Craig MacTavish: Making not so bold moves?

Jonathan Willis
June 30 2013 06:55PM

Edmonton Oilers general manager Craig MacTavish was busy early at the 2013 NHL Draft, but the moves were less bold than many may have hoped for. Second round picks, as promised, were the currency of choice but rather than shoring up the Oilers in the short-term Mactavish opted to re-stock the team's supply of draft picks, which had been depleted entering the draft.

MacTavish pulled off a pair of trades, and while he failed to add NHL-ready talent to the Oilers he did manage to turn one second round draft pick into five selections in the two moves:

  • Edmonton traded their 37th overall pick to Los Angeles for the 57th, 88th and 96th picks
  • Edmonton then traded the 57th pick to St. Louis for the 83rd, 94th and 113th picks

All told, MacTavish sacrificed an early second round pick for selections at 83rd, 88th, 94th, 96th and 113th overall. Los Angeles picked Valentin Zykov; the Oilers instead took flyers on five different players:

  • Bogdan Yakimov: A 6'5" Russian centre with real potential but footspeed issues
  • Anton Slepyshev: A high-scoring Russian who was controversially passed over by everyone in 2012
  • Jackson Houck: A character player who led a weak Vancouver Giants team in scoring
  • Kyle Platzer: A defensive specialist buried on a strong London team
  • Aidan Muir: A 6'4" power forward playing midget hockey 

The two trades do a pair of important things for the Oilers.

Firstly, Edmonton re-stocked what was a rather barren cupboard of picks. Thanks to trades with Dallas for Mark Fistric and Florida for Jerred Smithson, the Oilers didn't have a third or fourth round draft pick and without making trades would have come away with only six players; instead they sacrifice quality in Zykov in exchange for quantity. Given the boom-or-bust nature of the draft, it's understandable why the team would want as many choices as possible.

Secondly, all five players chosen with those picks are forwards. The Oilers have a pretty decent set of prospects on defence, but up front the development pipeline is getting pretty empty. This gives the team an opportunity to load up on players who can potentially play roles up front for Oklahoma and, in a few years, perhaps for Edmonton. It's obvious this was a position of need for the Oilers, and they've done their best to address it - with picks still to come, seven of their first eight selections (and all five acquired via trade) have been forwards, with first round pick Darnell Nurse the only exception.

For Oilers fans, it would have been nice to see the team improve in the short-term by adding NHL players, and the rumours of the team pursuing Cory Schneider and Braydon Coburn and Cal Clutterbuck and others won't move the dial forward on the team one inch. But it's also easy to see why Craig MacTavish made the choices he did, and his work on draft day did help address positions of organizational weakness.

Much more, however, will need to happen in the coming week or two.

Recently around the Nation Network

The big news of the day came, not from Edmonton, but rather from Vancouver, as their ongoing goaltending saga finally saw a significant shift. The Canucks opted to hang their hopes on the untradable Roberto Luongo, instead sending presumptive starter Cory Schneider to New Jersey in exchange for the ninth overall pick (which was used on centre Bo Horvat). At Canucks Army, Thomas Drance says he has conflicting thoughts on the process:

I'll admit that I'm of two minds about the deal that sent Cory Schneider to the New Jersey Devils straight up for the pick that became Bo Horvat. On the one hand, a top-ten pick in a deep draft is a solid return for an unproven starter. On the other, this was handled embarrassingly by the Canucks organization, the clubs overall indecision on this front is not a good look, and it ultimately worked out poorly for the club.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 08:31PM
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DSF wrote:

The Leafs acquired Dave Bolland, an actual NHL player, for #51 and #117.

How many actual NHL players (which the Oilers desperately need) did the Oilers acquire for their 2nd round picks?

If avoiding "selling the future" is all about buying lottery tickets, MacT is a master.

All the while ELC's go tick tock.

The Oilers acquired NO NHL roster players today and it cost them NOTHING......

The Canucks acquired NO NHL roster players today and it cost them THEIR STARTING GOALIE.....THE FACE OF THE FRANCHISE!!

just wondering.....does this mean Betty Lou gets the C back?

And while the ELC's go tick tick........the WINDOW is closing..... On the SISTERS and BETTY LOU!

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#52 Bonvie
June 30 2013, 08:34PM
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@6 ring circus

Yeah at the trade deadline but unfortunately we had a moron steering the ship.

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#53 Dman09
June 30 2013, 08:34PM
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T__Bone88 wrote:

What could the Oilers have possibly offered more to Minnesota for Clutterbuck than a recent player that went 5th overall? Sure the oilers could of added more picks but there is a lot more value in Niederreiter than Pitlick and a 2nd rounder.

Nino has a bad attitude, Ils didn't think he was ready for the NHL and he argued with them on it. Hes basically asked for a trade. His value was way low. And Nino's career numbers aren't all that great either.

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#54 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 08:34PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Im so tired of fans like Doug.

I'm 27 - I'm sorry I can't willingly accept going through my entire 20's without watching one playoff game from my favorite team.

3 more years, what a joke. Let me smell that coffee, take a sip and spit out out back in your face.

Why don't you go back to posting at HockeyBuzz where you single handedly make Oilers fans seem like idiots....

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#55 chuck biscuits
June 30 2013, 08:35PM
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I seem to recall Nino and the Islanders having a falling out near the end of the season-I thought there was a trade request mentioned. I don't think Snow was going to win any trade.

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#56 Big Cap
June 30 2013, 08:35PM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

@Old Retired Guy

Everything you said is correct!

The Canucks are a joke with many many problems. But when is it time to start to make our own moves and upgrades instead of comparing ourselves to other losers?

We need to set the bar higher. And the Bar has been way to low for way to long and management seems to always accept it.

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#57 DSF
June 30 2013, 08:35PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

The Oilers acquired NO NHL roster players today and it cost them NOTHING......

The Canucks acquired NO NHL roster players today and it cost them THEIR STARTING GOALIE.....THE FACE OF THE FRANCHISE!!

just wondering.....does this mean Betty Lou gets the C back?

And while the ELC's go tick tick........the WINDOW is closing..... On the SISTERS and BETTY LOU!

Yes.

Doing nothing is always the default position.

Thing is, the Canucks are a much better team than the Oilers and it's the Oilers who need to add to their NHL roster to be successful.

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#58 DrunkGuyTy
June 30 2013, 08:36PM
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I must have missed the schedule change that said the season is starting tomorrow and that you had to have your rosters set by today.

Some of you need to stop buying in to all the T-SN hype leading up to the draft (much like the trade deadline). They talk all this crap to get hockey nerds like us sitting in front of the TV all day.

Today was about draft picks, not about trades or FA signings.

We got an excellent #7 pick and some solid fillers. Thank gawd we didn't succumb to Schneider-gate or get raped on Clusterphuque.

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#59 DonDon
June 30 2013, 08:38PM
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Thank God the shock and awe trade with Vancouver for Schneider didn't go through. I understand it was no thanks to MacT, rather Gillis decided to make a deal with New Jersey instead. Is this correct?

And there certainly weren't any bold moves. Darnell Nurse at #7 was a safe choice. Nuchuskin would have been bold. Trading quality for quantity by moving down in the draft isn't a bold move either.

MacT said that judge him by his moves rather than what he says. Fair enough, this is presently happening. Has the 2013 - 2014 squad been improved through the entry draft and trades to date? Don't think so. I guess we'll have to wait until the closing May 5 deadline on UFA to replace the roster's non-performers. The potential here doesn't look that great as players the Oil might have been interested in have either been re-signed or traded.

Unfortunately, all the OilersNation posters' interesting predictions on player acquisitions appears to have been a waste of time. We're back to same old, same old.

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#60 Harold
June 30 2013, 08:38PM
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Well they probably had Lindholm and Monahan ahead of Nurse. They would have drafted the goalie at 37. But.

Mact better be a quick learner because he got schooled.

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#61 Dman09
June 30 2013, 08:41PM
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DrunkGuyTy wrote:

I must have missed the schedule change that said the season is starting tomorrow and that you had to have your rosters set by today.

Some of you need to stop buying in to all the T-SN hype leading up to the draft (much like the trade deadline). They talk all this crap to get hockey nerds like us sitting in front of the TV all day.

Today was about draft picks, not about trades or FA signings.

We got an excellent #7 pick and some solid fillers. Thank gawd we didn't succumb to Schneider-gate or get raped on Clusterphuque.

Hate to break it to ya but MacT doesn't work for TSN and his press conferences are done by the Oilers them selves. He saddled that one himself by promising bold moves and NHL grade players to improve the team in the here and now. He even said they wanted to come away from the draft with another Goalie prospect as well. Its all a big joke and people keep soaking all their money into a losing team. Teach them a lesson and stop handing them all your money.

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#62 Aaron
June 30 2013, 08:45PM
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From what i read picks up to around 40 would have been in the first round last year. After that ii is a crap shoot.

The problem I have with Oilers draft is they had a 37 and it seemed like quite a few players were available . They traded down and began throwing darts.

I understand that Nurse was probably ranked 7th for the Oilers so they took him. I would like to know who they ranked higher Lindholm or Monahan.

I do like Nurse but he will take time . I'm not sure they won't be a lottery team next year.

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#63 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 08:45PM
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RJ wrote:

Picking up the second-rated defenceman in a deep draft is not a bad play. Not surrendering a king's ransom for a marginal upgrade in net, is not a bad play. Trading back and picking up 5 picks for one is not a bad play, especially once you've gone past the top tier of prospects in the draft.

But telling everyone that you were going to make bold moves and then making no bold moves at all shows MacT needs to work on managing expectations.

Ya....kinda makes me wonder if theGM Old Boys Club were intent on teaching the new kid on the block a lesson after all his public yapping about making 8 moves.....kinda making it look like the rest of these GMs just haven't been doing their jobs......

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#64 Rama Lama
June 30 2013, 08:48PM
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Although Mac T truck out at every trade scenario I'm still backing him. I think we need to thank the hockey gods that we did not get CS! The asking price was stupid and would have made Mac T look desperate........and stupid all at the same time.

Tamby actually screwed us by not trading Hemsky, rather acquiring two totally useless players. His mistakes needed to be undone first and I wonder what the possibilities might have been had we those draft choices in hand.

Darnell may just be the second coming of Pronger and this was a solid well thought out selection.........I still wonder if we had the draft choices in hand could we have got Nurse and Nichuskin?

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#65 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 08:49PM
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Look up above @57. I think DSF is Propping himself again....

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#66 DSF
June 30 2013, 08:50PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Although Mac T truck out at every trade scenario I'm still backing him. I think we need to thank the hockey gods that we did not get CS! The asking price was stupid and would have made Mac T look desperate........and stupid all at the same time.

Tamby actually screwed us by not trading Hemsky, rather acquiring two totally useless players. His mistakes needed to be undone first and I wonder what the possibilities might have been had we those draft choices in hand.

Darnell may just be the second coming of Pronger and this was a solid well thought out selection.........I still wonder if we had the draft choices in hand could we have got Nurse and Nichuskin?

Yeah, you can never have too many 2nd pairing defensemen.

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#67 DSF
June 30 2013, 08:52PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Look up above @57. I think DSF is Propping himself again....

No.

But how about I prop you next time you say something intelligent?

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#68 Mo Playoffs Mo Problems
June 30 2013, 08:52PM
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@DSF (#50)

How exactly did Gillis turn Schneider into Horvat AND Shinkaruk?

I think they're both solid picks, but to say that he kept his 24th overall pick while trading the guy he promised the starting goalie job for the 9th overall pick, is kinda like saying "I sold my car on Kijiji in exchange for cash, but I really won the trade because my house still has a garage".

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#69 Bonvie
June 30 2013, 08:53PM
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DSF wrote:

This is nonsense.

MacT's first draft was a disaster,

He picked a defenseman who is at least two years away from the NHL and then turned 2 seconds into a bunch of lottery tickets.

Not only did he not address team needs (#2C, first pairing D or a legit goaltending prospect), but he parlayed a strong position in the second round into a bunch of players who have only slightly better than a zero chance of playing in the NHL.

Since you mentioned Gillis...he took a dreadful goaltending situation and turned it into Bo Horvat and Hunter Shinkaruk, two players who are likely to have a much more immediate impact than anyone the Oilers drafted.

While Gillis painted himself into a corner with Luongo, he walked away with TWO very good forward prospects for his trouble.

Unfortunately I kind of agree with this. The time to acquire draft picks for a non playoff team is at the trade deadline when aging veterans have value. We really missed the boat there we might have been hard pressed to turn in a Schultz,Whitney or Hemsky into a late first put I am sure lots of 2nd and 3rds would have been in play. In that same vein we gave up a 3rd for a depth D soon to be UFA which we better sign, and a forward Smithson that probably won't even be at an NHL camp this fall we gave up a 4th.

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#70 Big Cap
June 30 2013, 08:54PM
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I Propped post 57.

Who's got a problem with it?

Everything DSF on that post was correct. Like it or not.

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#71 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 08:54PM
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DSF wrote:

No.

But how about I prop you next time you say something intelligent?

Oooooooo.....witty......Prop yourself!

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#72 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 08:55PM
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Big Cap wrote:

I Propped post 57.

Who's got a problem with it?

Everything DSF on that post was correct. Like it or not.

You prop him...he props you....are you in the same room? Do you need some Kleenex or an old sock?

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#73 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 09:03PM
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Big Cap wrote:

@Old Retired Guy

Everything you said is correct!

The Canucks are a joke with many many problems. But when is it time to start to make our own moves and upgrades instead of comparing ourselves to other losers?

We need to set the bar higher. And the Bar has been way to low for way to long and management seems to always accept it.

By the way...not critiquing you....just having "sh*ts and giggles" with my Buddy DSF

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#74 DSF
June 30 2013, 09:06PM
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Mo Playoffs Mo Problems wrote:

@DSF (#50)

How exactly did Gillis turn Schneider into Horvat AND Shinkaruk?

I think they're both solid picks, but to say that he kept his 24th overall pick while trading the guy he promised the starting goalie job for the 9th overall pick, is kinda like saying "I sold my car on Kijiji in exchange for cash, but I really won the trade because my house still has a garage".

I didn't say that.

For a GM who was backed into a corner, he turned an excess of G into a team need...solid C.

He also picked up a high scoring winger in the first round.

While the Vancouver goaltending situation has been a mess, Gillis turned a pig's ear into a silk purse.

The Canucks goaltending depth is ridiculously deep.

Luongo

Lack

Joacim Eriksson (top goaltender in the SEL)

Eriksson played for league champion Skelleftea, posted a W/L record of 21/9 with a GAA of 1.67, a save percentage of .931and 5 shutouts in 30GP. His performance in the SEL playoffs was even better with a 1.06GAA and a .952 save percentage.

They also have Joe Canatta who has just turned pro after a very successful NCAA career.

The Oilers have an average NHL goaltender in Dubnyk and..............crickets.

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#75 DSF
June 30 2013, 09:07PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Oooooooo.....witty......Prop yourself!

Waiting...

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#76 dunk7
June 30 2013, 09:07PM
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Boy I'm getting a real sense of deja vu. A GM that promises the world and does nothing. A bunch of trades that almost happened but just didn't. A bunch of head scratching draft picks and no real commitment to any agenda and a coach that has supposedly been given the keys to the kingdom yet it still saddled by the GM and Presidents buddies. I had a lot of hope with the hiring of MacT...I'm feeling pretty let down this evening.

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#77 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 09:09PM
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DSF wrote:

I didn't say that.

For a GM who was backed into a corner, he turned an excess of G into a team need...solid C.

He also picked up a high scoring winger in the first round.

While the Vancouver goaltending situation has been a mess, Gillis turned a pig's ear into a silk purse.

The Canucks goaltending depth is ridiculously deep.

Luongo

Lack

Joacim Eriksson (top goaltender in the SEL)

Eriksson played for league champion Skelleftea, posted a W/L record of 21/9 with a GAA of 1.67, a save percentage of .931and 5 shutouts in 30GP. His performance in the SEL playoffs was even better with a 1.06GAA and a .952 save percentage.

They also have Joe Canatta who has just turned pro after a very successful NCAA career.

The Oilers have an average NHL goaltender in Dubnyk and..............crickets.

I'm confused.....is Luongo the pigs ear or the silk purse.....i thought the twins were the ones with the silk purses?!?

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#78 dougtheslug
June 30 2013, 09:12PM
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Since you mentioned Hunter Shinkaruk, there was a reason he plummeted to 24th pick, after being rated much higher earlier in his career -and I'm not just talking about his pint-size and the regression of his scoring over last year (dropping from 49 goals last year to 37 this year). No, I think it was the ease with which the Oil Kings completely shut him down in the Eastern Conference semi final this spring, rendering him completely invisible and totally ineffective, 2 points in 4 games, -4. I watched them do it. He was pathetic.

And you are saying, in your inimatable way, that he will have a more immediate impact than Darnell Nurse? Good grief.

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#79 justDOit
June 30 2013, 09:13PM
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They drafted a 6'4" midget. Nice.

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#80 Mo Playoffs Mo Problems
June 30 2013, 09:13PM
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@DSF

I wasn't calling Vancouver's goaltending depth into question, nor was I implying that the Oilers have any semblance of goaltending depth (clearly they don't).

I was wondering what you meant exactly by "he took a dreadful goaltending situation and turned it into Bo Horvat and Hunter Shinkaruk, two players who are likely to have a much more immediate impact than anyone the Oilers drafted.

While Gillis painted himself into a corner with Luongo, he walked away with TWO very good forward prospects for his trouble."

How did trading Schneider get them the 24th overall pick? I was pretty sure they got that pick courtesy of being swept in the first round of the playoffs...

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#81 stan
June 30 2013, 09:13PM
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DSF wrote:

I didn't say that.

For a GM who was backed into a corner, he turned an excess of G into a team need...solid C.

He also picked up a high scoring winger in the first round.

While the Vancouver goaltending situation has been a mess, Gillis turned a pig's ear into a silk purse.

The Canucks goaltending depth is ridiculously deep.

Luongo

Lack

Joacim Eriksson (top goaltender in the SEL)

Eriksson played for league champion Skelleftea, posted a W/L record of 21/9 with a GAA of 1.67, a save percentage of .931and 5 shutouts in 30GP. His performance in the SEL playoffs was even better with a 1.06GAA and a .952 save percentage.

They also have Joe Canatta who has just turned pro after a very successful NCAA career.

The Oilers have an average NHL goaltender in Dubnyk and..............crickets.

Thats exactly what you said, you might not of meant it that way but go back and read the post. You make it sound like gillis got both those players from the trade.

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#82 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 09:14PM
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DSF wrote:

I didn't say that.

For a GM who was backed into a corner, he turned an excess of G into a team need...solid C.

He also picked up a high scoring winger in the first round.

While the Vancouver goaltending situation has been a mess, Gillis turned a pig's ear into a silk purse.

The Canucks goaltending depth is ridiculously deep.

Luongo

Lack

Joacim Eriksson (top goaltender in the SEL)

Eriksson played for league champion Skelleftea, posted a W/L record of 21/9 with a GAA of 1.67, a save percentage of .931and 5 shutouts in 30GP. His performance in the SEL playoffs was even better with a 1.06GAA and a .952 save percentage.

They also have Joe Canatta who has just turned pro after a very successful NCAA career.

The Oilers have an average NHL goaltender in Dubnyk and..............crickets.

They need depth at GT cause the playoffs have four rounds... So when Lou chokes in round one they bring in Lack

when he chokes they bring in Erikkson.....

When he chokes they.......well..you get the point....

See they got rid of Schneider cause when Two guys choke in the same round......well ...then there is no next round......

Window is almost SHUT.....

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#83 Dog Train
June 30 2013, 09:16PM
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Postitives: - The Nurse pick was the right pick IMO given the way that the first 6 picks unfolded. - I like Mactavish trading back and adding some quantity. This is considered a deep draft and we only had 6 picks coming into the day. If you don't like it, then blame Tambellini. He traded the 3rd and 4th round picks for two players who quite possibly won't be re-signed this off-season. - An emphasis on forwards makes sense. I think our deepest position organizationally might actually be on D, we just needed a high end guy like Nurse. - The possibility of Yakimov setting up Yakupov for one-timers and the resulting nightmare for play-by-play announcers. - We didn't make any bad trades.

Negatives: -Not drafting a goaltender. That's two years in a row that we didn't draft a goaltender and we still don't have a prospect goaltender in the CHL. With 10 picks, you would figure they could afford to burn one on a stopper. I guess they were interested in Fucale at #37 but even a late-round flyer would have been better than nothing. - So far, Mactavish has over-promised and under-delivered. The off-season is far from over but you have to wonder if how vocal he has been about being active and the fact that he is a first-time GM is leading to rivals GMs trying to fleece him. Hopefully, MacT can deliver in the coming weeks.

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#84 Senior
June 30 2013, 09:17PM
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Not real happy, but give MacT until start of training camp. Lets see who is here. But I can't shake the feeling that a #7 could not get help now if Schneider is worth a 9? And who are all these other picks???

Call me "Not So Optimistic".

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#85 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 09:18PM
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Mo Playoffs Mo Problems wrote:

@DSF

I wasn't calling Vancouver's goaltending depth into question, nor was I implying that the Oilers have any semblance of goaltending depth (clearly they don't).

I was wondering what you meant exactly by "he took a dreadful goaltending situation and turned it into Bo Horvat and Hunter Shinkaruk, two players who are likely to have a much more immediate impact than anyone the Oilers drafted.

While Gillis painted himself into a corner with Luongo, he walked away with TWO very good forward prospects for his trouble."

How did trading Schneider get them the 24th overall pick? I was pretty sure they got that pick courtesy of being swept in the first round of the playoffs...

Brass master....your trying to apply logic to a DSF conversation........that takes.......well......BRASS! Please proceed.....

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#86 Quintana
June 30 2013, 09:19PM
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Dog Train wrote:

Postitives: - The Nurse pick was the right pick IMO given the way that the first 6 picks unfolded. - I like Mactavish trading back and adding some quantity. This is considered a deep draft and we only had 6 picks coming into the day. If you don't like it, then blame Tambellini. He traded the 3rd and 4th round picks for two players who quite possibly won't be re-signed this off-season. - An emphasis on forwards makes sense. I think our deepest position organizationally might actually be on D, we just needed a high end guy like Nurse. - The possibility of Yakimov setting up Yakupov for one-timers and the resulting nightmare for play-by-play announcers. - We didn't make any bad trades.

Negatives: -Not drafting a goaltender. That's two years in a row that we didn't draft a goaltender and we still don't have a prospect goaltender in the CHL. With 10 picks, you would figure they could afford to burn one on a stopper. I guess they were interested in Fucale at #37 but even a late-round flyer would have been better than nothing. - So far, Mactavish has over-promised and under-delivered. The off-season is far from over but you have to wonder if how vocal he has been about being active and the fact that he is a first-time GM is leading to rivals GMs trying to fleece him. Hopefully, MacT can deliver in the coming weeks.

THIS.

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#87 Young Oil
June 30 2013, 09:20PM
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Honestly, I was quite impressed with all of MacT's choices today. No trade is much better than a bad trade, and there is still a lot of time to make some moves in the coming weeks. He was very smart not to panic and make a 'bold' move, and get absolutely fleeced in a trade. He gained some respect from me, and I bet some of the GM's respect him more now for not making a dumb trade.

As Willis has already pointed out, Bolland is not a good fit. We couldn't top NYI in the Clutterbuck trade, and we are better off with Nurse and Dubnyk than Schneider IMO.

Vancouver did fine as well, IF Luongo is still willing to play for them. Horvat is going to be very good, and Shinkaruk fell into their laps. It will be fun to see those two and Nurse battle in the coming years!

Lastly, unlike almost everyone else, I was extremely pleased that MacT turned the second round pick into five more bullets for Stu. Hamilton, Pitlick, and Musil have shown that early in the second round is far from a sure thing, and one could argue that Stu has been far more successful with picks after 40 than picks from 30-40. Slepyshev was on some lists to be a first rounder LAST year, and has superior stats to Nichushkin in the KHL (in a limited sample size for sure, but that is still a good sign). Then we picked up some center prospects that are desperately needed, and with some luck, one of them will develop into a 2/3 center. I think having those five players set us up better than having the one pick at 37. It will ideally give us some more depth in the years to come. Just my opinion.

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#88 madjam
June 30 2013, 09:22PM
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I like Slepychev , but his stats over last two seasons contradict being a high scorer . I like Nurse down the line , but doubt he will be top 2 with a weak shot . I think we could have done better in a lot of respects . It's been said Stu comfortable going forward filling from within - once again I disagree as many others I am sure . Can MacT. deliver on trades ? So far none to speak of , and that was one of his objectives during this draft .

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#89 bigflop
June 30 2013, 09:22PM
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Mo Playoffs Mo Problems wrote:

@DSF

I wasn't calling Vancouver's goaltending depth into question, nor was I implying that the Oilers have any semblance of goaltending depth (clearly they don't).

I was wondering what you meant exactly by "he took a dreadful goaltending situation and turned it into Bo Horvat and Hunter Shinkaruk, two players who are likely to have a much more immediate impact than anyone the Oilers drafted.

While Gillis painted himself into a corner with Luongo, he walked away with TWO very good forward prospects for his trouble."

How did trading Schneider get them the 24th overall pick? I was pretty sure they got that pick courtesy of being swept in the first round of the playoffs...

well said, DSF gets so worked up he doesn’t even read the crap hes writing

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#90 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 09:23PM
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Young Oil wrote:

Honestly, I was quite impressed with all of MacT's choices today. No trade is much better than a bad trade, and there is still a lot of time to make some moves in the coming weeks. He was very smart not to panic and make a 'bold' move, and get absolutely fleeced in a trade. He gained some respect from me, and I bet some of the GM's respect him more now for not making a dumb trade.

As Willis has already pointed out, Bolland is not a good fit. We couldn't top NYI in the Clutterbuck trade, and we are better off with Nurse and Dubnyk than Schneider IMO.

Vancouver did fine as well, IF Luongo is still willing to play for them. Horvat is going to be very good, and Shinkaruk fell into their laps. It will be fun to see those two and Nurse battle in the coming years!

Lastly, unlike almost everyone else, I was extremely pleased that MacT turned the second round pick into five more bullets for Stu. Hamilton, Pitlick, and Musil have shown that early in the second round is far from a sure thing, and one could argue that Stu has been far more successful with picks after 40 than picks from 30-40. Slepyshev was on some lists to be a first rounder LAST year, and has superior stats to Nichushkin in the KHL (in a limited sample size for sure, but that is still a good sign). Then we picked up some center prospects that are desperately needed, and with some luck, one of them will develop into a 2/3 center. I think having those five players set us up better than having the one pick at 37. It will ideally give us some more depth in the years to come. Just my opinion.

No "JUST"...........it's a damn GOOD opinion..........in my opinion......

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#91 yawto
June 30 2013, 09:23PM
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Here is the thing I see. The prospects on D are now stacked. I read the Oilers sites like the rest of us and rely on the input of these experts PK their analysis.

If we are to believe what we read, a prospect pool of Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat, Musil and Simpson are trending. The addition of Nurse to the pack allows Mact to put his stamp on the team and what type of player will be successful on his squads. It also frees him up to trade off one or more of the above names of which he has no attachment to.

The pick of Nurse to me appears to set the table for some type of forthcoming trade. No, none of the above defencemen are world beaters,but Gernat is looking fantastic for a fifth rounder, Marincin had a solid debut in the Ahl and Klefbom is looking good in limited action. Musil and Simpson have pedigree and are both playing solidly and will have value.

making trades to make trades isn't bold. planning and stocking your cupboards to make moves is smart. you need puzzle pieces to make bold moves. Mact just added 10 names to the depth chart, might not be a time to feel secure if you are a prospect from the tambo regime. ill make my judgements on mact in September.

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#92 Smokey
June 30 2013, 09:31PM
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Can anyone confirm this. Doesn't Coburn have a limited no trade. Maybe the musical chairs at the Oilers table was due to finding a suitable.deal, and once they had one in place Coburn ixnayed the whole thing. (Rumor.had it he had the Oilers as one of his choices, maybe he changed his mind) That would explain MacT's swearng after Holmgren exited the last time. Something tells.the Silver Fox tried.to move heaven and earth to get it done. Thoughts???

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#93 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 09:31PM
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DSF wrote:

Waiting...

Winning....

Now go put that sock in the washing machine....

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#94 Walter Sobchak
June 30 2013, 09:36PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

You better make the coffee a Grande.....cause theirs a lot of us on the site who are on Doug's side of this.....you're gonna need to spit a whole lotta coffee....

This is so awesome it’s stupid!!

In another three years Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, J.Schultz, Gagner and right behind them will be RNH and Yakupov will all have blown through their ELC and taken off a major portion of their LTC.

This is simply unacceptable asset management; there is NO NEXT YEAR OR THREE YEARS!! The time is now or when do you expect the Oilers to challenge for a playoff or cup?

This management team is a joke, MacTavish and Lowe simply talked a great game with very little to show.

You bought into it.

But hey, look at the bright side, there's always the 2014 draft, I'm guessing lottery pick again.

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#95 Jeffff
June 30 2013, 09:38PM
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@madjam

Kyle Woodlief head Scout of Reline Report

"Next up is the huge and rapidly improving Darnell Nurse, who is the most naturally physical defender available. He made good strides in his offensive game and has a" heavy shot" that is an asset on the power play. He likes to dish out punishment along the walls and easily separates his check from the puck. Nurse also scores off the charts in both his character and intelligence levels, and at a gangly 6-5, already has the footwork of a much smaller man."

MADJAM you are talking out both sides of your mouth. Weak shot hmm again you should be a scout .

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#96 WhattaMike
June 30 2013, 09:39PM
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it's time to set the story full and straight on Schneider going to the Devils by the 9th pick....Gillis apparently told MacT he was demanding a first rounder (#7) second rounder (probably #56) and a top prospect...to give the Oilers the deal.

Way Too Much!!!! Now...Gillis first back stabs the Oilers by seeking just the 9th pick alone,.... then he looks even more stupid to Luongo (and the league)by trying to get rid of him all year, telling everyone Schneider's his guy all year, and now....Gillis has to go back and say I love ya Lou.... Thats a loser GM to me...not MacT who did not do this deal.

MacT still has lots to do and we all know it but there is a full summer ahead...and Fall.

He got Nurse who will be a good shot as a top 2 defender, by also being bigger, stronger, and meaner witin 2 yrs...he got a big Russian centre (Yakimov) who can play strong and aggressive and he knows Yakupov excellently, he got some decent type other prospects with Slepyshev being very intriguing and with a lot of potential.

Slepyshev was injured pretty good last yr from what I heard and thats why teams shied away plus his being Russian too probably added to this...

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#97 DSF
June 30 2013, 09:43PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Since you mentioned Hunter Shinkaruk, there was a reason he plummeted to 24th pick, after being rated much higher earlier in his career -and I'm not just talking about his pint-size and the regression of his scoring over last year (dropping from 49 goals last year to 37 this year). No, I think it was the ease with which the Oil Kings completely shut him down in the Eastern Conference semi final this spring, rendering him completely invisible and totally ineffective, 2 points in 4 games, -4. I watched them do it. He was pathetic.

And you are saying, in your inimatable way, that he will have a more immediate impact than Darnell Nurse? Good grief.

Bob Mckenzie updated his draft list this this morning just before the draft.

He had Shinkaruk at 14.

Maybe it's just me, but I think Bob knows WAY more about draft picks than you do.

Would you disagree?

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#98 Rocket
June 30 2013, 09:44PM
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@Walter Sobchak

I don't know. Cap management is part of a GM's job & MacT just might make it work. I'm not holding my breath though.

BTW I agree with you that The Oilers should have drafted a forward & then trade for a defenceman. Nurse has me torn though as he looks like the real deal. I hope he works out & they can keep him with everyone else.

Seems like on other hockey sites commentators agree The Oilers made the correct choice. Fingers crossed.

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#99 Walter Sobchak
June 30 2013, 09:47PM
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@WhattaMike

Think about that for a secon, Gillis just did the Oilers a massive favour by not doing that deal.

You just sent the 7th, plus prospect (Paajarvi) and the second for TWO years of Schneider!!!!

That would have been bar none the worst draft in Oilers history right there!

If it wasn't for Gillis, the dumbest GM in the league would have been MacTavish!

Undisputed worse GM if that trade went down, I wouldn't be talking about Gillis, he did MacTavish a favor.....again!

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#100 Walter Sobchak
June 30 2013, 09:52PM
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Rocket wrote:

I don't know. Cap management is part of a GM's job & MacT just might make it work. I'm not holding my breath though.

BTW I agree with you that The Oilers should have drafted a forward & then trade for a defenceman. Nurse has me torn though as he looks like the real deal. I hope he works out & they can keep him with everyone else.

Seems like on other hockey sites commentators agree The Oilers made the correct choice. Fingers crossed.

Good point, but if I may retort.

How long do you expect these kids to lose for?

I'm guessing someone in that group asks to be traded if next year goes south.

Nurse maybe the real deal, I honestly have no issue with Nurse or the pick.

However, Nurse was the safe pick, the Tambellini pick if you will, now we wait for the next 3-4 years at the minimum for his development.

Trading that pick would have been acceptable, the Oilers left a tone! A tone on the table.

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