IT WON'T BE LONG

Lowetide
June 22 2013 12:31PM

As we approach draft day and what is certainly looking to be a very busy time for the Oilers, it's important to be aware of all (ALL) available items for trade. Edmonton has a lot of assets.

STRONG ASSETS

  • #7 overall pick: No matter how you construct your draft board, there's going to be an outstanding player available. If the top 6 are Mackinnon, Jones, Drouin, Barkov, Nichuskin and Monahan, that leaves Lindholm, Nurse, Ristolainen and others still available. Exceptional value.
  • Ales Hemsky: Despite injuries and a subpar season, Hemsky is an attractive option for a couple of reasons: he creates offense and his contract has only one year remaining. A team like Ottawa or Montreal would have good reason to be interested in him. If cap room is an issue, the Oilers could retain some of the contract in order to improve quality of asset returning.

SIGNIFICANT ASSETS

  • Shawn Horcoff: A veteran 3rd line center in the NHL has value (Edmonton is actually going to be looking for one) and this fellow is the team captain. The contract situation can be improved by sharing (Edmonton takes on some of the money) the load, and there are teams that could surely use him. The question is: does Horc want to go to those teams?
  • #37 overall pick: This is a very valuable item, the 2013 draft is deep enough for this selection to be reasonably considered first round quality. Huge potential value. 
  • #56 overall pick: Still inside the second round where good value will remain in this draft.
  • Nick Schultz: Veteran has one more year remaining on his contract, and the Oilers may decide to cash him if they're attempting to upgrade the position. He has a fairly expensive cap hit, but veteran defensemen always have value.

ASSETS OF MEANDERING VALUE

  • Corey Potter: With the emergence of Taylor Fedun (strong end of season), the signing of Anton Belov and the presence of youngster Oscar Klefbom, Potter may be available. Although he isn't a strong top 4 option, NHL teams looking for depth would do well to look at him.
  • AHL players: You never know. There may be a team that highly values a player like Martin Marincin and is willing to overpay for the player. Unlikely for a team still building (as Edmonton is doing) but if the price is right anyone is available.
  • Linus Omark: Oilers retained his rights, and he might be a thrown in/addition for a team that would like to bring him in to see if he can help the offense.
  • Theo Peckham: A hidden gem in my opinion, the Oilers are extremely likely to walk away from him based on last season, but he has the kind out toughness, aggressiveness and ability NHL teams value. He's also young and inexpensive, all positives.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Edmonton Oilers are going to have to give in order to get, and we know that some of the young NHLers may be in play (although Sam Gagner apparently is not one of them based on MacT's comments). If the Oilers are going to keep their attractive young NHL players, then the draft picks, Hemsky and Horcoff, and minor/junior players like Martin Marincin may be in play.

It won't be long now.

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#1 Cool Beans
June 22 2013, 12:36PM
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With a new GM and a new coach, Teddy Pekham may have a resurgance in oil country.

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#2 John Chambers
June 22 2013, 12:41PM
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LT, you mentioned a week or so ago that you had a hunch Gagner would be dealt.

What do you think the chances are that MacT is willing to trade a player like Yak or Eberle if the right package, one that would include a Ryan McDonagh or Jon Carlson & change, are available?

Think the Silver Fox has the stones to make a deal like that?

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#3 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 22 2013, 12:41PM
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It's like waiting for x-mas!

pins and needles.

C'mon Chicago finish this off!

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#4 Jerod
June 22 2013, 12:46PM
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Oilers wish list.

1. Barkov 2. Monahan 3. Lindholm 4. Nurse

No idea where Nichuskin ranks on that list if he was available.

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#5 Eric
June 22 2013, 12:49PM
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Would the Oilers trade up with their 37 pick and 56 pick or something else, if Lazar was was still around. in the high 20's ?

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#6 Eddie Shore
June 22 2013, 12:56PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

No doubt. Lonnnngest month everrr!

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#7 Jerod
June 22 2013, 01:02PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

No doubt. Lonnnngest month everrr!

And then another minute past.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16HD9b5eByw

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#8 Citizen David
June 22 2013, 01:04PM
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Eric wrote:

Would the Oilers trade up with their 37 pick and 56 pick or something else, if Lazar was was still around. in the high 20's ?

Lazar will be gone by 15.

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#9 otter2233
June 22 2013, 01:06PM
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Hey LT, I agree aboot Peckham's possible value as much needed toughness. If the Oilers give him a chance for one more season is Dallas Eakins the type of coach who could get the most out of him? Giving up on Peckham now feels like giving up Matt Greene years ago...

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#10 T__Bone88
June 22 2013, 01:10PM
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This is going to be the longest week ever waiting until the finals are over so that all heck can break loose on trades/signings/buyouts. The cup finals have been amazing but I am now looking forward to the off-season to see what MacT does. It will be a tough choice what to do with the 7th overall, do you trade it for immediate help or draft the player knowing that they won't make an impact for at least 2-3 years. If the plan is to make the Oilers better now and Monahan is gone by the 7th selection I would trade for an upgrade on 2nd line center or a top 1/2 defenseman.

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#11 justDOit
June 22 2013, 01:24PM
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Cool Beans wrote:

With a new GM and a new coach, Teddy Pekham may have a resurgance in oil country.

And how many times did that new coach stress that fitness can not be over-stated in his introductory presser?

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#12 Oilers#1Fool
June 22 2013, 01:32PM
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PLEASE MacT do NOT sign gagner to a big bloated contract! Making him impossible to get rid of in two years when he loses His shine.(Shawn horcoff) lets just trade him now while his value is high! I promise you won't regret it!

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#13 Oilers#1Fool
June 22 2013, 01:40PM
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I'm just throwing it out there lol But I would love to see gagner for galchenyuk

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#14 Mojo
June 22 2013, 01:41PM
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What about taking Jordan Subban at 37? It may be impossible however since Montreal picks twice right before we do.

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#15 a lg dubl dubl
June 22 2013, 01:49PM
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I still think trading the 7th pick for help now is what the team needs.

Now is the time to prey on teams like Boston and Philly who are against(or over) the cap.

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#16 eastcoastoil
June 22 2013, 01:51PM
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LT, I have heard it before but I can't remember the argument against it....

Could Teddy be that coke machine we are looking for? Has he ever been tried, a year in OKC?

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#17 Oilcan
June 22 2013, 01:58PM
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What would Burmistov cost to acquire? I think he would ideally be that 2C if we had a 2 way 3C as well. I think he plays the type of game the Oilers would want and I dont think would cost much to trade for.

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#18 tapdog
June 22 2013, 02:15PM
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Oilcan wrote:

What would Burmistov cost to acquire? I think he would ideally be that 2C if we had a 2 way 3C as well. I think he plays the type of game the Oilers would want and I dont think would cost much to trade for.

I agree with this, given the right structure I think Burmi would be good here. Check out his stats he does his share of hitting and is solid defensively. Has the skill set to produce offensively too!

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#19 They're $hittie
June 22 2013, 02:15PM
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Oilers#1Fool wrote:

PLEASE MacT do NOT sign gagner to a big bloated contract! Making him impossible to get rid of in two years when he loses His shine.(Shawn horcoff) lets just trade him now while his value is high! I promise you won't regret it!

agreed but we have already done this with Eberle. This is why while eberle has a high value with the rest of the league and is overpaid I believe he is the one we should be trading to get the Dman.

I would rather not trade any of them, but you need value contracts and fair ones. Not over paid ones based on one year. (see gagners next contract)

In a perfect world eberle would be at 5M and Gagner would only have a case for max 5 and settle for 4.2.

Damn you tambo for this stupid 6M dollar precipitant. Hall is the best player why does anyone get paid as much as him.

Also could you imagine still having our 3rd and 4th this year and taking a good risk at Slepyshev with one of those picks.

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#22 They're $hittie
June 22 2013, 02:18PM
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@tapdog

so people think gagner doesnt provide enough offense for a second line center though he was top ten in ppg for centers last year; yet we want Burmistrov, who has not done a thing in this league yet. He has never shown any thing that should make anyone think yet that he is a number two center. Number three fine, but he has a long way to go to get to a number two.

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#24 eastcoastoil
June 22 2013, 02:20PM
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@Lowetide

He is a left hander, how would that process start?

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#25 kenta
June 22 2013, 02:24PM
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A Flames fan prediction. Oilers do a deal with Carolina for #5 and jump over our overfed GM.

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#26 Oilcan
June 22 2013, 02:31PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

so people think gagner doesnt provide enough offense for a second line center though he was top ten in ppg for centers last year; yet we want Burmistrov, who has not done a thing in this league yet. He has never shown any thing that should make anyone think yet that he is a number two center. Number three fine, but he has a long way to go to get to a number two.

I have never heard anyone say Gagner doesn't provide enough offense for a #2 center. People say he doesn't or hasn't shown that he has the other intangibles to be a good fit for the Oilers at #2 center. I agree with these people to an extent but the oilers could do way worse. I like burmistov and I think he could've had for cheap. Since the oilers are loaded with skilled wingers I'd like to see the oilers bring in two 2way centres to be complimentary to the wingers, it's an unconventional method cuz ideally you want your skill to be in the middle but I think it works with the oilers.

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#27 Oilcan
June 22 2013, 02:31PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

so people think gagner doesnt provide enough offense for a second line center though he was top ten in ppg for centers last year; yet we want Burmistrov, who has not done a thing in this league yet. He has never shown any thing that should make anyone think yet that he is a number two center. Number three fine, but he has a long way to go to get to a number two.

I have never heard anyone say Gagner doesn't provide enough offense for a #2 center. People say he doesn't or hasn't shown that he has the other intangibles to be a good fit for the Oilers at #2 center. I agree with these people to an extent but the oilers could do way worse. I like burmistov and I think he could've had for cheap. Since the oilers are loaded with skilled wingers I'd like to see the oilers bring in two 2way centres to be complimentary to the wingers, it's an unconventional method cuz ideally you want your skill to be in the middle but I think it works with the oilers.

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#28 nuge2nail
June 22 2013, 02:38PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

I think MacT will only trade the #7 for a proven game changer. A Vanek, Edler, Yandle, Letang type player in a package deal.

If not, select Lindholm and add a significant peice to improve our Center depth.

Teddy would be a good signing, a season of Eakins conditioning might turn Pecks back into the player he was pre-concussions. One can hope.

Addition of Luongo, an all star calibre goalie while his value is lowest would go a long way to getting us into the playoffs. Worst case we end up with two good Goalies, and a valuable trade asset.

Longest week ever, so looking forward to some changes... All Hail MacT... Too soon?

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#29 madjam
June 22 2013, 02:40PM
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Carolina deal for J.Stall , who had a terrible year there last year in a shortened season , -25 I believe . Might he be worth our 7th ?

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#30 Oilers#1Fool
June 22 2013, 02:44PM
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@They're $hittie

I would have to argue with out question eberle will be the better Player for years to come out of him and gagner. And if eberle is overpaid Has yet to be determined (i really hope thats not the case lol)as his big contract starts this year doesn't it? I think gagner is the perfect trade chip for us his contracts up,he's had one of his better seasons and he's a small player on a small team. i think those three things scream trade. I know a lot of people feel differnt, but I love the idea of more Russians in the oilers system

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#31 nuge2nail
June 22 2013, 02:46PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

I would like to see Burmistrov come in as well, possibly Burmistrov and Bogosian for Gagner and _______.

Luongo for our two seconds would be my ideal trade.

7 years is too long without the postseason. Luongo will help the team compete for the playoffs now - the two second rounders are 3-4 years away from being rookies. The cap goes up every year, free agency is thinning, we won't have cap issues in the future, not because of Luongo at least.

The opposite idea to this is spending 5 million on a defenseman and hoping the Defenceman has a positive impact on Dubnyk, and the team improves.

Problem is there are no 5 million dollar Defenceman available. . Luongo creates depth in goal which creates a trading chip to eventually fill in the d hole- assuming Dubnyk continues to improve.

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#32 madjam
June 22 2013, 03:00PM
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Might be premature to start trading our youth and end up like Philly did going that path with Richards , Carter and others . They are not overly pleased with their new young group either . Maybe this is not a good year for letting assets like Horcoff and Hemsky get awa y, if we cannot replace them with upgrades and not the accustomed downgrades we seem to accumulate .

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#33 GRIP IT AND RIP IT
June 22 2013, 03:05PM
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I am sooo tired of everyone who wants to trade the core of our team while they are at the earliest points in their careers. Suck it up Oiler fans, we will be a force in the not too distant future and shuffling the deck with non-core players is the only way to improve

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#34 treevojo
June 22 2013, 03:26PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

I would like to see Burmistrov come in as well, possibly Burmistrov and Bogosian for Gagner and _______.

Luongo for our two seconds would be my ideal trade.

7 years is too long without the postseason. Luongo will help the team compete for the playoffs now - the two second rounders are 3-4 years away from being rookies. The cap goes up every year, free agency is thinning, we won't have cap issues in the future, not because of Luongo at least.

The opposite idea to this is spending 5 million on a defenseman and hoping the Defenceman has a positive impact on Dubnyk, and the team improves.

Problem is there are no 5 million dollar Defenceman available. . Luongo creates depth in goal which creates a trading chip to eventually fill in the d hole- assuming Dubnyk continues to improve.

I'm pretty sure gillis would love if you were the gm for the oilers. Two second round picks and not having to take a bad contract back would be a dream situation for Vancouver. Glad we have the silver fox running things.

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#35 FSD
June 22 2013, 03:33PM
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Perhaps Oilers will pick Nurse at #7. He has a great shot and can skate for a big man.

According to Head scout of redline report there are the top 2 D -men Jones and Nurse and then a drop off.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/columnist/woodlief/2013/06/11/nhl-draft-red-line-report-defensemen/2412515/

"Nurse, who is the most naturally physical defender available. He made good strides in his offensive game and has a heavy shot that is an asset on the power play. He likes to dish out punishment along the walls and easily separates his check from the puck. Nurse also scores off the charts in both his character and intelligence levels, and at a gangly 6-5, already has the footwork of a much smaller man."

I like a that a top scout said "heavy shot".

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#36 Jimmer
June 22 2013, 03:35PM
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@Lowtide

Why is Ryan O'Reily not being talked about. Yes he is asking for a lot of money but is he not the type of centre we want and someone that Colorado wouldn't mind trading?

Would a long term deal of 6 years for 35M not get it done?

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#38 tapdog
June 22 2013, 03:49PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

so people think gagner doesnt provide enough offense for a second line center though he was top ten in ppg for centers last year; yet we want Burmistrov, who has not done a thing in this league yet. He has never shown any thing that should make anyone think yet that he is a number two center. Number three fine, but he has a long way to go to get to a number two.

I never said Gagner did not provide offense. unfortunately that is all he can provide. He is not concerned with learning the defensive side of the game. providing one out of the three areas needed does not make this team better. Sorry if you do not agree but Burmistrov is far better defensively already, hits more often than not and simply was not connecting with Claude Noel. Put him with skilled wingers and I think he will project better than Sammy.

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#39 a lg dubl dubl
June 22 2013, 03:50PM
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@Jimmer

If Im talking to the Avs its for Duschene

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#40 Oilers#1Fool
June 22 2013, 03:54PM
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@Lowetide What do you think about gagner for Galchenyuk? Is something like this Realistic? Or make sense?

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#41 nuge2nail
June 22 2013, 03:58PM
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@treevojo

Oiler Domination To Follow

Lets just keep the seconds and keep the average goaltending we have, an hope the longest playoff drought in the NhL ends on it's own.

Maybe Scuderi and MacCarthur will have enough impact to change the culture here. I'm sure the Lababera Dubnyk combo is suffice for you.

Luongo is the answer. Miller, Hiller might get it done, Emery could possibly be an option but I think lots of teams will be in on him. I think the cost of Hiller and Miller will be much much higher than a couple seconds.

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#42 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 22 2013, 04:07PM
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madjam wrote:

Might be premature to start trading our youth and end up like Philly did going that path with Richards , Carter and others . They are not overly pleased with their new young group either . Maybe this is not a good year for letting assets like Horcoff and Hemsky get awa y, if we cannot replace them with upgrades and not the accustomed downgrades we seem to accumulate .

That ship has already sailed my friend....Hemmer and Horcs are gonzo.....only question remaining is what are we getting back in return.......

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#43 Ever the Optimist
June 22 2013, 04:17PM
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otter2233 wrote:

Hey LT, I agree aboot Peckham's possible value as much needed toughness. If the Oilers give him a chance for one more season is Dallas Eakins the type of coach who could get the most out of him? Giving up on Peckham now feels like giving up Matt Greene years ago...

Might be an idea to start him in the AHL at a wing position and see how his conditioning is this year or if we have another perennial pancake lover.

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#44 Ever the Optimist
June 22 2013, 04:17PM
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Hey LT, I agree aboot Peckham's possible value as much needed toughness. If the Oilers give him a chance for one more season is Dallas Eakins the type of coach who could get the most out of him? Giving up on Peckham now feels like giving up Matt Greene years ago...

Might be an idea to start him in the AHL at a wing position and see how his conditioning is this year or if we have another perennial pancake lover.

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#45 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 22 2013, 04:19PM
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And another minute goes past......

I can't believe the time I'm spending reading about the same rumours/ideas over and over again in a desperate attempt to get just another small fix ...waiting for the day the first real deal goes down......

I hope the first one is a small hit....A fourth liner....I don't want to OD and miss all the action....

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#46 Quicksilver ballet
June 22 2013, 04:24PM
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@Oilers#1Fool

Love Galchenyuk, but why would the Habs consider dealing him already.

It would take a monster overpayment to do this. Have to think something along the lines of an Eberle and a subsidized Hemsky perhaps.

Might have a better chance of success going after Seguin. Maybe with a move along this line, Boston could hang on to the Lucics, Hortons, Ferences on their roster.

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#47 Dangilitis
June 22 2013, 04:59PM
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I know the writing is on the wall for Hemsky, and he is not suited to be a checking winger. But here's the issue. He was not playing to this potential for a few years mostly because of shoulder (AC) joint problems (chronic pain). Finally that gets sorted out, and the guy has a freak injury (broken foot) that now gives him the label injury prone. He may very well be, but people make him out to be the next Whitney. I do believe that whoever picks him up will be a winner of the deal, because he is an effective player and I think the biggest issue with his health (shoulder) is behind him. He will never consistently drive the bus on a team again, but he will be a great addition to the top 6 of a competitive team (I wonder if Boston looks his way). I definitely could be wrong about this one, but those of you lined up to tell me I am wrong should wait a few years, that's all I am saying. But he's no longer an Oiler, sadly.

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#48 Quicksilver ballet
June 22 2013, 05:08PM
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@Dangilitis

He's had 10 yrs to be a leader here. It just isn't going to happen for him, even if you wait another 5 yrs. He marches to the beat of his own drummer, and that beat, in itself appears to be more important than the leadership role here he could've taken on. Don't get me wrong, nobody wants to see him fail on his next opportunity. It's clear, it was never ever going to happen for him here unless he changed his outlook on the game.

I hope he gets 40 goals this coming season, it just isn't going to happen here in Edmonton for him.

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#49 Bucknuck
June 22 2013, 05:31PM
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The big knock on Gagner is that he is terrible at faceoffs. So is RNH. Then you have GM that wants to have good puck possession, which starts with faceoffs. I like Gagner a LOT, but if he can't move to the wing, trade him.

Trading for Galchenyuk, while it would be an improvement, would be a step backward in the faceoff circle, since his numbers are worse than Gagner. I don't think he's the solution, and Montreal would be crazy to do it anyways.

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#50 Dangilitis
June 22 2013, 05:35PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

I agree with everything you say, as you may have picked up from my post. I think, however, we are doing him a disservice my ragging on him now, and we are going to be selling him at the lowest possible value. If he remains injury free you could sell him at the deadline, likely with a better return, but Yak has usurped his role, and the Oilers can't afford to pay a checking winger 5 million a season, especially when said player is not a checking winger. He is a scoring winger, and trades like the mainstream media are suggesting (Hemsky for Stafford, thus replacing 1 year of overpaid contract with 2 years of an overpaid contract) are stupid and surely lower his value even further.

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