Trade Talk

Jonathan Willis
June 20 2013 09:28AM

If the volume of trade rumours is anything to go by, the time between the end of the Stanley Cup playoffs and draft day (June 30) is going to be nuts. At the centre of a lot of it is Edmonton – general manager Craig MacTavish has made no secret of his desire to immediately and significantly put his stamp on the team, and at this point it would be more of a surprise not to find the Oilers involved in significant trades than to see them pull the trigger on a deal.

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Kris Letang. Jason Gregor wrote yesterday about reports out of Pittsburgh that Kris Letang could well be moved, and floated a package of Jeff Petry, the number seven pick and a young forward. While that’s a dear price to pay, Letang is a 26-year old rearguard who played number one minutes (more than 27:00 per game, including time in all situations) on a team that went to the Conference Final this year. He scored at better than a point per game pace in both the regular season and the playoffs. He is a legitimate top-pairing defenceman and would improve the Oilers’ blue line a lot. As long as the Oilers were allowed to talk to him about a contract extension before acquiring him, he’d be a great target for this team. The only argument against is that the Oilers already have Justin Schultz – another right-side defenceman with high-level offensive ability – but right now Letang is a vastly superior player and in a three-for-one situation it seems unlikely Edmonton would regret making a deal.

Jonathan Bernier. There isn’t really a lot of buzz for the idea of Bernier ending up in Edmonton – probably at least in part because Los Angeles has been hesitant in the past to move him within their own division. From my perspective, that’s a good thing: Bernier might be the next big thing, but he’s also a 6’ goalie with just 62 NHL games played and a 0.912 save percentage. Because of draft pedigree and reputation, Bernier is going to cost a lot, but whoever acquires him is running a major risk. It’s a good risk for some teams, but Edmonton has a pretty decent goalie in Devan Dubnyk so they don’t need to swing hard for an unproven goalie.

Jake Gardiner. A 22-year old defenceman who moves the puck brilliantly and seems chronically undervalued by the Leafs? Personally, I think the ‘7th overall for Gardiner and the 21st overall’ trade scenarios are ludicrously one-sided in Edmonton’s favour and I’d be surprised to see the Leafs bite, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the cost of acquiring Gardiner is significantly lower than the immediate impact he would have on the blue line.

Tom Gilbert. In the last season Craig MacTavish coached, Tom Gilbert played second pairing minutes and picked up a career-high 45 points. Now, after a year with an impossibly bad 0.877 on-ice even-strength save percentage (keep in mind: this isn’t something Gilbert could control), the Wild may buyout Gilbert because Dany Heatley’s injury prevents them from paying him to go away. If the Oilers can get him for basically nothing in trade or sign him cheaply after a buyout for the third-pairing, that’s a clear win for the organization, I think.

In General

The Toronto Maple Leafs. Robin Brownlee had a nice take on the now famous Nick Kypreos picture (above) of Craig MacTavish and Dave Nonis standing there, talking to each other – one which blew up because Edmonton and Toronto seem like a trade match in some ways. As Brownlee put it, we have no idea whether the two are talking “a whole bunch of something or a whole lot of nothing.” Certainly the fact that general managers OCCASIONALLY. TALK. TO. EACH. OTHER. isn’t news. Still, the Maple Leafs are a funny organization – they tried hard to bring in a finished Miikka Kiprusoff at the deadline, seem to have no confidence in a very good goaltender in James Reimer, blew most of Jake Gardiner’s season in the minors and just in general seem like a team that has some good pieces they undervalue. They have good players at both forward and on defence that seem to have at least somewhat fallen out of favour; that makes them a very good team to be talking to in general terms. But again: that photo means almost nothing, despite the buzz it generated.

The Draft. It’s really hard not to get the sense that moving up in a meaningful way is going to be all but impossible for the Oilers at this year’s draft, which is a shame because a guy like Aleksander Barkov looks like a good bet to add real value in the fourth overall slot and would be a perfect fit for organizational need. Elias Lindholm is a guy who probably adds real value but isn’t a perfect fit because he might end up on wing in the NHL, while Darnell Nurse is a good fit for immediate team need but would need time and would also join a prospect pipeline already loaded with defencemen – albeit ones without his particular skillset. Still, an idea Craig Mactavish floated (seemingly) long ago – adding some help now and moving down in the first round – looks more reasonable all the time.

Recently around the Nation Network

Tyler Bozak isn't a name mentioned above, but one that a few Oilers fans have asked me about as a possible fit for Edmonton. I don't like him given his likely price point, and in Mythbusters: Tyler Bozak Edition LeafsNation's Cam Charron does a good job of explaining why. There's a lot there and it's worth reading, but this picture alone says a lot:

Click the link to read more, or alternately, feel free check out some of my other pieces here:

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 mr. common sense
June 20 2013, 11:51AM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Nobody is anxious to get rid of him but if he needs to be part of a package to get you an all-star quality defenceman, you have to do it. You need to give quality to get quality.

100%.

only we think Gagner is Gretzky. He is not a chip to land quality. Petry is solid no doubt but we have to look at the bigger picture

quality gets quality

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#52 godot10
June 20 2013, 12:14PM
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Letang's numbers and ability is inflated by playing with Crosby and Malkin, and playing in the weak Eastern Conference.

The big bad Bruins abused him left, right, and centre in the series against PIttsbugh, and the Oilers are moving into a division with three heavy teams in San Jose, LA, and Anaheim, and with two strong cycling teams in the Canucks and Coyotes.

In a hard cap world, value for money matters, and the Oilers would be paying dearly in players for Letang, and full value in salary and term.

Justin Schultz will be Kris Letang when the Oilers are ready to contend, so paying for Letang's offense is redundant and wasted cap space. The Oilers need big two way defenders who can make an outlet pass.

I'd rather have Petry and Paajarvi (and Nurse or Monahan). Paajarvi is slowly learning to use his size, and his size and speed will ultimately be a huge asset at a value price in the division the Oilers play.

Acquiring Letang would adds skills the Oilers already have in Schultz, and creates more holes in the roster.

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#53 Bucknuck
June 20 2013, 12:17PM
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Personally, I think moving Petry for Letang is counter productive. We have too many skilled forwards and not enough skilled defensemen. Unless Pittsburg demanded a defenseman in return, I would be trying to move a forward to acquire Letang.

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#54 rickithebear
June 20 2013, 12:21PM
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Staal versus Sutter Even Goal rate is 2.33/60 Special teams goal rate is 6.00/60

J. Stall faced 3rd/4th comp 15.15 min/gm @ even GF 2.57GF/60 +5 goals vs 82 GM season average GA 3.90GA/60 -33 goals vs 82 gm season average PK 7.20GA/60@ 2.04min -3 g to average PP 5.60 GF/60 @ 2.23 min -1 G to average

If J. stall had performed to the league average in every skill he would have been an Even GD player He was slightly above average in offensive production at even he was one of the worst in the league for GA @ even. He was below average on Pk and PP.

He was -32 Goal differential for the year. teams need to be even to make the playoffs. asking the othe three Offensive line to make up for that is almost impossible. Can you believe that -32.

B. sutter Even also faced 3rd/4th comp 12.86 min 2.14GF/60 -3 goals vs average 2.03GA/60 +5 goals PK 8.33GA/60 @ 1.80min -6 goals PP 6.52 @ 1.15 min +1 goal

B Sutter was a -3 GD player for the season. -32 goals or -3 goals. I do not think they miss Staal.

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#55 Bucknuck
June 20 2013, 12:22PM
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Also to keep in mind is that Letang has only ever played one full season. The guy gets hurt every year. I love him as a player, but thinking about what might go the other way makes me a little nervous.

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#56 John Chambers
June 20 2013, 12:29PM
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godot10 wrote:

Letang's numbers and ability is inflated by playing with Crosby and Malkin, and playing in the weak Eastern Conference.

The big bad Bruins abused him left, right, and centre in the series against PIttsbugh, and the Oilers are moving into a division with three heavy teams in San Jose, LA, and Anaheim, and with two strong cycling teams in the Canucks and Coyotes.

In a hard cap world, value for money matters, and the Oilers would be paying dearly in players for Letang, and full value in salary and term.

Justin Schultz will be Kris Letang when the Oilers are ready to contend, so paying for Letang's offense is redundant and wasted cap space. The Oilers need big two way defenders who can make an outlet pass.

I'd rather have Petry and Paajarvi (and Nurse or Monahan). Paajarvi is slowly learning to use his size, and his size and speed will ultimately be a huge asset at a value price in the division the Oilers play.

Acquiring Letang would adds skills the Oilers already have in Schultz, and creates more holes in the roster.

You talk about Letang like he's Marc-Andre Bergeron.

Say what you want about being tossed around by Boston, the series was low-scoring, and Letang is the top D on one of the league's top-4 teams. I mean he's a Norris candidate ffs. And he's 26!

Fact of the matter is that Norris-calibre D don't get traded very often. If we wanted to sit around and wait for the next Shea Weber to emerge, have the foresight to determine who that would be, and then outbid for his services, you might be waiting for a long, long time.

Does signing him mean compromising other parts of the roster? Absolutely. However I'd bet on a lottery ticket before I said that Justin Schultz was himself going to turn into the essence of the very same player.

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#57 rickithebear
June 20 2013, 12:41PM
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So people are saying we need to trade quality to get an allstar Dman.

Petry is the only Dman to cover top pairing skill and results in Even, Pk, PP

so we trade for a dman who does not cover all and have to get another 1st pairing Dman to cover the rest.

That is two trades to get what we have in Petry.

Right now there are 9 Dmen in the league who Face 1st Comp with better than league average GA. top 40 PKGA Top 40 blocks/gm Top 40 Hits/gm Chara Boychuck Hjalmallsson Seabrook Odulya Polak Erskine Petry Smid

Kind of gives you a hint to elite d pairs in the league.

our Dman's Goal differential Petry 1st Comp +18 Smid 1st comp +9 Fistric 2nd Comp +12 N. Schultz 3rd Comp -32 J.Schultz 3rd comp -35

Pretty obvious why we did not make the playoffs.

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#58 Eddie Shore
June 20 2013, 12:43PM
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@rickithebear

You honestly think Petry is the same caliber of player as Letang?

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#59 FTO
June 20 2013, 12:45PM
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Guys, you trade whoever isn't in our top 5 (Hall, Yak, Nuge, Ebs, Schultz)to get Letang if he is actually available. My question is was there any actual PIT-EDM rumors out there or is this all just conjecture? Haha I want this to happen so bad.

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#60 Quicksilver ballet
June 20 2013, 12:49PM
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Ever the Optimist wrote:

2 reasons

that hundred dollar bill just might be fake .... you never know with prospects ( I am sure many here could remind you of failed picks)

also as that 100 is an iou for another season .... 60 in hand right now pays bills that are due NOW

What if that $100.00 bill turns out to be $200.00, after all is settled?

Hate the idea of locking in our losses on another type of guy we have boatloads of already.

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#61 Smokey
June 20 2013, 01:02PM
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rickithebear wrote:

Staal versus Sutter Even Goal rate is 2.33/60 Special teams goal rate is 6.00/60

J. Stall faced 3rd/4th comp 15.15 min/gm @ even GF 2.57GF/60 +5 goals vs 82 GM season average GA 3.90GA/60 -33 goals vs 82 gm season average PK 7.20GA/60@ 2.04min -3 g to average PP 5.60 GF/60 @ 2.23 min -1 G to average

If J. stall had performed to the league average in every skill he would have been an Even GD player He was slightly above average in offensive production at even he was one of the worst in the league for GA @ even. He was below average on Pk and PP.

He was -32 Goal differential for the year. teams need to be even to make the playoffs. asking the othe three Offensive line to make up for that is almost impossible. Can you believe that -32.

B. sutter Even also faced 3rd/4th comp 12.86 min 2.14GF/60 -3 goals vs average 2.03GA/60 +5 goals PK 8.33GA/60 @ 1.80min -6 goals PP 6.52 @ 1.15 min +1 goal

B Sutter was a -3 GD player for the season. -32 goals or -3 goals. I do not think they miss Staal.

Just to trying to absorb your analysis. R u comparing Staal and Suter based on this season or on a 82 game season average over his career. Don't understand the perameters in which you are comparing players.

Just compare Stall last season to Sutter this season.There is not perfect matrix in which to analyze. I would not argue about this season in Carolina, he blew.

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#62 LinkfromHyrule
June 20 2013, 01:04PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Nobody is anxious to get rid of him but if he needs to be part of a package to get you an all-star quality defenceman, you have to do it. You need to give quality to get quality.

Yes I agree with that, but why deplete an already horrid defense further? Letang is a great offensive d-man but from what I have seen he is not nearly as good in his own end. So just for arguments sake this trade happens. We lose one of our better workhorse defenseman and get letang. We'd be scoring 5 goals a game and have 5 goals scored against per game. Letang is great in his own way but I would prefer a trade for a legitimate 2-way d-man before I would pay the outrageous price he is going to demand both in salary or in trade.

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#63 Spydyr
June 20 2013, 01:07PM
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Screw Letang I want Chara, If you're going to dream, dream big.

That is what it is a dream , like the Weber dream.

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#64 rickithebear
June 20 2013, 01:12PM
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Hype versus reality

Shea Weber

Even: Faces 1st comp @ 19.25min 2.43GF/60 +3G 2.41GF/60 -2G PK Does not. His results worst in the league. PP 6.13GF/60 @ 3.40 min +1 goal

Shea weber is a First comp Even Dman that gets you +2 goal differential for the season. +2 Goals @

most people are biased by high PP production giving a Dman a high point countin a dominate role.

When we look at EV assist count from a puck movement point of view. Year to year for Dman Top 3 25+ EVA top 10 21+ Top 20 19+ Top 30 17+ Top 50 15+

Letang has been top 3 Weber has been top 10 Petry has been top 20

Belov's numbers in KHL say top 30 klefbolms numbers in SEL last year hint at top 50. Smid (9 EVA) -Petry (18 EVA) Klefbom (15 EVA) - Belov (17 EVA) XXX- j. Schultz (14 EVA)

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#65 Bucknuck
June 20 2013, 01:14PM
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If Letang is going to get traded, I am sure MacT will be in there like a dirty shirt.

Personally, I think Philly makes a more intriguing trade partner for the Oilers. They are loaded on Defense and thin in Forwards. Plus they have a real Cap issue. What would it take to pull Coburn and Hartnell out of there? You want some 'crust'? Philly has a lot of crust to spare so why not.

They won't want a defender coming back the other way, since they have seven defenders for 3.5 million or more. One of them has to go.

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#66 rickthebear
June 20 2013, 01:34PM
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Smokey:

Sutter was highly effective i n Carolina and was starting to trend to a M. richards type career.

Staal was Highly effective in pitt.

carolina believed Staal move to a more primary offensive rolle would justify the $.

Pitt believed Sutter could take over the Staal role.

The change resulted in down turns for both players.

Stall's was historically awful.

Stricly this years results.

Normally I try to determuine a 3-5 year average for a Player.

Breaking down a players results to the one stat that dictates winning or losing and making the playoffs or not is going back to simplicity.

When you get a stall -32 or J. schultz -35 year, they can almost single handedly cost you the playoffs.

As N. schultz -32, and J.schultz -35; Hartikainen -25; Brown -15, Petrell -14; Eager -18, did for us.

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#67 John Chambers
June 20 2013, 01:54PM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

I don't know why anyone would say Lindholm isn't a fit. If Hall - RNH - Eberle is your first line and you have Gagner - Yakupov on your second line, then there is a slot on the second line he could slide right in to.

Alternatively, if you go with Hall - Gagner - Yakupov as your first line, then you have an opening next to RNH - Eberle that Lindholm could fit.

We RNH and Lindholm both being strong two-way players, you could be looking at a tough minutes line in the making.

Just because he isn't a giant doesn't mean he isn't a fit.

I like Lindholm a lot, too. I assume we're going to trade the pick, but if we don't and Lindholm is sitting there at #7 it's a pretty good outcome.

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#68 Lochenzo
June 20 2013, 01:58PM
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If Letang is available, I'm sure every team will call Pittsburgh. We are talking about a Norris trophy candidate that is in his prime. It's one thing for the Oilers to put in an offer, but it'd be quite another thing for the Oilers to beat out somebody like Detroit and the package they can put together.

I don't see how there isn't a bidding war for Letang. The team the wins will probably have overpaid.

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#69 Will
June 20 2013, 02:04PM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

I don't know why anyone would say Lindholm isn't a fit. If Hall - RNH - Eberle is your first line and you have Gagner - Yakupov on your second line, then there is a slot on the second line he could slide right in to.

Alternatively, if you go with Hall - Gagner - Yakupov as your first line, then you have an opening next to RNH - Eberle that Lindholm could fit.

We RNH and Lindholm both being strong two-way players, you could be looking at a tough minutes line in the making.

Just because he isn't a giant doesn't mean he isn't a fit.

Good call. I somewhat disagree simply because we do need size. Hall, Gagner, Yak, would likey be our top line but Gagner would get railed in the face-offs.

Our top two lines would spend most of their time trying to retrieve the puck as oppose to attacking with it.

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#70 WhattaMike
June 20 2013, 02:04PM
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well i have been just reading thru the many grapevine sites and found out the latest type rumours are...that the Oilers are likely of the following:

1) Buckberger is staying Smith is gone as coach..with paul Maurice looking hard at being associate coach.

2) The Oilers taking ben scrivens for back up for a 2nd rounder

3) Letang is not of the Oilers interest at this time...unless a win win deal works (not $7 million per yr ) after its announced he and the Penguins cannot make a long term deal.

4) Horcoff likely bought out not traded... 5) Hemsky to the NYI for NINO Neidereiter... 6) Matt Cooke of interest to Oilers...

Rumours galore to still soon follow....

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#71 WhattaMike
June 20 2013, 02:10PM
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Oh yeah, other top rumours are that....

7) the Oilers are liking very much one of Horvat or Lazar with a pick this year....but this should be totally based on who is left by the #7 pickalso of (example...Monahan) or that the Oilers can't move up for Barkov....who they really really like (drooling)

...and....

8) Paul Ranger likely signing with the Oilers is also being thrown around too...

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#72 SLURVE
June 20 2013, 02:21PM
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I would not trade for Letang esp giving up 7th overall pick, Petry and young forward. Too much for a guy that does not play especially well in his own end and is injury prone. We are well stocked in upcoming dmen with the likes of Klefbom, Gernat and Marincin as well as having current Justin Schultz and Smid. What we need is a bigger centerman who is tough and can contribute.

I would try to deal with Carolina who do not need another big centerman with the current Staals in place. They clearly need a dman such as Nurse or Zadorov. I would offer a dman such as Musil or Marincin as well as swapping our 7th for their 5th - if one of the big five draft pick are still avail. at their position.

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#73 WhattaMike
June 20 2013, 02:37PM
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To Slurve...

There are exactly 5 very top #1 type picks to go for by the time Carolina picks ... and these are in the order I now see being as... more and more ...MacKinnon goes to Col-(#1), Drouin Flo-(#2), Nichushkin goes to TB-(3#), Nashville will want Barkov (#4), and Carolina then loves Jones being there at #5...

If the Oilers somehow swapped for the 5th with the 7th..then it is likely to be between Monahan and Jones .... which is gonna be a very interesting call to make then.

If Carolina does trade with the Oilers then it would be they were always wanting Nurse who will be meaner than Jones IMO... but not as with the offence skill.

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#74 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 20 2013, 02:49PM
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15w40 wrote:

Jonathan - I have floated this on another thread on the site and was curious on your take. Gregor also tweeted about it yesterday.

Horcoff for Komisarek. Expensive replacement for Fistric for one year. Horcoff costs more but he actually played in the league last year and would be in the Leafs line up.

Also with Eakins now in charge any chance you see a swap for somebody like Joe Colborne with another high end pick from OKC??

The one thing we know is that Eakins will have a very good insight into Komisarek, the good and the bad, the overall value....so whatever happens should not be a high risk proposition......obviously this is true of every player in the leafs organization........samething is true with Scott Housen and his inside knowledge of the Columbus assets....

I'll actually be surprised if there isn't at least one deal with Leafs' and at least one with Columbus

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#75 curious
June 20 2013, 02:55PM
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Is Letang a risk? darn right he is a risk. But he was a Norris finalist - if there is a rumour he may be available you look into it. As for saying the kids coming up are going to be better so dont trade, WAKE UP! Not one of Klefbom, Marcinin, Fedun or whoever else you want to throw in there have played an NHL game yet. They have proved nothing. Show me all the stats in the world showing this player projects to be better then x but it doesnt mean a darn thing until he gets on the ice and plays a game. Give your head a shake if you think Petry is on the same level as Letang. Sure he has potential but he took a step back this year. Lets be realistic here. Oh here look at these stats it proves this - hogwash. Look at the player on the ice Letang is >>>>>better then anything the Oilers have. Letang is just like Schultz. Great I say. You cannot have 2 offensive defensemen why again?

Bottom line dont overvalue your assets. And if you dont want to trade anyone good dont blame management or come on here telling everyone the Oilers suck and you are tired of losing. If you think development is the answer fine - but then the playoffs are still a few years away. Then you will have trouble keeping the core of young forwards as they will all want to get paid.You could be the Islanders - how many years were they out of the playoffs again drafting in the top 5 every year? No thanks.

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#76 WhattaMike
June 20 2013, 02:57PM
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To Canadian Maniac

...lol...yeah I did...but I do not do this all the time... I like to put my own thoughts/opinions on the line.

However, i did this to see what thoughts of these rumours were going to be like.

Personally, I don't mind the possible Scrivens deal with Toronto, or that Paul Ranger might sign wioth the Oil.

I actually kind of like the Hemsky for Neidereiter possibility too but I don't know too much about the kid, except his stats.

Not sure I would want Bucky here still as i cannot figure out what the heck his asst coaching job is/was to exactly be all these yrs

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#77 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 20 2013, 03:31PM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

I don't know why anyone would say Lindholm isn't a fit. If Hall - RNH - Eberle is your first line and you have Gagner - Yakupov on your second line, then there is a slot on the second line he could slide right in to.

Alternatively, if you go with Hall - Gagner - Yakupov as your first line, then you have an opening next to RNH - Eberle that Lindholm could fit.

We RNH and Lindholm both being strong two-way players, you could be looking at a tough minutes line in the making.

Just because he isn't a giant doesn't mean he isn't a fit.

Graig Button makes the point that the single most consistent mistake that teams make through the course of the decade is avoiding taking a player at the draft because of the perception that the player is too small.....

this bias against short players has proved costly for a lot of teams....

your best odds are to take the BPA regardless of size....not to mention that Lindholm isn't Theo Flurey. Small....he's in or around 6 feet 175 ....and will still add some weight over the next year or two....

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#78 Sliderule
June 20 2013, 03:34PM
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All the trade options I hear are trading the number seven for possible top fours defenders like Gardiner or selling the farm for Letang.

The oilers need is at center..The oilers at this point have Injured RNH ,traded or buyouts Horcoff and Belanger and rfa Gagner who most think should be playing wing.Their center position is pathetic

This draft is the center draft and the oilers have a chance to pick up a Lindholm,Monahan,Horvat or even Lazar.

I can't see MacT passing up the opportunity to use the pick for a player that will solidify the center position for the oil.

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#79 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 20 2013, 03:35PM
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John Chambers wrote:

I like Lindholm a lot, too. I assume we're going to trade the pick, but if we don't and Lindholm is sitting there at #7 it's a pretty good outcome.

Every player available at 7th would be a reasonably safe bet.......

trading down is where the risk lies.....

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#80 madjam
June 20 2013, 03:35PM
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I feel it imperative we get off to a good start , and not having Hopkins certainly won't help . MacT. probably has many GM's calling him and trying to take advantage of our green new GM . Will we get back more than we appear to be getting rid of ? From too patient to maybe not patient enough ? A rookie GM might be right for the picking ? Kool-Aid surrounded by Band-Aid solutions ? Optimism with a dose of cynicism /skepticism ?

Plan B-Belov , Plan E- Eakins . what's the next Plan ? Plan R -Risto ?

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#81 WhattaMike
June 20 2013, 03:38PM
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Hey Ducey...

I did that this one time only due to my own thoughts after reading of cloutier's statements and.... also for to see what others may think of those given rumours.

Doesnt matter where I got them or if I had made them up myself...they are just rumours as I wrote in that text. I also then stated my thoughts of those rumours soon afterwards as well.

Meant no offense by writing them and no offense to of stating what I thought of them.

besides...everyone has mentioned hundreds of their own rumours and their own opinions anyways...just as I have done..

I am saying...too... is that if I was the type to write other rumours or beliefs all the time (of other persons stuff/rumours) and not my own opinions of them...then I am justified to be rightfully complained of.

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#82 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 20 2013, 03:41PM
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Will wrote:

Good call. I somewhat disagree simply because we do need size. Hall, Gagner, Yak, would likey be our top line but Gagner would get railed in the face-offs.

Our top two lines would spend most of their time trying to retrieve the puck as oppose to attacking with it.

Given a choice between Barkov and Lindholm...you take the bigger player...but if your choice is Lindholm or Bo Horvat...you take Lindholm.......you shouldn't let size bias cause you to downgrade.....in others words take BPA.

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#83 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 20 2013, 03:53PM
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I think Horcoff could be the next Chris Draper/Dan Cleary type of player for the Detroit Redwings...

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#84 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 20 2013, 03:57PM
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Outside of hockey one of the most common mistakes companies make is not utilizing their people in the right roles thereby undercutting their value and their potential.....

this might be the case with Horcoff in Edmonton.......the guy is going to be a stellar third line center in some other organization...

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#85 Dman09
June 20 2013, 04:02PM
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Hey JW,

Well I don't mind the idea of trading for Letang, I don't like the idea of Petry being part of the package to make it happen. The Pens seems to have significant depth at D to justify letting Letang go, so they may not want to add another roster defenseman or maybe just a 5/6. Do you think a package like N.Schultz, 1st in 2014, 2nd 2013, and a prospect like Gernat would be enough to make it happen?

Also I get that Bozak is a complementary player but if the price point is right wouldn't he be the kind of guy you'd want to pull in to play with all the high end talent Edm already has??

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#86 Sidd
June 20 2013, 04:19PM
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I hear the 2020 draft is very strong maybe the strongest.

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#87 madjam
June 20 2013, 04:50PM
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Given a choice between Barkov and Ristolainen who would we be better taking . FLASHBACK TO 2012 WJHC . BARKOV - in 6 games was 5th in points of the forwards on Finnish national team with 7pts.- 3G,4A , +2 ,P.I.M. 6, 2PPG , 22 shots and 1.17 . He was 15 ranked scorer in tournament . $ of his teammates were ranked 2-4 and a fourth (Salomaki) was 14th with 8 Pts. Granland and Armia had 12 each and Tervainen 11 .

Defence had Ristolainen finishing 3rd @ 6pts. behind only Trouba @9 and Jones @7 . RISTO: in six games had 6Pts., 2 G ,4A, +5, P.I.M. (Tournament tops by a lot at 20 M ), 1PPG,17 shots and 1.00 . Way ahead of the likes of Murphy ,Musil and M.Reilly . Nurse never even made the Canadian squad I might add . Maybe he's to mean for our soft Oilers ? I don't recall seeing MacKinnon and Druoin lighting him up .

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#88 seanjohn
June 20 2013, 04:58PM
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@mr common sense

would the 7th and Klefbom get it done? is the adding PRV too much?

Hall, Ebs, RNH, Yak, Letang, J. Schultz is a pretty score core, no doubt. that would attract FAs.

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#89 Rusty Patenaude
June 20 2013, 05:00PM
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If you look at the best teams, they rarely resort to trading draft picks for players. However moving down in a deep draft in exchange for a proven NHLer is different. (Gardiner's play against Boston proves he is the real deal in my opinion) I agree that Gardiner + #21 will cost more than just the seventh overall pick, but it would be a good move. At #21, the Oilers should still be able to draft a third line centre for the future. (Lazar or Gauthier perhaps)

Letang for #7 + Petry + a young forward? I love Letang but the young forward had better be someone like Cam Abney. Petry is a solid NHLer now and the #7 could be a big impact player. Letang would have to agree to a long term deal with the Oilers prior to making the trade since he is scheduled to be a UFA after next season. How much will that cost? Will he be interested in making that kind of commitment? I just don't see this working to be honest.

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#90 SLURVE
June 20 2013, 05:05PM
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@WhattaMike

I cant see Seth Jones dropping to 5th-no way Jose. Nichushkin will drop further than Jones given his self-entitlement and arrogant attitude as well as the "Russian factor"- he could bolt for Mother Russia if not happy here. On that note, I am guessing, Nichushkin could drop down to 7 or 8 spots.

Carolina with their need for a solid dman is still the best trading partner for the Oils to moving up 'cause Nurse, Zadorov and Ristolainen (one of the big men) will be there at 7th spot.

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#91 nuge2nail
June 20 2013, 05:21PM
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Add Letang, Add Luongo.

Add whoever else is available. Example: If we Add Briere, we can trade Gagner for Bogosian.

Letang, Petry, J Shultz, Smid, N Shultz, Belov, Klefbom Luongo Dubnyk

Ideally we keep Petry and trade Smid or Nick in a package for Letang but I don't care who goes the other way, bring in some Bonifide Defenceman.

Would a 7th, 2014 first rounder, Klefbom, Paarajvi, and Omark get it done?

I would imagine replacing Klefbom with Petry would be required.

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#92 shea78
June 20 2013, 05:23PM
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How about Letang for Yak? We need D and he's one of the best. Pitt gets a great young player who is easier on the books. We still keep the 7th and Petry. Thoughts?

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#93 Klima's Mullet
June 20 2013, 05:37PM
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Good points and analysis

1) Shero is a shrewd mother. he has no time to haggle, J Staal last year seemed ambivalent and shabang...gone. The same process is happening with Letang.

2) Good mention of Simon Dupris, he's legit. Martin turned it on last year and Niskanen was asleep, the thinking is that if Letang is moved, this frees up space and money.

3) Shultz Jr. numbers indeed inflated, hence, no need to bring this point up as a negative on Letang.

Shero traded 2 second round picks for Douglas Murray (a washed up, slow skating, coke machine). I am not of the opinion that he is that shrewd. Over-rated comes to mind. His star studded team has won 13 playoff games in the last three years with some of the best talent in the world on his roster. He has failed to surround his all world players with a supporting cast of championship quality.

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#94 Sean
June 20 2013, 05:46PM
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From what I have hear Rasmus Ristolainen is a defensive liability.

Oilers won't go near this player at #7.

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#95 nuge2nail
June 20 2013, 05:47PM
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Wouldn't it be amazing if the oilers announce this trade:

Vinny Lecav + 3rd overall pick

For

Gagner + Paarajvi + two second round picks + Marincin.

If yzerman insists on the #7 instead of Gagner that is acceptable.

Oilers play Lecav one year and buy him out if he doesn't rebound.

We buyout Horcoff and dump Hemsky.

We draft Jones or Barkov(not Drouin) We also draft Monahan or Lindholm.

RNH, Lecav, Barkov, Monahan.

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#96 Quicksilver ballet
June 20 2013, 06:13PM
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@Oilcan

More often than not, the best player in the draft, isn't the first player selected. I'd rather ride with that, than your 100 to 1 picture you painted. Cherry pick examples all you want.

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#97 Bucknuck
June 20 2013, 06:27PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Wouldn't it be amazing if the oilers announce this trade:

Vinny Lecav + 3rd overall pick

For

Gagner + Paarajvi + two second round picks + Marincin.

If yzerman insists on the #7 instead of Gagner that is acceptable.

Oilers play Lecav one year and buy him out if he doesn't rebound.

We buyout Horcoff and dump Hemsky.

We draft Jones or Barkov(not Drouin) We also draft Monahan or Lindholm.

RNH, Lecav, Barkov, Monahan.

Look at Capgeek.com and see the salary that Lecavalier is going to get for the next decade, then if you still think this is a good idea I can officially tell you that you're nuts.

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#98 nuge2nail
June 20 2013, 06:40PM
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Lecav would have to be baught out next year.

The cost for Yzerman to save his boss 35+ million, the 3rd overall pick in exchange for Gagner.

Nonis has made a similar offer, with his first round pick an a couple mid range players- knowing Tampa wants to rid themselves of lecav.

If Yzerman is considering noniss offer, Gagner plus a couple picks must look good.

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#99 nuge2nail
June 20 2013, 06:44PM
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Imagine Mackinnon or Jones fall to third, we would hit the lottery.

On top of that it's not my money spent on lecavs buyout next year...it's thee Katz drug money.

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#100 Bucknuck
June 20 2013, 06:46PM
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Imagine Mackinnon or Jones fall to third, we would hit the lottery.

On top of that it's not my money spent on lecavs buyout next year...it's thee Katz drug money.

OK that is starting to look good.

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