IT WON'T BE LONG

Lowetide
June 22 2013 12:31PM

As we approach draft day and what is certainly looking to be a very busy time for the Oilers, it's important to be aware of all (ALL) available items for trade. Edmonton has a lot of assets.

STRONG ASSETS

  • #7 overall pick: No matter how you construct your draft board, there's going to be an outstanding player available. If the top 6 are Mackinnon, Jones, Drouin, Barkov, Nichuskin and Monahan, that leaves Lindholm, Nurse, Ristolainen and others still available. Exceptional value.
  • Ales Hemsky: Despite injuries and a subpar season, Hemsky is an attractive option for a couple of reasons: he creates offense and his contract has only one year remaining. A team like Ottawa or Montreal would have good reason to be interested in him. If cap room is an issue, the Oilers could retain some of the contract in order to improve quality of asset returning.

SIGNIFICANT ASSETS

  • Shawn Horcoff: A veteran 3rd line center in the NHL has value (Edmonton is actually going to be looking for one) and this fellow is the team captain. The contract situation can be improved by sharing (Edmonton takes on some of the money) the load, and there are teams that could surely use him. The question is: does Horc want to go to those teams?
  • #37 overall pick: This is a very valuable item, the 2013 draft is deep enough for this selection to be reasonably considered first round quality. Huge potential value. 
  • #56 overall pick: Still inside the second round where good value will remain in this draft.
  • Nick Schultz: Veteran has one more year remaining on his contract, and the Oilers may decide to cash him if they're attempting to upgrade the position. He has a fairly expensive cap hit, but veteran defensemen always have value.

ASSETS OF MEANDERING VALUE

  • Corey Potter: With the emergence of Taylor Fedun (strong end of season), the signing of Anton Belov and the presence of youngster Oscar Klefbom, Potter may be available. Although he isn't a strong top 4 option, NHL teams looking for depth would do well to look at him.
  • AHL players: You never know. There may be a team that highly values a player like Martin Marincin and is willing to overpay for the player. Unlikely for a team still building (as Edmonton is doing) but if the price is right anyone is available.
  • Linus Omark: Oilers retained his rights, and he might be a thrown in/addition for a team that would like to bring him in to see if he can help the offense.
  • Theo Peckham: A hidden gem in my opinion, the Oilers are extremely likely to walk away from him based on last season, but he has the kind out toughness, aggressiveness and ability NHL teams value. He's also young and inexpensive, all positives.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Edmonton Oilers are going to have to give in order to get, and we know that some of the young NHLers may be in play (although Sam Gagner apparently is not one of them based on MacT's comments). If the Oilers are going to keep their attractive young NHL players, then the draft picks, Hemsky and Horcoff, and minor/junior players like Martin Marincin may be in play.

It won't be long now.

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#51 madjam
June 22 2013, 05:38PM
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Any word as to what the Oilers are getting for Hemsky and Horcoff ,etc.- draft choices , or players , or both ?

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#52 Jackson
June 22 2013, 05:40PM
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@madjam

Perhaps Oilers will pick Nurse at #7. He has a great shot and can skate for a big man.

According to Head scout of redline report there are the top 2 D -men Jones and Nurse and then a drop off.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/columnist/woodlief/2013/06/11/nhl-draft-red-line-report-defensemen/2412515/

"Nurse, who is the most naturally physical defender available. He made good strides in his offensive game and has a heavy shot that is an asset on the power play. He likes to dish out punishment along the walls and easily separates his check from the puck. Nurse also scores off the charts in both his character and intelligence levels, and at a gangly 6-5, already has the footwork of a much smaller man."

I like a that a top scout said "heavy shot".

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#53 madjam
June 22 2013, 05:48PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

And another minute goes past......

I can't believe the time I'm spending reading about the same rumours/ideas over and over again in a desperate attempt to get just another small fix ...waiting for the day the first real deal goes down......

I hope the first one is a small hit....A fourth liner....I don't want to OD and miss all the action....

Enough talk of the top lines . Here's my bottom line and 2 additional .B.Butter , C.Neil , E.Nystrom , J.Boll ,T.Scott . Now who can you use to get them without touching top 8 forwards or top 4 defenceman ?

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#54 Bucknuck
June 22 2013, 05:49PM
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Dangilitis wrote:

I agree with everything you say, as you may have picked up from my post. I think, however, we are doing him a disservice my ragging on him now, and we are going to be selling him at the lowest possible value. If he remains injury free you could sell him at the deadline, likely with a better return, but Yak has usurped his role, and the Oilers can't afford to pay a checking winger 5 million a season, especially when said player is not a checking winger. He is a scoring winger, and trades like the mainstream media are suggesting (Hemsky for Stafford, thus replacing 1 year of overpaid contract with 2 years of an overpaid contract) are stupid and surely lower his value even further.

Interesting that the Buffalo media describe the Stafford Hemsky trade as a bad idea for their club, saying it won't happen. One scribe described stafford as a 30 goal scorer, and described Hemsky as a broken down has been.

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#55 madjam
June 22 2013, 05:51PM
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Sorry - Make that Brandon Sutter not Butter ; and John Scott , not T.Scott .

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#56 Taylor Gang
June 22 2013, 06:11PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Love Galchenyuk, but why would the Habs consider dealing him already.

It would take a monster overpayment to do this. Have to think something along the lines of an Eberle and a subsidized Hemsky perhaps.

Might have a better chance of success going after Seguin. Maybe with a move along this line, Boston could hang on to the Lucics, Hortons, Ferences on their roster.

Seguin and Galchenyuk have as much value to their teams as the kids do to ours, the difference being that we have more of them.

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#57 Taylor Gang
June 22 2013, 06:13PM
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I loved when Horcoff said he wanted to be traded to a contender... Yeah sorry buddy, your contract sucks so royally it's ridiculous. Because of this, I think the only way he's gone is if he's bought out.

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#58 Bucknuck
June 22 2013, 06:20PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Seguin and Galchenyuk have as much value to their teams as the kids do to ours, the difference being that we have more of them.

I agree with that. No way those teams trade those players (you can include players like Evander Kane and Steve Stamkos and and and), unless it's a massive overpay (Think Hall and our #7). It doesn't make sense for them otherwise.

I think this team has the top end talent and needs to focus on the second tier. If MacT can get one more goal per game out of the third/fourth lines then the team will be above the cut line.

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#59 DSF
June 22 2013, 07:02PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

I agree with that. No way those teams trade those players (you can include players like Evander Kane and Steve Stamkos and and and), unless it's a massive overpay (Think Hall and our #7). It doesn't make sense for them otherwise.

I think this team has the top end talent and needs to focus on the second tier. If MacT can get one more goal per game out of the third/fourth lines then the team will be above the cut line.

What a peculiar notion.

If the Oilers got "one more goal per game out of the third/fourth lines", they would be the highest scoring team in the league by a country mile.

Last season Pittsburgh scored 3.38 GPG.

If the Oilers scored an additional 1 GPG, they would score 3.56 GPG.

The highest scoring team since the last lockout was the 2009/10 Washington Capitals at 3.82 GPG.

Expecting your bottom 6, given how little ice time they get, to score anywhere near that much is just a pipe dram.

Typically, good teams get a lot of secondary scoring from their defense and, other than Schultz Jr., they're a dead zone on the back end.

Jeff Petry was the second highest scoring defenseman on the Oilers last season and all he could manage was 12 points.

Vancouver. for example, had 4 defensemen to hit that mark or better.

Chicago also had four.

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#60 treevojo
June 22 2013, 07:17PM
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@nuge2nail

I wasn't saying luongo isn't a good goaltender although I don't think he is the answer. I just said gillis would wet his pants if he thought he could get rid of that albatross of a contract and receive two seconds without having to take back a bad contract.

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#61 Kodiak
June 22 2013, 07:34PM
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DSF wrote:

What a peculiar notion.

If the Oilers got "one more goal per game out of the third/fourth lines", they would be the highest scoring team in the league by a country mile.

Last season Pittsburgh scored 3.38 GPG.

If the Oilers scored an additional 1 GPG, they would score 3.56 GPG.

The highest scoring team since the last lockout was the 2009/10 Washington Capitals at 3.82 GPG.

Expecting your bottom 6, given how little ice time they get, to score anywhere near that much is just a pipe dram.

Typically, good teams get a lot of secondary scoring from their defense and, other than Schultz Jr., they're a dead zone on the back end.

Jeff Petry was the second highest scoring defenseman on the Oilers last season and all he could manage was 12 points.

Vancouver. for example, had 4 defensemen to hit that mark or better.

Chicago also had four.

The Oilers scored 2.56 g/g. Adding a goal a game would have them scoring 3.56, not 4.56. I think most people are astute enough to understand the gist of what Bucknuck was trying to say, that we need to have a more productive bottom six. Even adding 0.25 g/g would have put us 7th in scoring this past season. I'd focus a lot more on improving our defence too, but there's no question an improved bottom six is a must as well.

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#62 Senhor
June 22 2013, 07:36PM
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I can't wait for the draft to be over and at this point could care less who the Oilers pick. Just give me relief from Neap Tide and his constant yammering about the draft. Here and on the radio. Take a break. Just stop,

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#64 The Soup Fascist
June 22 2013, 08:04PM
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Senhor wrote:

I can't wait for the draft to be over and at this point could care less who the Oilers pick. Just give me relief from Neap Tide and his constant yammering about the draft. Here and on the radio. Take a break. Just stop,

Thanks for defining what an Internet troll is.

Feel free to pass up reading any blog offerings or listening to any radio broadcasts that don't tickle your fancy.

It is just that simple.

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#65 Rod from Viking
June 22 2013, 08:07PM
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@Lowetide

With the Oiler's out of the playoffs so early even with the GM and coach changes the options have pretty well been exhausted and beat to death. Once the playoffs are over there will be lots of material to write about. How about an article on the Oilers pro and amateur scouts?

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#66 madjam
June 22 2013, 08:13PM
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How many NHL players reside here in the summer from other clubs ? Are the Flames wanting Kipper and Iginla back ? What is plan B if Saddledome not ready for next season . What's the latest on Shanahan ?

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#68 Taylor Gang
June 22 2013, 08:41PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I'm always open to new ideas for the radio or blog. What would you like to hear/read?

I have a question actually... How much losing do the Oilers have to do before Lowe gets fired? Hahaha :)

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#70 Taylor Gang
June 22 2013, 08:53PM
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I wonder if it's out of the question to package Gagner and the 7th for a big time player. People are undervaluing Gagner's value plus it took a third line centre plus the 8th overall pick for Jordan Staal

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#71 madjam
June 22 2013, 09:19PM
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Did Hemsky and/or Horcoff request to move or was the decision to move them ?

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#72 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 22 2013, 09:36PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I'm always open to new ideas for the radio or blog. What would you like to hear/read?

More about the draft please.

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#73 Walter Sobchak
June 22 2013, 09:50PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

The big knock on Gagner is that he is terrible at faceoffs. So is RNH. Then you have GM that wants to have good puck possession, which starts with faceoffs. I like Gagner a LOT, but if he can't move to the wing, trade him.

Trading for Galchenyuk, while it would be an improvement, would be a step backward in the faceoff circle, since his numbers are worse than Gagner. I don't think he's the solution, and Montreal would be crazy to do it anyways.

That's just one knock on Gagner, the others are cheating for offense and struggling defensively at times.

Average height and foot speed being less of an issue, but still an issue.

I just want the playoffs to end!!

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#74 book¡e
June 22 2013, 09:52PM
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I am so sick of coming here every day to read about the draft, potential trades, nhl games, prospects, NHL rule changes, the AHL, and photoshop contests. Seriously, what gives with hammering away on this stuff here all of the time.

Do you think people come to OilersNation.com to read about hockey and the Oilers? Get a clue and get to writing about 17th century French literature as would be expected at a blog like this.

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#75 Quicksilver ballet
June 22 2013, 09:57PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Great idea! I'm on it!

A few more NHL13 style trade proposals would help to stir the masses LT. If you really want to chap some hides here, put up why you think Shea Weber will be on the move in the next 18 months. Lotsa passion in that topic I bet, could make it to page 5 on that baby alone.

Tazer anyone who doesn't agree with you, they'll all recover in time for Friday when the fun and games begin. Set tazers to stun!

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#77 Quicksilver ballet
June 22 2013, 10:06PM
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Have to think that Sakic opting for MacKinnon instead of Jones goes to show how strongly and how much influence Patrick Roy now has in that organization. Good to have a kid with his talent in the western conference.

Could the Oilers get a first rounder in 2014 for Hemsky at half price?

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#78 Quicksilver ballet
June 22 2013, 10:14PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Maybe some 7 of 9 photos? :-)

Your call. Not sure if Oilersnation is ready for that kinda heat yet. It'd be difficult to narrow it down to even 6 images of her. She alone is a weapon in itself. Adrienne Barbeau flaring her nostrils always made me weak in the knees.

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#79 Walter Sobchak
June 22 2013, 10:20PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Have to think that Sakic opting for MacKinnon instead of Jones goes to show how strongly and how much influence Patrick Roy now has in that organization. Good to have a kid with his talent in the western conference.

Could the Oilers get a first rounder in 2014 for Hemsky at half price?

I honestly don't see why not? I can think of a few teams that might give a first for Hemsky.

At least Hemsky and half his salary, possibly a throw in as well.

Target teams might be

NYI - DET - CBJ - ANH - DAL.

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#80 Quicksilver ballet
June 22 2013, 10:40PM
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@Walter Sobchak

Dallas all the way. That could be a top 10 pick next season. There's any number of teams that could struggle unexpectedly. Nashville, Phoenix, Montreal and the Capitals, tough call.

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#81 Walter Sobchak
June 22 2013, 10:43PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Dallas all the way. That could be a top 10 pick next season. There's any number of teams that could struggle unexpectedly. Nashville, Phoenix, Montreal and the Capitals, tough call.

Forgot to mention NJD who I think are going to fall off a cliff soon, they also have to give up there first rounder next year as well, could be a top ten for sure.

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#82 madjam
June 22 2013, 11:18PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Have to think that Sakic opting for MacKinnon instead of Jones goes to show how strongly and how much influence Patrick Roy now has in that organization. Good to have a kid with his talent in the western conference.

Could the Oilers get a first rounder in 2014 for Hemsky at half price?

There's talk of Stafford and a 16th from Buffalo for Hemsky .

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#83 Bucknuck
June 23 2013, 01:22AM
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DSF wrote:

What a peculiar notion.

If the Oilers got "one more goal per game out of the third/fourth lines", they would be the highest scoring team in the league by a country mile.

Last season Pittsburgh scored 3.38 GPG.

If the Oilers scored an additional 1 GPG, they would score 3.56 GPG.

The highest scoring team since the last lockout was the 2009/10 Washington Capitals at 3.82 GPG.

Expecting your bottom 6, given how little ice time they get, to score anywhere near that much is just a pipe dram.

Typically, good teams get a lot of secondary scoring from their defense and, other than Schultz Jr., they're a dead zone on the back end.

Jeff Petry was the second highest scoring defenseman on the Oilers last season and all he could manage was 12 points.

Vancouver. for example, had 4 defensemen to hit that mark or better.

Chicago also had four.

You're absolutely right. I should have used the words "secondary scoring" but I didn't want to include the second line.

You actually emphasized my point rather well. I don't think the top lines are the problem, it's everyone else that needs to put the puck in the net, and if you include the bottom four defensemen, then that is ten players. Expecting ten players increase their goal production by eight goals per is a LOT, but when you consider that outside the top defender and the top six, there were only 30 goals scored, there is a LOT of room for improvement.

And you demonstrated that if they up their game in the bottom portion of the roster that it would put them up with the elite. Thank you. You made the point for me.

Thanks

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#84 nuge2nail
June 23 2013, 02:51AM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Lets see the task list for MacT.

1. Create secondary scoring 2. Create better overall team defence 3. Improve the scoring from the back end 4. Improve the defensive play of the back end. 5. Create a goalie tandem that puts pressure on Dubnyk 6. Improve the goaltending 7. Improve overall team size 8. Improve overall team toughness 9. Change the team culture 10. Surround the developing kids with veteran support and mentors

Trade chips: Horcoff, Hemsky, 7th overall pick.

Good luck MacTavish check off everything on the list and we will have playoffs after 7 long painful seasons.

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#85 G Money
June 23 2013, 03:56AM
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Senhor wrote:

I can't wait for the draft to be over and at this point could care less who the Oilers pick. Just give me relief from Neap Tide and his constant yammering about the draft. Here and on the radio. Take a break. Just stop,

I'm totally with you on this bro!

I mean first of all, if I go to a site called "OilersNation", I expect the topics to cover a whole lot more than just the stupid Edmonton Oilers and their stupid draft picks! What about the Houston Oilers? Or the Okotoks Oilers? What about OIL AND GAS??? I mean, come on.

And secondly, it's impossible to avoid this Lowetide guy. It might be easier if they would have, you know, like a title and an author byline at the top or something, but NOOOOOOOO. And even if they did, you can't avoid it anyway, because that Lowetide guy comes over to my house every time he posts and forces me at gunpoint to read the damn article!

So I am forced to resort to the *only* possible solution - post a complaint. Please Mr. Site, do something!

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#86 G Money
June 23 2013, 03:59AM
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On more relevant topics -

1. I fear that the list of assets above, while decent, is *not* enough to actually fill the gaps.

2. Though I hear she is not exactly a complete human being, I still find Megan Fox ridiculously hot.

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#87 pelhem grenville
June 23 2013, 06:32AM
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...on females I like

Adrienne Barbeau...thanks Q ...

7of9 ??????????????????????????????????????

triple overtime yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

... why did Megan Fox tattoo herself like that?

a waste of a perfectly good forearm...yuck!

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#88 a lg dubl dubl
June 23 2013, 07:20AM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

...on females I like

Adrienne Barbeau...thanks Q ...

7of9 ??????????????????????????????????????

triple overtime yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

... why did Megan Fox tattoo herself like that?

a waste of a perfectly good forearm...yuck!

As long as she doesn't go Mike Tyson and tattoo her face, Im ok with her lol

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#89 michael
June 23 2013, 07:45AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Have to think that Sakic opting for MacKinnon instead of Jones goes to show how strongly and how much influence Patrick Roy now has in that organization. Good to have a kid with his talent in the western conference.

Could the Oilers get a first rounder in 2014 for Hemsky at half price?

I would be so stoked if Colorado took NM. The rise in the competition in the WC with the addition of players like Yakupov,Hall,RNH,Landeskog and Duchene will only make the WC the more dominant conference for years to come. Oiler vs Colorad tickets will be at a premium. Especially you add Roy to the mix. We hate the Nucks enough already.But add John Tortorella to the mix? I could see a MacT vs Tort battle royale. If we did not have reason enough to hate the the nucks.Lindy Ruff is going make the Stars tough as nails to play against. Never mind that the hated Jets are finally coming back to the WC. You want rivalry wait till they show up on Saturday night hockey. Bring your big boy pants for those games. Claude Noel and Torterella in the same post game news conference. Fun? Like eating barbwire. The loss of the Wings and the BJ's will be offset I think by the Yotes eventual move to QC. I for one do not believe that they will remain in Phoenix. The NHL cannot sustain the bad PR. It has to end sooner than later. If its me I suspend the franchise for a year and move them next season. Dispersal draft?

Lowetide will you be in Penticton for the Young Stars completion? What a loaded tournament that will be. Sunshine, hockey and hooch. I assume you will be at the draft in Newark next week?Live Blog?

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#90 michael
June 23 2013, 07:55AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I honestly don't see why not? I can think of a few teams that might give a first for Hemsky.

At least Hemsky and half his salary, possibly a throw in as well.

Target teams might be

NYI - DET - CBJ - ANH - DAL.

I think Detroit is especially vulnerable moving to the eastern Conference next season. Aging veterans with a smallish team going into the EC against teams like Pittsburgh and Boston? I see a definite drop off coming for the Wings. I see them not making the playoffs in the EC for the next 2-3 seasons until they adjust to the difference in style that the EC plays. The only benefit they receive is the travel. Easier on the veterans but not enough to make up the competitive difference imo.

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#91 Ca$h-Money!
June 23 2013, 08:06AM
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michael wrote:

I think Detroit is especially vulnerable moving to the eastern Conference next season. Aging veterans with a smallish team going into the EC against teams like Pittsburgh and Boston? I see a definite drop off coming for the Wings. I see them not making the playoffs in the EC for the next 2-3 seasons until they adjust to the difference in style that the EC plays. The only benefit they receive is the travel. Easier on the veterans but not enough to make up the competitive difference imo.

Pits and Bos are good teams, for sure, but the eastern conference is widely acknowledged as being less deep overall. It's also the less physical of the two... Boston plays a more western style of game (St. Louis, LA, San Jose, etc.)

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#92 Spydyr
June 23 2013, 08:23AM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Lets see the task list for MacT.

1. Create secondary scoring 2. Create better overall team defence 3. Improve the scoring from the back end 4. Improve the defensive play of the back end. 5. Create a goalie tandem that puts pressure on Dubnyk 6. Improve the goaltending 7. Improve overall team size 8. Improve overall team toughness 9. Change the team culture 10. Surround the developing kids with veteran support and mentors

Trade chips: Horcoff, Hemsky, 7th overall pick.

Good luck MacTavish check off everything on the list and we will have playoffs after 7 long painful seasons.

You sure are expecting a lot for Horcoff, Hemsky, 7th overall pick.

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#93 Gret99zky
June 23 2013, 09:34AM
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Horcoff and Hemsky are not going to get MacT very much return.

Trading the #7 pick and the UFA/waiver wire are more likely where the new faces will appear.

Gosh he's got a lot of work to do.

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#94 Edsez
June 23 2013, 10:24AM
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here's my daydreamimg NHL2013-style wow trade

J Thornton, D Boyle & 20th for Horcoff, Hemsky, Omark & 7th + Peckham or Potter

San Jose's future down the middle is with Couture (just signed a 5/$30 mil extension) & Pavelski (needs to be re-upped at the end of next season) meaning a decision has to be made regarding re-signing Thornton and their cap situation suggests there isn't room to sign both him & Boyle, both going into the last year of lucrative contracts.

They have currently 8 forwards and 6 dmen + Brent Burns (wherever they decide to slot him in) and Niemi under contract leaving only $6 mil to fill 7 roster spots ..... they are in tight ***insert lurid Megan Fox reference here*** ...... and there just might be the right mix of skill, depth and money-savings to entice Doug Wilson to cash in his blue-chips to move up in the draft

The Oilers take on $3 mil in salary (which they can afford) and fill needed slots at center and defence, even if only for the short-term, without giving up the future. This gives the team an extra year to evaluate Gagner's position going forward and a season for both him & Nugent-Hopkins under Thorton's mentorship, as well as, Shultz under Boyle, seems worth the cost .

or is this just crazy talk?

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#95 Taylor Gang
June 23 2013, 10:30AM
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Edsez wrote:

here's my daydreamimg NHL2013-style wow trade

J Thornton, D Boyle & 20th for Horcoff, Hemsky, Omark & 7th + Peckham or Potter

San Jose's future down the middle is with Couture (just signed a 5/$30 mil extension) & Pavelski (needs to be re-upped at the end of next season) meaning a decision has to be made regarding re-signing Thornton and their cap situation suggests there isn't room to sign both him & Boyle, both going into the last year of lucrative contracts.

They have currently 8 forwards and 6 dmen + Brent Burns (wherever they decide to slot him in) and Niemi under contract leaving only $6 mil to fill 7 roster spots ..... they are in tight ***insert lurid Megan Fox reference here*** ...... and there just might be the right mix of skill, depth and money-savings to entice Doug Wilson to cash in his blue-chips to move up in the draft

The Oilers take on $3 mil in salary (which they can afford) and fill needed slots at center and defence, even if only for the short-term, without giving up the future. This gives the team an extra year to evaluate Gagner's position going forward and a season for both him & Nugent-Hopkins under Thorton's mentorship, as well as, Shultz under Boyle, seems worth the cost .

or is this just crazy talk?

That could be the most lopsided trade I have ever seen. Why would San Jose trade their top centreman and their top defenseman for spare parts?

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#96 nuge2nail
June 23 2013, 10:44AM
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@Spydyr

Oiler Domination To Follow

I wasn't suggesting horcs who I think will be baught out, and Hemsky who I think will be traded for a #4/#5 dman are going to knock off the checklist.

I just wanted to list off the problems and show how much work there is to be done.

Restructuring the culture, size, goaltending, defence and secondary scoring is a tough task, and MacT will have to be creative to make it happen.

Free Agency is weak, I hate to sound like a broken record but I think Luongo would adress 3/4 of the holes leavin 6/7.

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#97 Spydyr
June 23 2013, 10:53AM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

I wasn't suggesting horcs who I think will be baught out, and Hemsky who I think will be traded for a #4/#5 dman are going to knock off the checklist.

I just wanted to list off the problems and show how much work there is to be done.

Restructuring the culture, size, goaltending, defence and secondary scoring is a tough task, and MacT will have to be creative to make it happen.

Free Agency is weak, I hate to sound like a broken record but I think Luongo would adress 3/4 of the holes leavin 6/7.

Your list is pretty bang on IMO.

I also feel it is going to take way more than one summer to fix the many, many issues with the team.It will take way more then the players you listed.Gagner for sure and at one point one of the kids.

Let us hope Mac-T is up to the task but at this point all he has brought is a whole lot of talk. The next few weeks and months will be the real litmus test for Mac-T.

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#98 Edsez
June 23 2013, 10:56AM
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@Taylor Gang

i don't disagree with you that its a great trade for the Oilers but i see Thornton & Boyle diminishing in value as trade assets the longer San Jose takes to make a decision on re-signing them (see Mark Streit traded for a minor-leaguer and a 4th round pick)...... and there is little doubt that at least one and likely both are not in their 2014/2015 opening night roster

This is really only about money ......with Couture getting $6 million a year and Pavelski likely getting the same the Sharks don't have the cap room to be making any deals from a position of strength unless Thornton & Boyle are taking significant reductions in salary after next season

One or both is either allowed to walk as a UFA, traded for draft picks/prospects at the trade deadline or traded now in a deal which gives them an opening night roster, a savings in money and an improved draft position ....... i'm not sure they could ever get more but it really comes down to what value Wilson places on the player available at #7 and what other players he wants to free up the money to sign (i'm also completely disregardin the no-trade contracts of Thornton and Boyle, too, I recognize)

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#99 michael
June 23 2013, 11:20AM
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J.Bernier to the TML for Frattin,Scrivens and a 2cd round pick in 14 or 15. Wow. The games are begging earlier. The Leafs solidify their goaltending while the Kings get a decent forward and a cheap backup. The Oil could have used Scrivens. There are going to be a lot of player moves this weekend during the draft. MacT is loaded for bear and he is on the hunt for GM's looking to play Lets make a deal.

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#100 Justin R
June 23 2013, 12:38PM
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Is this plausible?

To CLB: Hemsky + 3rd Rounder 2013 + Marincin To EDM: Fedor Tyutin

To TOR: 7th Overall 2013 (+ sweetener?) To EDM: Jake Gardiner

If both of those trades were done (hypothetically), the Oilers have a pretty strong blue:

Tyutin-Petry Gardiner-J. Shultz Smid-Belov (Potter)

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