FAST FORWARD

Lowetide
June 19 2013 09:49PM

The 2013 draft just got very interesting, as the consensus #1 (Seth Jones) is apparently #4 on the Colorado Avalanche draft list. Is the race that close this year? Math suggests there is a clear option for #1 overall, and the name at the top may surprise.

For several years now the gold standard for projecting junior, college, Euro and minor league stats into the NHL is Desjardins NHLE.

FORWARDS NHLE (per 82gp)

  1. Jonathan Drouin, Halifax (QMJHL)  19-30-49
  2. Sasha Barkov, Tappere Tampere (SM-Liiga) 18-22-40
  3. Elias Lindholm, Brynas (SEL) 15-25-40
  4. Nathan MacKinnon, Halifax (QMJHL) 17-22-39
  5. Max Domi, London (OHL) 15-18-33
  6. Hunter Shinkaruk, Medicine Hat (WHL) 14-19-33
  7. Sean Monahan, Ottawa (OHL) 13-20-33
  8. Anthony Mantha, Val d’or (QMJHL) 17-13-30
  9. Valeri Nichushkin, Chelyabinsk Traktor (KHL) 20-10-30
  10. Adam Erne, Quebec (QMJHL) 9-15-24

DEFENSE NHLE (per 82gp)

  1. Seth Jones, Portland (WHL) 6-17-23
  2. Darnell Nurse, Sault Ste Marie (OHL) 4-11-15
  3. Rasmus Ristolainen, TPS Turku (SM-Liiga) 3-10-13

Jonathan Drouin--most often mentioned as the third in the CHL trio of elite talents in this draft--is in fact the top offensive player available this year. The next three forwards--Barkov, Lindholm and MacKinnon--are all quality offensive players and of course MacKinnon's scouting report (and Barkov's) boast a wider range of skills.

Jones offense from the blue isn't earth shattering (Drew Doughty was 82, 6-23-29 NHLE) but he's right in the same range offensively as guys like Alex Pietrangelo, Zack Bogosian and Michael Del Zotto. Jones has a wide range of skills, so delivering that kind of offense along with all of the other elements makes him an impact prospect.

THE NEW MATH

The other reason Colorado may be going the forward route is history: defensemen taken high in the draft often fail to deliver value, and very often come into their own with their second organization (or later). Even a guy like Chris Pronger--a pure Hall of Famer--did much of his damage after being traded the first time.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The ugly truth is this: nothing has changed since Jason Gregor talked about defensemen and taking them high in the draft one year ago. No one would trade Nail Yakupov for Ryan Murray today, and the gap is extremely likely to widen moving forward.

It's easier to project forwards into the future, and Colorado is probably making the correct choice in going forward.

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#1 The Soup Fascist
June 19 2013, 11:22PM
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Is it a full moon? Any trade for Bernier, an unproven backup, that starts with Oilers 7th overall is lunacy.

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#2 EHH Team
June 19 2013, 11:16PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

MacTavish I know for a fact you read Oiler Nation so I'm gonna give you some advice:

1. 7th Overall + Pitlick/Gernat for Bernier

2. 2nd round pick + Marincin for Jake Gardiner

3. Tyler Bozak

4. Wild want Xenon Kenopka out. Lets get him for protection. Keep Brownie as well.

5. Sean Couterier for Sammy Gags straight across.

6. Magnus Paajarvi + Fedun/Arcobello for Nishushkinor 5th overall from Carolina.

Only follow these if you want to make the playoffs in 2014.

none of your trades work imo

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#3 FSD
June 19 2013, 10:39PM
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@GVBlackhawk

Oilers should offer Colten Teubert for Jonathan Bernier.

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#4 TeeVee
June 19 2013, 11:40PM
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What the F* has Bernier done to earn a #7 overall pick?

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#5 Tyler
June 20 2013, 09:11AM
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I'm still shocked by all the gagner haters and how they undervalue the guy. He does have defensive warts, however, not many 23 year olds have put up the pts that he has. I think no question, straight across, you'd have a handful of teams that would trade you a top 4-8 pick for him in a heart beat. If you can go Gernat or Musil, plus 7th, plus our 2nd rd (58 or whatever the later picks is) or Shultz Sr., for 4th/5th to grab Barkov then do it. He would look great on the LW/C and he can take over responsibility as he matures.

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#6 GVBlackhawk
June 19 2013, 11:53PM
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TeeVee wrote:

What the F* has Bernier done to earn a #7 overall pick?

Nothing. I think Lombardi had too many glasses of wine during supper if he was asking for the 7th plus Gagner. Hopefully MacT walked out and stuck Lombardi with the bill for suggesting that deal.

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#7 GVBlackhawk
June 19 2013, 10:35PM
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STEVE wrote:

THIS JUST IN:

Apparently MacTavish had supper with Dean Lombardi earlier this evening in Boston after the GM meetings today.

The subject if the dinner was based around Jonathan Bernier!

Rumor has it Mr. Lombardi wants Sammy Gags and 7th Overall. MacT thinks its too much for Bernier. Who knows where this could go?

Hopefully nowhere as that would be a gross overpay.

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#8 book¡e
June 20 2013, 09:18AM
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Wow -

Craig MacTavish and Lou Lamoriello were seen side by side at the Urinals of a Denny's Restaraunt. I think we can pretty much conclude that Gagner for Travis Zajac and a 2nd round pick is pretty much a sure thing.

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#9 Josh Oiler
June 19 2013, 10:40PM
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STEVE wrote:

THIS JUST IN:

Apparently MacTavish had supper with Dean Lombardi earlier this evening in Boston after the GM meetings today.

The subject if the dinner was based around Jonathan Bernier!

Rumor has it Mr. Lombardi wants Sammy Gags and 7th Overall. MacT thinks its too much for Bernier. Who knows where this could go?

I heard the same news! I agree with MacTavish. Gagner alone is worth more than Bernier.

Lombardi should stick to having dinners with Holmgren from Philly who has a history of crippling his team by overpaying for ridiculous unproven talent!

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#10 Smokey
June 20 2013, 06:55AM
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mlcselli wrote:

Lowetide--completely off topic, but I just want to share with your readers. Today at lunch, Kelly Bucburger was having lunch at Earls. When he was asked if there was any news he said there are big changes in the works, and that he will be returning behind the bench to start the new season. This might piss off some of us, (myself included), as we were looking for wholesale changes with the coaching staff. He didn't say anything when he was asked about Steve Smith. The person that spoke to him was my husbands business partner.

I'd take New Age as an assistant over Bucky.

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#11 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
June 20 2013, 07:20AM
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STEVE wrote:

THIS JUST IN:

Apparently MacTavish had supper with Dean Lombardi earlier this evening in Boston after the GM meetings today.

The subject if the dinner was based around Jonathan Bernier!

Rumor has it Mr. Lombardi wants Sammy Gags and 7th Overall. MacT thinks its too much for Bernier. Who knows where this could go?

did Lombardi at least buy MacT a drink before trying to violate him like that?

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#12 Ducey
June 20 2013, 09:20AM
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Dangilitis wrote:

Bernier has played 62 NHL games. 62. Most games in a season played for him is 25 (which Dubnyk has surpassed 3 times). Bernier career SPG .912, with up and down years and better D in front of him. Dubnyk 139 games and .913 SPG with consistently improved SPG year after year. So you want to bring in a less proven goalie to replace an "unproven goalie"? Bernier's value is only because of the shallow free agent pool this year, but a clever GM realizes this and doesn't spend the farm on him (apparently there are 5 interested teams so one will likely do so). As for the suggestion of an offer sheet, this is a much safer option. Or do it the nice way and just offer a 2nd round draft pick for the guy conditional on signing him. Any team beats this offer, let them have Bernier.

No way anyone in their right mind spends a 1st round pick on Bernier, much less a #7 overall pick and then throws in one of the top D prospects in Gernat.

I am not against trading Gagner but I can think of a thousand better trades involving him that can solve bigger gaps in the roster - like the lack of a top pairing D man. a #2C/W is more important to a team than a #2 goalie. Just ask NYR.

I don't know how the Oilers solve the lack of goalie depth but the only Free Agent who can legitimately challenge Dubnyk for starter is Khudobin. Bernier would be a good #2 with a shot at #1, but Dubnyk would still be favoured in that match-up based on previous experience. Maybe its safer to wait until trade deadline or next year than do something stupid.

Well put. You forgot to add in the fact that Bernier has put up his #'s behind a Stanley Cup Champion defense, while DD has been left to fend for himself many nights.

There is no need for MacT to rush on the goalie front. Someone (Philly among them) will trade for Luongo and Bernier. If MacT is smart he will just wait and scoop up the extra goalies that shake free when that happens.

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#13 Mitch
June 19 2013, 10:00PM
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I think this is Sakic's fist major bluff as GM.

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#14 Jake
June 19 2013, 10:01PM
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LT,

Where do you think Seth Jones will go in the draft? Is it possible he may fall to #5?

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#16 Baresnake
June 19 2013, 10:04PM
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Jones SHOULD be a great player for years on whatever team drafts him. Gotta pick a forward though. Don't blame Colorado at all. And MITCH, Sherman is still the GM in Colorado, he just doesn't do dick all now that Sakic is above him, and Roy is below him, both doing his job.

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#17 Jeffery
June 19 2013, 10:06PM
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I think Oilers have 1 player they want at #7 Sean Monahan and another group they would pick or trade down Lindholm and Nurse depending on return and one last group which they would trade down for Nichushkin.

Tomorrow I may change my mind.

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#18 WhattaMike
June 19 2013, 10:12PM
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Hey LT... I do like your info in today's article and it seems to be a good indication by you... that maybe apparently, this may turn out to be a very intiguing/surprising and entertaining draft.

Do you think the Oil should stand on their #7 and stay the course for BPA this yr?...or trade down surely if MacKinnon, Barkov, Nichushkin, Drouin, and jones are gone by the 5th pick? Cause I am wondering about Lindholm, Monahan, Nurse, Ristolainen...

Also, based on Robin Brownlee's great latest article ... (with the good hair humour too lol...) what do you think of the Oilers possibly dealing their #7 to Toronto..if thats the case...and who do ya think the TML prospect coming back could/should be? such as maybe one or two of Biggs, Colborne, McKegg or Reilly..or Gardiner, etc, or another?

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#19 Jake
June 19 2013, 10:15PM
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@Lowetide

So something like this

Col - Nathan MacKinnon

Florida- Jonathan Drouin

TB--Barkov

Nash- Seth Jones

I could see Carolina trying to trade up for Seth Jones. And Nashville being happy to pick between Lindholm and Nichushkin

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#21 STEVE
June 19 2013, 10:33PM
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THIS JUST IN:

Apparently MacTavish had supper with Dean Lombardi earlier this evening in Boston after the GM meetings today.

The subject if the dinner was based around Jonathan Bernier!

Rumor has it Mr. Lombardi wants Sammy Gags and 7th Overall. MacT thinks its too much for Bernier. Who knows where this could go?

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#22 Jason
June 19 2013, 10:37PM
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Would Oilers consider trading up for Seth Jones?

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#23 Shifty
June 19 2013, 10:38PM
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@STEVE

While Bernier is interesting, don't think the Kings need Gags, and I can't see us starting the year with 4 ahl centers.

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#24 WhattaMike
June 19 2013, 10:41PM
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To Steve...Nice to add to the rumours lol..but...Gags plus the Oilers second 2nd round pick (from Anaheim) makes better sense since if there is an offer sheet in the $3 to #3.5 mil range, and it is accepted...the Kings only get a second rounder anyways.

Now, also, the Kings are bad versus the cap upcoming and so what would they do if Gags wants $4.5 to $5 mil a yr right now???

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#25 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
June 19 2013, 10:41PM
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Jason wrote:

Would Oilers consider trading up for Seth Jones?

Have to wonder if the Oilers have even talked to him this last month, get a feeling if he would even come here if given the opportunity.

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#26 Josh Oiler
June 19 2013, 10:43PM
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FSD wrote:

Oilers should offer Colten Teubert for Jonathan Bernier.

I think Lombardi knew exactly what he was doing when he swindled Tambo with that sorry excuse for a hockey player. We did however get Klefbom.

Colton Teubert for a bag of hockey pucks and a six pack of Budweiser!!!

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#27 horndog77
June 19 2013, 10:50PM
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I don't remember such a confusing draft. It seems as if four to five guys could be drafted #1 overall. It's unfortunate that Edmonton drafts seventh. In the end I hope they either trade that pick for a proven defenseman or trade up for Sasha. I wouldnt mind seeing Nichushkin on a line with Yakupov either.

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#28 Hisam Saleh
June 19 2013, 10:51PM
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Could we only imagine Bernier/Dubnyk 1A and 1B. They say to build your team from the net out. We built it opposite?

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#29 Josh Oiler
June 19 2013, 11:00PM
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MacTavish I know for a fact you read Oiler Nation so I'm gonna give you some advice:

1. 7th Overall + Pitlick/Gernat for Bernier

2. 2nd round pick + Marincin for Jake Gardiner

3. Tyler Bozak

4. Wild want Xenon Kenopka out. Lets get him for protection. Keep Brownie as well.

5. Sean Couterier for Sammy Gags straight across.

6. Magnus Paajarvi + Fedun/Arcobello for Nishushkinor 5th overall from Carolina.

Only follow these if you want to make the playoffs in 2014.

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#30 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
June 19 2013, 11:23PM
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@Josh Oiler

I'll give you Gagner and Petry for Couturier.

Keep the change Josh.

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#31 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
June 19 2013, 11:27PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Is it a full moon? Any trade for Bernier, an unproven backup, that starts with Oilers 7th overall is lunacy.

Amen to that.

Not sure about you, but i'm in panic mode already. Feel the only direction that makes sense, is doing whatever possible to move up a few spots, not trading down.

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#32 SuntanOil
June 19 2013, 11:29PM
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@Josh Oiler

I hate to play the skeptic role yet here goes...

1. I don't get the love that people have for Bernier. He has yet to show that he is a better goalie than Dubnyk, in fact he has yet to prove conclusively that he is even as good as Dubnyk is. Still, so many would have us gut our organizational depth to get him in an Oilers jersey even though there is still no proof that it would make the Oilers a better team.

2. The Leafs would not do this deal. Maybe in four years, but then there would be no real point to it.

3. Maybe for a year or two, depending on the price. Before you sign him though, go back and watch the last ten minutes of game 7 against Boston. Take a look at the fear and resignation in his eyes. Then ask yourself how much you are willing to pay for that.

4. First of all - sources? Kenopka has had a couple of chances to sign here, but made it clear that he prefers to be out east. Plus he was horrible last season

5. I know Holmgren is silly but he is not that dumb. Never. If you believe it is possible, then don't forget to tell MacTavish how to sell the idea to Holmgren

6. Why would Carolina make that deal? The only way they make that deal is if you throw in the 7th with it. Oh wait, you want to give the 7th away to get that goalie who doesn't necessarily make us better.

Pfffft playoffs indeed. Remember - the idea of a rebuild is to build a team that will make the playoffs every year and at times contend for the cup. Everything you propose here takes us further away from that goal in my opinion.

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#33 Walter Sobchak
June 19 2013, 11:31PM
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I think this might be a bluff by Col to see if something shakes free.

Wondering if Col is looking for something else from FLA or TB an extra pick or player not to choose MacKinnon or Druin?

Colorado needs defense so bad the Oilers say "damn, your defense is bad!"

Whatever shakes lose I love draft time.

Still calling Jones uno # 1.

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#34 Walter Sobchak
June 19 2013, 11:32PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Is it a full moon? Any trade for Bernier, an unproven backup, that starts with Oilers 7th overall is lunacy.

Thank you.......dear god thank you.

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#35 The Soup Fascist
June 19 2013, 11:34PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Amen to that.

Not sure about you, but i'm in panic mode already. Feel the only direction that makes sense, is doing whatever possible to move up a few spots, not trading down.

Not sure if this is all posturing and misdirection among GMs, but there appears to be sufficient doubt being raised among the top 8 or so picks that I would (barring a stupid good offer) hang tough to #7 and see what is left at the buffet table. If you can move up ..... Why not?

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#36 Walter Sobchak
June 19 2013, 11:34PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Amen to that.

Not sure about you, but i'm in panic mode already. Feel the only direction that makes sense, is doing whatever possible to move up a few spots, not trading down.

Also, Thank you!

I was in Panic mode about a month ago when I heard that Mac-T was thinking about moving back or trading the pick!

Trade dead weight, keep the pick, you'll need it!

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#37 Dangilitis
June 19 2013, 11:48PM
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Bernier has played 62 NHL games. 62. Most games in a season played for him is 25 (which Dubnyk has surpassed 3 times). Bernier career SPG .912, with up and down years and better D in front of him. Dubnyk 139 games and .913 SPG with consistently improved SPG year after year. So you want to bring in a less proven goalie to replace an "unproven goalie"? Bernier's value is only because of the shallow free agent pool this year, but a clever GM realizes this and doesn't spend the farm on him (apparently there are 5 interested teams so one will likely do so). As for the suggestion of an offer sheet, this is a much safer option. Or do it the nice way and just offer a 2nd round draft pick for the guy conditional on signing him. Any team beats this offer, let them have Bernier.

No way anyone in their right mind spends a 1st round pick on Bernier, much less a #7 overall pick and then throws in one of the top D prospects in Gernat.

I am not against trading Gagner but I can think of a thousand better trades involving him that can solve bigger gaps in the roster - like the lack of a top pairing D man. a #2C/W is more important to a team than a #2 goalie. Just ask NYR.

I don't know how the Oilers solve the lack of goalie depth but the only Free Agent who can legitimately challenge Dubnyk for starter is Khudobin. Bernier would be a good #2 with a shot at #1, but Dubnyk would still be favoured in that match-up based on previous experience. Maybe its safer to wait until trade deadline or next year than do something stupid.

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#38 KJGILL
June 19 2013, 11:49PM
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Horton-Nuge-Ebs Hall-Sam-Yak MPS-Barkov-Bickell Brown-Lapierre-Smyth Jeff petry-(top 4 D). Smid-J Schultz Belov-Fistric/Potter

Sign horton. trade for D. trade up to 5th if Barkov is there. Sign bickell. sign fistric. sign bickell. with hemsky and horcoff gone you have loads of cap to resign sam and MPS with enough for the rest aswell

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#39 GVBlackhawk
June 19 2013, 11:59PM
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KJGILL wrote:

Horton-Nuge-Ebs Hall-Sam-Yak MPS-Barkov-Bickell Brown-Lapierre-Smyth Jeff petry-(top 4 D). Smid-J Schultz Belov-Fistric/Potter

Sign horton. trade for D. trade up to 5th if Barkov is there. Sign bickell. sign fistric. sign bickell. with hemsky and horcoff gone you have loads of cap to resign sam and MPS with enough for the rest aswell

Translation: overpay for UFA's who have had a strong Cup run and put the team into cap hell going forward.

Are you aware that the Oilers have to sign RNH, JSchultz, Petry, and Dubnyk next season? Your suggestions do not work.

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#40 nuge2nail
June 20 2013, 12:14AM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Take a look at how many players the oilers have signed past this year, and how much cap space they have.

The cap is going up each season, I imagine the cap will increase 5-7 million per year... I'm not sure where teams will spend their cap space on, free agency gets thinner and thinner each year.

I would look to acquire a player like Hiller, Halak, or Luongo to create a strength on the back end. If the newly awcuired goalie thrives and Dubnyk pans out we could have a valuable trade chip on our hands- possibly fill in a top 4 d spot with the depth. Who knows maybe MacT will be asking for a 7th and a 50 point center for Dubnyk this time next year(what a ridiculous offer by Lombardi, I want what he's smoking with my dinner tomorrow)

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#41 nuge2nail
June 20 2013, 12:16AM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Check capgeek- take a look at how many contracts the oilers have past this season. Cap space galore.

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#42 GUYYUG
June 20 2013, 12:18AM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

Translation: overpay for UFA's who have had a strong Cup run and put the team into cap hell going forward.

Are you aware that the Oilers have to sign RNH, JSchultz, Petry, and Dubnyk next season? Your suggestions do not work.

horton and bickell would cost less then hemsky and horcoff who can play first line and second line with big bodies. how would that put us in cap hell if mactavish is willing to bring back hemsky and horcoff if he doesnt get good offers? nick shultz opens up 3.5M for a third pairing and a 4th line center.

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#43 nuge2nail
June 20 2013, 12:24AM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Is it safe to say worst case scenario we end up with one of Lindholm or Monahan? If this happens we create a trade chip in Gagner down the road which can be used to fill a hole on defence.

Core 12: c: Hopkins, Lindholm- rw: Yakupov, Eberle - lw:Hall, - D: Petry, J Shultz, Klefbom

Gagner can be traded to bring in piece number 9, and we will need three solid ufa pickups to complete the core 12.

MacT has his work cut out for him, but if he's Creative this team can take a big step forward. He talks about rewarding fans by bringing in talent, I hope he starts with the goaltending and defence, rather than bottom six(which needs a complete overhaul as well).

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#44 mlcselli
June 20 2013, 12:30AM
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Lowetide--completely off topic, but I just want to share with your readers. Today at lunch, Kelly Bucburger was having lunch at Earls. When he was asked if there was any news he said there are big changes in the works, and that he will be returning behind the bench to start the new season. This might piss off some of us, (myself included), as we were looking for wholesale changes with the coaching staff. He didn't say anything when he was asked about Steve Smith. The person that spoke to him was my husbands business partner.

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#45 Kevin 64
June 20 2013, 12:36AM
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Check out cap geek theres 15m with just sam gagner and MPS as RFA trade away Nick Hemsky and Horcoff in packages and deals and buyout belanger. you got about 30m in space. No way oilers have cap problems. Horton-Nuge-Ebs Hall-Sam-Yak MPS-Barkov-Bickell Brown-Lapierre-Smyth Jeff petry-(top 4 D). Smid-J Schultz Belov-Fistric/Potter You can have that line up and be perfectly fine. or you can change it up a little bit maybe make a trade for JayBo and have a good scoring 4th line instead of 1 with 2 fighters on it.

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#46 WhattaMike
June 20 2013, 01:52AM
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Yes...If N.Schultz, Hemsky and Horcoff are traded, plus Belanger bought out, then that adds to about $15 mil extra in cap space this year before getting more players and re-signing Gagner and Paajarvi.

I think the Oil will go for Bernier or Khudobin for as the other type 1A goalie with Dubnyk...which can't be too much complained of yet... due to that both are still pretty young with high end potential.. and either should be quite better/healthier than Khabby was... and also, at only about the $3 mil per year range...say three to four years.

MPS will be at about $1.5 per yr at say two/three yrs...but Gagner becomes the screwed deal cause he wants likely about $4.5 to $5 mil a yr or be a UFA next season. He has to be tradeable now this summer, IMO.

The Oil are gonna sign both RNH (I think about $6 mil a yr) and J. Schultz (I think $4 mil a yr to $4.5) to new long term contracts this year at high end type money like Hall/Ebs, so that's another reason Gagner goes in a packaged type trade...for a defenceman.

This is why I think the Oil pick a centre at $7 with one of Lindholm, Monahan or even Horvat. The other Oiler needed centre will be a UFA/traded for vet at about 28 to 31 yrs old for the 3rd line. Same with the fourth line or...Lander slides in there with strong play at training camp.

I see Bickell, Stalberg, Horton and/or Gordon being offered a four yr type deal...if any have not yet resigned with their clubs.

So there goes the extra $13 to $15 mil per yr in my mind. But stil...there is still quite a bit of cap space to do all of the above aside from RNH, MPS, Schultz signings... so as to also go get a top #3 to #4 defenceman...maybe a #2...(hoping)

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#47 Oilers#1Fool
June 20 2013, 04:25AM
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SuntanOil wrote:

I hate to play the skeptic role yet here goes...

1. I don't get the love that people have for Bernier. He has yet to show that he is a better goalie than Dubnyk, in fact he has yet to prove conclusively that he is even as good as Dubnyk is. Still, so many would have us gut our organizational depth to get him in an Oilers jersey even though there is still no proof that it would make the Oilers a better team.

2. The Leafs would not do this deal. Maybe in four years, but then there would be no real point to it.

3. Maybe for a year or two, depending on the price. Before you sign him though, go back and watch the last ten minutes of game 7 against Boston. Take a look at the fear and resignation in his eyes. Then ask yourself how much you are willing to pay for that.

4. First of all - sources? Kenopka has had a couple of chances to sign here, but made it clear that he prefers to be out east. Plus he was horrible last season

5. I know Holmgren is silly but he is not that dumb. Never. If you believe it is possible, then don't forget to tell MacTavish how to sell the idea to Holmgren

6. Why would Carolina make that deal? The only way they make that deal is if you throw in the 7th with it. Oh wait, you want to give the 7th away to get that goalie who doesn't necessarily make us better.

Pfffft playoffs indeed. Remember - the idea of a rebuild is to build a team that will make the playoffs every year and at times contend for the cup. Everything you propose here takes us further away from that goal in my opinion.

When does it stop being a rebuild and start being incompetence! In my opinion a rebuild is not doing lousy and drafting high. A rebuild takes time I agree but the uselessness of the management is on display! hopefully macT can pull them together via trades and put together some winning seasons. It's hard enough to bring in talent. I would hate to see the state of things if they bungle this "rebuild". (Wich is goin into its 4th year!) how many chances to blow it does Lowe get because of his rings as a player? His success as management Has been mediocre at best

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#48 Twoskidoos
June 20 2013, 06:13AM
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@Josh Oiler

I always bug TO fans for overvaluing their players....

None of those are what MacT should or is going to do.

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#49 Smokey
June 20 2013, 06:51AM
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STEVE wrote:

THIS JUST IN:

Apparently MacTavish had supper with Dean Lombardi earlier this evening in Boston after the GM meetings today.

The subject if the dinner was based around Jonathan Bernier!

Rumor has it Mr. Lombardi wants Sammy Gags and 7th Overall. MacT thinks its too much for Bernier. Who knows where this could go?

Lol, is it April fools. I'd start the fire MacT chant if he traded one of those assets for Bernier. Berniers worth a early second rounderor mid grade prospect.

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#50 Smokey
June 20 2013, 07:01AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

MacTavish I know for a fact you read Oiler Nation so I'm gonna give you some advice:

1. 7th Overall + Pitlick/Gernat for Bernier

2. 2nd round pick + Marincin for Jake Gardiner

3. Tyler Bozak

4. Wild want Xenon Kenopka out. Lets get him for protection. Keep Brownie as well.

5. Sean Couterier for Sammy Gags straight across.

6. Magnus Paajarvi + Fedun/Arcobello for Nishushkinor 5th overall from Carolina.

Only follow these if you want to make the playoffs in 2014.

Wow it must be April Fools.

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