Craig MacTavish: Making not so bold moves?

Jonathan Willis
June 30 2013 06:55PM

Edmonton Oilers general manager Craig MacTavish was busy early at the 2013 NHL Draft, but the moves were less bold than many may have hoped for. Second round picks, as promised, were the currency of choice but rather than shoring up the Oilers in the short-term Mactavish opted to re-stock the team's supply of draft picks, which had been depleted entering the draft.

MacTavish pulled off a pair of trades, and while he failed to add NHL-ready talent to the Oilers he did manage to turn one second round draft pick into five selections in the two moves:

  • Edmonton traded their 37th overall pick to Los Angeles for the 57th, 88th and 96th picks
  • Edmonton then traded the 57th pick to St. Louis for the 83rd, 94th and 113th picks

All told, MacTavish sacrificed an early second round pick for selections at 83rd, 88th, 94th, 96th and 113th overall. Los Angeles picked Valentin Zykov; the Oilers instead took flyers on five different players:

  • Bogdan Yakimov: A 6'5" Russian centre with real potential but footspeed issues
  • Anton Slepyshev: A high-scoring Russian who was controversially passed over by everyone in 2012
  • Jackson Houck: A character player who led a weak Vancouver Giants team in scoring
  • Kyle Platzer: A defensive specialist buried on a strong London team
  • Aidan Muir: A 6'4" power forward playing midget hockey 

The two trades do a pair of important things for the Oilers.

Firstly, Edmonton re-stocked what was a rather barren cupboard of picks. Thanks to trades with Dallas for Mark Fistric and Florida for Jerred Smithson, the Oilers didn't have a third or fourth round draft pick and without making trades would have come away with only six players; instead they sacrifice quality in Zykov in exchange for quantity. Given the boom-or-bust nature of the draft, it's understandable why the team would want as many choices as possible.

Secondly, all five players chosen with those picks are forwards. The Oilers have a pretty decent set of prospects on defence, but up front the development pipeline is getting pretty empty. This gives the team an opportunity to load up on players who can potentially play roles up front for Oklahoma and, in a few years, perhaps for Edmonton. It's obvious this was a position of need for the Oilers, and they've done their best to address it - with picks still to come, seven of their first eight selections (and all five acquired via trade) have been forwards, with first round pick Darnell Nurse the only exception.

For Oilers fans, it would have been nice to see the team improve in the short-term by adding NHL players, and the rumours of the team pursuing Cory Schneider and Braydon Coburn and Cal Clutterbuck and others won't move the dial forward on the team one inch. But it's also easy to see why Craig MacTavish made the choices he did, and his work on draft day did help address positions of organizational weakness.

Much more, however, will need to happen in the coming week or two.

Recently around the Nation Network

The big news of the day came, not from Edmonton, but rather from Vancouver, as their ongoing goaltending saga finally saw a significant shift. The Canucks opted to hang their hopes on the untradable Roberto Luongo, instead sending presumptive starter Cory Schneider to New Jersey in exchange for the ninth overall pick (which was used on centre Bo Horvat). At Canucks Army, Thomas Drance says he has conflicting thoughts on the process:

I'll admit that I'm of two minds about the deal that sent Cory Schneider to the New Jersey Devils straight up for the pick that became Bo Horvat. On the one hand, a top-ten pick in a deep draft is a solid return for an unproven starter. On the other, this was handled embarrassingly by the Canucks organization, the clubs overall indecision on this front is not a good look, and it ultimately worked out poorly for the club.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
July 01 2013, 08:14AM
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DSF wrote:

The Leafs acquired Dave Bolland, an actual NHL player, for #51 and #117.

How many actual NHL players (which the Oilers desperately need) did the Oilers acquire for their 2nd round picks?

If avoiding "selling the future" is all about buying lottery tickets, MacT is a master.

All the while ELC's go tick tock.

Hey DSF, happy Canada Day. Just a quick question.

I have another one of these pesky "book its" of yours that somehow seems to have turned out to be wrong. I know it is tough to believe.

do i file this:

Florida will take Drouin at #2. Book it.

with all the others? it may be easier to start keeping a list of the ones you actually get right.

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#2 Naky
June 30 2013, 07:35PM
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@DSF

The Oilers also can't afford to sell their future for the sake of making a deal, ergo no deal is better than a bad deal.

Then again, you're the one who proposed trading Eberle, Gagner, and a second for Schneider so I'm guessing you prefer bad deals.

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#3 bigflop
June 30 2013, 09:22PM
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Mo Playoffs Mo Problems wrote:

@DSF

I wasn't calling Vancouver's goaltending depth into question, nor was I implying that the Oilers have any semblance of goaltending depth (clearly they don't).

I was wondering what you meant exactly by "he took a dreadful goaltending situation and turned it into Bo Horvat and Hunter Shinkaruk, two players who are likely to have a much more immediate impact than anyone the Oilers drafted.

While Gillis painted himself into a corner with Luongo, he walked away with TWO very good forward prospects for his trouble."

How did trading Schneider get them the 24th overall pick? I was pretty sure they got that pick courtesy of being swept in the first round of the playoffs...

well said, DSF gets so worked up he doesn’t even read the crap hes writing

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#4 K_Mart
July 01 2013, 08:31AM
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"Told asking price for Schneider to Oilers was the 7, a 2nd and a good young player. High price to trade within division, Oil passed."

— Ryan Rishaug (@TSNRyanRishaug) June 30, 2013

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/07/01/vancouver-canucks-premium-edmonton-oilers-cory-schneider/

So for those of you attacking MacT for making such a terrible offer, bite your tongue. He didn't make the offer, Gillis set the price and MacT turned him down. I, for one, am happy MacT said no. Now watch, everyone will blame him for not matching the price and getting Schneider.

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#5 Oilcruzer
June 30 2013, 06:58PM
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Whatever. Rather not make a move if the asking price is ridiculous.

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#6 Naky
June 30 2013, 07:05PM
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I feel like I should copy and paste what I said in the comments of the other article because I'm tired of hearing about the complaining of lack of BOLD MOVES so far but I won't and will just cherry pick what I wrote there.

* MacT said bold moves, not stupid moves made for the sake of making moves.

* It takes two to tango and no other team in the league has any interest in helping Edmonton get the pieces it needs to become a dangerous cup contender and certainly not for bargain bin prices.

* If what Gillis did to MacT with Schneider is any indication, other GMs are asking for the moon for the kind of players he wants, but are willing to get less from other teams they don't feel are as big of a threat. If he made any mistake, it's being so public with the desire to acquire the kinds of players he wants.

* Now is not the time to sell the farm for a few role players and a highly debatable marginal upgrade on goaltending.

* The world is not over after this draft is over. The horizon changes significantly again once free agency starts and teams lose out on the games of musical chairs they're going to be playing.

* None of the moves made already are worth crying over, really. Even the Clutterbuck one. Nino was a hell of a price to pay for him and I don't blame MacT for balking at that asking price. Islanders got burned in this trade IMO but what else is new about that management in that organization?

Still tons of time to make bold moves with the numerous of teams still suffering from salary cap issues and none of the big names have moved yet. If MacT swings and misses at all of them, we might have an issue then but as always keep in mind the price paid before you type angrily that he did. More trades like Clutterbuck for Nino trades aren't really in our favour.

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#7 DSF
June 30 2013, 08:35PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

The Oilers acquired NO NHL roster players today and it cost them NOTHING......

The Canucks acquired NO NHL roster players today and it cost them THEIR STARTING GOALIE.....THE FACE OF THE FRANCHISE!!

just wondering.....does this mean Betty Lou gets the C back?

And while the ELC's go tick tick........the WINDOW is closing..... On the SISTERS and BETTY LOU!

Yes.

Doing nothing is always the default position.

Thing is, the Canucks are a much better team than the Oilers and it's the Oilers who need to add to their NHL roster to be successful.

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#8 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 08:55PM
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Big Cap wrote:

I Propped post 57.

Who's got a problem with it?

Everything DSF on that post was correct. Like it or not.

You prop him...he props you....are you in the same room? Do you need some Kleenex or an old sock?

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#9 Young Oil
June 30 2013, 09:20PM
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Honestly, I was quite impressed with all of MacT's choices today. No trade is much better than a bad trade, and there is still a lot of time to make some moves in the coming weeks. He was very smart not to panic and make a 'bold' move, and get absolutely fleeced in a trade. He gained some respect from me, and I bet some of the GM's respect him more now for not making a dumb trade.

As Willis has already pointed out, Bolland is not a good fit. We couldn't top NYI in the Clutterbuck trade, and we are better off with Nurse and Dubnyk than Schneider IMO.

Vancouver did fine as well, IF Luongo is still willing to play for them. Horvat is going to be very good, and Shinkaruk fell into their laps. It will be fun to see those two and Nurse battle in the coming years!

Lastly, unlike almost everyone else, I was extremely pleased that MacT turned the second round pick into five more bullets for Stu. Hamilton, Pitlick, and Musil have shown that early in the second round is far from a sure thing, and one could argue that Stu has been far more successful with picks after 40 than picks from 30-40. Slepyshev was on some lists to be a first rounder LAST year, and has superior stats to Nichushkin in the KHL (in a limited sample size for sure, but that is still a good sign). Then we picked up some center prospects that are desperately needed, and with some luck, one of them will develop into a 2/3 center. I think having those five players set us up better than having the one pick at 37. It will ideally give us some more depth in the years to come. Just my opinion.

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#10 Smokey
June 30 2013, 09:56PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

This is so awesome it’s stupid!!

In another three years Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, J.Schultz, Gagner and right behind them will be RNH and Yakupov will all have blown through their ELC and taken off a major portion of their LTC.

This is simply unacceptable asset management; there is NO NEXT YEAR OR THREE YEARS!! The time is now or when do you expect the Oilers to challenge for a playoff or cup?

This management team is a joke, MacTavish and Lowe simply talked a great game with very little to show.

You bought into it.

But hey, look at the bright side, there's always the 2014 draft, I'm guessing lottery pick again.

I agree they are blowing the ELC's. Chicago figured it out once their core got paid. Theirs other ways of winning a cup then having studs on ELC. If the only blockbuster was overpaying for a good but not great goalie then pass. Something happened with Coburn. I think there is story to come out. Bolland wanted to go to TO, without him signed longer he went for what little they got. Clutterbuck, we got Snow'd, can't match that.. What else is was rumoured? Can't blame MacT for trying to make heaven and earth move, but remember what was said its hard to push a rock uphill. Best deal was the one not made. Tomorrows a new day.

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#11 WhattaMike
July 01 2013, 09:15AM
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Today is a new day and after sleeping with the draft in my mind overnight, I came to the conclusion this morning that the Oilers did not do a fail or as bad as we may have thought...

1) Nurse is an excellent prospect projected as a top #1 to #2 defender (with great skating skills and meanness). if he is not an offensive skill player so be it, he will anchor the top pairing with either Klefbom, Petry or J. Schultz in one to two yrs.

2) the Oilers got two centres both highly rated (although just not with sexy names as MacKinnon, Barkov, Monahan, Lindholm). Olivier Roy is highly rated as a very good two way centre and Yakimov is that big power centre (6'4") everyone was telling the Oilers to find for as a projected 2nd line centre.

3) Slepyshev is a two year in a row first round ranked talent for the left wing at 6'2" and 194 lbs with very good to great speed abilities and his shooting skill is stated to be topnotch. It was his KHL contract (ends this coming yr) which was the primary reason for GM's to not select him last yr...

Hmmmmm...first round and great 2nd round ranked type russian players to go with the excellent 2nd best ranked defenceman draft prospect

4) the others chsosen were for depth and who knows... I like it a lot that two (Muir and Chase are very gritty good sized SOB's to play against. The Oilers need those two to fill the 3rd to 4th lines in the future..

The other kids that the Oilers drafted are definitely interesting and without fame as yet, but then again there have been many players in this league (history wise) who had no name type status aor they were not even drafted and yet they made it/succeeded to play great for yrs.

5) Finally...it's a big thanks that the Oilers/MacT did not do any stupid or naive trades or even overpay for a traded player... although rumours of an big offer for Schneider was allegdly made prior to his going to New Jersey.

Schneider may be over-rated as he sucked to lead the Canucks into the playoffs this yr...and his stats were not awesome or spectacular to anyone during the regular season either.

Clutterbuck going to NYI for Neiderreiter might be a bad deal for Minnesota but who knows as the kid that hated NY may be a great one in a couple of yrs.

Bolland is an injury prone perimeter player that as such, many fans know there arfe a lot more of his type and cheaper out there waiting to be dealt.

These three deals (the only ones of apparent top story status during the draft) did not break the Oilers backs or bank with by not being done. Coburn for two 2nd rounders is a bit steep as well and his being traded to edmonton does Philly a bigger favor than his coming here would for the Oilers anyways. He is a 5 to 7 type defencemannot a top 2/3/4.

Other than size...what makes Coburn any better or superior skill-wise right now than Klefbom, Petry, Smid, J.Schultz, N.Schultz, Belov, etc?

So all in all I am very okay with MacT... now it is the real season to get players...thru smart trades, UFA deals, etc...starting with Khudobin, then maybe Horton....

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#12 OilClog
June 30 2013, 07:59PM
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DSF wrote:

The Leafs acquired Dave Bolland, an actual NHL player, for #51 and #117.

How many actual NHL players (which the Oilers desperately need) did the Oilers acquire for their 2nd round picks?

If avoiding "selling the future" is all about buying lottery tickets, MacT is a master.

All the while ELC's go tick tock.

Dude, you have the replies of an angry 8 yr old..

MacT's first draft was a success.

Walked away with more prospects then showed up with.

Didn't Sell the farm, look foolish doing so.

Is now a better GM then Gillis, or Snow

Still has his very 1st free agency to go through.

Lots of time to make Gillis look all the more foolish.

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#13 dunk7
June 30 2013, 09:07PM
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Boy I'm getting a real sense of deja vu. A GM that promises the world and does nothing. A bunch of trades that almost happened but just didn't. A bunch of head scratching draft picks and no real commitment to any agenda and a coach that has supposedly been given the keys to the kingdom yet it still saddled by the GM and Presidents buddies. I had a lot of hope with the hiring of MacT...I'm feeling pretty let down this evening.

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#14 dougtheslug
June 30 2013, 09:12PM
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Since you mentioned Hunter Shinkaruk, there was a reason he plummeted to 24th pick, after being rated much higher earlier in his career -and I'm not just talking about his pint-size and the regression of his scoring over last year (dropping from 49 goals last year to 37 this year). No, I think it was the ease with which the Oil Kings completely shut him down in the Eastern Conference semi final this spring, rendering him completely invisible and totally ineffective, 2 points in 4 games, -4. I watched them do it. He was pathetic.

And you are saying, in your inimatable way, that he will have a more immediate impact than Darnell Nurse? Good grief.

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#15 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 09:18PM
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Mo Playoffs Mo Problems wrote:

@DSF

I wasn't calling Vancouver's goaltending depth into question, nor was I implying that the Oilers have any semblance of goaltending depth (clearly they don't).

I was wondering what you meant exactly by "he took a dreadful goaltending situation and turned it into Bo Horvat and Hunter Shinkaruk, two players who are likely to have a much more immediate impact than anyone the Oilers drafted.

While Gillis painted himself into a corner with Luongo, he walked away with TWO very good forward prospects for his trouble."

How did trading Schneider get them the 24th overall pick? I was pretty sure they got that pick courtesy of being swept in the first round of the playoffs...

Brass master....your trying to apply logic to a DSF conversation........that takes.......well......BRASS! Please proceed.....

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#16 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 09:23PM
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Young Oil wrote:

Honestly, I was quite impressed with all of MacT's choices today. No trade is much better than a bad trade, and there is still a lot of time to make some moves in the coming weeks. He was very smart not to panic and make a 'bold' move, and get absolutely fleeced in a trade. He gained some respect from me, and I bet some of the GM's respect him more now for not making a dumb trade.

As Willis has already pointed out, Bolland is not a good fit. We couldn't top NYI in the Clutterbuck trade, and we are better off with Nurse and Dubnyk than Schneider IMO.

Vancouver did fine as well, IF Luongo is still willing to play for them. Horvat is going to be very good, and Shinkaruk fell into their laps. It will be fun to see those two and Nurse battle in the coming years!

Lastly, unlike almost everyone else, I was extremely pleased that MacT turned the second round pick into five more bullets for Stu. Hamilton, Pitlick, and Musil have shown that early in the second round is far from a sure thing, and one could argue that Stu has been far more successful with picks after 40 than picks from 30-40. Slepyshev was on some lists to be a first rounder LAST year, and has superior stats to Nichushkin in the KHL (in a limited sample size for sure, but that is still a good sign). Then we picked up some center prospects that are desperately needed, and with some luck, one of them will develop into a 2/3 center. I think having those five players set us up better than having the one pick at 37. It will ideally give us some more depth in the years to come. Just my opinion.

No "JUST"...........it's a damn GOOD opinion..........in my opinion......

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#17 yawto
June 30 2013, 09:23PM
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Here is the thing I see. The prospects on D are now stacked. I read the Oilers sites like the rest of us and rely on the input of these experts PK their analysis.

If we are to believe what we read, a prospect pool of Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat, Musil and Simpson are trending. The addition of Nurse to the pack allows Mact to put his stamp on the team and what type of player will be successful on his squads. It also frees him up to trade off one or more of the above names of which he has no attachment to.

The pick of Nurse to me appears to set the table for some type of forthcoming trade. No, none of the above defencemen are world beaters,but Gernat is looking fantastic for a fifth rounder, Marincin had a solid debut in the Ahl and Klefbom is looking good in limited action. Musil and Simpson have pedigree and are both playing solidly and will have value.

making trades to make trades isn't bold. planning and stocking your cupboards to make moves is smart. you need puzzle pieces to make bold moves. Mact just added 10 names to the depth chart, might not be a time to feel secure if you are a prospect from the tambo regime. ill make my judgements on mact in September.

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#18 Walter Sobchak
June 30 2013, 09:36PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

You better make the coffee a Grande.....cause theirs a lot of us on the site who are on Doug's side of this.....you're gonna need to spit a whole lotta coffee....

This is so awesome it’s stupid!!

In another three years Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, J.Schultz, Gagner and right behind them will be RNH and Yakupov will all have blown through their ELC and taken off a major portion of their LTC.

This is simply unacceptable asset management; there is NO NEXT YEAR OR THREE YEARS!! The time is now or when do you expect the Oilers to challenge for a playoff or cup?

This management team is a joke, MacTavish and Lowe simply talked a great game with very little to show.

You bought into it.

But hey, look at the bright side, there's always the 2014 draft, I'm guessing lottery pick again.

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#19 justDOit
June 30 2013, 09:53PM
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Is there a trade freeze from now until the start of the season? From the way most people are over-reacting to the simple plan of not over-paying in trades, makes me think that today was the last ever time that this mgmt will be able to upgrade the team.

And then they took five bets on talented players instead of a 37th pick. I like this much more than the coke machine hunting expeditions of yore. Time will tell on how successful this strategy is, but at least they're looking at hockey players.

We still have the amnesty all-stars and UFA period. If you're going to over-pay, I'd rather do it with the Rexall chequing account than prospects.

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#20 Cheap Shot Charlie
July 01 2013, 12:15AM
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DSF, Remember how Florida was going to draft Drouin? And it was "booked"... Looks like Drouin wasn't even their second choice. :( I just wanted to remind you of you're amazing hockey knowledge and how valuable your insight is! You keep us on our toes and laughing! :D

I love you man! *HUG*

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#21 2004Z06
June 30 2013, 07:24PM
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No deals are better than bad deals. If the deal isn't there, Mac T is best to stand pat. I think overall he did pretty good for his first time out. I think a lot of GMs probably thought they could fleece the rookie. It's safe to say Mac T is smarter than that.

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#22 rickithebear
June 30 2013, 07:40PM
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#83 and #88 were russias leading scoring forwards in there 10-11 U18 WJC team.

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#23 Smokey
June 30 2013, 08:06PM
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seanjohn667 wrote:

So we couldnt offer more for clutterbuck? Like pitlick and two 2nds? Or gernat? Those offers were very easily topped, but, as usual: 'we were aggressive, but the deal just wasn't there'. The famous last words of now two Oiler GMs.

There's aggressive then there is plain stupid. Neidereiter was a stupid overpay, thats like trading MPS or Klefbom. You just walk away. Clutterbuck is on a decline. Garth Snow is a fool.

Gernat is a gem. He's prospect you don't toss in. Have you watched any Oil Kings games. He's a great prospect.

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#24 RJ
June 30 2013, 08:10PM
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Picking up the second-rated defenceman in a deep draft is not a bad play. Not surrendering a king's ransom for a marginal upgrade in net, is not a bad play. Trading back and picking up 5 picks for one is not a bad play, especially once you've gone past the top tier of prospects in the draft.

But telling everyone that you were going to make bold moves and then making no bold moves at all shows MacT needs to work on managing expectations.

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#25 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 08:21PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Im so tired of fans like Doug.

I'm 27 - I'm sorry I can't willingly accept going through my entire 20's without watching one playoff game from my favorite team.

3 more years, what a joke. Let me smell that coffee, take a sip and spit out out back in your face.

You better make the coffee a Grande.....cause theirs a lot of us on the site who are on Doug's side of this.....you're gonna need to spit a whole lotta coffee....

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#26 DrunkGuyTy
June 30 2013, 08:36PM
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I must have missed the schedule change that said the season is starting tomorrow and that you had to have your rosters set by today.

Some of you need to stop buying in to all the T-SN hype leading up to the draft (much like the trade deadline). They talk all this crap to get hockey nerds like us sitting in front of the TV all day.

Today was about draft picks, not about trades or FA signings.

We got an excellent #7 pick and some solid fillers. Thank gawd we didn't succumb to Schneider-gate or get raped on Clusterphuque.

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#27 Mo Playoffs Mo Problems
June 30 2013, 08:52PM
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@DSF (#50)

How exactly did Gillis turn Schneider into Horvat AND Shinkaruk?

I think they're both solid picks, but to say that he kept his 24th overall pick while trading the guy he promised the starting goalie job for the 9th overall pick, is kinda like saying "I sold my car on Kijiji in exchange for cash, but I really won the trade because my house still has a garage".

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#28 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 08:54PM
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DSF wrote:

No.

But how about I prop you next time you say something intelligent?

Oooooooo.....witty......Prop yourself!

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#29 WhattaMike
June 30 2013, 09:39PM
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it's time to set the story full and straight on Schneider going to the Devils by the 9th pick....Gillis apparently told MacT he was demanding a first rounder (#7) second rounder (probably #56) and a top prospect...to give the Oilers the deal.

Way Too Much!!!! Now...Gillis first back stabs the Oilers by seeking just the 9th pick alone,.... then he looks even more stupid to Luongo (and the league)by trying to get rid of him all year, telling everyone Schneider's his guy all year, and now....Gillis has to go back and say I love ya Lou.... Thats a loser GM to me...not MacT who did not do this deal.

MacT still has lots to do and we all know it but there is a full summer ahead...and Fall.

He got Nurse who will be a good shot as a top 2 defender, by also being bigger, stronger, and meaner witin 2 yrs...he got a big Russian centre (Yakimov) who can play strong and aggressive and he knows Yakupov excellently, he got some decent type other prospects with Slepyshev being very intriguing and with a lot of potential.

Slepyshev was injured pretty good last yr from what I heard and thats why teams shied away plus his being Russian too probably added to this...

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#30 Jeffff
June 30 2013, 10:05PM
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@madjam

Tell that to Kyle Woodlief those are his words.

Pretty funny you can't even admit you were wrong.

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#31 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 10:08PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Are you saying he also knows more about draft picks than the management and scouting staffs of Columbus (who had 2 cracks at him and demurred), NY Islanders, Buffalo, Ottawa, San Jose, Detroit, Toronto, Calgary, and Washington? Cuz they disagreed with him too.

Anyway, about that statement that Hunter Shinkaruk will have a more immediate impact than Darnell Nurse. Care to wager?

Don't do it Doug .......DSF writes cheques his ass can't cash!

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#32 madjam
June 30 2013, 10:10PM
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Did MacT. make only one offer to Van. for Schneider and then never follow it up ? At some point if we are to get better we are going to have to pay the asking price on some of these trades . Clutterbuck we could have had , but Pitluck was really like throwing in nothing at his stage . In reality we were only offering a 2nd rounder and a suspect at best , as far as Minny was concernered . He is not even close to cracking our lineup , so why would anyone else want him ? We either start paying the price , or we'll remain a cellar club forever .

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#33 Smokey
June 30 2013, 10:12PM
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WhattaMike wrote:

it's time to set the story full and straight on Schneider going to the Devils by the 9th pick....Gillis apparently told MacT he was demanding a first rounder (#7) second rounder (probably #56) and a top prospect...to give the Oilers the deal.

Way Too Much!!!! Now...Gillis first back stabs the Oilers by seeking just the 9th pick alone,.... then he looks even more stupid to Luongo (and the league)by trying to get rid of him all year, telling everyone Schneider's his guy all year, and now....Gillis has to go back and say I love ya Lou.... Thats a loser GM to me...not MacT who did not do this deal.

MacT still has lots to do and we all know it but there is a full summer ahead...and Fall.

He got Nurse who will be a good shot as a top 2 defender, by also being bigger, stronger, and meaner witin 2 yrs...he got a big Russian centre (Yakimov) who can play strong and aggressive and he knows Yakupov excellently, he got some decent type other prospects with Slepyshev being very intriguing and with a lot of potential.

Slepyshev was injured pretty good last yr from what I heard and thats why teams shied away plus his being Russian too probably added to this...

Slepy was supposedly the first overall pick in the KHL draft I think last year. I'm praying we got our Tarasanko or Kunutzov. Teams shied away last year because of his commitment to play in the KHL, worth a flyer. I say send a recruitment contigent of Oiler's led by Yakcity, Ebs, Hallsy, Schultz, and Baby Nuge, and Wayne Gretzky on the Katz plane with some Rexallbucks, the Octane girls, a video of New Orleans and mardi gras (tell them its edmonton) and wine and dine these Rooskies and bring the SHLEPPER over here.

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#34 WhattaMike
June 30 2013, 11:00PM
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@Smokey

Thanks for input on Slepyshev and I agree on sending that contigent to get the kid over here lol...

However, you are right in that this kid has very high end potential. I think as well that he will likely come here sooner from the KHL (unless his contract is over already) with the Oilers having Yakupov, then both Zharkov and Yakimov in the system.

Nurse with Klefbom, Petry, J. Schultz, Smid, maybe Velov, and then Fedun, Marancin, Gernat, Musil, Davidson, Simpson, etc, makes a great and strong defence core future for the Oilers. Fedun and Marancin are one yr away and Nurse may be ready in two...with the others.

Yes this future type defence is not an immediate one but very close nonetheless...and the Oilers are about two yrs away from going heavy into the playoff run anyways.

I know, I know... this depends on the top left wing position, a very good goalie, and the two better type needed centres with two more tough good wingers...but it is doable...

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#35 QUINTANA
June 30 2013, 11:02PM
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DSF wrote:

Sure.

I'd wager Nurse spends another year in junior and then a season in the AHL.

I would expect Shinkaruk plays in the NHL much sooner.

SHUT UP.

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#36 MBO_99
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I would say this is very close to a fail on the Oilers part. We did get a great first round pick and something this organization needs, however!! This should have been the forum to get both Horcoff and Hemsky out of the picture. I am guessing that like most Oiler Fans the club over values a barely 3rd line center on most teams in Horc and still can not find a sucker for a injury prone skill player in Hemsky. Looking at all the players rumored to be for sale,and then sold at the draft, Edmonton missed out!! It appears for immediate help the Oilers will be looking to over pay UFA's to make any kind of impact this upcomming season. This will be a tall order considering they also got to move out salary to do so. So my question is this: Who would deal for Horc and Hemsky at this point and with a not so deep UFA pool, who could come in to make a vetern presence on this team with top 6 skill? Where does the Oil get a top pairing Dman and a leader for the blue line?? Bold moves...Nice Talk and no action!! We will be rebuilding for a couple more years yet at this pace!! My opinion...Buy Out Horc and Belanger this year and use the cash to find better...also stop thinking you will get something more valuable for Hemsky...Bottom line is he can not play a full season and other GM's do not value him highly!!

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#37 The Oilers Shot Clock
July 01 2013, 01:45AM
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There was only 3 trades worth mentioning today. Why are we upset MacT wasn't in on one of them? He didn't over pay = win. This is completely different than Tambos reluctance to even make a call. Mac was busy all day. The climate just wasn't right as evident by the fact that 24 other teams didnt do anything significant either trade wise.Fish weren't biting. Now that every team gets to turn their cards over and look at them, there will be trades. I don't like the idea of the panic draft floor trades anyways. Case in point Gillis. That trade he made was rushed, and obviously so. I don't think MacT is happy with his day, but there's still a lot of time. The fact he was in on most deals untill the end tells us he's working.

I think the Flames had an excellent day, even if they reached a bit once in the first round, and I think Buffalo won the draft for the second year in a row.

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#38 Smokey
July 01 2013, 02:11AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Your making excuses for a team that is wandering the desert.

Paajarvi is not an immediate upgrade to what NYI offdered?

You cant offer up the 7th overall for a ready NHL defensmen? I would think so.

you couldn't use your 2014 pick to aid in getting another player?

Bolland will go were Chicago trades him too. period!

The Oilers were not prepared to match simple as that!

Sorry, Tomorrow the same team will still be wandering in the desert, looking to now overpay a UFA.

P.S next years crop of UFA defensmen is also another reason today's pick was wasted.

You would do MPS for a declining Clutterbuck. Crazy.

Coburn is no where near worth a seventh pick rated.as the second best defensemen on the board.

We probably offered similar picks as TO. They got him. Sometimes teams trade outta conference. You have no clue whether they tried to match or not.

I would not overpay, you would. Rebuilding sucks, but many teams start making key trades when their ready to compete. MacT was tested, he luckily did not overpay for what he needed. Its going to be another year in the desert.

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#39 DrunkGuyTy
July 01 2013, 10:25AM
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@madjam

Have you gone into work every day of your life and accomplished 100% of what you intended? I could have been happier at the end of the day too but it's one day...quit being such a drama queen.

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#40 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 01 2013, 12:55PM
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@Spydyr

You just did the exact same thing, when it came to the type of player Nichushkin is going to be with your screwed up projection thingy.

Maybe curl up and have a good cry. I just feel sorry for you and your act now. I didn't get my way......readers of Oilersnation are going to have to pay! WAAAAAAAAA, WHAAAAAAA!

Here kid, have some cotton candy, ya brat!

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#41 Clyde Frog
June 30 2013, 07:02PM
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Disappointing to say the least and trading down is always scary, but at least we don't have 8+ million wrapped up in goalies...

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#42 Racki
June 30 2013, 07:08PM
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MacTavish was pretty busy today, especially with Holmgren. Braydon Coburn still hasn't been dealt yet, so there may be something there still. I think he put in a fair bit of effort to try and get a deal done, but we know these things are easier said than done, unfortunately.

Also, did anyone think MacTavish would fix this team all at the draft? There's a lot of off-season left to make moves/signings. But it seems like this is a lot harder than MacTavish hoped. GMs seem pretty stingy these days.

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#43 Beavers am
June 30 2013, 07:25PM
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Smart Mr. Katz gave me one dollar bill 'Cause I'm his smartest son, And I swapped it for two shiny quarters 'Cause two is more than one!

And then I took the quarters And traded them to Lou For three dimes -- I guess he don't know That three is more than two!

Just then, along came old blind Bates And just 'cause he can't see He gave me four nickels for my three dimes, And four is more than three!

And I took the nickels to Hiram Coombs Down at the seed-feed store, And the fool gave me five pennies for them, And five is more than four! And then I went and showed Mr. Katz, And he got red in the cheeks And closed his eyes and shook his head-- Too proud of me to speak!

- Shel Silverstein

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#44 DSF
June 30 2013, 07:29PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

No deals are better than bad deals. If the deal isn't there, Mac T is best to stand pat. I think overall he did pretty good for his first time out. I think a lot of GMs probably thought they could fleece the rookie. It's safe to say Mac T is smarter than that.

The Oilers cannot afford to make "no deals".

They have gaping holes at centre on the blueline and in goal.

After selecting Nurse, which IMO is a solid pick, MacT was like a chimp with a loaded handgun.

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#45 Time Travelling Sean
June 30 2013, 07:29PM
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@Big Cap

Isn't Bolland's contract 4M for 4 more years? To put up 15 goals and be annoying? Pass.

Nino and a 3rd is better than Pitlick and a 2nd and Clutterbuck isn't the type of player I'd want to be overpaying for considering physical players don't last very long.

I would rather have had quality than quantity, but past the top 40 it's lottery season, so the more tickets the better I guess.

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#46 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
June 30 2013, 07:38PM
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Sometimes the best deals turn out to be the ones you don't make. The deal for Schneider was a shocking over payment for an unproven goaltender. Coburn can continue to disappoint the Flyer faithful rather than the Oilers Tier 1 fans.

Can someone please keep an eye out for LT. He could be walking the streets in the west end somewhere, disillusioned by todays sequence of events. Best have an ice cold beer ready in your first aid pack if you find him.

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#47 nuge2nail
June 30 2013, 07:45PM
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Doug wrote:

People, relax and smell the coffee. The team is 3 years away from contention. The young D has to develop and mesh with the forwards. Dubby or another goalie needs to step up.

MacT maid the right move. The supposed offer for Schneider was stupid at best and Philly asking for 2 2nds and Smid was just as crazy.

Lets see what free agency brings. I'm will to bet MacT goes hard at a couple of forwards and is willing to overpay a bit.

Plus there may be other trades that pan out as the summer goes along.

Otherwise, let the process continue and the development continue. The team is getting better. Remember it took the Chicago Blackhawks 10 years to become an overnight sensation.

Oiler Domination To Follow

Im so tired of fans like Doug.

I'm 27 - I'm sorry I can't willingly accept going through my entire 20's without watching one playoff game from my favorite team.

3 more years, what a joke. Let me smell that coffee, take a sip and spit out out back in your face.

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#48 Naky
June 30 2013, 07:45PM
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@DSF

Really, Bolland is the best you can come up with for an example of a missed opportunity?

JW himself had an article ( http://oilersnation.com/2013/6/28/dave-bolland-is-not-a-fit-for-the-edmonton-oilers ) on why Bolland was not a fit for the Oilers and I agree with it. Why beat ourselves up for that? Clutterbuck? We offered Pitlick and a second for him, but we don't have a player of Nino's caliber to match and if we did it was a wise decision not to offer him up. Schneider's asking price from the Oilers was only slightly less ridiculous than the offer you yourself proposed for him.

But beyond all that? It's one half a day into the very beginning of what will be a very busy off-season. Writing off MacT at this point is pure foolishness and a knee jerk reaction that only serves to make you look as silly as it does impatient.

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#49 Greg The Hammer Valentine
June 30 2013, 07:51PM
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Draft over. Not one goalie selected. Odd.

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#50 Smokey
June 30 2013, 07:59PM
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rickithebear wrote:

#83 and #88 were russias leading scoring forwards in there 10-11 U18 WJC team.

I bet MacT was in on Bolland, we need to wait for the story. Chicago I bet got a similar offer and chose to trade outta conference. They know what Bolland is about and do you want that nasty piece of work playing against Kane, Sharp, Toews. I wouldn't of traded to the Oil period. They would of paid for it.

Coburn sounds like Philly expected Smid and two.seconds. The two seconds obviously were probably the sticking point. Smid for Coburn and something else would of been fine. Two.seconds is an overpay..

Clutterbuck. Snow is a imbecil, and Chucky Fletcher is brilliant. Clutterbuck was a pipe dream.

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