PRAY FOR CALGARY

Wanye
June 21 2013 11:53AM

 

Terrible times today for our neighbours down the QEII highway as 100,000 people in 26 communities have been evacuated from their homes due to flooding by recent heavy rains.

Much of downtown Calgary and areas near the Bow River is underwater and there are reports that the Saddledome has been flooded too and that the dressing rooms and the jumbotron have been destroyed.

The Canadian Military has been deployed and the EPS has sent 100 officers to help among efforts currently underway.

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Obviously as an Oilers fan we loving giving Calgarians a hard time. But there is no joking around in times like these and anyone looking to help can support the Canadian Red Cross here. Alternatively you can call 1-800-418-1111. Nation HQ has made a donation and we encourage everyone to do the same.

Stay strong Southern Alberta and everyone else affected by this tragedy.

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#101 aloudoun
June 21 2013, 11:29PM
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Before this week I thought it was just the Calgary Flames rebuilding... now its Calgary. We will get through this and be a better, stronger city and team.

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#102 Olderthendirt
June 22 2013, 07:51AM
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Flood insurance is found on some commerical policies, not on homeowners. But if your damage is from the drains or sewers backing up you may have coverage if you bought sewer back up coverage. The province has a program to HELP you repair damages. It will not pay the entire cost of repairs or replacement and only pays for essetials in contents. It does not pay for secondary residences. It will help businesses and communities. The Federal government repays the province for most of the money spent. If you suffered damage watch for the program to be announced and you must apply if you community is elegible.

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#103 Kurt
June 22 2013, 08:01AM
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DSF wrote:

Were the Prime Minister and Premier of those provinces from the flood devastated areas?

No they weren't.

Watch.

You should stick to being a know it all about hockey.

If you think the Feds are going to risk showing favouritism to Alberta who votes almost entirely Conservative already you need a lesson on the dynamics of Canadian federal politics. They will indeed help but it won't be anything more than Quebec got. No chance... In fact, some might say you could book it.

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#104 Tony
June 22 2013, 09:09AM
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First pic inside the dome.

https://twitter.com/42megasxlr/status/348331164307709952/photo/1

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#105 SmellOfVictory
June 22 2013, 09:34AM
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Calgary Flames '13-'14: 82 road games.

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#106 Kevin R
June 22 2013, 10:20AM
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SmellOfVictory wrote:

Calgary Flames '13-'14: 82 road games.

Did the Coral get flooded too, if not, I can see some games being played there while they repair the Dome if it can be. Interesting scenario if it cant be.

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#107 Tony
June 22 2013, 10:48AM
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Another photo from inside the Dome from Global Calgary:

https://twitter.com/GlobalCalgary/status/348479529653788672/photo/1

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#108 tileguy
June 22 2013, 10:55AM
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So a questions for those in the know.

Pretend I had a $500k home built, and put 100k down and mortgage the remaining 400k. Now the house is floating down the bow river. There is no insurance for flood over which this clearly is the case. Do I walk away from the property and default on my mtg? will/can the bank come after me to pay the balance. Has 20 years of working gone down the drain and i start at nothing again?

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#109 Kevin R
June 22 2013, 11:20AM
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tileguy wrote:

So a questions for those in the know.

Pretend I had a $500k home built, and put 100k down and mortgage the remaining 400k. Now the house is floating down the bow river. There is no insurance for flood over which this clearly is the case. Do I walk away from the property and default on my mtg? will/can the bank come after me to pay the balance. Has 20 years of working gone down the drain and i start at nothing again?

We are bracing ourselves for many of these type of scenarios. The answer is yes, the Bank is going to want payments maintained, even if their security is soggy raw land with some crumbling concrete foundation. Obviously the land value is way below the mortgage outstanding. If you walk away, they will foreclose & your credit will get screwed. Saying that, I expect it will be up to Provincial & Federal Governments to step in, which I cant imagine they wouldn't, and make some kind of agreement with the Banks to prevent that from happening. When you consider towns like High River with as many people being affected, the cost to the government will be nothing less than a Billion dollars, probably a few Billion if Medicine Hat get hit as bad as us. But there will be losses by everyone involved. You will have to wait & see what the governments announce, this is unprecedented, historic stuff. I don't think anyone knows how this is going to play out & will take years for the ramifications & stories to be told as they unfold.

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#110 David S
June 22 2013, 11:21AM
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tileguy wrote:

So a questions for those in the know.

Pretend I had a $500k home built, and put 100k down and mortgage the remaining 400k. Now the house is floating down the bow river. There is no insurance for flood over which this clearly is the case. Do I walk away from the property and default on my mtg? will/can the bank come after me to pay the balance. Has 20 years of working gone down the drain and i start at nothing again?

Asking for a friend?

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#111 Gaz
June 22 2013, 11:27AM
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@David S

Yes, the bank can in theory come after you for the balance, but in practice, they probably won't. It's rarely worth the legal bills that will be incurred.

The finance company will foreclose on the land, sell it for lot value (whatever that might be) to offset their loan write-off, and move on.

Re: flood insurance. My understanding is that in Edmonton, people in Riverdale/CLoverdale/Brickyard can buy flood insurance, but because these areas lie on a flood plain, the cost is prohibitive. I have flood insurance on my house, but because it is not on a flodplain, it is not particularly expensive. The fact that major portions of Calgary lie in low areas may in fact mean that the insurance companies declined to cover it (as a business they have that right; it's not them "screwing" the little guy).

So while such a scenario is really sad and I have total sympathy for homeowners that may not have flood insurance, it isn't like the insurance co's are backing out of a committment. The coverage was probably never there to begin with.

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#112 Gaz
June 22 2013, 11:30AM
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DSF wrote:

They will likely get both federal and provincial disaster assistance funds.

They will have to decide whether they use those funds to repair the Saddledome or put them toward the construction of a new arena.

I would wager they'll do the latter.

Want to put money down?

Eric Francis via twitter:

"For those thinking the #Flames may just mothball the Dome & build a new building guess again. Dome is still needed for at least 3 more yrs"

How much are we throwing in the ring?

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#113 tileguy
June 22 2013, 12:06PM
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@David S

No, just in shock, and it hits home how easily life can get ripped apart. Hockey seems secondary(if you can believe that)and hopefully 3 months down the road it will become a joyful little distraction for the good people down south.

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#114 DSF
June 22 2013, 12:18PM
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Gaz wrote:

Want to put money down?

Eric Francis via twitter:

"For those thinking the #Flames may just mothball the Dome & build a new building guess again. Dome is still needed for at least 3 more yrs"

How much are we throwing in the ring?

Oh, I have no doubt they will have to make the Saddledome playable for a couple of seasons but I'm also sure they won't spend a ton of money on it.

The Flames also own a majority stake in the Calgary Stampeders and there is a plan afoot to build a new arena as well as a replacement for rickety McMahon Stadium.

Likely, all the flooding has done is accelerate those plans and I would wager there will be federal and provincial dollars involved and rightly so IMO.

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#115 backburner
June 22 2013, 12:23PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Fair enough.backburner.

Just want to be a little less mundane than the other 99.9999% of contributors here. How sincere is it when a 10 second response here on this board is the limit to their contribution in this matter. What's wrong with a different perspective, or going against the current (no pun intended)

Just bored of all the usual insincere input here. Can we just stick to some controlled violence/hockey related conversation here on a hockey forum? Can't stand these bleeding heart interruptions.

Nice one, I take it back... I totally misjudged you. Turns out your a pretty decent dude after all. (Going against the current is actually pretty funny)

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#116 David S
June 22 2013, 12:26PM
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tileguy wrote:

No, just in shock, and it hits home how easily life can get ripped apart. Hockey seems secondary(if you can believe that)and hopefully 3 months down the road it will become a joyful little distraction for the good people down south.

I worked in Calgary's Inglewood for five years. Every day going to work I couldn't help thinking how little elevation difference there was from the river just a few hundred meters away. I mean, people had homes with the river literally outside their back door. Big spring runoffs were panic time every second year.

I hate to say it but this was bound to happen. No wonder nobody could buy flood insurance. Not sure I'd make that bet for a nice location.

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#117 David S
June 22 2013, 12:27PM
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The people in Edmonton's Riverdale are in the same pickle if the North Sakatchewan rises as much as they think it will.

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#118 tileguy
June 22 2013, 12:39PM
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And yet some will argue it's the government's fault. To tell you the truth, I'd rather see my taxes go to filling potholes than building fancy arenas for millionaires.

I bet most people up in Canmore never even thought once that they might get washed out one day. Are they stupid, unlucky, more money than brains. I guess that is why we coined the term "act of god"

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#119 Where's Your Towel
June 22 2013, 01:07PM
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I'd be pretty sad to see any federal money going to a Saddledome replacement while there are still Calgarians whose homes are not rebuilt.

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#120 Helen LaMontagne
June 22 2013, 04:42PM
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My state of Indiana has been in your shoes, Alberta.. we know how much it hurts and the anxiety that goes with such floods. Our hearts go out to you and our prayers are with you. Stay strong.. you've always been strong. My very best to you and yours during this trying time..

Sincerely, Helen LaMontagne

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#121 Dangilitis
June 22 2013, 04:51PM
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DSF, remember, 3 post max rule. No one cares that you lived in Calgary. I also live in Calgary but I have common sense and I am not a royal jacka$$. Stop turning the devastation into a reason to argue with people. You are such an unbelievable a$$. Did you even get your high school diploma?

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#122 Rod from Viking
June 22 2013, 05:27PM
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Alex wrote:

Praying is for stupid people and never help. But Helping people with money or by helping them in their town will work.

Are you sure? Have you ever tried it?

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#123 Rambelaya
June 22 2013, 05:43PM
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http://flames.nhl.com/club/gallery.htm?id=36968

Official gallery of the Saddledome.

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#124 TigerUnderGlass
June 22 2013, 05:57PM
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There are a number of people on here giving out legal analysis/advice who should not be doing so.

Spreading misinformation is not helpful in the least right now, so it would be great if maybe people avoided that topic when they have no idea what they are talking about.

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#125 Gaz
June 22 2013, 06:07PM
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@TigerUnderGlass

Are you referring to me?

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#126 TigerUnderGlass
June 22 2013, 06:18PM
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Gaz wrote:

Are you referring to me?

Among others.

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#127 Gaz
June 22 2013, 06:22PM
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@TigerUnderGlass

First, you are incorrect referring to my statements as legal advice. Anyone acting solely on information provided by a blog comments section would be daft.

Second, I work in corporate finance and am well-versed in banking - both commercial and personal. I'm comfortable with my comments.

What did I get wrong?

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#128 TigerUnderGlass
June 22 2013, 06:38PM
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@Gaz

Just stop. You do not know what you are talking about and you should stop in case anyone here believes you do.

What did I get wrong?

The first thing that comes to mind is:

Yes, the bank can in theory come after you for the balance, but in practice, they probably won't. It's rarely worth the legal bills that will be incurred. The finance company will foreclose on the land, sell it for lot value (whatever that might be) to offset their loan write-off, and move on.

If you just spent 30 seconds with the LPA you would know what was wrong with your statements.

You have no idea how foreclosures work. Stop it.

There very idea that working in "corporate finance" qualifies you to talk about the foreclosure process is absurd. Futher, in my opinion if you really worked in corporate finance you would know better than to consider the foreclosure process "banking" but I'll allow that it may have just been a poor turn of phrase.

Please just stop.

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#129 Gaz
June 22 2013, 07:02PM
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@TigerUnderGlass

Oh dear. Please tell me you aren't a lawyer.

If the mortgage is high-ratio ($400/$500) would mean it is - then yes, the individual is liable if there are monies owed after foreclosure of the property.

Next, if the mortgge is low ratio and registered as a collateral (vs. a conventional) mortgage - then the individual can also be liable for monies owed after foreclosure.

Stop. Just stop. This is painful.

Commercial banking and retail banking experience (10+ yrs).

Thanks for allowin me my "turn of phrase". Lesser mortals (who just proved you wrong) appreciate it. If any of my shorthand is unclear, forgive me. Typing this much on my Galaxy is tough.

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#130 TigerUnderGlass
June 22 2013, 07:30PM
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@Gaz

Proved me wrong? FFS pointing out exceptions to the rule doesn't make your original statement better. It makes it worse.

Stop being sad that someone said you were wrong and leave the topic alone.

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#131 Gaz
June 22 2013, 07:37PM
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Exception? The overwhelming majority of mortgages are high-ratio or collateral.

I'll admit i'm wrong when i am, but you just did a masterful job of ackowledging i'm right. Thank you.

I have no issue being wrong. It happens to everyone - including you. Stay humble!

Have a good night. I'm satisfied. You should be too.

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#132 TigerUnderGlass
June 22 2013, 08:21PM
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@Gaz

Screw it. I'm not in the mood for a vapid semantic argument. It has been a very long few days and I'm not taking the time now.

If the rule is "X" unless "a","b", or "c" which causes "Y", then the rule is not "Y" just because you believe it's more likely.

There is not a shred of accurate information in "banks can chase you for deficiency but they usually won't because it costs too much" unless you have accurate information about the facts of the situation.

That you are still trying to defend this idea is just stupid. You can think what you like, but I would strongly encourage others to obtain peoper advice if they need it.

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#133 TigerUnderGlass
June 22 2013, 08:47PM
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On a side note - your belief in the infallibility of a "collateral mortgage" restores my belief that you work/worked for a bank.

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#134 Kevin R
June 22 2013, 11:26PM
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Been a Broker & Lender for 25 years & before that ran the foreclosures after the NEP for 6 years. High ratio mortgages(insured) have covenants & lenders can pursue deficiency judgements for the total amount owed to the lender. Many monoline lenders these days like MCAP/Street Capital, RMG Mortgages to name a few insure all their mortgages, even if they are conventional as they will self insure the mortgages but the borrowers don't pay any insurance premiums. Banks like TD register all their mortgages as collateral mortgages so they can chose pursue the covenant(borrower) or if you have a line of credit that was secured by your house, then that is also a collateral mortgage as well. All your arguing is mute, as the governments will step in as it wont be in their best interests to sit back and watch Canadians credit get screwed up & Banks losing this kind of money because of a natural disaster. Its not good economics & its not good politics.

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#135 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2013, 12:09AM
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@Kevin R

This is amazing.

I ask people to please avoid making inaccurate blanket statements about legal matters like foreclosures and everyone takes it as an invitation to explain how very much they know.

You "ran the foreclosures"? That's an interesting description of a guy who calls the lawyer to ask if he will please foreclose on somebody.

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#136 @Oilanderp
June 23 2013, 02:52AM
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And suddenly.... DUMMIES!

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#137 The Soup Fascist
June 23 2013, 07:02AM
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I have watched nearly episode of Law and Order not to mention viewing "My Cousin Vinnie" several times (God, Marissa Tomei was hot in that movie) ....... so when in comes to "lawyering", I think I know of what I speak .......

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#138 Quicksilver ballet
June 23 2013, 08:36AM
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@The Soup Fascist

I watched Lincoln Lawyer 3 times, can I get my diploma as well sir?

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#139 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2013, 08:46AM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

I have watched nearly episode of Law and Order not to mention viewing "My Cousin Vinnie" several times (God, Marissa Tomei was hot in that movie) ....... so when in comes to "lawyering", I think I know of what I speak .......

Finally. Some authority.

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#140 The Soup Fascist
June 23 2013, 08:47AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

I watched Lincoln Lawyer 3 times, can I get my diploma as well sir?

If you provide evidence you watched a minimum three episodes of "Matlock" and plausibly explain how you can "work" 90 billable minutes in a 60 minute hour, you should be good to go.

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#141 The Soup Fascist
June 23 2013, 08:54AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

Finally. Some authority.

It appears I may have been a bit premature in terms of declaring myself an expert.

I have just been informed that "passing the bar" DOESN'T mean deciding not to stop at O'Malley's pub on the way home from work. Surely, this can't be the case.

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#142 Kevin R
June 23 2013, 10:31AM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:

This is amazing.

I ask people to please avoid making inaccurate blanket statements about legal matters like foreclosures and everyone takes it as an invitation to explain how very much they know.

You "ran the foreclosures"? That's an interesting description of a guy who calls the lawyer to ask if he will please foreclose on somebody.

"That's an interesting description of a guy who calls the lawyer to ask if he will please foreclose on somebody."

Wow. If that's what you think that is all I did, whatever. Be sure not to confuse what you think is knowledge with ignorance.

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#143 Olderthendirt
June 23 2013, 03:00PM
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Gaz wrote:

Yes, the bank can in theory come after you for the balance, but in practice, they probably won't. It's rarely worth the legal bills that will be incurred.

The finance company will foreclose on the land, sell it for lot value (whatever that might be) to offset their loan write-off, and move on.

Re: flood insurance. My understanding is that in Edmonton, people in Riverdale/CLoverdale/Brickyard can buy flood insurance, but because these areas lie on a flood plain, the cost is prohibitive. I have flood insurance on my house, but because it is not on a flodplain, it is not particularly expensive. The fact that major portions of Calgary lie in low areas may in fact mean that the insurance companies declined to cover it (as a business they have that right; it's not them "screwing" the little guy).

So while such a scenario is really sad and I have total sympathy for homeowners that may not have flood insurance, it isn't like the insurance co's are backing out of a committment. The coverage was probably never there to begin with.

Would be interested where you found flood insurance on your home (not sewer back up) and Emergency Management Alberta would also be interested. Unlike the USA where they have the National Flood Insurance Program I am not aware of any Canadian Insurer that writes flood on homes. (It may be possible through a Lloyds special risk program but the cost would be high.

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#144 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2013, 03:52PM
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Olderthendirt wrote:

Would be interested where you found flood insurance on your home (not sewer back up) and Emergency Management Alberta would also be interested. Unlike the USA where they have the National Flood Insurance Program I am not aware of any Canadian Insurer that writes flood on homes. (It may be possible through a Lloyds special risk program but the cost would be high.

Agreed. I don't believe you can get overland flood insurance anywhere in Canada, but I've never looked into it.

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#145 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2013, 04:13PM
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Kevin R wrote:

"That's an interesting description of a guy who calls the lawyer to ask if he will please foreclose on somebody."

Wow. If that's what you think that is all I did, whatever. Be sure not to confuse what you think is knowledge with ignorance.

It doesn't matter what your other duties were. As it pertains to foreclosing on a homeowner that's about as far as you could go unless you count swearing an affidavit.

If you were so important to the foreclosure process why don't you fill us in on all those valuable things you did?

I don't understand how 2 guys who think things are so cut and dry are trying to prop themselves up as experts.

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#146 Captain Ron
June 23 2013, 06:28PM
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David S wrote:

I worked in Calgary's Inglewood for five years. Every day going to work I couldn't help thinking how little elevation difference there was from the river just a few hundred meters away. I mean, people had homes with the river literally outside their back door. Big spring runoffs were panic time every second year.

I hate to say it but this was bound to happen. No wonder nobody could buy flood insurance. Not sure I'd make that bet for a nice location.

Not sure if anyone else mentioned this to you already but Inglewood did not flood. Might have been a little bit of sewer backup here and there but from what I understand there was no major flooding there at all. They have a dike in place to prevent that from happening.

I'm originally from Wpg and I have been through a few floods. Never in my widest dreams did I think downtown Calgary would go under water like that.

Also regarding flood insurance it is my understanding that "overland flood insurance" is not available. Sewer back up is covered a part of your Comprehensive package on your home insurance if you included that option.

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#147 Captain Ron
June 23 2013, 06:39PM
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Kevin R wrote:

Been a Broker & Lender for 25 years & before that ran the foreclosures after the NEP for 6 years. High ratio mortgages(insured) have covenants & lenders can pursue deficiency judgements for the total amount owed to the lender. Many monoline lenders these days like MCAP/Street Capital, RMG Mortgages to name a few insure all their mortgages, even if they are conventional as they will self insure the mortgages but the borrowers don't pay any insurance premiums. Banks like TD register all their mortgages as collateral mortgages so they can chose pursue the covenant(borrower) or if you have a line of credit that was secured by your house, then that is also a collateral mortgage as well. All your arguing is mute, as the governments will step in as it wont be in their best interests to sit back and watch Canadians credit get screwed up & Banks losing this kind of money because of a natural disaster. Its not good economics & its not good politics.

Irrelevant of some others who are questioning your credentials and knowledge your explanation of the possible outcome makes perfect sense. Certainly there is some merit there.

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#148 Captain Ron
June 23 2013, 06:48PM
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Helen LaMontagne wrote:

My state of Indiana has been in your shoes, Alberta.. we know how much it hurts and the anxiety that goes with such floods. Our hearts go out to you and our prayers are with you. Stay strong.. you've always been strong. My very best to you and yours during this trying time..

Sincerely, Helen LaMontagne

Thanks. We really appreciate that you would take the time to offer us your good wishes.

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#149 TigerUnderGlass
June 23 2013, 09:55PM
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Captain Ron wrote:

Irrelevant of some others who are questioning your credentials and knowledge your explanation of the possible outcome makes perfect sense. Certainly there is some merit there.

....aaaaand here is the problem.

You have information that sounds reasonable and is half right but not entirely correct and people think "oh that sounds right, I'll just assume that it is."

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#150 Lemming
June 23 2013, 10:36PM
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yawto wrote:

Here in Calgary we are staying strong and being optimistic. I talked to a guy who let me know the Saddledome was half full. I said, my friend, stay positive, it's half empty!!!

In reality, it's great to see the city come together in a disaster. Resilience is paramount and as Albertans we will all rise from this stronger. I think the weirdest thing as a Canadian is that we have everything so safe and secure seeing the large amount of green trucks filled with men in camo is different.

Hah, an excellent joke, glad to see you haven't lost your sense of humour!

I almost ended up living in Calgary during high school, and I've been there several times. Hope everything gets better soon, I'd be out to volunteer if I was in the country.

I'll be making my donation to the Red Cross later today.

- Sincerely, a who-gives-a-crap-where-I'm-from-or-what-team-I-cheer-for Canadian

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