RUMOUR MILL IS GETTING HOT...

Jason Gregor
June 19 2013 11:34AM

The next three weeks will be extremely exciting for hockey fans. Compliance buyouts could start as early as Monday, June 24th, or as last as Friday, June 28th, the 2013 NHL entry draft happens Sunday, June 30th and the free agent signings occur July 5th.

Between now and then we will hear some juicy rumours, witness some interesting trades, debatable draft selections and some horrendous UFA signings.

I can't wait, and thankfully we won't have to with copious speculation already circulating around the hockey world.

Here's some of the big stories already floating around.

Beat writer for the Pittsburgh Penguins, Josh Yohe, had a strong piece on why the Penguins will trade Kris Letang. 

Shero is fairly confident Letang has become a must-move player. 

That is true because Letang is not the consensus best defenseman on the Penguins, at least in the eyes of management and coaches.

That is true because the Penguins are deepest on defense among top prospects, including a couple of first-round picks from last summer (Derrick Pouliot and Olli Maatta).

That is true even though terms of Malkin's new contract will provide the Penguins with more cap room to keep good players around him and Crosby — if the cap increases annually under this labor contract, as it did during the last one.

The Penguins are set up for Letang to count around $6 million against the cap and to continue paying Crosby ($8.7 million), Malkin ($9.5 million), right winger James Neal, Martin and goalie Marc-Andre Fleury ($5 million apiece). Evidence of that was their offer to Staal, who would have counted about $5.75 million annually against the cap had he stayed — and that was with Letang taking up $3.5 million in space.

Letang, 26, a first-time Norris Trophy (top defenseman) finalist, aims to at least double his current salary on any new deal. He was the only NHL defenseman to average a point per game during the regular season. He is in his prime. 

According to Yohe the Pens are prepared to pay Letang $6 mill/year, but nothing more. Letang is very good offensively, more physical than some think, but some question his defensive zone play. The Penguins have the luxury of having the best offensive one-two punch (Crosby and Malkin) in the NHL, so they can risk moving a proven puck moving D-man.

I suspect playing with Crosby and Malkin might hurt Letang, because some wonder if they make his stats (points and advanced) look better than he is. I'd guess they do to an extent, but I still believe many teams would be interested, and I'd put the San Jose Sharks near the top of that list. Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau and Dan Boyle have one year remaining on their contracts, ( a combined $20.56 million), and Doug Wilson loves puck movers and he isn't afraid to make major trades.

Before you scream Letang doesn't deserve to be paid like Shea Weber, keep in mind Brian Campbell makes $7.14 million.

LETANG IN EDMONTON

Letang would be the #1 pairing D-man the Oilers desperately need, but what is the asking price?

Would the #7 pick in this year's draft, Jeff Petry (#4 D-man) and a young forward get it done?

The Canes gave up the #8 and Brandon Sutter (3rd line C) to get Jordan Staal last year. Letang is worth more, but how much? Pens might ask for Paajarvi, but would they settle for something less? I don't know, but I'm curious to see if the Pens and Letang can't reach a new deal what is asking price would be.

AVS PASSING ON JONES?

"If we do pick first, we're leaning more toward one of those three forwards," Avalanche executive vice president of hockey operations Joe Sakic said in Adrian Dater's article yesterday.

Is this a bluff by Joe Sakic, or is Colorado seriously looking at one of Nathan Mackinnon, Jonathon Drouin or Alexander Barkov? In 2009 there was talk the Islanders might take Matt Duchene instead of John Tavares, in 2010 it was Taylor vs. Tyler, in 2011 there were rumours the Oilers would trade down and last year it was Nail Yakupov or Ryan Murray.

In every case the projected #1 pick went first overall, but I don't recall Garth Snow or Steve Tambellini/Kevin Lowe suggesting they wouldn't pick the consensus #1. Seems like an odd approach from the team holding the #1 selection.

While Sakic isn't the GM, in title, it is clear he is the main decision maker. His comments just made the final 10 days leading up to the draft more interesting.

Do you think the Avs will pass on Jones and take a forward, trade down or that this is a bluff and they will stick with Jones?

THE HOCKEY NEWS...SAY WHAT?

Dater tweeted this yesterday:

The Hockey News will name Detroit-Colorado biggest rivalry of all time in NHL history.

You could make an argument that the Wings/Avs was the best rivalry of the past 20 years, but to suggest it was the best of all-time tells me the Hockey News is trying to appeal to the younger demographic, or an All-American one.

Between 1996 and 2002 the Avs/Wings combined to win five Stanley Cups, met five times in the playoffs and in three of those meetings the winner went on to win the Cup. It was a great rivalry but it isn't the best of all-time.

The Oilers and Flames combined to make eight consecutive Stanley Cup appearances between 1983-1990, winning six of them. It was an epic battle during the playoff and the regular season.

The Leafs and Habs have met 15 times in the playoffs, but none since 1979, and only twice since the 1967 expansion. You can say it was easier to meet in the playoffs during the original six era, but these two combined for 10 straight Cup appearances from 1951-1960, and they won 7 championships.

The greatest rivalry is the Habs/Bruins. They've met 33 times in the playoffs, and while the Habs dominated the series for a 45 year stretch, the Bruins have won 7 of the last 11 series. No rivalry has lasted longer, and while Detroit/Colorado was good for seven years, it isn't even in the top-three of all-time.

PARTING SHOT...

Took this pic in Vegas. I'm guessing most of you feel this way, yet you still eat there. Convenience store owner must have a good sense of humour.

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#51 Mike Modano's Dog
June 19 2013, 02:20PM
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Jason, as a former HUGE Hartford Whalers fan they should have included the Montreal Canadiens with them. They had some EPIC battles in the playoffs. Unfortunately, the Habs always ended up somehow coming out ahead...after mounting a comeback.

So they were definitely a rival of Hartford's, but I suppose you can't have everybody & Montreal! lol...

P.S. Edmonton should have been another of Hartford's rivals too. Few teams could keep up to the Oilers scoring. They were the only team that ever just went goal for goal with Edmonton, that I can remember. I LOVED those games...

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There's absolutely no chance MacT and Co. go after Letang. Especially at the price some have suggested.

$7M/year is a bit steep for a one trick pony. MacT won't get caught up in the hype.

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#53 JB
June 19 2013, 02:45PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

I had Jim Nill on my show yesterday. I'll have transcript up today.

Barkov could be gone by #4. You don't make the trade until first 3 picks are done, if at all.

Don't see Pittsburgh trading Letang for Petry, Paajarvi and Marincin/Gernat.

Gregor, do you see Dallas as a landing spot for Horcoff given their massive hole down the middle. Does Hemsky/Horcoff for Cole/Daley make any sense?

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#54 CaptainLander
June 19 2013, 02:46PM
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@Bicepus Maximus - Peter, The Great. Potter, the Goat.

Agreed 7 mil is a lot for Letang, he is good but far from 7-8 mil defense men like Chara, Suter, Weber etc.

I see Letang as an established J Schulz, not sure he helps the Oil with their defensive issues. Now what would it take to pry Pietrangelo out of St. Louis, probably more then we want to give up.

Gags, Marincin, 2013 1st? and 2014 st? Or does Ebs or Yak need to be in the list?

or just an offer sheet?

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#55 Taylor Gang
June 19 2013, 02:47PM
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I'm with the group that thinks that stars don't get traded for other stars.

Thornton, Gaborik, Nash, Pronger. None of these players were traded with a star going the other way. I like to think that stars are traded for more balance in the lineup; that is something the Oilers should consider in the next little while.

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#56 jadeddog
June 19 2013, 02:49PM
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In what universe is Letang (an over-rated dman) worth more than J. Staal?

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#57 DSF
June 19 2013, 02:54PM
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Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 5m

#Oilers MacTavish #Leafs Nonis had good 10 min talk after GM meeting. Could Tor move up in draft for D man in return?

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#58 Jerico
June 19 2013, 02:54PM
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1Col -NM 2Col - JD 3TB - SJ/VN/AB 4 Nash-

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#59 Oiler Al
June 19 2013, 02:54PM
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Reasonable facsimile , if you want a puck moving defense man,.. Nick Leddy, shoots, left, 4 years younger at half the price.

He's an RFA, not sure what Chicago's intentions are?

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#60 godot10
June 19 2013, 03:01PM
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Acquiring Letang would be a rebuild killer. In a hard cap world, value for money matters.

1) Letang's offense is inflated by playing with Crosby and Malkin.

2) Letang was horrible defensively against a heavy Boston Bruins team. The Oilers are moving into a conference with 3 heavy teams. LA, San Jose, and Anaheim. And two very good cycling teams, Vancouver and Phoenix.

3) $7 million for Letang also breaks the Taylor Hall salary cap.

4) Justin Schultz will be Kris Letang by the time the Oilers are contending. So paying full value for Letang's offense, when the Oilers' really need better two way big defenders (who can make a breakout pass AND handle the big divisional teams) is a waste of cap money.

Trading three players with size (the #7, Paajarvi, and Petry) for a smal offense only defenseman on a full value mega-contract is the height of whale-hunting stupidity, IMHO.

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#61 The Soup Fascist
June 19 2013, 03:05PM
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DSF wrote:

Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 5m

#Oilers MacTavish #Leafs Nonis had good 10 min talk after GM meeting. Could Tor move up in draft for D man in return?

If you are MacTavish is a Gardiner or Franson enough to give up #7 for #21? Typically a pretty big difference in talent in those 14 spots.

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#62 godot10
June 19 2013, 03:10PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

7th + Petry + PRV for Letang is highway robbery.

For PIttsburgh.

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#63 Gerald
June 19 2013, 03:24PM
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@DSF

Nonis was with Vancouver and so was MacT. Both are good guys, so the fact they are talking does not mean much.

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#64 The Soup Fascist
June 19 2013, 03:30PM
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DSF wrote:

Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 5m

#Oilers MacTavish #Leafs Nonis had good 10 min talk after GM meeting. Could Tor move up in draft for D man in return?

Looking at the last dozen drafts, other than one year where #21 ended up clearly better than #7 and a couple of judgement calls, there would appear to be a fairly big gap in talent.

2012 - Dumba vs. Jankowski

2011 - Sheifle vs. Noesen

2010 - Skinner vs. Riley Sheahan

2009 - Kadri vs. John Moore

2008 - Colin Wilson vs. Anton Gustafsson

2007 - Voracek vs. Riley Nash

2006 - Okposo vs. Bob Sanguinetti

2005 - Jack Skille vs. Tukka Rask (oops)

2004 - Olesz vs. Wolski

2003 - Suter vs. Mark Stuart

2002 - Lupul vs. Babchuk

2001 - Komisarek vs. C. Armstrong

Overall a fair bit of talent difference. Especially in a draft where there is a reportedly a dropoff after 10 to 12. Proceed with caution.

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#65 vetinari
June 19 2013, 03:43PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Looking at the last dozen drafts, other than one year where #21 ended up clearly better than #7 and a couple of judgement calls, there would appear to be a fairly big gap in talent.

2012 - Dumba vs. Jankowski

2011 - Sheifle vs. Noesen

2010 - Skinner vs. Riley Sheahan

2009 - Kadri vs. John Moore

2008 - Colin Wilson vs. Anton Gustafsson

2007 - Voracek vs. Riley Nash

2006 - Okposo vs. Bob Sanguinetti

2005 - Jack Skille vs. Tukka Rask (oops)

2004 - Olesz vs. Wolski

2003 - Suter vs. Mark Stuart

2002 - Lupul vs. Babchuk

2001 - Komisarek vs. C. Armstrong

Overall a fair bit of talent difference. Especially in a draft where there is a reportedly a dropoff after 10 to 12. Proceed with caution.

How dare you say that there is a big drop off between Dumba to Jankowski???? Jankowski?????

Well, I almost got through that with a straight face....

Point well made, Soupy.

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#66 WhattaMike
June 19 2013, 03:45PM
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Looking back at what I heard that Jason Gregor learned from Jim Nill yesterday and what Bob Stauffer reiterated today.... A type veteran good faceoff centreman is wanted by the Dallas Stars and...because of this... I believe that MacT will try to trade Horcoff for one of a defenceman prospect such as possibly like Joseph Morrow (6'1" 204 lbs) or Cameron Gaunce(6'1" 203)...maybe plus a 3rd round pick(68) or 4th round pick (101).

If the Oil pay some of Horcoff's contract...I wonder if this would be a good situation...

Does anyone think this could happen?

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#67 DSF
June 19 2013, 03:45PM
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Gerald wrote:

Nonis was with Vancouver and so was MacT. Both are good guys, so the fact they are talking does not mean much.

Nonis was already in Toronto when MacT coached the Wolves.

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#68 Tikkanese
June 19 2013, 03:56PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Could go either way, who's zooming who...

Tom Gilbert could get you 30 pts a year playing with Crosby and Malkin, no?

#1 You people way overrate Petry. PRV is going to be a 3rd liner here and the same in 3/4 of the rest of the league if not more

#2 Gilbert? What's your point? A career 30-35 point D man? Letang is nearly a Point Per Game the last two seasons. You're seriously comparing Gilbert to Letang? WOW.

#3 How could that go either way? It'll be 4+ years before that #7 pick is anything good. If ever. Letang will have another 200+ points in that time. Robbery for the Oil, plain and simple.

#4 Pitt will not trade Letang, this is just smoke screens for negotiations. They'll trade Fleury before Letang

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#69 Eddie Shore
June 19 2013, 03:57PM
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Justin Schultz is not Kris Letang. Letang is a proven #1 dman and he is waaay more physical than Schultz. A top dman is something everyone has agreed the Oilers need and now when one is seemingly available we dont want to give up anything or pay the type of money he commands.

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#70 DSF
June 19 2013, 03:59PM
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If you are MacTavish is a Gardiner or Franson enough to give up #7 for #21? Typically a pretty big difference in talent in those 14 spots.

Cody Franson is a big (6'5" 215) right shooting defenseman who scored 29 points and was +4 last season. (6 points in 7 playoff games).

He's only 25 years old so he still has some upside.

In other words, he outscored Justin Schultz and went +4 on a team with only a slight goal differential.

He would likely be the Oilers best defenseman right out of the blocks.

If the Oilers are looking for a defenseman who fits the young core, he would be absolutely perfect and Toronto is the place to find to find a young talented defenseman. They have them coming out of their ears.

Where do I sign?

(By the way, I suggested the Oilers should have acquired him 2 years ago when he was on the outs with Ron Wilson and likely could have been acquired for a draft pick. Of course I was shouted down by the masses.)

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#71 DSF
June 19 2013, 04:02PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Looking at the last dozen drafts, other than one year where #21 ended up clearly better than #7 and a couple of judgement calls, there would appear to be a fairly big gap in talent.

2012 - Dumba vs. Jankowski

2011 - Sheifle vs. Noesen

2010 - Skinner vs. Riley Sheahan

2009 - Kadri vs. John Moore

2008 - Colin Wilson vs. Anton Gustafsson

2007 - Voracek vs. Riley Nash

2006 - Okposo vs. Bob Sanguinetti

2005 - Jack Skille vs. Tukka Rask (oops)

2004 - Olesz vs. Wolski

2003 - Suter vs. Mark Stuart

2002 - Lupul vs. Babchuk

2001 - Komisarek vs. C. Armstrong

Overall a fair bit of talent difference. Especially in a draft where there is a reportedly a dropoff after 10 to 12. Proceed with caution.

If you add the value of a player like Franson to the 21st pick, that gap gets bridged really quickly.

I'm not sure Toronto would do that deal but I sure as hell would throw in Hemsky to get it done.

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#72 The Soup Fascist
June 19 2013, 04:05PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Justin Schultz is not Kris Letang. Letang is a proven #1 dman and he is waaay more physical than Schultz. A top dman is something everyone has agreed the Oilers need and now when one is seemingly available we dont want to give up anything or pay the type of money he commands.

Agreed. Letang is much better. But he is also 3+ years older and just finished his 6th NHL season playing with a vastly superior hockey team.

Check back in three or four years.

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#73 Eddie Shore
June 19 2013, 04:10PM
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@The Soup Fascist

My point, that I didn't make very clear, was that they are different players. They both will put up points but Letang plays much more physical and plays with an emotional edge. Do you think you'll ever see Schultz drop the gloves?

I hope Schultz is a Norris finalist in 3 years but I disagree with people saying Schultz will be Letang.

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#74 WhattaMike
June 19 2013, 04:13PM
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Franzen and the 21st pick for the Oilers' #7????....I think that there may be an added player here but this is a definite do-able type deal...if Eakins likes Franzen.

He has.... very decent puck skills, has offence and can skate very well for being 6'5" tall.

The Oil do apparently like Fredrik Gauthier as a centre prospect too and he likely would be there at #21....

I dunno though cause I think the Oilers want that #7 pick to deal better with when assessing the now open choice rumours going on with Col, TB, Carolina, etc, and their picks.

Also...Do not put aside Bryan Murray's Senators new offering of one to two prospects and #17...for anywhere from #4 to #8 picks

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#75 The Soup Fascist
June 19 2013, 04:21PM
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If you add the value of a player like Franson to the 21st pick, that gap gets bridged really quickly.

I'm not sure Toronto would do that deal but I sure as hell would throw in Hemsky to get it done.

Yeah, myself not so much. If you think Hemsky and his contract have zero value - sure. I think Hemsky is a bit more than a throw in though.

I guess the point is ... it's a gamble. Would the Oilers trade a Rusty Olesz for Franson and Wolski - sure. Would they trade Ryan Suter for Mark Stuart and Cody Franson - very unlikely. Would you trade Kadri for Moore and Franson - again no.

Would you trade Dumba for Jankowski and Franson ... well our friends in Calgary have enough to deal with already, let's not rub their noses in it.

As a straight across deal I would consider the deal, but as I said, tread lightly. The above indicates that typically #7 is a much better player than #21. Excluding the last couple of drafts who have yet to play out, Skinner, Kadri, Voracek, Okposo and Lupul are solid top six guys, Komisarek has been a solid (though grossly overpaid) D-man and Suter is a clear #1. That is 70% of these guys are impact players.

On the other side of the ledger Rask is a full-on stud and Colby Armstrong is a solid third liner. 20% success rate. The rest are essentially busts or pluggers to date.

Not sure Cody Franson is enough to make me want to roll loaded dice.

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#76 The Soup Fascist
June 19 2013, 04:27PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

My point, that I didn't make very clear, was that they are different players. They both will put up points but Letang plays much more physical and plays with an emotional edge. Do you think you'll ever see Schultz drop the gloves?

I hope Schultz is a Norris finalist in 3 years but I disagree with people saying Schultz will be Letang.

Fair enough. I don't think of Letang as an overly physical guy but Schultz is certainly markedly less robust. I am not saying Schultz will be Letang. I think he is going to be more of a Mike Green type (though hopefully a bit less of a train wreck in his own end).

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#77 madjam
June 19 2013, 04:37PM
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Buffalo site seems to think Ristolainen there best option to join with Joel Armia from last years draft . Interesting . Philly wants Risto or Nurse . Interesting . Maybe a 3 way deal for us for players , and maybe just shuffling/using our draft pick ? What might MacT. have in store here ?

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#78 Walter Sobchak
June 19 2013, 04:37PM
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After watching Boston throw Letand around like a rag doll, I'm not at all convinced he's worth 7 million when it counts.

I never seen a player on his a$$ more then Letand during a series before.

7 million can be spent in better ways. IMO the cost to get Letand would cripple the Oilers.

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#79 Truth
June 19 2013, 04:42PM
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How about Morgan Reilly for #7?

Edmonton gets a young puck moving defenceman that has at least 1 year of seasoning post-draft. Toronto gets a center in Monahan or Lindholm and the chance at Nichushkin. Leafs obviously have considerable depth at D, need a center.

I personally don't like the idea of it, but it's plausible.

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#80 Racki
June 19 2013, 04:55PM
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I like Letang, but he's not the guy I build a team around, personally, so I wouldn't give up 1st, Petry and another player, personally. I think that's the right idea, but I'd be shipping that kind of package for a guy like Pietrangelo, or Weber (which unfortunately can't be done since the draft is before Weber can be traded), or someone like that (big hitters, solid defense, good offense). But I do think this is the right idea.

I'd even give up MORE to get that franchise d-man because I think Gord Miller hit it on the head with some tweets today... this is who championship teams build around.. the Charas, Prongers, Doughtys, Lidstroms, etc. Letang though? Hell of an offensive player, and yes, great hitter, but it's a defenseman, not an offenseman. D-men have to excel at D first and foremost. You can get away with having some guys with more of an offensive bias, but my go-to blueliner has to be a guy who is tops in his own end first and foremost, and any offense on top of that is icing on the cake.

That said, Letang might actually be able to be reeled in and play a stronger D-game. It's possible he's just given a lot more rope than maybe he should be given. After all, he did win the Kevin Lowe Trophy in his Q days (awarded to best *defensive* defenseman).

But yah, if you're a d-man making $7m+ (which is probably what he'd get, approx), you best be a heck of a defensive d-man. Just my 2 cents.

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#81 Quicksilver ballet
June 19 2013, 04:59PM
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@Tikkanese

Wow, i'm not sure where you went to school, but i'd be asking for a refund if I was you.

385 gms played, with a grand total of 209 pts.

That certainly screams a point a game player to me. Let me apologise to all the mathletes on this forum.

209 divided by six, equals about 35 pts a season, correct? Isn't that what Tom Gilbert would get you if he played with Crosby and Malkin.

I didn't cherry pick any stats. Instead of a small sample size, I chose to include his NHL career to date. Hope this is still accurate according to your world.

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#82 madjam
June 19 2013, 05:10PM
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Letang may want $7M but I doubt he gets it this year . Arbitration candidate ? Why would Oilers , or anyone else, trade valuable players or draft picks for such a contract ?

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#83 Smokey
June 19 2013, 05:25PM
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Oilers should stay away from letang! The asking price will no doubt be too high. His salary will be bloated and our defence is already too soft! We need to get big and MEAN on the back end! Wear down the other team forwards

Ya, I agree. His numbers are inflated on Pittsburgh. He'd still be a good pick up, but I would not sell the farm to get him. Injuries are also a concern. He's a couple concussions from being gone.

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#84 godot10
June 19 2013, 05:26PM
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Yeah, myself not so much. If you think Hemsky and his contract have zero value - sure. I think Hemsky is a bit more than a throw in though.

I guess the point is ... it's a gamble. Would the Oilers trade a Rusty Olesz for Franson and Wolski - sure. Would they trade Ryan Suter for Mark Stuart and Cody Franson - very unlikely. Would you trade Kadri for Moore and Franson - again no.

Would you trade Dumba for Jankowski and Franson ... well our friends in Calgary have enough to deal with already, let's not rub their noses in it.

As a straight across deal I would consider the deal, but as I said, tread lightly. The above indicates that typically #7 is a much better player than #21. Excluding the last couple of drafts who have yet to play out, Skinner, Kadri, Voracek, Okposo and Lupul are solid top six guys, Komisarek has been a solid (though grossly overpaid) D-man and Suter is a clear #1. That is 70% of these guys are impact players.

On the other side of the ledger Rask is a full-on stud and Colby Armstrong is a solid third liner. 20% success rate. The rest are essentially busts or pluggers to date.

Not sure Cody Franson is enough to make me want to roll loaded dice.

Cody Franson is already 25, with this being his only half-decent half-season, as a 3rd pairing defensemen receiving soft minutes and easy competition.

He's hardly much of an improvement on Corey Potter.

I'd rather use Trotz's and Poile's judgement of Franson from the defense factory of Nashville (they dumped him for peanuts) rather than a half-season of easy minutes on the 3rd pairing in a weak Eastern Conference.

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#85 godot10
June 19 2013, 05:28PM
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Just offer sheet Gunnarsson at the 2nd round compensation level is a far better option than considering Franson from Toronto.

Or if you really want Franson. Offer sheet him. Don't surrender the 7th for him.

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#86 MKE
June 19 2013, 06:06PM
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@Walter Sobchak

Totally agree. Letang is way over valued. You cant have a dman at that cap hit who cant dominate at both ends of the rink and expect to be a cup contender.

There are more well rounded defencemen out there.

In this draft id do the deal with Toronto but only if Jake Gardner was coming back in the deal.

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#87 DSF
June 19 2013, 06:37PM
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Cody Franson is already 25, with this being his only half-decent half-season, as a 3rd pairing defensemen receiving soft minutes and easy competition.

He's hardly much of an improvement on Corey Potter.

I'd rather use Trotz's and Poile's judgement of Franson from the defense factory of Nashville (they dumped him for peanuts) rather than a half-season of easy minutes on the 3rd pairing in a weak Eastern Conference.

This is all nonsense.

Franson played second pairing minutes against middling competition.

Liles, O'Byrne and Fraser played bottom pair minutes.

Franson logged the second most minutes played among Leafs D last season at 845:29...only Phaneuf played more.

Toronto's Corsi was a nightmare but Franson's Corsi ON was second best among Leafs defensemen.

Franson's Corsi Rel was second best among Leaf's defensemen behind only Phaneuf.

"Hardly an improvement on Potter" is a ridiculous statement.

Franson scored 29 points...more than any Oiler defenseman.

Potter scored 4 points.

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#88 DSF
June 19 2013, 06:46PM
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Just offer sheet Gunnarsson at the 2nd round compensation level is a far better option than considering Franson from Toronto.

Or if you really want Franson. Offer sheet him. Don't surrender the 7th for him.

Your offer sheet strategy is as ridiculous as your assessment of defensemen.

The Leafs have a ton of cap space and would match any reasonable offer.

Gunnarsson was paid $1.3M last season and is a top paiaring defenseman.

To get him to sign an offer sheet, you're looking at close to $4M.

The compensation for an offer sheet over $3M is a 1st, a 2nd and 3rd.

Franson was paid $1.2M last season and is due a big raise.

He'll likely also be above $3M so pick your poison.

You also have been suggesting the Oilers offer sheet Voynov.

He signed for a cap hit of $4.1M.

That would have cost the Oilers TWO first round picks, a 2nd and 3rd.

Still want to play?

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#89 cdnmadcow
June 19 2013, 07:09PM
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I'm diggin where DSF is going with this one. Pull the trigger for a solid d-man who slots right in to the top four.

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#90 DSF
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I'm diggin where DSF is going with this one. Pull the trigger for a solid d-man who slots right in to the top four.

Yep.

Toronto has too many defensemen.

The Oilers don't have enough.

If Toronto wants to move up in the draft and take a centre...giddyup.

While the Oilers also need centres, patching all the holes on the blue line has to be Job One ®.

Good teams are built from the back end out.

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#91 Gerald
June 19 2013, 07:29PM
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@DSF

You got me, they were talking about Kulemin

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#92 Gerald
June 19 2013, 07:34PM
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Actually from what I hear Nonis reputation is stellar . A honest GM.

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#93 DSF
June 19 2013, 07:38PM
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You got me, they were talking about Kulemin

Who was?

If I was MacT...this is what I would do.

Trade the 7th and Hemsky for the 21st, Franson and Grabovski.

If the Leafs want Gagner instead of Hemsky...see ya kid.

The Oilers end up with a solid top 4 D, a tough minutes centre and pretty decent pick at 21.

The Leafs, who have Gardiner, Rielly and Finn bubbling up, rid themselves of a player that Carlyle doesn't like and get to pick another centre who may take a year or two to have an impact.

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#94 MKE
June 19 2013, 07:41PM
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Who was?

If I was MacT...this is what I would do.

Trade the 7th and Hemsky for the 21st, Franson and Grabovski.

If the Leafs want Gagner instead of Hemsky...see ya kid.

The Oilers end up with a solid top 4 D, a tough minutes centre and pretty decent pick at 21.

The Leafs, who have Gardiner, Rielly and Finn bubbling up, rid themselves of a player that Carlyle doesn't like and get to pick another centre who may take a year or two to have an impact.

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#95 Jerod
June 19 2013, 07:42PM
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Would Oilers be interested in Clarke MacArthur ?

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#96 DSF
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Fold under pressure?

Gagner scored 2 points in the last 10 games of the season (you know, the stretch drive) and both of them were second assists.

Franson scored 6 points in 7 PLAYOFF games.

And during the Leafs stretch drive, Franson scored 8 points in the last 10 games.

I'll tell you who folds under pressure and it rhymes with Bagner.

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#97 The Soup Fascist
June 19 2013, 07:59PM
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Jerod wrote:

Would Oilers be interested in Clarke MacArthur ?

That would be awesome! If you got him and Max Lapierre the Oilers could finish first in the league ..... in undisciplined, unnecessary and untimely penalties.

I actually like MacArthur, he just needs to learn some gamesmanship.

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#98 The Soup Fascist
June 19 2013, 08:00PM
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Fold under pressure?

Gagner scored 2 points in the last 10 games of the season (you know, the stretch drive) and both of them were second assists.

Franson scored 6 points in 7 PLAYOFF games.

And during the Leafs stretch drive, Franson scored 8 points in the last 10 games.

I'll tell you who folds under pressure and it rhymes with Bagner.

Pretty sure you mean Bagne

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#99 MKE
June 19 2013, 08:00PM
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MacT knows that he needs to have guys who excel in the transition game. Gardner fits that.

Letang does too, but he doesn't excel at anything else. At 7 million for a cap hit you need to have someone like Chara who can dominate.

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#100 Eddie Shore
June 19 2013, 08:02PM
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@DSF

Grabovski at $5.5 with a 16 point season and you're ragging on Gagner?

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