.

Does anyone believe that Horton’s playboy wife willingly wants to live in Edmonton?

Or that Clarkson want’s to uplift his family from NYC to come live in Edmonton over say NYR or resigning with the Devils?

These are high profile players playing in elite hockey cities.

Not to mention the cost to bring these players to the city would be nothing short of a massive overpayment.

Instead look at obtaining players through trade and trading for players like these;

Brandon Dubinsky who can play C or LW, both high needs, he’s 27 years old and has 3 years remaining on his current deal.

Matt Martin – A RW with size and can actually play the game, is signed for a decent rate, who enjoys the physical play.

Steve Ott – This is the type of players the Oilers had with Tikkanen, at a very reasonable rate.

Troy Brouwer – can move up and down the line up, has great size and good two way game.

All young, all at reasonable rates, every player here comes with an edge and competes hard.. Also rumored to be on the block at one point or another during the season.

Stay the heck away from UFA's.

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#76 madjam
May 10 2013, 10:22AM
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RMGS wrote:

If he can replace the pylon on the 4th line, that's a huge improvement. If he's forced to play up the batting order too often, that's a problem.

Don't know how they expect to get better anytime soon by repositioning a diminishing talent for one more year ? Time to upgrade for the future . Love the guy , but certainly should be able to do better if we hope to get better .

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#77 Quicksilver ballet
May 10 2013, 10:29AM
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@StHenriOilBomb

Have to believe they value Price much moreso that Subban. Virtually every team in this league would love to get their hands on Cary Price. Subban, not so much.

Not much of a Subban fan anyways, Oilers would have to renovate the dressing room again just to accommodate his ego. So far, Subban doesn't appear to help lift the play of his teammates around him. How often have we seen him take himself out of the play, looking for that trophy hit. Have to think Dion Phanuef was just doing his Subban impersonation on Wednesday in OT.

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#78 Rama Lama
May 10 2013, 10:33AM
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Why on earth would MTL trade their best player and one of the top 5 Dmen in hockey?

You going to trade Hall for him?

I don't know what it would take..........maybe our first round ( 7th pick) plus a player.......Hemsky, PRV, or Harti.

Bold moves requires we give up assets we may not want to part with.

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#79 Will
May 10 2013, 10:38AM
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Despite our attitude that a high calibre free agent would never want to play here (cough Justin Schultz cough), it would also be horribly poor management to not even try to acquire one of these players at a reasonable price. As the article identifies, these three guys fill the need everyone posting here has been screaming for. So to just say, well his playboy wife won't want to come here. Screw her. Management has to at least give it a shot.

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#80 RMGS
May 10 2013, 10:44AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Have to believe they value Price much moreso that Subban. Virtually every team in this league would love to get their hands on Cary Price. Subban, not so much.

Not much of a Subban fan anyways, Oilers would have to renovate the dressing room again just to accommodate his ego. So far, Subban doesn't appear to help lift the play of his teammates around him. How often have we seen him take himself out of the play, looking for that trophy hit. Have to think Dion Phanuef was just doing his Subban impersonation on Wednesday in OT.

"Subban doesn't appear to help lift the play of his teammates?"

This is absurd. He has the best RelCorsi on his team for a defenceman and almost all of his teammates put up better counting and possession numbers with him than without him.

If that isn't convincing enough, watch more than the highlights. He's a fantastic defenceman on a ridiculous bargain contract for which I would trade another fantastic player, Eberle, straight up - except the Habs never make that trade.

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#81 15w40
May 10 2013, 10:47AM
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Will wrote:

Despite our attitude that a high calibre free agent would never want to play here (cough Justin Schultz cough), it would also be horribly poor management to not even try to acquire one of these players at a reasonable price. As the article identifies, these three guys fill the need everyone posting here has been screaming for. So to just say, well his playboy wife won't want to come here. Screw her. Management has to at least give it a shot.

Fully agree - management still needs to do their due diligence but with situations like this you are as much trying on the family as you are trying on the player.

But to just say "screw her" is not practical. If the missus is not on board, you will end up with Pronger 2.0.

Justin Schultz came to Edmonton because of his situation. All he had to consider was how HE fit into the hockey team and how HIS life would look in Edmonton.

There is no going home to a grumpy domestic situation after every road trip and dealing with life outside of hockey. For Justin Schultz it's all about him, how is his hockey progressing, where he and the boys are going out tonight etc, etc.

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#82 Quicksilver ballet
May 10 2013, 10:50AM
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@RMGS

Everyone has a right to be wrong RMGS.

Me thinks Subban is selfish and a little over rated. I'll hang with Ebs thanks. Absurd analogy, don't try and change my mind.

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#83 RMGS
May 10 2013, 10:56AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Everyone has a right to be wrong RMGS.

Me thinks Subban is selfish and a little over rated. I'll hang with Ebs thanks. Absurd analogy, don't try and change my mind.

"Everyone has a right to be wrong..."

Indeed! :)

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#84 Will
May 10 2013, 10:58AM
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15w40 wrote:

Fully agree - management still needs to do their due diligence but with situations like this you are as much trying on the family as you are trying on the player.

But to just say "screw her" is not practical. If the missus is not on board, you will end up with Pronger 2.0.

Justin Schultz came to Edmonton because of his situation. All he had to consider was how HE fit into the hockey team and how HIS life would look in Edmonton.

There is no going home to a grumpy domestic situation after every road trip and dealing with life outside of hockey. For Justin Schultz it's all about him, how is his hockey progressing, where he and the boys are going out tonight etc, etc.

Fair enough but, for management to make team decisions based on how the wife might feel is ridiculous.

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#85 nunyour
May 10 2013, 11:01AM
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I am a fan of Horcoff the player,but he looks like the guy who has been at the same job for way to long,i think he and the oilers would benefit from a mutual parting of ways.TIme for a culture change in the room,over to the young guys,and new players coming in.Habby,Whitney,Horcoff,and Hemsky gone would go a long way to change this losing energy in the room.

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#86 Quicksilver ballet
May 10 2013, 11:01AM
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RMGS wrote:

"Everyone has a right to be wrong..."

Indeed! :)

Happy weekend sir.

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#87 Taylor Gang
May 10 2013, 11:14AM
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Why are we worrying about grit? Worry about that a little later. Focus your efforts on a top 2. Worry about the grit later

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#88 Walter Sobchak
May 10 2013, 11:21AM
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RMGS wrote:

"Everyone has a right to be wrong..."

Indeed! :)

Did you not see the freak out session that Subban had against Pacioretty ON the bench during a game?

I can only imagine what he was like in the dressing room.

Thanks, I'll pass on Subban too.

Would rather have Yandel.

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#89 Walter Sobchak
May 10 2013, 11:23AM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Why are we worrying about grit? Worry about that a little later. Focus your efforts on a top 2. Worry about the grit later

The article is about GRIT, maybe you can comment about the top two when that article comes out.

one is as important as the other.

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#90 RMGS
May 10 2013, 11:40AM
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In (unnecessary) defence of P.K. Subban:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/montreal-canadiens/Todd+Hockey+world+still+adjusting/8356446/story.html

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#91 Will
May 10 2013, 11:43AM
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My wish list consists of Yandle, Streit, Clarkson, Couturier, and Gautier at the draft. Two are UFA's one might be had by switching first round picks and maybe packaging up a prospect, and one might be got through a hockey trade.

Hall, Nuge, Ebs

Clarkson, Couturier, Yak

Paajarvi, Horcoff, Hartikinen

Brown, Lander, Petrell (though this whole line could easily change)

Striet, Smid

Yandle, Petry,

Fistric, Schultz

Potter

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#92 Tikkanese
May 10 2013, 12:26PM
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@Will

Clarkson is a RW not a LW.

Petrell is one of the MacT non-factors that won't be back.

Lander needs another year in the AHL.

Fistric wants to much $ and won't be back.

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#93 Oiler Al
May 10 2013, 12:29PM
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vetinari wrote:

Montreal won't part with Subban and even if they did, they would want a defenceman with huge potential as part of the return because it would leave them with a hole on their blue line.

I'm not suggesting this trade, but I'm sure Montreal would insist on one of J. Schultz or maybe Klefbom plus someone like Eberle to even consider a trade.

Not going to happen and nor should it. MacT would do better to target cap teams like Vancouver to see if they would part with some of their veterans for some cap friendly AHL farm players.

Thats what I suggested elswhere.... go after salary dump teams... Canucks.. Elder,Bieksa, and Hamuis, not sure if they would be available, but this is the level of player you want to chase.

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#94 Oiler Al
May 10 2013, 12:33PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Did you not see the freak out session that Subban had against Pacioretty ON the bench during a game?

I can only imagine what he was like in the dressing room.

Thanks, I'll pass on Subban too.

Would rather have Yandel.

Well maybe Pecioretty needed a kick on the the side of the head.... he had " ZERO`points in the 5 games.! This is a first line player. At least PK, had 4 points in the playoffs.

As much as I like Eberle, I would trade him for Suban straight up. Having said that, I highly doubt MTL. would ever put Suban on the market.

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#95 Pucker - B class
May 10 2013, 12:44PM
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Cheap Shot Charlie wrote:

So, you just changed you're letters around? Cool! On a valid note, I wonder how many of the above mentioned guys would soften up if they came in alone. I think most players have a hard time keeping up a pace when they A) have to do it alone every night. B) don't have their backs covered when they have 4 guys coming after them. How many tougher guys do the Oil need? 3? 5? And don't say 23...that's lame and not true.

YES. And 23 isn't lame. A full bench that will stick up for each other would go a long ways in improving commitment/compete level.

Of course the coach will have to be on board. Penalties may lose you some games but there should be benefits in the overall picture.

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#96 Walter Sobchak
May 10 2013, 01:02PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

OK, the Subban thing is just getting the discussion going.........how about we go after the stronger, faster, less egotistical, version of Subban.

I'm talking Seth Jones.........swaps picks and give up a prospect should get this deal done??

I'm campaining for the Oilers to move up not down in this draft.

I'm with you on this Rama.

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#98 Walter Sobchak
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Good points.

It's going to take a combination of moves to get this roster where it needs to be, including astute trades and picking the right free agents. These are just three names, via the UFA market, who I think are worth looking at. Isn't meant as the only route to take or the only players to pursue.

Thanks Robin, agreed, I actually like the players you mentioned as well, as a fan, I worry about overpayment and bang for the buck.

I guess, I'm a little jaded when it comes to UFA's and the Oilers.

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#100 gbm
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Good article. Personally I like all of these guys and the common traits (desire, compete level, size) amongst all three are more of what MacT has talked about acquiring.

The downside is that by the sounds of it Clarkson is most likely going to resign in NJ. I expect Bickell to do the same in the Windy city, especially if the Hawks lift Lord Stanley's mug again in June.

That leaves Horton. I realize this has already been mentioned but I don't know if he's worth the risk. If I were MacT I'd be really concerned about the concussion issues, especially from the initial injury he incurred from the Rome hit in the '11 finals. Notwithstanding his age and size (which are both favourable from a signing standpoint), his history puts him at higher risk for traumatic brain re-injury. If MacT goes after him he's playin' the ponies IMO.

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