EAKINS: "I WANT TEAMS TO FEAR US"

Jason Gregor
June 11 2013 01:50PM

Dallas Eakins will spend this week in Edmonton talking to Steve Smith and Kelly Buchberger to see if they will be part of his coaching staff. He will also sit down with Craig MacTavish and get a sense of the roster, the strengths and weaknesses, and start planning for next season.

Eakins is very intense, he's a fitness freak and when I spoke to him on my radio show yesterday afternoon, it was clear he is a man with a plan. He wants teams to fear the Oilers skill, their speed and their physicality. Of course, the latter hasn't been a strength of the Oilers for years, and Eakins gave us some insight on how he plans to change that as well as they style and system his team will play next season.

Eakins was very direct with his responses, and he gave Ryan Rishaug and I a pretty clear insight into how he plans to make the Oilers competitive.

Jason Gregor: What do you see as the strengths of your new team, just based on the players you have and do you build around them or do you make them play your system?

Dallas Eakins: Well, it’s going to be a two-way street I think. Listen, I’m not going to take away much from these players where we never want to take away, especially with our young players, speed and skill and the way that they see the game.

A lot of these players have massive offensive upside. There will be a little bit more accountability with the puck, and firmly accountability without it. One should never take away from another. I don’t buy into the premise that when you play better defensively that your numbers suffer. You’re on offense when you have the puck and you are on defense when you don’t and those simple rules are going to be in effect.

What we need to do, is that we need to develop these guys a little bit further. We also need to get the right people around them who can not only complement them, but also teach them how to play and how to win in the NHL. So we have a lot going on here, but I’m certainly excited to get it going.

Ryan Rishaug: You talk about accountability, can you maybe just give us a little bit of a window into the type of accountability that you’ve had in the past?

Eakins: I will get to these players, individually and over time I will develop a relationship where I get to know them. This isn’t a sit down, me ask them a bunch of psychological questions, it’s a constant conversation that will probably start in my office, or by the coffee machine, or in the weight room, or on a bike, or wherever it may be. It’s through those conversations I find out what motivates them, inspires them, what their triggers are, how they respond.

I’ve had players where I knew that if I screamed at them quickly they responded right away. I’ve had players where I knew that if I screamed I would lose them in the game, or lose them for a week or two. And that’s not that you’re looking to be soft, or looking to play favourites, you don’t. All of these kids have been brought up differently, they’ve had different experiences, they have different personalities, and if you’re going to treat them all the same, then you’re doing your team a terrible disservice.

We’re going to treat them all the same, when it comes to work ethic and discipline and we’re going to treat them all differently when it comes to motivating and inspiring their personal goals.

MOTIVATION

Gregor: What are your thoughts on motivation? How much of it is on the coach, how much is on the player and how often do you need to initiate it?

Eakins: Well the balance is that you just feel it. It’s not a calculated thing where it’s ‘okay I’ve got to scream at this guy once every two days.’ There’s just a time for it and there is a time not to. I think if you get the right group together as a team, they will motivate each other. That’s the perfect scenario that they’re always holding each other accountable, not wanting to let down your teammates, disappoint a teammate, to show your team that you’re going to do everything or anything you can every night or any given day to get better.

Accountability is huge for a coach and it can’t just be with your bottom two lines.  There has got to be accountability right from your number one player right through the 23rd guy on your roster, and it’s got to be consistent, then the players catch on real quick. You don’t want it to be, ‘oh well he’s allowed to do that but I can’t,’ so that’s something that we have to work through. It’s something that the players have to understand, but I will have the rules in place on how we’re going to deal with it.

Rishaug: What’s your coaching philosophy on the role of the, not necessarily the nuclear heavy weight, but the aggressive player who can play, but also look out for the skill on the ice, and how do you employ those types of players?

Eakins: I still think that hockey is a game of fear, and before we even get to that part, I want other teams to fear our skills, fear our speed, and fear our physicality. Is there going to be fighting in hockey in the future? I believe that there will be. It’s a high contact sport, these guys are in each other’s faces. There’s a lot of testosterone out there and that is just going to lead to a fight.

I think that it’s important, especially with a young group, to have a certain level of toughness that these kids can continue to develop in a place of no fear. So I do have a place for it. I think that it’s an important part of the game, not the most important, but certainly I never ever want our team to be nervous or in fear and that’s something that we’ve got to go through as we add pieces to this.

Is it necessary to get a guy who just fights? Well maybe it isn’t. But maybe we can have some guys who are good checkers, who are good players, who can back it up as well. It will all depend on the roster spots, and what’s available and how we see the team makeup going forward.

Gregor: The Edmonton Oilers haven’t been an overly physical team for quite some time. Do you think that you can make players more physical or do you have to go out and find more players who are naturally physical?

Eakins: I think you can have players who maybe it doesn’t come naturally to, to simply compete harder for the puck or finish their check on a regular basis. You are certainly not going to make a guy who doesn’t have it in their DNA, that meanness in their DNA, to go out and hammer on guys. It’s not going to happen.

We’ve had a couple of guys come through the Leaf organization where we tried to turn them into something that they weren’t, and I realised that you just can’t do it. It’s no different than taking a guy who is challenged skill wise, and bring him into your office and say, ‘hey we need 40 goals out of you.’ That’s not going to happen, he doesn’t have it in his DNA and it works the other way too.

So we do want to have a commitment from our players that they will compete hard, that will be nonnegotiable. They will finish their checks, always, but we are certainly going to have to build some nastiness in here around them.

LINE JUGGLING

Rishaug: Do you have a philosophy on continuity within your lines as a head coach?

Eakins: Well in the American League it’s different, you’ve always got guys going up, coming down; there’s always movement. Your lines are constantly changing. With the forward lines, I firmly believe in pairs. You usually find the third guy amongst a couple of guys who feed off of each other. You can insert or take away the third guy in the line and that’s how it usually goes. Hey, if a line is working and it’s working for a long time and it suddenly goes south, then we need to find out why it went south because it’s already been proven that it works.

So we’ll look for those pairs early. If we do find a line that’s clicking, we want to keep it fresh. But if for some reason, it does start to go south, there’s something else going on there because their skill level is the same, their fitness levels are the same, they’re all the same size, nothing has changed other than something isn’t working now. That’s something that’s up to the coaching staff to get in there and find that out.

On defense I like pairs that you really need to be comfortable with your partner and that’s a place where I do need to just get the six guys in there, especially the top-four where they know where each other are all of the time without looking or saying a word.

Gregor: What skillset do you need amongst your top-six defensemen? I know you need a mix, but will your onus be on guys who can move the puck?

Eakins: Well you need both. It’s one of those things where as a defenseman I always ask them, ‘what’s your position?’ and they say, ‘defense’ and I say ‘that’s right, the first job is to defend.’ We need that out of all of our defensemen. However, the way that the game is now with the quickness and the skill level, you’ve got to be able to skate. If you are challenged a little bit with your skating, you’ve got to have a firm handle on your angles and your limitations and you like guys that can handle the puck. Listen, one pass and we’re out, that’s the best way to kill these tenacious forechecks now.

We want guys that can put the puck on the tape. We don’t want to be a team that’s banging the puck out off of the glass all of the time, we want clean breakouts. And then, as always, if there is danger, and the other team has done a good job on a certain forecheck, and we can’t make a pass that we recognize the danger and we just get the puck out of our zone so that the forwards can get skating after it.

Rishaug: Would this opportunity in Edmonton be unique as far as coaching experience goes for you, given the amount of young, very high end, high draft pick talent offensive players that you have. Have you experienced that in any way, shape or form as a head coach before?

Eakins: No not as a head coach. You have your skilled guys, maybe you’ve got three of them at the American Hockey League level. The only place I was up front and close with it was when I was an assistant coach with the Toronto Maple Leafs and I was a part of a group that was coaching Mats Sundin and those types of guys.

So it’s certainly going to open a door to try to try some things differently, especially on the power play, odd man situations. The other side of this is if we can get some of the offensive guys, the guys who can see the offensive side very well, and we can get them very, very fit so that they can handle extra minutes. We also want them to learn that checking side of the game, so now they can be an offensive force when killing a penalty as well. There are a lot of things that you can do if you can get these guys playing on both sides of the puck. And that’s where the test is going to lie and it’s going to take some time to get this plan in place. I think that once the guys get comfortable with it, we can be a dangerous team, in all different kinds of ways.

Gregor: It might be too early for this, but many have wondered if moving Taylor Hall to centre would be smart. Do you think he can be just as dominant playing the wing as he could in the middle?

Eakins: It’s going to be one of these things, the first thing that I’m going to do, while I’m here this week, is to talk to our management, what they’ve seen, what Steve Smith and Kelly Buchberger think. But I think that maybe the most important conversation comes between me and Taylor. I’ll ask him where is he the most comfortable, where does he think that he can be the most productive, and then we start working through it. I can’t tell you right now where he is going to play. But we will find that spot where he is comfortable at, that we’re comfortable at, and more importantly where he will befit his teammates and we will move forward with that plan.

Rishaug: What is your philosophy, and you may have touched on this a little bit, on your skilled players being a part of the penalty kill?

Eakins: Well yeah, if they can get good at it, and if they’re committed to it, I think that they should be out there. Your skilled guys, it’s a number of things going on. They’re usually the smartest guys on your team when it comes to reading plays, they can definitely do damage when they get the puck. Your skilled guys are usually guys who can really skate, so if you can teach them how to kill penalties or if they can get committed to doing some of this dirty work on a penalty kill, and it hurts blocking shots and sacrificing your body, then that can be a way for them to up their minutes.

Usually your skilled guys are making the most money, and if you’re making the most money you had better be playing the most minutes, because you’re earning that money. So that’s where I would like it to go. That being said, if we have other guys on the other lines that are excellent penalty killers and can get the job done, then we’ll stick with them. It’s certainly an opportunity to for a guy with skill to buy in a little bit more defensively to get some more ice time.

Rishaug: Dallas, just to clarify from the press conference today, as far as the rest of the coaching staff goes, are you looking to add an associate coach, and will you also be making the call on the other two assistants. Is that where it’s at right now?

Eakins: Well yeah, that’s where we left it and listen, I just got my feet on the ground here. So I’m going to talk to Kelly and I’m going to talk to Steve and find out where they’re at here as coaches, and how they see this going forward. We are definitely in a market here to add another coach, possibly someone with some NHL experience. It’s easy to say that, it’s a little bit harder to do but I’ve got to get the lay of the land here and see what works best for our team and what I deem best for our team. So there will be a bit of a process to this, but in the end we will make our decision and move forward.

Gregor: What will you look for in those coaches? What types of coaches do you want on your staff?

Eakins: Well number one, they’ve got to be great teachers. I need the assistants to be great teachers, they’ve got to have a real firm knowledge technically, tactically to adjust mid-game right during a shift. As encouraging as I can be, there are going to be times right where I’m going to light a fire under a player, and he may not like it and I’m going to need my assistants to swing back around and put out the fire and be a real positive force.

So there are a number of things going on there, and we’ve got to get the right mix. To be honest with you, I’ve got to find out about Kelly and Steve. They might be the best two assistant coaches in the National Hockey League and I’ve got to go in and see where they’re at, and how they fit. 

FINAL THOUGHTS

  • Eakins reminds me of MacTavish, which is likely a reason why he replaced Krueger. Eakins will be more demanding than Renney and Krueger, and that will likely be a good thing for this group of players. I believe they need to be challenged a bit more.
     
  • I've said this before, and I'll say it again, unless MacTavish gives Eakins some better players, I doubt we will see a massive improvement from the Oilers. You can't keep changing coaches and expect to win. The philosophy and demands of the team need to improve, and time will tell if MacTavish and Eakins are the right guys to make these changes. It is very early, but so far I've been impressed in how direct and decisive MacTavish has been, and I suspect we will see a new approach from Eakins when training camp starts in September.
     
  • Taylor Hall is a left winger. He is most comfortable there, and I predict after Eakins speaks with his leading scorer he will keep him on the wing. It is time to stop talking about moving Hall to the middle. He can dominate games on the wing, and that is where he will play next year.
     
  • Teemu Hartikainen's decision to sign in the KHL and play for his former Finnish coach makes sense for him and the Oilers. Hartikainen needs to mature, and he needs to be more consistent if he ever hopes to play in the NHL. I know many love his size, but size means nothing if you don't use it, and use it often. In order to make the NHL, and remain in the NHL, players need to be self-motivated. No coach can bring that out of you. They can enhance it, but the majority of motivation and drive comes from within, and at this point I haven't seen it often enough in Hartikainen. He has the ability and skill to play in the NHL, but he can't expect his coaches to constantly prod him to get him going. Hopefully for him and the Oilers, he finds that this year in the KHL.
     
  • The Stars signed Sergei Gonchar for two years at $5 million a year. Gonchar is 39 years old. I wonder how that will impact the market for Mark Streit? Streit turns 36 in December, but he's averaged 0.67 points-per-game the past five seasons, and he's an elite puck mover. Despite his defensive deficiencies, I expect he'll get at least a 3-year deal and likely longer. Will the Oilers give him $15 million over 3 years? They might have to if they want to sign him.
     
  • The Blackhawks have been the best team all season, so I'll stick with them and take them to win in 7 games.  

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#101 madjam
June 11 2013, 11:20PM
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OF INTEREST : KEVIN McCARTNEY of JETS NATION and manager of Jets Nation has a nice article worth reading and contemplating on . The article is done June 11/2013 .

JETS OFF-SEASON TRADE TARGETS : ALES HEMSKY . Interesting stuff including rumours of Hemsky being offered for trade but turned down Nashville's offer of a second and 4th round pick , and Oilers not wanting the deal in 2011-12 for they felt they had to many draft picks already . As MaCARTNEY put it , what would MacT. want or like ? What would we want ON considering we might ave already turned down a second and fourth rounder by the sounds of it ? Good in depth article by the way .

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#102 Walter Sobchak
June 11 2013, 11:24PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Boston wins.

They are too big, too strong and too mean.The best 4th line in hockey.In case you have not noticed not many penalties are called in the post season.

They are everything the Oilers are not.

Big Neely fan.

I'm not to sure about your prediction though Spydyr, actually your predictions fine.

I question your to big, to mean for Chicago, I think L.A maybe team wise just as tough if not tougher.

L.A also had a extremely good fourth line.

It's going to be close, I also get a kick out of some of the media who says the game will be won between the pipes, like Crawford is some sieve.

Chicago just beat the best goalie in the NHL.

Going to be a great series though.

I hope MacTavish can be brutally honest with himself and admit, that even if he does his absolute best and even rips a few teams off the Oilers are so far away.

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#103 MKE
June 12 2013, 04:16AM
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Big Cap wrote:

RE: Posts #85, #86, #88

@MKE

Lay off man, we don't need you taking personal shots @DSF who is a fellow Oiler poster on this site.

If @DSF's opinions and posts don't match your thoughts or believes, then move on and DON'T read any further posts from him.

Your an "Internet Tough Guy". We all know your the Big Man, and not to mess with you. We get it, now move along...

All i did was point out the truth. Not sure that makes me an "Internet Tough Guy".

I like facts. And the truth. And not having people tell us 2+2=5.

So if that bothers you, feel free to skip over my posts :).

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#104 MKE
June 12 2013, 04:21AM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

I don't think it's too out of the question. The Sabres don't exactly have an embarrasment of riches up front. Maybe Myers and Stafford for Gagner, the 7th overall pick and Musil could do it?

You are right, they don't. I'd do that deal. I played with Stafford one summer and he's someone I'd like on my team. Not crazy about his cap hit.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I wonder if there is an even better deal out there.

I wonder if....maybe....JUST MAYBE....you could get Alex Pietrangelo. I know its not likely at all. But I can't help but wonder..

If I could wish for one guy...he would be it.

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#105 MKE
June 12 2013, 04:26AM
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madjam wrote:

OF INTEREST : KEVIN McCARTNEY of JETS NATION and manager of Jets Nation has a nice article worth reading and contemplating on . The article is done June 11/2013 .

JETS OFF-SEASON TRADE TARGETS : ALES HEMSKY . Interesting stuff including rumours of Hemsky being offered for trade but turned down Nashville's offer of a second and 4th round pick , and Oilers not wanting the deal in 2011-12 for they felt they had to many draft picks already . As MaCARTNEY put it , what would MacT. want or like ? What would we want ON considering we might ave already turned down a second and fourth rounder by the sounds of it ? Good in depth article by the way .

I think the Oilers would love to get Zach Bogosian. I'm not sure the Jets have any desire too move him.

Hemsky and the 7th pick for Bogosian and the 13th pick?

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#106 Quicksilver ballet
June 12 2013, 04:43AM
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@MKE

Hemsky and Gernat in exchange for Bogosian. Edmonton still needs that 7th selection for Nurse or Monahan.

Heck, i'd even go 3 for 1 and add Tuebert.

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#107 NewAgeSys
June 12 2013, 05:51AM
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vetinari wrote:

Hear that NHL? Fear the Oilers!!!! You could get traded to us!

A pre-season media statement aknowledging and endorsing the Oilers new relationship with the NewAge Hockey System and the NHL will FEAR the Oilers.

Everyone fears the unknown and last I checked most people dont know exactly what an Intuit is, it is hard to conceptualise defeating something you dont understand, like trying to squeeze a handfull of water. At what point do you quit and blame the unknown factor? Quickly we hope.

The seed of that fear has already been planted, it just needs a bit of sustenance.

The entire NHL already knew there was something new and special cooking here, they also knew we werent dialing it in, well methinks that opinion may change now. We have a new key and they will need to hold their collective breath and hope we dont come out flying early in the season. As we will..

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#108 madjam
June 12 2013, 06:24AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Hemsky and Gernat in exchange for Bogosian. Edmonton still needs that 7th selection for Nurse or Monahan.

Heck, i'd even go 3 for 1 and add Tuebert.

Here are some names floating around Jets nation . Sounds like Burmistrov wanting out . They feel Burmistrov and a second might get them Gagner . I don't think so . Hainsey they would part with and even perhaps Begosian in a Hemsky deal . Byfuglien perhaps depending on who they draft , as they already appear high on Trouba for next season.

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#109 Spydyr
June 12 2013, 06:38AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Big Neely fan.

I'm not to sure about your prediction though Spydyr, actually your predictions fine.

I question your to big, to mean for Chicago, I think L.A maybe team wise just as tough if not tougher.

L.A also had a extremely good fourth line.

It's going to be close, I also get a kick out of some of the media who says the game will be won between the pipes, like Crawford is some sieve.

Chicago just beat the best goalie in the NHL.

Going to be a great series though.

I hope MacTavish can be brutally honest with himself and admit, that even if he does his absolute best and even rips a few teams off the Oilers are so far away.

Big Neely fan.

Me too man, me too,

He was everything a power forward should be.

Let us hope it is a hell of a series and goes seven

Then let us hope Mac-T is a man of his word and Goes and gets Dallas the players needed to win in the playoffs.No more Oilers being the free bingo space on the NHL card.Make Rexall a place to fear playing in.Not the easiest two points in the league.

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#110 G Money
June 12 2013, 07:40AM
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NewAgeSys wrote:

A pre-season media statement aknowledging and endorsing the Oilers new relationship with the NewAge Hockey System and the NHL will FEAR the Oilers.

Everyone fears the unknown and last I checked most people dont know exactly what an Intuit is, it is hard to conceptualise defeating something you dont understand, like trying to squeeze a handfull of water. At what point do you quit and blame the unknown factor? Quickly we hope.

The seed of that fear has already been planted, it just needs a bit of sustenance.

The entire NHL already knew there was something new and special cooking here, they also knew we werent dialing it in, well methinks that opinion may change now. We have a new key and they will need to hold their collective breath and hope we dont come out flying early in the season. As we will..

Normally what I FEAR are your posts - but this one was relatively short and used punctuation and whitespace appropriately! I still don't understand the relevance of Quicken and/or QuickTax to hockey - but otherwise well done!

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#111 Quicksilver ballet
June 12 2013, 08:04AM
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@NewAgeSys

To date, how many National Hockey League clubs have compensated you financially for your input into their system?

How many paid to implement your system, not how many you think stole it from you. A one word answer is fine.

Example answer.....one, two, none yet, four etc.

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#112 Quicksilver ballet
June 12 2013, 08:15AM
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madjam wrote:

Here are some names floating around Jets nation . Sounds like Burmistrov wanting out . They feel Burmistrov and a second might get them Gagner . I don't think so . Hainsey they would part with and even perhaps Begosian in a Hemsky deal . Byfuglien perhaps depending on who they draft , as they already appear high on Trouba for next season.

Ganye straight up for Bogosian then. That's certainly a deal that'll help both clubs.

Hell, give them Hemsky and Ganye+, in exchange for Bogosian and their first in 2014.

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#113 MKE
June 12 2013, 09:02AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Hemsky and Gernat in exchange for Bogosian. Edmonton still needs that 7th selection for Nurse or Monahan.

Heck, i'd even go 3 for 1 and add Tuebert.

Id do that deal.

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#114 MKE
June 12 2013, 09:04AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Ganye straight up for Bogosian then. That's certainly a deal that'll help both clubs.

Hell, give them Hemsky and Ganye+, in exchange for Bogosian and their first in 2014.

I actually like that deal better

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#115 NewAgeSys
June 12 2013, 10:06AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

To date, how many National Hockey League clubs have compensated you financially for your input into their system?

How many paid to implement your system, not how many you think stole it from you. A one word answer is fine.

Example answer.....one, two, none yet, four etc.

Five and climbing as we speak.

None of them have implemented the Complete NHS, they have all implemented core philosophical and tactical compoents of the NHS into their existing systems, when they do this I call them Adjusted-Hybrids. These specific adjustments originated from me. They were intended for a specific team, the Oilers and because they were in the public domain other teams also used the data.

If any had paid we wouldnt be chatting. ha ha ha ha.

Do you think you are a Swami or something? Trying to build a valuation directive based on fiscal earnings? Ha ha ha ha.

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#116 Taylor Gang
June 12 2013, 10:21AM
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NewAgeSys wrote:

Five and climbing as we speak.

None of them have implemented the Complete NHS, they have all implemented core philosophical and tactical compoents of the NHS into their existing systems, when they do this I call them Adjusted-Hybrids. These specific adjustments originated from me. They were intended for a specific team, the Oilers and because they were in the public domain other teams also used the data.

If any had paid we wouldnt be chatting. ha ha ha ha.

Do you think you are a Swami or something? Trying to build a valuation directive based on fiscal earnings? Ha ha ha ha.

Dude you're eating some strong mushrooms if you think that teams are implementing your systems

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#117 Ryan2
June 12 2013, 10:52AM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Dude you're eating some strong mushrooms if you think that teams are implementing your systems

They don't make mushrooms strong enough for that. Must be something a little harsher.

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#118 vetinari
June 12 2013, 12:01PM
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Fear the Oilers!!! And NewAgeSystem's posts!!! But mainly the Oilers!!!!*

*what's the over/under on the number of "no fly" lists that NAS is likely on? Two? Three?

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#119 Walter Sobchak
June 12 2013, 12:02PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Big Neely fan.

Me too man, me too,

He was everything a power forward should be.

Let us hope it is a hell of a series and goes seven

Then let us hope Mac-T is a man of his word and Goes and gets Dallas the players needed to win in the playoffs.No more Oilers being the free bingo space on the NHL card.Make Rexall a place to fear playing in.Not the easiest two points in the league.

Man, I hope your right. Everyone seems to have there favorite trade or player they want coming here, lets see what MacTavisg can do.

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#120 Quicksilver ballet
June 12 2013, 12:09PM
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NewAgeSys wrote:

Five and climbing as we speak.

None of them have implemented the Complete NHS, they have all implemented core philosophical and tactical compoents of the NHS into their existing systems, when they do this I call them Adjusted-Hybrids. These specific adjustments originated from me. They were intended for a specific team, the Oilers and because they were in the public domain other teams also used the data.

If any had paid we wouldnt be chatting. ha ha ha ha.

Do you think you are a Swami or something? Trying to build a valuation directive based on fiscal earnings? Ha ha ha ha.

The grand total of the monies you made from these 5 clubs, would it be enough to pay your cell phone bill this month?

Do you really have something of value to sell, or, are you the only one who thinks he has something to sell? The money changing hands is usually the best indicator of the value of the product. If you've made no money, I guess you know what your product is worth. If you're the CEO of nothing, then, have at'er dude.

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#121 A-Mc
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Five and climbing as we speak.

None of them have implemented the Complete NHS, they have all implemented core philosophical and tactical compoents of the NHS into their existing systems, when they do this I call them Adjusted-Hybrids. These specific adjustments originated from me. They were intended for a specific team, the Oilers and because they were in the public domain other teams also used the data.

If any had paid we wouldnt be chatting. ha ha ha ha.

Do you think you are a Swami or something? Trying to build a valuation directive based on fiscal earnings? Ha ha ha ha.

I have now concluded that you're mentally unstable in some way; much like a friend i used to have. And i don't say this to be rude.

No rational business person who had a legitimate development and/or coaching system would come onto a fan message board and post endless breakdowns of plays and games, in real time, revealing the 'secrets' of his system. In this act, he is giving away his product for free.

I think you're passionate about the game and that you believe you have conceived a plan of perfection for an NHL club. I think the easy thing to do, when being called out, is to lie and say you've already received payment from 5 clubs and rising; because who can fact check to the contrary?

I see the analysis posts as an unsolicited attempt to gain attention and or recognition of your genius. Again, I believe that if you were truly selling a product, you'd hold your cards a little closer to your chest. I bet you'd find that if you gave a little less, you'd receive a little more out of this community.

So what is my intent in making this post?

Coming from the perspective that I've just described to you, i want to suggest that you continue doing what you're doing, except maybe tone down 2 things:

1. The length of your posts, in general. If you have good things to say, they wont be read if your post is 5000 characters long.

2. That you realize that advertising a new age system to an audience of beer drinkers and arm chair GMs, isn't going to get you anything, or anywhere. We just dont care enough to legitimately contemplate what you're saying and reciprocate your efforts with a well formed response. As you've likely found, most of us are here to rant and be fan boys. THIS is what makes us happy (other than beer and pictures of Eakin's wife).

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#122 NewAgeSys
June 12 2013, 02:44PM
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Dude you're eating some strong mushrooms if you think that teams are implementing your systems

Please try to be more accurate.

No one is utilising a complete NHS. My System isnt being properly utiised anywhere at the moment.

You ought to give yourself more credit as an individual than you do.

Just who do you think created all of the currently recognised and accepted systems?

Heres one for you sport, why dont you name as many Systems as you can come up with? It shouldnt be much of a challenge for a fan or a player. Start with the one or ones you have watched the Oilers use for the last five years.

If you cant name the systems any other teams are using how in Hades could you know who is or is not usung the NHS? Shrooms? Sounds like a cousin to Smores.

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#123 NewAgeSys
June 12 2013, 03:54PM
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The grand total of the monies you made from these 5 clubs, would it be enough to pay your cell phone bill this month?

Do you really have something of value to sell, or, are you the only one who thinks he has something to sell? The money changing hands is usually the best indicator of the value of the product. If you've made no money, I guess you know what your product is worth. If you're the CEO of nothing, then, have at'er dude.

First off cell phones are not good for your health, we all have access to enough data to figure this out, make sure you are using an ear-bud and keep the goddam little microwaves away from your beanbags . Dont believe everything you hear when the owners of multi-billion dollar companies tell you everything is ok.

When you are trying to ascertain a proper valuation on an intangible product or idea it isnt an easy task, and can be quite time consuming, luckily for me it only took 3 years to establish a partial valuation, I had help from a specific company that markets a placebo of the Intuitive acumen I provide.

My intent was simply to draw attention to some normal fan concerns and things began to evolve from there.

Money was not my driving factor, simply getting a huge machine to stop moving long enough to do a self valuation was the main driving force.

You cant charge people for something until you first quantify and define it and then accurately valuate it. If you are in possesion of something rare or new you are faced with a unique situation where you need to do a virgin evaluation, there in some cases is no template to follow and you need to break new ground.

You might think your friend the Sugar Fairey has some juice until someone walks into your bake sale sets up shop and starts handing out free samples of chocolate covered deep fried Bacon and everyone goes bananas for something new to them.

When a market has already been saturated you need to come up with impactfull and ingenious ways to give your product recognition on par with the histroical levels the saturated products have been generating.

The best way to do this is through solid and tangible results, simply give it away and let people try it themselves, they after all are the best judges.

You sound like the owner of a donut stand in the market who secretly has a small plate of samples from the competition and you love em but know if you openly scarf them down you will be indirectly selling someone elses product for them.NHL team managment groups are a paralell to this .

Do you get it yet? I have set up shop and no NHL team will be friendly initially,first they need to have results jammed down their gullets, then they have to be hardballed. There is no other way to deal with them. They are designed and managed to absorb you completely and DONT ever want to pay for anything if they arent forced to, the opposite to what most people believe. They arent out there tossing money around trying to get the best of the best ,not by a longshot.

I dont need to approach the issue the way you may think, the product sells itself via result. Just because the tab hasnt been dealt wth because free samples have been handed out doesnt mean the Gravy Train wont end and the Piper wont be paid.

End of chapter one.

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#124 vetinari
June 12 2013, 04:27PM
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Dear Diary:

Today is June 12th. In an exercise in futility, I attempted to read all of NewAgeSystem's posts today, in their entirety, but to no avail. After the third hour, I realized that attempting 'War and Peace' or the collected works of Shakespeare was easier.

I suspect that NAS is either: 1.) a disgruntled postal worker who hates and resents short internet posts for taking away his livelihood; 2.) an angry drifter with a Wi-Fi connection; or 3.) an angry disgruntled postal worker hopped up on Red Bull and, most likely, speed, with a Wi-Fi connection.

Also, there is an outside chance that he is simply Steve Tambellini extracting his revenge on all of us.

v.

PS- as for the article, I do look forward to seeing Eakins behind the Oilers' bench in the fall and think that he will either push the team over the hump, or failing that, push them over the edge.

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#125 Harlie
June 12 2013, 04:30PM
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@NewAgeSys

Do you have a website? A book? A master thesis? An office? A phone number and a listing in the yellow? Hell, do you have a real name and can you verify that you have met any GM's regarding your system?

*Hey DSF, pass the tinfoil hats and Scotch - it's gonna be a long night.*

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#126 Harlie
June 12 2013, 04:34PM
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#127 Lofty
June 12 2013, 04:41PM
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NewAgeSys wrote:

First off cell phones are not good for your health, we all have access to enough data to figure this out, make sure you are using an ear-bud and keep the goddam little microwaves away from your beanbags . Dont believe everything you hear when the owners of multi-billion dollar companies tell you everything is ok.

When you are trying to ascertain a proper valuation on an intangible product or idea it isnt an easy task, and can be quite time consuming, luckily for me it only took 3 years to establish a partial valuation, I had help from a specific company that markets a placebo of the Intuitive acumen I provide.

My intent was simply to draw attention to some normal fan concerns and things began to evolve from there.

Money was not my driving factor, simply getting a huge machine to stop moving long enough to do a self valuation was the main driving force.

You cant charge people for something until you first quantify and define it and then accurately valuate it. If you are in possesion of something rare or new you are faced with a unique situation where you need to do a virgin evaluation, there in some cases is no template to follow and you need to break new ground.

You might think your friend the Sugar Fairey has some juice until someone walks into your bake sale sets up shop and starts handing out free samples of chocolate covered deep fried Bacon and everyone goes bananas for something new to them.

When a market has already been saturated you need to come up with impactfull and ingenious ways to give your product recognition on par with the histroical levels the saturated products have been generating.

The best way to do this is through solid and tangible results, simply give it away and let people try it themselves, they after all are the best judges.

You sound like the owner of a donut stand in the market who secretly has a small plate of samples from the competition and you love em but know if you openly scarf them down you will be indirectly selling someone elses product for them.NHL team managment groups are a paralell to this .

Do you get it yet? I have set up shop and no NHL team will be friendly initially,first they need to have results jammed down their gullets, then they have to be hardballed. There is no other way to deal with them. They are designed and managed to absorb you completely and DONT ever want to pay for anything if they arent forced to, the opposite to what most people believe. They arent out there tossing money around trying to get the best of the best ,not by a longshot.

I dont need to approach the issue the way you may think, the product sells itself via result. Just because the tab hasnt been dealt wth because free samples have been handed out doesnt mean the Gravy Train wont end and the Piper wont be paid.

End of chapter one.

Wish you the best in your endevour but can you keep your invention/investment out of the nation? Post on the articles in a way that doesn't come off as a highjacking of an article, give an opinion in under 500 words?

You suggest that you're good with numbers, systems and marketing. Start your own site.

It's offensive for a long time member to see that you're essentially soliciting your product on the oilersnation now.

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#128 NewAgeSys
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Harlie wrote:

Do you have a website? A book? A master thesis? An office? A phone number and a listing in the yellow? Hell, do you have a real name and can you verify that you have met any GM's regarding your system?

*Hey DSF, pass the tinfoil hats and Scotch - it's gonna be a long night.*

Hey, is your real name Harlie? Do you have a son that worked in the Oil Patch?

Didnt want a Blog 3 years ago and dont want one today, I just had a message to the Oilers I needed to get across. I dont want to write any books but it would be easy for anyone to do and I am willing to consult. I dont need an office my living room suffices I can both post online and work alongside the NHL coaching staff in real time via Game Day Threads and Blogs and have all of that dynamic interaction documented and validated on the fly in cyberspace. I use a pay as you go cell phone, those things are lethal, and no formal listing.

But spare me the bull crap OK champ.

I could have started a website or a Blog long long ago, I could have tossed together a business plan drawn straight from the internet, then followed that up with another googled "business proposal", sat down and formatted and printed some business cards and a few direct advertising brochures, then contacted the Oilers and every other NHL team at the same time with a solid proposal. I could have taken the time to put together a super structure ahead of time to support my efforts, yes a Yellowpages add is easy to set up in a few minutes from my computer you can have my Companies phone number from any number of places hardcopy and online , so what?

That is all sales BS.

Any 12 year old could have done that, I am pretty sure the Oilers looked for Darkhorse but if they didnt then this is exactly what they did to approach the Oilers.

I was trying to send a message one simple message and the NHS evolved out of that. I wasnt playing Dash for the Cash, I am in it to Win it.

You should be very carefull whenever anyone rings your doorbell or seemingly out of nowhere initiates a harmless conversation, you are vulnerable to sales pitches.

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#129 Harlie
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Yes, it appears that Darkhorse's more professional approach utilizing traditional 12 year old kid sales methods, has outwitted the great NAS and the secret system that he is spew..ahem, selling from his - living room.

PS I live on an acreage with a gated entry, we don't see door to door salesman, so lucky for me and my wallet I guess.

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#130 NewAgeSys
June 12 2013, 05:44PM
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Harlie wrote:

Yes, it appears that Darkhorse's more professional approach utilizing traditional 12 year old kid sales methods, has outwitted the great NAS and the secret system that he is spew..ahem, selling from his - living room.

PS I live on an acreage with a gated entry, we don't see door to door salesman, so lucky for me and my wallet I guess.

I wouldnt hold your breath waiting for mac-T to stick his neck out in the Media on behalf of Darkhorse again there pal, ha ha ha ha. You shall see who has been outwitted.

You might not get this but Eakins makes Darkhorse redundant, he is the real thing, Darkhorse is a revenue generator.

You need to make money to be selling something and that is not the case, all the data has been gratis, for free.

Anyone who states that I am selling the NHS is full of crap, I am furthering an idea and a philosophy, if it has value and has impact, thats not my problem now is it?

If the NHS evolves into anything bigger than it is and produces fiscal impact, there would be a non-disclosure agreement in place and you wouldnt even know about it.

This is the main reason I have released the data for free, so i couldnt be controlled or suppressed and so i could express myself freely and fully.

Glad to hear you are living in a safe environment, keep your guard up though you know what they say most accidents happen five minutes after you leave from home and five minutes after you leave to get home. Just sayin.

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#131 NewAgeSys
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Wish you the best in your endevour but can you keep your invention/investment out of the nation? Post on the articles in a way that doesn't come off as a highjacking of an article, give an opinion in under 500 words?

You suggest that you're good with numbers, systems and marketing. Start your own site.

It's offensive for a long time member to see that you're essentially soliciting your product on the oilersnation now.

@ Lofty.

- invention leads to investment which leads to the nation , illustrating userage on my part. You are a con job.

- hijacking leads to 500 words which activates a totally different issue but engenders many people to your perspective, you are a manipulator.

-tossing false positives like " youre good with numbers systems and marketing" but manipulating it by saying that prio"You suggest you are good at" is a dynamic lead to make people feel I am beating my own drum as if in a salespitch . You arent very good at this and you have no scruples.

- offensive leads to "long term members" which is another trigger to activate numbers to your perspective, you are a cheap shot artist as well.

- soliciting leads to a product which you bring back to Oilersnation again on yet another cheezy tactical move. Intended to lead people to believe I am selling the NHS for money and using the site as an advertising conduit, that is pure BS and you know it you weasel.

You ought to stop wasting your time making a fool of yourself and try to learn what a Tactical Dynamic Template is because you have just been completely exposed by a very simple one.

And dont try to intentionally misrepresent and slander the NHS or myself.

Moron, i post like crazy, people know what i represent like it or leave it and I dont change the beat I march to very much.

The first thing i would do as I have said in prior posts is demand the team i work with give money to a Charity on behalf of Oilers Nation.

Long term member or not, dont BS me or the NHS, or you will be exposed and I cant stop the degree to which it happens or how you feel afterwards.

The NHS was a by=product of an attempt to get a message across to the Oilers, its that simple, that message has been delivered so the conduit is no longer needed. However the NHS remains what it is , a superior system of playing hockey.

No money, no product, no office, no noteriety, no soliciting on ON, you are full of crap.

The NHS and I represent all of the opposite core values to your BS.

And if the NHS continues to evolve its valuation based on results, so be it, if one day a team comes to me and asks to utilise it, so be it, at that point you can open your trap, but until the UNTRUE ACCUSATORY things you talk about happen and I return here after that fact you have no right to attack or accuse me of anything. You Sir are out of line.

Just sit on your hands bite your tongue and hold your breath like you learned, the NHS will be utilised one day soon , and then you wont see another post from me, because you see Pal I have to much conviction and moral fortutude to make money and use this site or anyone the ways you accuse me of doing, and in person the gauntlet would fall, or cane I have one of those as well.

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#132 Lofty
June 12 2013, 06:37PM
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Your dribble is a waist zeros and ones. I am a long time member and I do know your input does not benefit the nation community.

Sling your turds and run redundant dribble all you want, it's a free world. Just know that your posts do nothing. People only comment on them because they're using a smart phone and getting through a couple of your "thoughts" brings instant tendinitis to the thumb.

I'm not fraud and I'm not sure how I would benefit to being one on this site. I'm not trying to sell anything.

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#133 Harlie
June 12 2013, 06:41PM
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#134 Harlie
June 12 2013, 06:59PM
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PS - Harlie is Charlie Huddy...get it...Harlie. Also, had a Harley and one day will again.

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#135 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 12 2013, 08:14PM
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Not to sound like a bleeding heart liberal...but....those who post here regularly have a pretty good idea what's up with New Age Sys......and if we think about it for a minute NAS probably needs to be a part Oiler Nation more than most of us...

So maybe we cut him a little slack....show him a little respect....and welcome him into the community......and maybe in return... And with a little encouragement...he'll agree to keep his posts under 100 words.....

I for one am committing to propping him every time he keeps it under 100...

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#136 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 12 2013, 08:18PM
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I mean......hell......if DSF and I can co-exist here in ON......anyone can!

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#137 Reagan
June 12 2013, 08:19PM
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Bruins still win the cup Jason. Curious to find out if Horcoff lands in philly ?

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#138 Lemming
June 12 2013, 08:35PM
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Wow, I'm a Canucks fan, and I wandered over here because I like knowing what's on the mind of rival teams and such...

But my condolences for this troll job you guys have here. He seems genuinely off his rocker.

As far as Eakins goes, it seems like a bit of a reflexive hiring, but probably not a bad one. The Oilers desperately need to develop their bottom-6 if they want to go anywhere though. Oh, and a goalie, hey, you guys in the market for a 33 year old with a lifetime contract? cough cough

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#139 DSF
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

I mean......hell......if DSF and I can co-exist here in ON......anyone can!

We can't.

You and NewAgeSys should move in together. :)

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#140 Taylor Gang
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Lemming wrote:

Wow, I'm a Canucks fan, and I wandered over here because I like knowing what's on the mind of rival teams and such...

But my condolences for this troll job you guys have here. He seems genuinely off his rocker.

As far as Eakins goes, it seems like a bit of a reflexive hiring, but probably not a bad one. The Oilers desperately need to develop their bottom-6 if they want to go anywhere though. Oh, and a goalie, hey, you guys in the market for a 33 year old with a lifetime contract? cough cough

No no no, Dipietro is 31!

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#141 madjam
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Sounds like NAS is an independent ad-hoc warrior , who dances outside the system to his own tune . And here we thought he was the brains behind the Oilers ? HMMM - maybe he is ,and that's why we have the results we have ?

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