WHEN WILL THE TRADES COME?

Lowetide
June 23 2013 06:39PM

We are one week away from the 2013 NHL Entry draft, and rumors are swirling around the Edmonton Oilers. One of the major trade assets--#7 overall in next Sunday's draft--may be in play. The question right now is this: how much is that pick worth?

THE TOP OF THE DRAFT

A reasonable guess would see the top 4 spots go like this:

  • #1 Colorado: C Nathan MacKinnon
  • #2 Florida: D Seth Jones
  • #3 Tampa Bay: L Jonathan Drouin
  • #4 Nashville: C Sasha Barkov

After that, things get interesting. Assuming the Oilers covet C Sean Monahan in a big way, there may be a window of opportunity at #5. They could jump Calgary at #6 and make a move for Carolina's pick. We should be aware of the possibility, but for our purposes let's assume Edmonton stays silent and waits:

  • #5 Carolina: C Elias Lindholm
  • #6 Calgary: C Sean Monahan

At this point, Edmonton would have three choices, all of them worthy:

  • select their top rated defenseman (Nurse or Ristolainen)
  • select their top rated forward (Nichushkin or Lazar?)
  • trade down if the value is there

WHY would they trade down? The Oilers may feel their player (my guess has always been Curtis Lazar) could be available later in round one. Let's say they do in fact make a trade down to #13 and for doing so acquire Winnipeg's 2nd round pick (#43).

  • #7 Winnipeg (from Edmonton): D Darnell Nurse
  • #8 Buffalo: D Rasmus Ristolainen
  • #9 New Jersey: L Valeri Nichushkin
  • #10 Dallas: L Hunter Shinkaruk
  • #11 Philadelphia: D Nikita Zadorov
  • #12 Phoenix: C Bo Horvat

OILERS SELECT...

Curtis Lazar. Oilers get an extra 2nd (which might allow them to combine it with #37 to deal back up into the first round) plus a player who may well be the name on their list at #7.

I think it could happen just that way.

RUMORS...

After Josh Rimer sent that out there was an Interesting exchange this afternoon on twitter between Frankie Di Gioia and Darren Dreger. Di Gioia is a Toronto Red Wings AAA hockey coach and you know who Darren Dreger is:

I suspect Gagner signs in Edmonton and is part of the Oilers for years to come UNLESS the two sides can't make the money work.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Whatever is going to happen, happens once the first 6 picks are off the board. That's my guess.

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#1 wheresyourtowel
June 23 2013, 06:57PM
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I would hate to see Samwise go, but I am frustrated enough with the last few years that I am willing to let go of favourites if it means winning.

That being said, if Sam Gagner is the best player in the deal, forget it.

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#2 GVBlackhawk
June 23 2013, 08:43PM
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Jerod wrote:

Lindholm finished 7th in Push Strength at the combine and 10th in Pull Strength. He is 6 feet tall and very strong

6 feet, 0.5 inches to be exact. I read his combine report which seemed quite good. But it is his two-way ability, elite hockey sense, and competitiveness that have me impressed. Plus more offensive potential than most forwards in the draft.

Sign me up.

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#3 GVBlackhawk
June 23 2013, 07:11PM
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Trading down for Lazar would be an atrocious decision. Especially for another 2nd round pick. That extra second rounder has less than 20% chance of making the NHL. And there is a very low probability that Lazar will even be as good as the player taken at #7.

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#4 Smokey
June 23 2013, 06:59PM
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Trading down to.get a second is good talk, but MacT is not going to pull that. A move like that he won't live down or always get scrutinized for making.a Millburian blunder. Trading the seventh for more magic bullets with a stocked cubboard is really dumn. He's not dumn.

Zach Smith and a conditional pick for Hemsky = barf. Just let him play out his contract.

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#5 Benhur
June 23 2013, 07:28PM
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Trading down to 13th sounds like a stupid move. And then picking Lazar at 13th is even dumber! Lazar is a high 20s pick. Moving up is the only way to go...history shows that!

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#7 Ray
June 23 2013, 08:44PM
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Toro......I totally agree with u .....Alan Mitchell writes too much about lazar....yes I know he was a high whl draft pick , but his whl career hasn't been what I would call eye opening or stellar!...lets get ove this guy !!!!!

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#8 GVBlackhawk
June 23 2013, 08:51PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

He lacks the size of Nich or Monahan, which is the type of size we should be looking for.

Ability before size in my opinion. If all else is equal, then take the bigger guy. I think that Lindholm is a better player than Monahan. I think that the Oilers would be in good shape if Lindholm landed to them at #7.

I'd also be happy if they got Monahan or Nichushkin at that position. Anything but trading down to take that other guy.

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#9 Walter Sobchak
June 23 2013, 10:34PM
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Citizen David wrote:

I am one of the people who is wary of Nichushkin. Potential, but not a lot of proof yet. Lindholm is the best option.

For everyone who thinks Bo Horvat is great but Lazar is terrible

Bo Horvat goals per game last season 0.49 Curtis Lazar goals per game last season 0.52

Bo Horvat points per game last season 0.91 Curtis Lazar points per game last season 0.85

Same size (both are built like tanks) Both are known to be defensively responsible I don't know how about Horvat's skating but Lazar is very fast.

Lazar hits everything that moves. He has passion and drive in the same amounts of Taylor Hall. He hustles back to play defence, plays PP and PK and parks himself in front of the net on the PP.

Whoever drafts Lazar will get a quality player. He won't make it past 15. I hope the Oilers are the ones to scoop him up.

I had season tickets to the Oil Kings, I had the OHL package.

Horvat will be in the NHL before Lazar and will be a better player.

Lazar was surrounded by awesome talent and a stacked team, as was Horvat, but Horvat was one of the best players on the Knights, Lazar wasn't even close to being the best on the Oil Kings.

That should be a huge red flag, there are far better players to pick even if the Oilers trade down.

Lazar = Pouliot

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#10 RexLibris
June 23 2013, 08:34PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Rex: Which is why they don't (imo) make a move until their pick is up. If #7 means Monahan or Lindholm, suspect they keep the pick.

Absolutely. It would be madness to trade a pick now before one knows who is available.

I guess what I'm arguing is that we are all applying a rational basis to the draft order when history suggests that that is often not the case.

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#11 Jerod
June 23 2013, 08:44PM
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I have to think if Monahan Lindholm or Nichushkin is available at 7 Oilers will take one of them. These players are huge assets.

This is a marathon not a 100 yard dash. Oilers are years away form competing for a Cup. It does not all have to be done this year.

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#12 Taylor Gang
June 23 2013, 09:22PM
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YFC Prez wrote:

Kaberle bought out. I wonder if there's a decent gamble to be made there. Liked Kaberle when he was a leaf, he just disappeared the last 2 seasons though. Could he be a worthwhile reclamation project a la Souray?

No

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#13 Mantastic
June 23 2013, 06:58PM
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i don't think we'll trade down to 13th if we're only acquiring the 43rd draft pick. doesn't seem like a very good trade off.

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#14 Smokey
June 23 2013, 07:09PM
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LT, why do you think Nichuskin may fall to 9. Your the only one I've seen suggest he may fall past number 7 after his big announcement. The package is too.good to go so late and I don't see any red flags. Also what is Lindholm contract status in Sweden. Does he have one or not? Lastly who do you want fall to 7 th. I want Lindholm as I believe his eventual ceiling is higher then Nuchuskin or Monahan. A poor mans Forsberg sounds mighty tempting.

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#15 stretch14
June 23 2013, 07:23PM
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Jimmer wrote:

@LT

James van Riemsdyk? Was he not a bit of a disappointment during the playoffs? Like his size but, is there a problem with what is between his ears? I heard his named mentioned on TSN as a possible move.

Not really, he was PPG player in the playoffs. TOR definitely won that trade with Philly. In a time where every GM is looking for guys with size and skill in their top 6 I think it's safe to say JVR isn't going anywhere.

As far as trading down goes I think it's a terrible idea, if Nichuskin is there at 7 why not just take him? He's a lot more talented than Lazar will ever be and some scouts have him as a top 3 talent in the draft.

As for Gagner to the Leafs, I just don't see it. Why would we gift wrap the Leafs a 23 year old centre who just had the best season of his career? Especially considering we have zero centre depth after Gagner and the fact that Leafs have nothing to offer us that would make the Oilers a better team...at least nothing that they'd be willing to part with in a trade.

I think it's just the same old TOR media thinking if they repeat a rumour enough times it will come to fruition.

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#16 WhattaMike
June 23 2013, 07:37PM
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I think that if the Leafs are actively looking at Gagner then that must be likely Bozak is on the outs.

Now...if there was say a deal with Gagner to be included, then I (if GM of Oilers) would want a good prospect like Mckegg or Biggs coming back at least....and also, at the same time, that I was sure I have one more or two centres coming to the team....already set from in other type deals.

On the latest Hemsky speculation of his going to Ottawa for Zack Smith, I would have to believe that a pick is also coming back...at least the 79th in the 3rd round.

I mean that's great for the Oilers to immediately gain more cap space but something has to be equalized a bit here (Hemsky's skill/Ottawa asset issues) in this Oilers' and Senators' type deal.

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#17 Jerod
June 23 2013, 07:40PM
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I find it odd that Elias Lindholm has not been talked about by the Oilers. From what I have read he could go anywhere from 5-8. I know Corey Pronman ranks him very high. If he is available at 7 Oilers should take him , he sounds like a Mike Peca type of player.

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#18 RexLibris
June 23 2013, 07:46PM
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Hey LT,

Two things I think throw a monkeywrench into your draft order. It all stems from a weakness in your logic, that is that it is logical. ;-)

Rutherford and his group have made some questionable draft decisions and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they took Nurse 5th overall. Following that up are the Flames and if any team is going to take a big gamble on a player like Nichushkin it is likely to be Feaster and Weisbrod. He's a plug-and-play prospect that, in spite of the verbal about drafting a center and giving the prospects time to develop, would appeal to the commercial interests that have so long determined the hockey decisions of this franchise.

And before anyone suggests that I am simply ascribing wild motives to favour partisan draft interests, remember that Anaheim took Hampus Lindholm 6th overall a few years back and the Islanders took Neiderreiter 5th overall in 2010.

In the above scenario, that would mean that the Oilers could then choose between Monahan and Lindholm. The pick may have more value to the Oilers in that case than to another team by trade.

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#19 GVBlackhawk
June 23 2013, 08:24PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

I really don't understand why they'd draft Lindholm, he's just another small forward - more of the same if you ask me. My two favorites for #7, in order, are Nichushkin and Monahan. I wouldn't really be that happy with anyone else.

At the draft combine he was measured at 72.5 inches, 192 lbs. That is not a small forward. Same size as Nathan MacKinnon (and Alex Galchenyuk last season).

Definitely not a reason to pass on him.

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#20 Jerod
June 23 2013, 08:32PM
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@GVBlackhawk

Lindholm finished 7th in Push Strength at the combine and 10th in Pull Strength. He is 6 feet tall and very strong

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#21 WhattaMike
June 23 2013, 09:10PM
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Lindholm versus Lazar...lol...reminds me of the Shane Doan or Steve Kelly pick that happened.

Myself??? I want one of these four to five choices...if available at #7...(speaking of course that Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov are gone)...Nichushkin, Monahan, Lindholm, Horvat, or Nurse.

I like Monahan or Horvat best for two way tough and gritty skills...with Lindholm next. It is that Nichushkin ia not super skilled but it is his attitude that I am concerned of...such as in possible Primadonna...

Sorry but Lazar is not close to or better than any of these five and...I think we have a kid like Lazar already for 3rd line centre futures....Travis Ewanyk.

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#22 Kevin
June 23 2013, 09:39PM
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Yes- time to trade Gagner while he has value. He is certainly not worth the $$ his is going to command. Watching the two finalist for the cup clearly suggests the type of size a grit that's needed to go deep in the playoffs. Simply put we have to much of the same frame. I would even dangle Eberle to Colorado for the 1st and Jamie Mcquinn. Take the big Center at number one and get your D sorted with a Gagner trade. Keep #7 and take Nurse. I still think Eager if played in the right role here can work. The Oil were just not using him properly. Let's face it how affective can he be with the ice time he was given. He has size, hands and is the fastest guy on the team. It's worth a re-look in this case.

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#23 Citizen David
June 23 2013, 10:41PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I had season tickets to the Oil Kings, I had the OHL package.

Horvat will be in the NHL before Lazar and will be a better player.

Lazar was surrounded by awesome talent and a stacked team, as was Horvat, but Horvat was one of the best players on the Knights, Lazar wasn't even close to being the best on the Oil Kings.

That should be a huge red flag, there are far better players to pick even if the Oilers trade down.

Lazar = Pouliot

If you didn't notice that Lazar drove the Oil Kings bus than you were watching different games than I did. Horvat is on the better team.

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#24 Romulus' Apotheosis
June 24 2013, 08:09AM
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I'm hoping Lindholm slips and the Oil aren't dumb enough to pass on the player and taken Lazar and a 2nd as a consolation prize.

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#25 mustang0304
June 24 2013, 10:06AM
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Citizen David wrote:

I am one of the people who is wary of Nichushkin. Potential, but not a lot of proof yet. Lindholm is the best option.

For everyone who thinks Bo Horvat is great but Lazar is terrible

Bo Horvat goals per game last season 0.49 Curtis Lazar goals per game last season 0.52

Bo Horvat points per game last season 0.91 Curtis Lazar points per game last season 0.85

Same size (both are built like tanks) Both are known to be defensively responsible I don't know how about Horvat's skating but Lazar is very fast.

Lazar hits everything that moves. He has passion and drive in the same amounts of Taylor Hall. He hustles back to play defence, plays PP and PK and parks himself in front of the net on the PP.

Whoever drafts Lazar will get a quality player. He won't make it past 15. I hope the Oilers are the ones to scoop him up.

I have no idea why all the hate on Lazar, I have personally seen him play live about 50 times. This kid will play in the NHL, he's everything you would want in a 2line centre/winger. I wouldn't select him with the 7th but would trade back for a productive NHL player and somewhere around 15th pick. I wouldn't take a 2nd rounder as compensation for dropping back it would have to be a actual NHL player.I'm not saying Lazar will be a star, but you do win championships with hockey players like him. He will be the man on the Okings this year and it wouldn'y shock me if he got 50+ goals and close to 40+ assts.

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#26 mustang0304
June 24 2013, 10:14AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I had season tickets to the Oil Kings, I had the OHL package.

Horvat will be in the NHL before Lazar and will be a better player.

Lazar was surrounded by awesome talent and a stacked team, as was Horvat, but Horvat was one of the best players on the Knights, Lazar wasn't even close to being the best on the Oil Kings.

That should be a huge red flag, there are far better players to pick even if the Oilers trade down.

Lazar = Pouliot

I respectfully disagree, he was playing behind some pretty good hockey players that were 19-20. I see no red flags, I see a very good hockey player not a star. He plays the game nothing like Poo did.

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#27 TayLordBalls
June 23 2013, 06:50PM
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The oilers need an experienced / seasoned defensive leader (#1) and a bunch of side-show bobs to fill in the back end.

and if they get the chance, they would be wise to take niChushkin as the mate to yaKupov.

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#28 Jimmer
June 23 2013, 06:53PM
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@LT

James van Riemsdyk? Was he not a bit of a disappointment during the playoffs? Like his size but, is there a problem with what is between his ears? I heard his named mentioned on TSN as a possible move.

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#29 horndog77
June 23 2013, 07:03PM
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I think Edmonton should be drafting Nichushkin. They could play him on the third line until takes over the second line left wing duties. He would develop a lot faster for the oilers than a defenseman. Not sure about trading Sam unless Edmonton has a plan to get someone better, pretty thin on centers!

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#31 Mantastic
June 23 2013, 07:12PM
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@Smokey

Lindholm has a contract in SHL next year so he won't be able to come over until 2014 which isn't bad considering he can develop more. i think Nish would be amzing if he played with RNH and Yak and faced the soft parade leaving Gags with Hall and ebs.

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#33 horndog77
June 23 2013, 07:19PM
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Not a fan of trading down either, with lots of prospects in Oklahoma it would be nice to see them trade up with those two second rounders + to get a player they want in the first round. NHL should develop some sort of draft value point system the NFL uses to value picks

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#34 Jerod
June 23 2013, 07:24PM
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Nichushkin will probably go 5th. Unless Carolina trades down and takes Nurse at #7

Trading down for a 3rd line center from #7 is a stretch . They get a #43 combine with 37 and the get a high 1st rd player. Maybe Calgary or Columbus. first rd pick

I'd rather take Lindholm or Nurse or Nichushkin all 3 of these players could be impact players 1st line.

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#35 Benhur
June 23 2013, 07:30PM
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@Jerod

Gotta agree Jared! Any of those three over Lazar...who MIGHT make a 3rd line centre.

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#36 toprightcorner
June 23 2013, 07:31PM
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The only way I see them trading the #7 is for a proven NHLer to fill one of the holes, that may also include a pick but the player would be the key to the trade. With many teams under the cap crunch I see them seeing more value in that pick by giving up a $3-4 mil salary and not adding salary to next years roster.

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#37 Ray
June 23 2013, 07:32PM
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I still don't get the infactuation with lazar!....lowetide......have u seen him play?

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#39 Jerod
June 23 2013, 07:43PM
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@Lowetide

Why can't Oilers trade a player and a 2nd rd pick or something for Lazar, instead of #7. They would need to work the room because not sure where Lazar will be picked.

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#40 nuge2nail
June 23 2013, 07:54PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Lindholm, Monahan, Nichuskin - All three fill a need.

I trust stu will make the right decision. I'm more concerned about the rest of the team. Bottom six, defence, and goaltending- MacT had his hands full.

Stafford would be a good addition to the third line, as would Zach Smith, and Phaneuf would add excitement to our Powerplay, he would help the transition game and would add toughness and size.

Think Paarajvi, our 2014 first rounder, 2 2013 second rounders, and Omark could get talks started?

Hall Hopkins Eberle-- Penner Gagner Yakupov--Jones Smith Stafford--Smyth Belanger Brown

Phaneuf Petry-- J Shultz N Shultz-- Smid Belov--

Dubnyk

Team is big enough to compete in the new division, and the defence has size, is physical, mobile and as a puckmover with a stay at home guy in each pairing.

Thoughts?

replace Penner with any physical LW who's available and can crash the net.

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#41 T__Bone88
June 23 2013, 07:54PM
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I just can not see the Oilers trading down and only picking up a 2nd rounder and drafting Lazar. This is a team that is in a win now scenario and doing that trade does not make the team better. I would rather have the Oilers do a trade like Columbus (Carter) and Carolina (Staal) did before and package up the pick plus a player and get a player that can produce now as well in the future.

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#42 So not a Pouzar
June 23 2013, 07:55PM
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I'd be really disappointed if we moved down to aquire another 2nd round pick. Instead, I'd rather package a combination of 2nd picks along with a prospect and try to get another 1st round pick in the late teens or early twenties IF their guy (Lazar) happens to be kicking around in that area. Don't give up on a Monahan/Lindholm/Nurse type player in an effort to try to be fancy.

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#43 Taylor Gang
June 23 2013, 07:59PM
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I don't think it's worth trading the 7th overall for moving down a substantial amount and a second.... I don't know if that's just me or

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#44 Taylor Gang
June 23 2013, 08:02PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Rex: Which is why they don't (imo) make a move until their pick is up. If #7 means Monahan or Lindholm, suspect they keep the pick.

I really don't understand why they'd draft Lindholm, he's just another small forward - more of the same if you ask me. My two favorites for #7, in order, are Nichushkin and Monahan. I wouldn't really be that happy with anyone else.

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#45 nuge2nail
June 23 2013, 08:05PM
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Trading down doesn't work. We have been rebuilding for 7 years we need the playoffs this year- not 4 years from now when the second rounder is struggling through a rookie season.

Trade the picks beyond 7, move up if possible I to the top 4, if Not take the bpa.

I'm hoping Lindholm or Monahan, creating an asset in Gagner- who hopeully we can package to get a top 2 defenseman.

Also a star goalie would be ideal. Seems like asking for a lot, maybe Eakins can get the best out of guys like Phaneuf, Luongo, Stafford, Gilbert, etc.

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#46 GVBlackhawk
June 23 2013, 08:16PM
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Jerod wrote:

I find it odd that Elias Lindholm has not been talked about by the Oilers. From what I have read he could go anywhere from 5-8. I know Corey Pronman ranks him very high. If he is available at 7 Oilers should take him , he sounds like a Mike Peca type of player.

Lindholm may be closer to Patrice Bergeron than Mike Peca. He has more offensive potential.

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#47 nuge2nail
June 23 2013, 08:19PM
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Lindholm is defensively sound, like Hopkins and can carve teams up with his incredible vision and passing.

What Backstrom is to Ovechkin, Lindholm will be to Yakupov.

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#48 Toro
June 23 2013, 08:21PM
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No no no no no no no noooooooooooo on Lazar god dammit quit talking about this guy, I will be sooooooo pissed if we draft this clown or even trade down for that matter , Nurse Monahan Lindholm Nichuskin or move up in the draft or deal for help now , all I've been hearing all year is Lazar this Lazar that if he's around with our 2nd rounder don't waste the pick on the player you got a boner for take the BBA and it won't be Lazar , and if he turns into a good nhl player I will totally eat my words but I know I won't be.

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#49 Taylor Gang
June 23 2013, 08:45PM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

At the draft combine he was measured at 72.5 inches, 192 lbs. That is not a small forward. Same size as Nathan MacKinnon (and Alex Galchenyuk last season).

Definitely not a reason to pass on him.

He lacks the size of Nich or Monahan, which is the type of size we should be looking for.

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#50 GVBlackhawk
June 23 2013, 08:46PM
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One last point on Lazar before we never say his name again....

If the Oilers want him so badly, I'm sure that it would be possible to work out a trade with the team who drafts him. He's not a prospect who is considered 'untouchable'.

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