13-14 QUESTIONS FOR 13-14

Lowetide
June 15 2013 06:49PM

Between now and training camp, we can expect a lot of changes. New GM Craig MacTavish will work all summer to upgrade the roster in areas of need--center, defense, goal. As we've done in past summers, let's have a look at some of the major questions and see if we can predict what is going to happen.

  1. Who will they take in the first round? Sean Monahan Oilers have three strong options. Deal up for Barkov, stay the course at 7 and select Monahan, Horvat or Nurse, or deal down in hopes Horvat is there (with Curtis Lazar as a possible backup plan). I think there are so many attractive options before Monahan that he slips to #7 and the Oilers grab him.
  2. Who will help Dallas Eakins coach? The Oilers have to put together a coaching staff that can come together quickly, so my guess is that Eakins adds Derek King from his AHL staff and the Oilers keep Steve Smith from last year's group. Mark Lamb completes the staff, with Kelly Buchberger moving to another role in the organization. 
  3. How will they improve the defense? MacT has already added the Russian Belov and I believe the club will be active during the summer, too. We've already heard rumors about Paul Ranger, and I believe Edmonton will add Russian defenseman Fedor Tyutin in a blockbuster deal. He'll help form a top 6D that might go Tyutin-Petry, Smid-J Schultz, N Schultz-Belov and Paul Ranger.
  4. What's the 'wow' trade? I think the Howson connection sees Edmonton acquire Tyutin, L RJ Umberger and C Ryan Johansen from the Blue Jackets in exchange for Sam Gagner, Martin Marincin and Ales Hemsky.
  5. Will they move Hall to center? No. I think the club will use Nuge, Johansen and two free agent signings/trades up the middle. I do not think Monahan makes the team under any circumstances. Among the candidates I can see arriving in Edmonton to play center: Alexander Burmistrov, Boyd Gordon.
  6. Who will the Oilers sign to backup Devan Dubnyk? I think the Oilers will find a way to trade for a suitable backup, perhaps Eddie Lack from Vancouver. I do like Jason Labarbera, but will guess that Ben Scrivens arrives in Edmonton in a summer trade.
  7. What will the top 2 lines look like in the fall? Nuge-Hall-Eberle with Johansen-Paajarvi/Umberger-Yakupov. The club may also attempt to sign a winger with size, but those guys are at a premium. 
  8. How many of their own rfa's does Edmonton sign? Only Paajarvi.
  9. Surprise opening night roster player? Ben Eager.
  10. What current roster player on another team has the best chance of being an Oiler in 13-14? Viktor Stalberg.
  11. Where does Horcoff land? Detroit or Florida or Edmonton.
  12. Why do they trade Gagner? Money. Tambellini not getting a long term deal done cost the Oilers. He blew it, and now MacTavish doesn't have enough coin.
  13. Why did they let Hartikainen go to the KHL? Three things: he didn't get a lot done (read: anything!) at even strength in the NHL, his conditioning wasn't where it needed to be and he is not a natural PF--he's not a mean player by nature.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

  • Nuge-Hall-Eberle
  • Johansen-Paajarvi-Yakupov
  • Burmistrov-Umberger-Stalberg
  • Gordon-Smyth-Brown
  • Lander-Eager
  • Tyutin-Petry
  • Smid-J Schultz
  • N Schultz-Belov
  • Ranger
  • Dubnyk-Scrivens

Nine additions. A summer of change.

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#52 Oilcan
June 15 2013, 07:51PM
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Would love to see the CBJ trade. What would it take to get burmistov out of Winnipeg? Would love to see a package deal for bogosion and burmistov.

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#53 Derek
June 15 2013, 08:15PM
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Lindholm is always left out.

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#54 PutzStew
June 15 2013, 08:16PM
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DSF wrote:

Let's examine the WOW trade in some detail.

Columbus takes on almost $10M in salary (when Gagner gets paid) in return for a top pairing defenseman, a player (Umberger) who is pretty much a match for Gagner in points scored and brings a lot more to the table and a former first round pick.

The Oilers are willing to throw in Marincin (who the Jackets don't need because they are loaded with D prospects) and an overpaid Hemsky.

The Jackets already acquired their "Hemsky" when they got Gaborik.

If you want a Jackets defenseman, start with Jack Johnson or go home.

True

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#55 PutzStew
June 15 2013, 08:17PM
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@Lowetide

Dosen't JD like coachable players? Why would he want Hemsky?

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#56 T__Bone88
June 15 2013, 08:29PM
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Friedman mentioned that Carolina might deal the 5th overall and that Edm was in possible conversations with them. If that happened the trade would look very similar to the Tor-Nyi trade that moved Tor up to grab Schenn. Best case scenario moving up to 5th is if Tampa takes Nichushkin which means Nashville would take Drouin leaving Barkov for Edm. At worst case they would end up with Monahan if Tampa took Drouin and Nashville took Barkov.

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#57 DigDeepNBleedBlue
June 15 2013, 08:40PM
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It's a guessing game for most of your assumptions, but the one I feel you hit the nail on the head is No. 9. Eager will be on the roster. He should have been during the last ten games of last season......

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#58 DSF
June 15 2013, 08:50PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Canucks look like they'll finally win the Stanley this year! Congrats!

Gagner has value, Jackets need a skill C and offensive help (Hemsky). The give up a prospect in Johansen but get one in Marincin.

The trade is Tyutin for Gagner, Hemsky for Umberger and the prospects for each other.

Oh, good grief.

Gagner for a top pairing defenseman? Good luck with that.

Hemsky at his $5M cap hit in return for Umberger with a lower cap hit and better performance when they've already acquired Gaborik?

And a centre prospect for a D prospect the Jackets don't need?

Have you even looked at the Jackets D depth?

Bottom line is the Jackets don't need Gagner, Hemsky or Marincin.

Why would they give up two of their best players to get them?

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#59 DSF
June 15 2013, 08:52PM
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NewfoundlandOil wrote:

Or put another way.....if you will tolerate my insolent behaviour......

Edmonton trades away 58 NHL points in 2012-2013 for 46 NHL points.

Yes you are right the trade suggestion is completely unrealistic.

Thanks for bringing the wet blanket to the discussion.

The fact that the Jackets traded for Gaborik is exactly why they will trade for "a" Hemsky....they need offence.

Obviously, they already got it.

Hemsky is no Gabrorik and Hemsky is vastly overpaid for what he delivers.

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#60 Oilers4ever
June 15 2013, 08:58PM
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Those are good suggestions but columbus would never do that trade. Gagner is small... Hemmer is injury prone.... And Marincin is unproven. Not a hope that deal happens.

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#61 RexLibris
June 15 2013, 09:00PM
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1. Who will they take in the first round? Wouldn't mind seeing Lindholm there, but as you say, the field is pretty wide open here, depending on how things break with the top six teams.

2. Who will help Dallas Eakins coach? Mark Lamb back to coach the Oilers? That almost seems too reasonable to believe.

3. How will they improve the defense? See below.

4. What's the 'wow' trade? Love to see that trade made, but the only thing I'd alter is giving up Musil over Marincin. Heck, I'd throw them virtually any other player on the Barons save Lander, Marincin and Gernat.

5. Will they move Hall to center? Agreed. Let Hall do that LW voodoo that he does so well. Burmistrov is interesting, but I'm not sure it comes to pass. I've been arguing for Gordon in Oilers silks for two seasons now, so no argument here.

6. Who will the Oilers sign to backup Devan Dubnyk? I've long ago given up getting too deep into goalie talk. It's all witchcraft and hocus pocus for all we can understand.

7. What will the top 2 lines look like in the fall? Nuge-Hall-Eberle with Johansen-Paajarvi/Umberger-Yakupov. The club may also attempt to sign a winger with size, but those guys are at a premium. (My response: please and thank you!)

8. How many of their own rfa's does Edmonton sign? Agreed on Paajarvi.

10. Surprise opening night roster player? Sidney Crosby! No? Fine then.

One thing that I think may come up this summer is the 2014 1st round pick (possibly with protections). I wouldn't put it past MacTavish to really lay the cards on the table and deal that pick for a player that "completes the picture" in his eyes. Put another way, being a former coach, I don't think he balks at giving his new guy the best tools he can to get the job done.

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#62 John Chambers
June 15 2013, 09:00PM
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LT - do you think the fact that Gagner isn't yet signed is indicative of the fact he's is play? Clearly Paajarvi is available and we would want to leave that contract up to the acquiring GM, but despite MacT raving about 89 the fact there don't appear to be contract talks to me is telling.

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#63 PeOiler
June 15 2013, 09:01PM
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Citizen David wrote:

I can't understand why you think Lazar will be a dud. Has all the tools. Worst case scenario he's a good third center. Best case he's a good second line center.

I like Lazar as well, but Marc Pouliot would like to speak with you about that worst case scenario..

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#64 RexLibris
June 15 2013, 09:05PM
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And when Salma Hayek dances on a table, this clip comes to mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3viQHsBFc4

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#66 RexLibris
June 15 2013, 09:08PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Im with you - I'd rather trade next years 1st than the current. Let another team gamble on where we'll finish while providing the motivation to rocket up the standings.

Emphasis on "rather". Personally, I don't trade 1st round picks on players intended to get a team into the playoffs. Once I've got a team that is headed there, then I make that trade one every three years at most to find the player that addresses both team need and roster depth. That being said, look at two teams who dealt away 1st round picks this year in St. Louis and Pittsburgh. What did either of those players get them this post-season?

No, keeping those 1st round picks is what keeps a team functioning at a decent level once they have a viable core established. Detroit rarely deals their 1st rounders anymore for precisely that reason.

I just bring it up because I think MacTavish is far less risk-averse than I.

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#67 DSF
June 15 2013, 09:11PM
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Artem Ansimov

Brandon Dubinsky

Mark Letestu

Ryan Johansen

Boone Jenner

Do you think the Jackets are so desperate for a centre they'll give up a top pairing D to get one?

I would think Gagner is #4 on that depth chart and Boone Jenner may well take his lunch money.

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#68 RexLibris
June 15 2013, 09:14PM
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Harold wrote:

Jagr or Kane

If I'm running the Oilers? Jagr. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that the Oilers make a strong pitch to him this off-season. He's the veteran presence this team needs.

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#70 John Chambers
June 15 2013, 09:16PM
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@RexLibris

Yeah there are basically two occasions to trade one's first rounder:

1) at the deadline, when a team wants to add a star like Iginla, Pominville, JBo, or Paul Gaustad (???)

2) in the offseason a full 11 months from the draft like when the Caps traded Varlamov to the Avs, or when the Leafs got Kessel. Offer sheets like Penner's are a derivative of this category.

I'm a fan of the Oilers dealing the '14 pick because at this point it will still hold high value, and because I don't want to cheer for losses after the trade deadline - not for a good long while

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#71 aguy
June 15 2013, 09:20PM
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I really don't like the Wow trade either. Marincin is the name I was least happy about. Those are all mostly sideways moves. Better leave the wheeling and dealing up to the big man.

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#72 John Chambers
June 15 2013, 09:22PM
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Lowetide wrote:

My fear in trading up to Carolina is they'll want a D. If they ask for a prospect, fine. But I don't think they will.

Obviously we wouldn't deal Klefbom to move up two spots, but you think Carolina would make the swap if the reward was Musil or Gernat?

I would deal Marincin, only if Barkov was still there at 5.

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#73 TigerUnderGlass
June 15 2013, 09:27PM
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@RexLibris

Detroit rarely deals their 1st rounders anymore for precisely that reason.

Is this the same Detroit teams that hasn't had a first round pick since 2010, has only had 2 first rounders in the last 5 years, and has only drafted in the first round in 5 of the past 15 drafts?

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#74 T__Bone88
June 15 2013, 09:31PM
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Lowetide wrote:

My fear in trading up to Carolina is they'll want a D. If they ask for a prospect, fine. But I don't think they will.

Moving a Smid/Petry/N. Schultz would be too much just to move up two spots. If one of those players were included something would be coming back from Carolina as well. In 2008 Tor included a 2nd and 3rd to move up from 7th to 5th.

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#76 admiralmark
June 15 2013, 09:49PM
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Lowetide could you be my GM for one off season?! No seriously I would be ecstatic with these moves. However a small unrealistic part of me is holding out for a miracle to move up and snag Barkov.

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#77 Walter Sobchak
June 15 2013, 10:15PM
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DSF wrote:

Dubinsky took 439 faceoffs and won 58.3% of them.

Get a grip.

Fool.

Agreed whole heartily.

I just would like to add a point here if I may DSF.

When people want to make trade speculations such as Lowetides, then I think the proper thing to do is maybe check the players availability.

If LT would have taken 10 second to check cap geek he would have noticed the NTC & NMC that both Umberger and Tyutin have.

This trade will never happen.....Ever!

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#78 Walter Sobchak
June 15 2013, 10:17PM
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RexLibris wrote:

I posted this over on the *other* site.

Rumours of Carolina looking to trade down or out make sense given that the other top four have more or less stated they refuse to deal.

Rutherford is now the sole owner of a highly valuable asset and he is likely getting a lot of calls on it.

My hope is that MacTavish offers him a package that scratches his "win-now" itch and moves up without giving up anything we haven't already identified as expendable.

I'd love to see the look of Feaster's face if the Oilers got to pick Barkov ahead of them.

This is very plausible and I've mentioned it enough, my feeling is this one is the trade that happens first.

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#79 Gurpreet Grewal
June 15 2013, 10:22PM
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Do you really think Oilers will trade a future top 4 defensman in Martin Marincin? I mean, I thought he would be a legitimate contender for a roster crack in the upcoming season man

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#80 Walter Sobchak
June 15 2013, 10:23PM
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Oilers G-that un-retired Haiku writing MotherF^%$er wrote:

All that tells me is that his C got thrown out of the circle often

Dubinsky is the centre, when he got hurt they slide Umberger over to fill in from time to time. You know that saying "if you aren't cheating, you aren't winning", my guess that's why he gots tossed a lot.

DSF is right, CBJ has great centre depth and Gaborik is Hemsky.

If this trade happens it will be for Dubinsky and Johnson.

You might start with Gagner but you might as well add Klefbom and Paajarvi, this trade won't be cheap.

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#81 MKE
June 15 2013, 10:42PM
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Scrivens is not the guy you want as your back up. I played with and against him for a long time. Especially if you are looking for someone to push Dubnyk.

Scrivens would be a major dissapointment and is a well below average goalie. Zero passion. Lazy. Someone who is not well liked in the dressing room. Take it from someone who has known him for a long time

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#82 MKE
June 15 2013, 10:45PM
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edit

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#83 Walter Sobchak
June 15 2013, 11:16PM
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MKE wrote:

Hemsky is a play maker. Gaborik is the sniper. CBJ still needs more high end talent. Hemsky CAN be that...if hes healthy and motivated. And a fresh start would probably help.

Ganger would also be on the first line if he was traded to CBJ.

Good points.

I completely agree that Hemsky is STILL a great player and I suppose CBJ could use another player with skill.

However, the point was that Hemsky and Gaborik are very much alike type players, hence the CBJ already has Hemsky, so the need isn't as strong.

I think Gagner is a fantastic player, but Dubinsky is a polished two way centre, I personally take the ten less points on average knowing I'm secure in all zones.

While Gagner is good Dubinsky is a better centre and Ansimov still has good upside.

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#84 TigerUnderGlass
June 15 2013, 11:35PM
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RexLibris wrote:

I stand corrected, they have dealt away 1st round picks in three of the last six years.

So 50% of the time.

I still believe it is a bad move, but I will readily admit that the Red Wings was a bad example.

Good catch.

It's only as high as 50% if you go back exactly 6 or 8 years. Weird that you'd pick 6 like that, especially since I already gave three sets of numbers. :)

Let's put it another way. How many teams have had more first round picks than Detroit over the last 10 years?

Answer: All of them.

Detroit literally trades their first round pick more often than every other team in the league.

I apologize for harping, but I can't help myself. When you hold out the very team most likely to trade their pick (by a mile as it happens) as a shining example of a team that keeps their picks, you have to expect it.

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#85 MKE
June 15 2013, 11:45PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Good points.

I completely agree that Hemsky is STILL a great player and I suppose CBJ could use another player with skill.

However, the point was that Hemsky and Gaborik are very much alike type players, hence the CBJ already has Hemsky, so the need isn't as strong.

I think Gagner is a fantastic player, but Dubinsky is a polished two way centre, I personally take the ten less points on average knowing I'm secure in all zones.

While Gagner is good Dubinsky is a better centre and Ansimov still has good upside.

I say this respectfuly. Gaborik and Hemsky are both offensive guys. But one is a 40 goal scorer and one is a set up guy. So they arent the same player.

Dubinksy is a very good two way player. Ganger is a higher end offensive guy. I agree id rather have Dubinsky. But with Letestu, and their other centers...to me they are all similar players.

You need a mix. You cant win with a team where all your centers are the same kind of player.

Then again its easy for us to sit and debate. Our jobs arent on the line lol.

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#86 stretch14
June 15 2013, 11:52PM
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What's the reasoning for your belief that the Oilers will acquire Tyutin in a "blockbuster" trade? Just baseless speculation?

Also do you really think Horcoff will list FLA as one of his 10 teams with his limited NMC?

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#87 Citizen David
June 15 2013, 11:55PM
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stretch14 wrote:

What's the reasoning for your belief that the Oilers will acquire Tyutin in a "blockbuster" trade? Just baseless speculation?

Also do you really think Horcoff will list FLA as one of his 10 teams with his limited NMC?

His reasoning is the Scott Howson connection. And team needs.

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#88 Quicksilver ballet
June 16 2013, 12:01AM
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I like Johansen, not big on the other two players though. Could we settle for a collection of deals to arrive at destination wow? Make deals for Scott Hartnell and Steve Ott to add some sandpaper to the lineup. Like to shrink down that Johansen deal to free up some players to do other deals with.

That was a bold move by the Flames to offer their 3 first round selections to Colorado, in exchange for the first overall, have to think they were taking a shot at MacKinnon with that move. Goes to show how much of a drop off there is in this draft after the top 3-5 selections.

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#89 Citizen David
June 16 2013, 12:03AM
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I think it was Lowetide over on his blog who once suggested picking up Patrick Thoresen. Sorry LT if I put words in your mouth but if his contract is up or he can terminate it I would be all over this move.

The problem with the Oilers is that all the pieces that have value I don't want to part with. I want us to keep Eberle and Gagner and Klefbom and Marincin and Pajaarvi. I think we have good high end pieces on forward but need better depth. Thoresen has dominated the KHL for the past four years and the Swiss-A before that. He also did very well in the SEL and the AHL. Even had great numbers in the QMJHL. His shot in the NHL was before his prime and he is definately a better player now then he was then. If he comes in here as a third line player that gives us a lot better scoring depth for nothing.

Of course if he is still in a binding contract then this is useless.

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#90 acg5151
June 16 2013, 12:16AM
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3/4) By doing this Columbus trades a good d-man, a rugged winger who can play on pretty much whatever line he's needed, and a center with plenty of upside and who is already pretty good, for a center who can't play defense but can score 40-50 points, a defenseman who isn't even in the NHL, and a winger who's always injured and whose best seasons are already behind him.

Also remember that the Blue Jackets do not need more defensive prospects - that is their strongest position in their prospect pool and they are about to add even more to it, I would wager that they draft at least one defenseman with one of their three picks, possibly Morrissey.

There is no way that Columbus makes that trade, unless the Oilers throw in some high picks.

4) Burmi isn't going anywhere. If anything, the Jets are going to offload the veterans playing ahead of him and possibly Claude Noel. If the Oilers want him, be prepared to pay through the nose for him, and if the Oilers don't want him to play on the top two lines, good luck holding onto him, because he wants to play higher in the lineup than the third line. I fully believe that Burmi would go to a bad team just to play on the top lines.

6) Eddie Lack isn't going anywhere, and neither is Ben Scrivens. The Canucks will need a backup for whichever goalie doesn't get traded, and Scrivens was more than capable for Toronto last season - and doesn't make that much $$$. Jason Labarbera is also doubtful - Phoenix has been high on him for a while.

10) Viktor Stalberg is probable - but the Oilers will need to pay big $$$ for him. He could slot in on the second/third lines and do fine. That would be a smart acquisition for the Oilers because there is no way that the Blackhawks can pay him.

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#91 The Worrier
June 16 2013, 12:20AM
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RJ Umberger? Seriously?!? Why?

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#92 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 16 2013, 01:04AM
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T__Bone88 wrote:

Friedman mentioned that Carolina might deal the 5th overall and that Edm was in possible conversations with them. If that happened the trade would look very similar to the Tor-Nyi trade that moved Tor up to grab Schenn. Best case scenario moving up to 5th is if Tampa takes Nichushkin which means Nashville would take Drouin leaving Barkov for Edm. At worst case they would end up with Monahan if Tampa took Drouin and Nashville took Barkov.

It was exciting to hear Friedman....up to this point the trading up scenario has been the option least talked about by Oilers management.....

Carolina paid a premium to sign Semin...if they took that kind of a chance on a Semin....it's not out of the question that they might also value a Hemsky ( similar type of player) .....also Carolina has been rumoured to be in the market for Dmen in the draft and the Oilers 7th guarantees them one of either Nurse or Ristolainen.....

Not sure about Carolina's cap space etc....Not even sure about the value of Hemsky ......but whatever it is we have to do to move up, I'm all for it.....

5th would do two things....1) it would give us either Barkov, Drouin, or Nickushkin.....beautiful..... And 2 ) as was already mentioned in an earlier post, it would move us a head of our arch rivals to the south.....what a steal that would be......makes it worth paying a premium that a lot of other teams might not be willing to pay.....I for one would definitely be willing to pay that premium.

This rumor/idea seems to have a lot of merit and would definitley exceed all the expectations I had for draft day.

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#93 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 16 2013, 01:23AM
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As for the deal with Columbus.....For me trying to calculate who might be in the deal is entertaining....but what's more important to me is the idea that Scott Howson has the inside goods on every player in the entire organization....who is highly valued, who is under valued, who wants to be in Columbus who doesn't...he even knows the details about players contracts etc, the kind of details that give you a competitive advantage when your trying to construct a winning deal.......in these situations knowledge is power........I would be very surprised if Columbus and Edmonton don't do some kind of deal......even though I have no particular idea who the players involved might be...

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#94 striker777
June 16 2013, 01:28AM
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Re: #4 proposal. I sure hope Marincin is not included in any trade deals. This kid is going to be a solid Chara-like defenseman for a long time.

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#95 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 16 2013, 01:34AM
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striker777 wrote:

Re: #4 proposal. I sure hope Marincin is not included in any trade deals. This kid is going to be a solid Chara-like defenseman for a long time.

Not saying it isn't possible.....but it is HiGHLY unlikely......guys like Chara are exceptionally rare....

I get the point that you said Chara LIKE......

But personally I think it's a few years too early to be making too bold a prediction about a kid who may or may not even have an NHL career......

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#96 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 16 2013, 01:38AM
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The Worrier wrote:

RJ Umberger? Seriously?!? Why?

Sounds like your worried 😰about Umberger......

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#97 NewAgeSys
June 16 2013, 05:27AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

It's only as high as 50% if you go back exactly 6 or 8 years. Weird that you'd pick 6 like that, especially since I already gave three sets of numbers. :)

Let's put it another way. How many teams have had more first round picks than Detroit over the last 10 years?

Answer: All of them.

Detroit literally trades their first round pick more often than every other team in the league.

I apologize for harping, but I can't help myself. When you hold out the very team most likely to trade their pick (by a mile as it happens) as a shining example of a team that keeps their picks, you have to expect it.

Nice observations.

The Wings always have a shopping list in hand and hey have learned to find the least risky spot on the learning curve to make their power become optimized and impactfull.

They know WHAT they want and the WHO part is secondary to them.

They look for specific pieces ALL the time because they have a specific template they are seeking to fill every single year the same way. This is continuity and consistancy of focus and intent being applied, specific resources of a specific degree are being pursued by the Red Wings.

They view the draft properly, and they arent ever really banking on the future, they are trying to remove as much risk as possible each and every draft by realising the best potential ways to translate a draft pick to create the optimal impact that they can manage.

It is a solid tactical perspective from their points of view.

They follow the same basic rules that I would follow, I just have more confidence in choosing the right players, they eliminate that risk as much as they can via timely trades. As I said not a bad tactic, not optimal but close.

I dont experience the risk factor as much as they do simply because of Intuition being on my side.

They have found unique ways to equivilate Statistical influences to Intuitive influences and have made a division in their decisionmaking process that simulates a nice balanced perspective. I am not going into it as it seems very labor intensive to me. By trading their draft pick for players they actually harvest other teams Intuition, they have simply looked at sucess and followed it instead if trying to manifest the Intuition component on their own and taking a greater risk than they need to. They are riding other teams majic carpets in exact and specific areas consistantly.

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#98 season not played
June 16 2013, 06:17AM
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Apologies for the length. Lowetide, while I admire your optimism and appreciate your contributions all summer long, sometimes I wonder about your prognostications regarding the oil in terms of player movement. I will not get into the unrealistic nature of your blockbuster deal with Columbus, but only ask the question that other than being a big body and pedigree, what has Johansen demonstrated that leads you to believe he will be produce top six offense? Anyway, I believe the bold move statement has been blown out of proportion and the team will more or less stay the course. I do not like making trade predictions due to the impossible nature of knowing what all parties may or may not be thinking, but here are a couple thoughts on potential moves. Why Stalberg? He is just a slightly more advanced version of Paajarvi. If I am MacT, I am finished blocking this player. Throw him with Gagner and Yakupov or Eberle and attempt to bring out the player who made the senior mens worlds all star team as a 19 year old. Too bad Horcoff isnt actually a team player or good captain(otherwise he would have accepted his role)so trade him for cheaper bottom six help if possible, or get what you can. He should have been purged with the other sense of entitlement group(Moreau)but Tambellini is more bumbling idiot than intelligent hockey man. Hemsky for more bottom six help. Players that gladly accept there roles and play smart gritty hockey. And yes, Eager probably earned another shot with his work in the playoffs in the ahl. On the blue, I push hard to sign Toni Lydman, who did nice work with Myers a few years ago, and try and sign Ranger. If I accomplish that, Nick Schultz goes for more bottom six help. I would work with Teddy Peckman and try to convert him to a swingman ala Strudwick as they need a willing pugilist and he also allows them to carry an eigth dman/fourth line winger. I will say they pull a nice signing and pick up Gordon.

Dubnyk Goalie Signing

LD Lydman Smid Ranger Belov

RD Petry Schultz Potter

LW Hall Paajarvi Smyth(unfortunately) Eager

RW Eberle Yakupov Nick Schultz Return Horcoff Return

C RNH Gagner Hemsky Return Gordon

Extra C/Wing Smithson

Swingman Peckman

Call Ups Lander Rajala Arcobello Pitlick Marincin Klefbom Teubert

The Oilers are not going to win the cup regardless of what they do this summer, and the above lineup likely does not make the playoffs, but with player growth, the stabalizing presence of Lydman and a more functional bottom six it might. This lineup also promotes internal player development and will allow the oil to maintain a manageable salary structure moving forward which will be critical in the coming years.

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#99 Spydyr
June 16 2013, 08:10AM
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I would much rather dissect a trade after , you know, it is actually made. Sitting around throwing names around is kinda fun , for a while , but it is the equivalent of milking a bull.

It does show how much a lot of Oiler fans over value their players. Think that is the same with most die hard fans though. They get emotionally attached to a player. Even GM's do it.In todays NHL players are assets not your friends if you're a GM. Let's see how Mac-T deals with that in regards to Smyth this summer.

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#100 Walter Sobchak
June 16 2013, 08:35AM
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MKE wrote:

I'm "the idiot" that said that. I say that because over his NHL career he has averaged 0.55 points a game.

Last year he has 20 points in 29 games.

Even if you take last year out, he's still averaging over 0.50 points a game over his NHL career.

So ya, i'd say that he more then qualifies as a two way forward.

I'll back that statement up as well.

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