Let’s all get excited about the draft!

Jonathan Willis
June 29 2013 11:19AM

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Every year, it’s the same thing. This defenceman is the next Chris Pronger or Shea Weber, this forward the next Steve Yzerman or Ryan Getzlaf. Guys who realistically project as third liners get written up as top-line players.

It’s important to step back, and remember that whatever is getting written about these players, the end result is likely to be far more prosaic in most cases.

The Hype

Looking back through old copies of The Hockey News draft guide, it’s remarkable how everyone – in some cases even NHL scouts – get swept away in pre-draft hyperbole. Some examples from the 2002 and 2004 Draft Guides follow; the reader should not worry if he has never heard of the players.

Viktor Alexandrov:

“There’s a lot to like about this guy,” said a scout. “He is better than the other Kazak (Nik Antropov) player we all know about.”

Cam Barker:

What sets Barker apart from the other huge defensemen in the draft is his love for and skill in handling the puck. Scouts are reminded of Edmonton’s Eric Brewer or Florida’s Jay Bouwmeester when they watch Barker. Ask Barker, though, and he’ll tell you he patterns his game after New Jersey’s Scott Stevens.

Jeff Deslauriers:

Hockey being steeped in tradition, it’s only right the Quebec League offer up another stellar pick in net for the 2002 draft. This year’s nominee, Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers, is a chip off the old block. He plays in the butterfly mode of a Patrick Roy and reminds scouts of the other QMJHL goalies making names for themselves in the NHL.

Bruce Graham:

“There is no real deficiency,” said a scout. “Either you like him or you don’t. He’s one of those guys who either does it for you or he doesn’t.” The scout said people were saying the same things last year about Patrice Bergeron, a second round pick of Boston, who turned out to be a solid NHL rookie at 18.

Joffrey Lupul:

What makes Lupul attractive might have something to do with the comparisons to Mike Bossy, one of the greatest natural scorers in NHL history.

Alexandre Picard:

He finds ways to get the puck and he reminds people of a young Ryan Smyth because of his work ethic.

Marek Schwarz:

“He’s even better and quicker (than Hasek) at this age,” said one scout.

Barry Tallackson:

Said another scout: “I see a power forward in the making. If you are looking at an Erik Cole type of player, this guy fits the mold.”

Martin Vagner:

Vagner makes the easy outlet pass and doesn’t panic when his options are limited. “What you have is Kaberle-type skill and vision with some meanness to his game,” said a scout.

Boris Valabik:

“He is very competitive,” said a scout. “He is a clone of Chara and I know a lot of guys who are kicking themselves when they passed on Chara. There’s a lot of projection, though.

The Other Side

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Of course, not every scout gets swept away. Take, for example, this read on Jay Bouwmeester, the top-ranked prospect by THN in 2002:

“He’s no Paul Coffey, but he might be Bret Hedican at best,” said one scout. “He’ll give you 10, 15 solid NHL seasons, but they will not be spectacular. We want to see him at a higher level.”

The passages above are in part my work cherry-picking, but even a completely balanced consideration reveals far more Schwarz and Vagner-type comments than Bouwmeester-type comments. It’s a dangerous thing to compare a prospect to an existing NHL player, because it’s invariably a best-case scenario. To pick one example, Darnell Nurse has been getting comparisons to Chris Pronger, yet after adjusting for era we find Pronger’s offensive production was 50 percent better than Nurse’s – it’s simply not fair or realistic to compare Nurse to one of the best defencemen in the modern era, particularly given the huge gaps in their draft year (and, for that matter, even bigger gaps the year before) offensive production.

There are plenty of examples of exactly this sort of thing in the draft; it’s always a good idea to tone down expectation.

Recently around the Nation Network

TSN's Darren Dreger broke the news this morning that Canucks goalie Cory Schneider was being discussed in trade talks - and that the Edmonton Oilers were likely one of the teams interested. Here's Cam Charron of Canucks Army on the motivation and the asking price:

All of which is to say that trading Cory Schneider, a player who would theoretically net a significantly better return and is only likely to be somewhat better than Roberto Luongo over the short-term, instead of Roberto Luongo is the right move from a hockey perspective. The Cory Schneider asking price is rumoured to be a first rounder and a prospect, and that's probably a pretty good prospect too. If Bishop can net Conacher, and Bernier can net Frattin; then Schneider should be able to get you an NHLer on an entry-level deal and a first if the market for him heats up. Essentially it's clear that the combined value of Luongo and a Schneider return, would outpace the combined value of Schneider and a Luongo return.

Click the link to read more, or alternately, feel free check out some of my other pieces here:

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 The Soup Fascist
June 29 2013, 02:16PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Our two biggest and most difficult to fill needs are: Top Six LW power forward. Top 4 Defenseman.

Nichuskin will solidify our top Six for a long long time. The opposite of this would be to draft a center(Lindholm or Monahan) and than trade Gagner down the line for a top 4 defenseman.

If MacT can add Coburn + Clutterbuck this will be the best canada long weekend Oilersnation has seen in a long time. Plus we have the Hemsky trade(zach smith + a second) and the Horcoff buyout to look forward too.

Either way I'm excited for the draft.

Hall Hopkins Eberle

Nichuskin Gagner Yakupov

Paarajvi Smith Clutterbuck

Smyth Lappiere Brown

Coburn J Shultz

Smid Petry

N Shultz Belov

Klefbom

Bryzgalov/Emery/Luongo Dubnyk

Your oldest top 6 forward is like 23 years old. I hope the plan is to bring in a veteran proven top 6 guy with size and grit. Even for a couple of years. I have no idea who that may be but they are out there.

Does Ryan Malone have any tread left on the tires?

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#52 DSF
June 29 2013, 02:18PM
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Time Travelling Sean wrote:

He gets paid 500k less than Ebs, and Hall has missed 40ish games the past 3 seasons.

Also all of his ES goals seem to disappear in the playoffs, which is a big part of the reason why ES goals are such an important stat.

I think we should try to sign Jagr. He seems slowish but he would have so much useful insight and tips for our younger players, which would be worth it, and he still is a threat to score 40-50 points and plays a grinding power game which is something we've lacked. 2 years 7M?

So, should we discount Hall's value because he's always injured?

Seguin hardly "disappears in the playoffs".

He has 8 points in 22 career playoff games.

While that is certainly not elite production, it's worth noting he was absolutely snake bitten in this past playoff season.

He had 70 shots on goal in 22 games...that's more than 3 shots/game. Seguin was second on the Bruins...one behind Bergeron who had 71.

Unfortunately his shooting percentage was an abysmal 1.4% while his normal is 10.4%.

I wouldn't count on that continuing.

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#53 horndog77
June 29 2013, 02:20PM
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DSF wrote:

Seguin is 15th in the league in ES goals over the past 2 seasons.

http://tinyurl.com/nvuzmkw

That's 1 behind Eberle. who has a higher cap hit, and 10 ahead of Hall.

I'd still rather have either of those two players compared to Seguin. I'm not saying he's not a good player, I just think they are better. Pretty hard to land Seguin and have Hall Eberle Yaks and Nuge the salary would kill Edmonton.

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#54 nuge2nail
June 29 2013, 02:21PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

With the team I suggested above:

Our top line is ridiculous. Our third line is hard hitting with a mix of skill. Out fourth line will not be dominated.

Our defense will be tough to play against, a pick mover with a stay at home shut guy In every pairing. Only weakness is Smid, in terms of pick moving.

And the Brygalov Coburn combo would be great. Any goalie tandem to push Dubnyk will be great.

Looking forward to some deals being announced soon.

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#55 Johnny
June 29 2013, 02:22PM
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So does anybody (DSF) trade Hall for Seguin???

If your answer is "yes" you can just run along..

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#56 Time Travelling Sean
June 29 2013, 02:28PM
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DSF wrote:

So, should we discount Hall's value because he's always injured?

Seguin hardly "disappears in the playoffs".

He has 8 points in 22 career playoff games.

While that is certainly not elite production, it's worth noting he was absolutely snake bitten in this past playoff season.

He had 70 shots on goal in 22 games...that's more than 3 shots/game. Seguin was second on the Bruins...one behind Bergeron who had 71.

Unfortunately his shooting percentage was an abysmal 1.4% while his normal is 10.4%.

I wouldn't count on that continuing.

It is a consideration, if some guy scored 30 goals in 60 games or 33 goals in 82 games it is a difference.

Maybe, like Paajarvi, when things get more tough and physical and congested he becomes a peripheral player.

Seguin has 42 playoff games btw, 6 goals on 123 shots for a 4.9% over 3 playoff years and has 3 goals in his last 40 playoff games. That isn't bad luck that's him not going to the places where players score goals.

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#57 DSF
June 29 2013, 02:32PM
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Tampa Bay with strong interest in Tyler Seguin.

Seguin replaces Vinny and Boston gets #3.

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#58 Racki
June 29 2013, 02:33PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I wouldn't even consider moving RNH for Seguin.

Me either. I like Seguin though... to an extent (I lost some of the interest thanks to Staples and McCurdy's comments today on twitter with me). But people have to remember that Nuge has only played 2 years so far, and last year was with the shoulder issues.

I'm pretty sure Nuge will surpass Seguin in no time, if he hasn't already. Why would we give Nuge PLUS more for Seguin?

i think people just have to be a bit more patient with the Nuge.. once he gets a bit of strength and experience, he'll be great for us.

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#59 The Soup Fascist
June 29 2013, 02:35PM
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DSF wrote:

Tampa Bay with strong interest in Tyler Seguin.

Seguin replaces Vinny and Boston gets #3.

You don't see Drouin as a much more dynamic player than Seguin? I don't think Seguin gets you #3.

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#60 Rama Lama
June 29 2013, 02:38PM
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I hope we are NOT trying for Coburn, I like the player but the cost is far too much. I think it would be safe to say Nurse projects to be better than Coburn, and will cost nothing except, patience.

The talk of Seguin being on the market is very confounding. THe guy has not been playing in his natural position, not been given the minutes, and playing with players who are not his equal. Any team that gives up three great assets for one player better have an abundance of stockpiled talent.

Love the fact that Tamby is out of the picture.........could have traded Hemsky ( probably for a first rounder prior to the playoffs) and now we are being told once again, there are no takers.

I for one am just happy that Mr. Dithers or Mr. Donothing is out of the picture completely......praise The Lord.

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#61 treevojo
June 29 2013, 02:38PM
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shifty203 wrote:

I'd offer RNH and some spare change for Seguin. Oilers wouldn't be able to afford RNH and Seguin long term, on top of the other young guys who will be due for raises.

Oilers would get a top line center who's more rounded now, Bruins would get a cheap center who's still on the development side, and a in progress prospect or two.

Considering seguin spends a majority of his time on the wing, a trade for rnh would leave us pretty thin at center don't you think?

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#62 DSF
June 29 2013, 02:39PM
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Time Travelling Sean wrote:

It is a consideration, if some guy scored 30 goals in 60 games or 33 goals in 82 games it is a difference.

Maybe, like Paajarvi, when things get more tough and physical and congested he becomes a peripheral player.

Seguin has 42 playoff games btw, 6 goals on 123 shots for a 4.9% over 3 playoff years and has 3 goals in his last 40 playoff games. That isn't bad luck that's him not going to the places where players score goals.

Oops...mibad on the playoff totals.

While I agree a young player like Seguin needs to lean how to play playoff hockey....18 points in 42 playoff games is still not "disappearing".

And, any player with a 1.4% shooting percentage is suffering from a degree of bad luck when his shooting percentage in the previous playoff season was 6.5%.

If Seguin had scored at that rate this past playoff season, he would have scored 4-5 goals, not 1.

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#63 DSF
June 29 2013, 02:40PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

You don't see Drouin as a much more dynamic player than Seguin? I don't think Seguin gets you #3.

Yeah. I do.

I would think Boston may have to add a bit.

Here's more info:

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/lightning/as-rumors-swirl-ahead-of-draft-lightning-said-to-have-interest-in-bruins/2129234

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#64 Racki
June 29 2013, 02:40PM
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Man those comparisons are embarrassing and bring an unfortunately dose of reality with them

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#65 treevojo
June 29 2013, 02:41PM
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DSF wrote:

Tampa Bay with strong interest in Tyler Seguin.

Seguin replaces Vinny and Boston gets #3.

I didn't know vinnie played wing? Thought for sure he was a center!

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#66 Mo C
June 29 2013, 02:48PM
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@Rama Lama

its believed we would give up 2nd rounder for colbourn, we can have him and nurse both...i also like monohan and the swede with the 7 pick...either way its good to be oiler fan rite now

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#67 The Soup Fascist
June 29 2013, 02:49PM
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DSF wrote:

Yeah. I do.

I would think Boston may have to add a bit.

Here's more info:

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/lightning/as-rumors-swirl-ahead-of-draft-lightning-said-to-have-interest-in-bruins/2129234

I think if Boston had their first this year it could have interesting.

Swap of firsts and Seguin to TB. But TB struggles at the gate. Drouin can sell tickets with his quickness and stick handling.

Seguin likely going somewhere though, you would think. Tough to put the genie back in the bottle now.

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#68 DSF
June 29 2013, 02:52PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

I think if Boston had their first this year it could have interesting.

Swap of firsts and Seguin to TB. But TB struggles at the gate. Drouin can sell tickets with his quickness and stick handling.

Seguin likely going somewhere though, you would think. Tough to put the genie back in the bottle now.

You're assuming Florida takes Jones at #2.

I'd wager Florida takes Drouin. He's be a natural fit on a line with Huberdeau.

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#69 DSF
June 29 2013, 02:53PM
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treevojo wrote:

I didn't know vinnie played wing? Thought for sure he was a center!

I'm sure your linear thinking is damaging your credibility.

Seguin is playing wing in Boston because the Bruins have Bergeron and Krejci.

In TB, I would think Seguin would be #2C behind Stamkos.

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#70 The Soup Fascist
June 29 2013, 02:57PM
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DSF wrote:

You're assuming Florida takes Jones at #2.

I'd wager Florida takes Drouin. He's be a natural fit on a line with Huberdeau.

Yes I was making that assumption. You could be right but I don't think Florida passes on Jones. Move Gubrandson for a dynamic forward if you must, IMO.

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#71 BArmstrong
June 29 2013, 03:04PM
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DSF wrote:

You're assuming Florida takes Jones at #2.

I'd wager Florida takes Drouin. He's be a natural fit on a line with Huberdeau.

You're assuming Colorado takes McKinnon:)

I think Seguin to Florida is win/win

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#72 Bucknuck
June 29 2013, 03:04PM
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Seguin to Tampa actually makes a lot of sense. Dangling the 3rd for a player that is 3 years into his NHL career is probably about right. Stamkos and Seguin down the Middle goes a long way toward making sure Tampa is in the playoff discussion for years to come.

Drouin might be a better player. In three years. Tampa needs to win now.

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#73 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
June 29 2013, 03:07PM
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Wow, where's the beef?

Even with a motivated buyer in MacTavish, everything appears to be in lockdown mode. Someone needs to do something to get the ball rolling. Same old same old.

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#74 BArmstrong
June 29 2013, 03:07PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Yes I was making that assumption. You could be right but I don't think Florida passes on Jones. Move Gubrandson for a dynamic forward if you must, IMO.

Maybe a "dynamic" Shawn Horcoff*

*And throw in one of Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, or RNH to make the trade work for Florida

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#75 BArmstrong
June 29 2013, 03:08PM
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BArmstrong wrote:

You're assuming Colorado takes McKinnon:)

I think Seguin to Florida is win/win

Oops, by Florida, I meant Tampa

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#76 treevojo
June 29 2013, 03:11PM
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DSF wrote:

I'm sure your linear thinking is damaging your credibility.

Seguin is playing wing in Boston because the Bruins have Bergeron and Krejci.

In TB, I would think Seguin would be #2C behind Stamkos.

The way krejci played during the season you would have thought seguin would have been able to force his way into the center position or maybe he just isn't a NHL center. It has been 3 years right!

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#77 GVBlackhawk
June 29 2013, 03:11PM
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Toro wrote:

I would have dropped the gloves then just gave him a big hug, does that make me tough?

I'm not sure about a hug...maybe a sloppy kiss, though.

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#78 The Soup Fascist
June 29 2013, 03:11PM
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BArmstrong wrote:

Maybe a "dynamic" Shawn Horcoff*

*And throw in one of Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, or RNH to make the trade work for Florida

Three words that should never be used in the same sentence:

Horcoff

Dynamic

Shaun

.....in any order.

.... Even sarcastically

.....ever.

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#79 BArmstrong
June 29 2013, 03:14PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Three words that should never be used in the same sentence:

Horcoff

Dynamic

Shaun

.....in any order.

.... Even sarcastically

.....ever.

dy·nam·ic /dīˈnamik/

Adjective (of a process or system) Characterized by constant change, activity, or progress.

...my bad.

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#80 TigerUnderGlass
June 29 2013, 03:20PM
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For Seguin I think I'd give up the #7, a heavily subsidized Hemsky and a prospect defenseman plus a swap of second round picks next year.

I think Hemsky could look very good beside Bergeron next year.

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#81 The Soup Fascist
June 29 2013, 03:25PM
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BArmstrong wrote:

dy·nam·ic /dīˈnamik/

Adjective (of a process or system) Characterized by constant change, activity, or progress.

...my bad.

You can cross off "progress" for sure.

Actually I don't want to kick Horc when he is down. Victim of a bad contract and unwillingness to accept his role.

Was and will be a good third line centre. Just time to step aside. Good Luck.

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#82 DSF
June 29 2013, 03:31PM
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treevojo wrote:

The way krejci played during the season you would have thought seguin would have been able to force his way into the center position or maybe he just isn't a NHL center. It has been 3 years right!

You mean the Krejci who scored 10 goals and 33 points.

Pro-rates to his second best season ever.

Or some other Krecji?

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#83 They're $hittie
June 29 2013, 03:31PM
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DSF

you said Paajarvi has no hands because he has a low shooting percentage. I guess by your logic and your willingness to say Seguin was snake bitten I have come to a few conclusions;

1st and most likely - you talk out of your a$$ and dont know anything

or 2nd - Seguin has no hands.

Which is it?

And don't come back with stats modified to try and prove your point. Just try shutting up for once.

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#84 They're $hittie
June 29 2013, 03:33PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Wow, where's the beef?

Even with a motivated buyer in MacTavish, everything appears to be in lockdown mode. Someone needs to do something to get the ball rolling. Same old same old.

MacT is waiting until he is on the clock. Got to see who he has potentially, than he will make a move.

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#85 Hockeyman 99
June 29 2013, 03:38PM
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I'd move Hemsky, and 1st rounder next year for Seguin maybe a B prospect sweetener.

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#86 The Soup Fascist
June 29 2013, 03:41PM
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Hockeyman 99 wrote:

I'd move Hemsky, and 1st rounder next year for Seguin maybe a B prospect sweetener.

Unless Ciarelli bumps his head - and hard - I don't think that will get it done.

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#87 DSF
June 29 2013, 03:45PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

DSF

you said Paajarvi has no hands because he has a low shooting percentage. I guess by your logic and your willingness to say Seguin was snake bitten I have come to a few conclusions;

1st and most likely - you talk out of your a$$ and dont know anything

or 2nd - Seguin has no hands.

Which is it?

And don't come back with stats modified to try and prove your point. Just try shutting up for once.

Seguin's career shooting percentage is 10.5%

Paajarvi's is 7.8%

One of these players is close to 50% better than the other.

We can't compare playoff stats since Paajarvi has never played a playoff game and Seguin has a cup ring.

No stats "modified"....just the facts.

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#88 treevojo
June 29 2013, 03:53PM
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DSF wrote:

You mean the Krejci who scored 10 goals and 33 points.

Pro-rates to his second best season ever.

Or some other Krecji?

I was thinking about the krejci that had 3 points in his last 12 games before the playoffs. Pretty sure I heard his name in quite a few trade rumours at the deadline as well. He did have a great playoffs but I'm pretty sure during that stretch if julien had any confidence in seguin at center he would have been given a shot to eat krejci's lunch.

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#89 Bonvie
June 29 2013, 03:56PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

On an unrelated note:

OILERSNATION bloggers. I humbly request that you don't ever put Chris Prongers traitorous face up on an article ever again. It hurts.

Thank you

Chris Pronger now there was a number one Defenseman. That trade absolves Lowe of any bad trade made in the past.

I am hoping we can get that young Chris Pronger type Dman again at the draft via trade and Chris Letang is definitely not the guy. I'd rather take the chance on drafting Nurse than trading for a Phil Hously type such as Letang.

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#90 They're $hittie
June 29 2013, 04:06PM
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@DSF

seguin is still well below star players.

He has no hands.

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#91 They're $hittie
June 29 2013, 04:07PM
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@DSF

seguin himself had nothing to do with getting drafted to a team that was already in the playoffs.

His cup ring is so irrelevant in the conversation. Keep padding your stats with crap.

Oh and Seguin is one of the most sheltered players in the League. Third Line winger with PP time when he was projected to be a first line center. Good to see that he now take less than 2% of the teams face offs. Obviously the team that was so high on him and drafted him has lost faith.

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#92 stretch14
June 29 2013, 04:17PM
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Take that picture down NOW! Dont know why you would bother putting up a picture of that douchebag, it's not even from the draft FFS

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#93 TeddyTurnbuckle
June 29 2013, 04:19PM
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I wouldn't trade our pick for schneider. Not much of an upgrade to Big Easy if any.

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#94 Hockeyman 99
June 29 2013, 04:27PM
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I don't know, Hemsky helps fill a need in Boston and saves $750 K for them and he is a great fit and probably an easy re-sign with his history with Krejci. It depends how del Cherelli thinks Edm will do next year. Maybe Omarks rights or Hartikanens makes it work or add Anaheim's Second makes it work if they include Hortons Neg. rights.

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#95 DSF
June 29 2013, 04:36PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

seguin himself had nothing to do with getting drafted to a team that was already in the playoffs.

His cup ring is so irrelevant in the conversation. Keep padding your stats with crap.

Oh and Seguin is one of the most sheltered players in the League. Third Line winger with PP time when he was projected to be a first line center. Good to see that he now take less than 2% of the teams face offs. Obviously the team that was so high on him and drafted him has lost faith.

LOL.

Seguin 2013:

Qual Comp +0.43 (toughest on team)

CorsiOn +25.04 (second best on team)

Corsi Rel +20.6 (best on team)

So, Seguin took on the toughest competition and drove results at the same level as Bergeron.

Since entering the league 3 season ago, he has also amassed a +- of PLUS 53.

With Bergeron (62.1%) and Krecji (55.2%) taking most of the draws, it's no surprise Seguin doesn't take many but when he did he won 48.9%.

As a comparison, Hopkins only managed to win 41%.

Maybe the Oilers should move him to the wing.

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#96 madjam
June 29 2013, 04:37PM
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shifty203 wrote:

I would in a heart beat. As long as the payment wasn't much more. Definatley would not include the first.

Point is, can't keep both. So if you are acquiring Seguin, Hopkins has to go.

Seguin for nbr. 7 and sixth rounder if we are thinking of Nurse . If we are talking Risto then we keep that pick .

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#97 Rama Lama
June 29 2013, 05:01PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

On an unrelated note:

OILERSNATION bloggers. I humbly request that you don't ever put Chris Prongers traitorous face up on an article ever again. It hurts.

Thank you

Exactly how was Pronger a traitor?

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#98 Bucknuck
June 29 2013, 05:14PM
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Exactly how was Pronger a traitor?

Exactly the moment he asked to be traded from my beloved team, of course.

Are you familiar with the Edmonton Oilers?

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#99 Toro
June 29 2013, 06:02PM
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Racki wrote:

First off, I really laughed when I saw the note about Barker patterning himself after Scott Stevens (wow was that comparison ridiculously off), but Stortini soft?!?? Get real. He might not have been a good hockey player (well, he definitely wasn't), and his fighting ability is questionaly, but he's anything but soft. The guy knew he would get beaten around by most heavies, but still stood up and fought.

What a clueless comment.

Stood there and fought? Which game were you watching I just seen him instantly grab the opponent and never throw punches , if he was as tough as you and JW think he is then he would still have a job in the NHL regardless on how crappy of a player he was.

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#100 TigerUnderGlass
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I'm convinced that a subsidized Hemsky would have value to Boston.

Hemsky, #7, Marincin. I'd try to get their second round pick back too, but I'd do it without.

Then you hope Gagner buys you a good defenseman.

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