Craig MacTavish: Making not so bold moves?

Jonathan Willis
June 30 2013 06:55PM

Edmonton Oilers general manager Craig MacTavish was busy early at the 2013 NHL Draft, but the moves were less bold than many may have hoped for. Second round picks, as promised, were the currency of choice but rather than shoring up the Oilers in the short-term Mactavish opted to re-stock the team's supply of draft picks, which had been depleted entering the draft.

MacTavish pulled off a pair of trades, and while he failed to add NHL-ready talent to the Oilers he did manage to turn one second round draft pick into five selections in the two moves:

  • Edmonton traded their 37th overall pick to Los Angeles for the 57th, 88th and 96th picks
  • Edmonton then traded the 57th pick to St. Louis for the 83rd, 94th and 113th picks

All told, MacTavish sacrificed an early second round pick for selections at 83rd, 88th, 94th, 96th and 113th overall. Los Angeles picked Valentin Zykov; the Oilers instead took flyers on five different players:

  • Bogdan Yakimov: A 6'5" Russian centre with real potential but footspeed issues
  • Anton Slepyshev: A high-scoring Russian who was controversially passed over by everyone in 2012
  • Jackson Houck: A character player who led a weak Vancouver Giants team in scoring
  • Kyle Platzer: A defensive specialist buried on a strong London team
  • Aidan Muir: A 6'4" power forward playing midget hockey 

The two trades do a pair of important things for the Oilers.

Firstly, Edmonton re-stocked what was a rather barren cupboard of picks. Thanks to trades with Dallas for Mark Fistric and Florida for Jerred Smithson, the Oilers didn't have a third or fourth round draft pick and without making trades would have come away with only six players; instead they sacrifice quality in Zykov in exchange for quantity. Given the boom-or-bust nature of the draft, it's understandable why the team would want as many choices as possible.

Secondly, all five players chosen with those picks are forwards. The Oilers have a pretty decent set of prospects on defence, but up front the development pipeline is getting pretty empty. This gives the team an opportunity to load up on players who can potentially play roles up front for Oklahoma and, in a few years, perhaps for Edmonton. It's obvious this was a position of need for the Oilers, and they've done their best to address it - with picks still to come, seven of their first eight selections (and all five acquired via trade) have been forwards, with first round pick Darnell Nurse the only exception.

For Oilers fans, it would have been nice to see the team improve in the short-term by adding NHL players, and the rumours of the team pursuing Cory Schneider and Braydon Coburn and Cal Clutterbuck and others won't move the dial forward on the team one inch. But it's also easy to see why Craig MacTavish made the choices he did, and his work on draft day did help address positions of organizational weakness.

Much more, however, will need to happen in the coming week or two.

Recently around the Nation Network

The big news of the day came, not from Edmonton, but rather from Vancouver, as their ongoing goaltending saga finally saw a significant shift. The Canucks opted to hang their hopes on the untradable Roberto Luongo, instead sending presumptive starter Cory Schneider to New Jersey in exchange for the ninth overall pick (which was used on centre Bo Horvat). At Canucks Army, Thomas Drance says he has conflicting thoughts on the process:

I'll admit that I'm of two minds about the deal that sent Cory Schneider to the New Jersey Devils straight up for the pick that became Bo Horvat. On the one hand, a top-ten pick in a deep draft is a solid return for an unproven starter. On the other, this was handled embarrassingly by the Canucks organization, the clubs overall indecision on this front is not a good look, and it ultimately worked out poorly for the club.

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#51 WhattaMike
June 30 2013, 08:06PM
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I have to say that I am as very impatient as the next guy (Oiler fan) to see something great to bold being done but...that being said...The Oilers did not make a stupid overpayment type deal today and... because of trading down after Nurse (excellent pick IMO with the 5 top rated centres gone by then)...the Oilers stocked the cupboards for prospects.

I believe that after Nurse, the Oilers did alright with Olivier Roy (C), Yakimov (C), Slepyshev (C/W)...

However, MacT did state he was going to make moves and changes... This is the time now to do so due to the cap panic going on with many teams (buyouts/Compliance buyouts)...

I am still hoping for of the Seguin possibility deal that may be still out there right now...which would immediately upgrade one centre issue of the Oilers. Maybe Seguin isn't the complete answer but him and RNH with Eberle, Hall or Yakupov plus a possibilty of Horton (UFA)could be more exciting and then Gagner is either trade bait or being dropped down to third line centre status.

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#52 Ca$h-Money!
June 30 2013, 08:07PM
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Big Cap wrote:

I've sat thru players, coaches, GM's. Owners, games, and seasons. This weekend is one of the most disappointing times of all the above.

I'm not needing blockbuster trades like getting Vinny or Letang. But we cant offer what Toronto did to get Bolland? What about what the NYI offered to get Clutterbuck?? Coburn deal is all but dead now as well.

MacT couldn't even pull the the trigger to move and grab that goalie from Halifax.

This is weak and pathetic execution for MacT and his team. I don't care if they tried hard, or had lots of fingers in lots of pies.

Tell us again how great July 5th will be...

1) explain what makes "the goalie from Halifax" so impressive. All anyone talked about when he was picked was his win-loss record (40-5 or something like that).

Here's a hint: IF YOU ONLY LOSE 5 GAMES WHILE PUTTING UP A .905 SAVE PERCENTAGE.... THEN YOU PLAY FOR AN AWESOME TEAM.

Fucale won't be the best goalie in this draft, thank god we didn't move up for him... as if you can do that by magic or something anyway. Just an ignorant statement on all fronts.

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#53 russ99
June 30 2013, 08:09PM
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I don't get the angst, the Oilers drafted very well today, especially with the first and them extra picks..

Look at some of the trades today (other than Bolland who asked to go to Toronto which is why the price was so cheap) and you can see that the Oilers don't have the same level of quality to move, all we have are the unmovable kids, some poor/underperforming vets and average to below average prospects.

MacT can only do what he can do, when Neiderreiter and McBain and high picks are available and we have nothing comparable to offer.

Nobody is going to gift us assets for Pitlick, Lander, Musil or Horcoff and Hemsky for that matter. Gotta give to get and we don't have much to give, which is a massive failing of Tambellini's and not on MacT.

Hopefully MacT can make a splash in FA instead.

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#54 Ca$h-Money!
June 30 2013, 08:10PM
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2) they gave up Nino for Clutterbuck... we couldn't match that. That would be like giving up Pajaarvi. Would have been dumb.

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#55 DSF
June 30 2013, 08:31PM
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OilClog wrote:

Dude, you have the replies of an angry 8 yr old..

MacT's first draft was a success.

Walked away with more prospects then showed up with.

Didn't Sell the farm, look foolish doing so.

Is now a better GM then Gillis, or Snow

Still has his very 1st free agency to go through.

Lots of time to make Gillis look all the more foolish.

This is nonsense.

MacT's first draft was a disaster,

He picked a defenseman who is at least two years away from the NHL and then turned 2 seconds into a bunch of lottery tickets.

Not only did he not address team needs (#2C, first pairing D or a legit goaltending prospect), but he parlayed a strong position in the second round into a bunch of players who have only slightly better than a zero chance of playing in the NHL.

Since you mentioned Gillis...he took a dreadful goaltending situation and turned it into Bo Horvat and Hunter Shinkaruk, two players who are likely to have a much more immediate impact than anyone the Oilers drafted.

While Gillis painted himself into a corner with Luongo, he walked away with TWO very good forward prospects for his trouble.

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#56 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 08:31PM
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DSF wrote:

The Leafs acquired Dave Bolland, an actual NHL player, for #51 and #117.

How many actual NHL players (which the Oilers desperately need) did the Oilers acquire for their 2nd round picks?

If avoiding "selling the future" is all about buying lottery tickets, MacT is a master.

All the while ELC's go tick tock.

The Oilers acquired NO NHL roster players today and it cost them NOTHING......

The Canucks acquired NO NHL roster players today and it cost them THEIR STARTING GOALIE.....THE FACE OF THE FRANCHISE!!

just wondering.....does this mean Betty Lou gets the C back?

And while the ELC's go tick tick........the WINDOW is closing..... On the SISTERS and BETTY LOU!

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#57 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 08:34PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Im so tired of fans like Doug.

I'm 27 - I'm sorry I can't willingly accept going through my entire 20's without watching one playoff game from my favorite team.

3 more years, what a joke. Let me smell that coffee, take a sip and spit out out back in your face.

Why don't you go back to posting at HockeyBuzz where you single handedly make Oilers fans seem like idiots....

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#58 Dman09
June 30 2013, 08:41PM
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DrunkGuyTy wrote:

I must have missed the schedule change that said the season is starting tomorrow and that you had to have your rosters set by today.

Some of you need to stop buying in to all the T-SN hype leading up to the draft (much like the trade deadline). They talk all this crap to get hockey nerds like us sitting in front of the TV all day.

Today was about draft picks, not about trades or FA signings.

We got an excellent #7 pick and some solid fillers. Thank gawd we didn't succumb to Schneider-gate or get raped on Clusterphuque.

Hate to break it to ya but MacT doesn't work for TSN and his press conferences are done by the Oilers them selves. He saddled that one himself by promising bold moves and NHL grade players to improve the team in the here and now. He even said they wanted to come away from the draft with another Goalie prospect as well. Its all a big joke and people keep soaking all their money into a losing team. Teach them a lesson and stop handing them all your money.

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#59 Rama Lama
June 30 2013, 08:48PM
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Although Mac T truck out at every trade scenario I'm still backing him. I think we need to thank the hockey gods that we did not get CS! The asking price was stupid and would have made Mac T look desperate........and stupid all at the same time.

Tamby actually screwed us by not trading Hemsky, rather acquiring two totally useless players. His mistakes needed to be undone first and I wonder what the possibilities might have been had we those draft choices in hand.

Darnell may just be the second coming of Pronger and this was a solid well thought out selection.........I still wonder if we had the draft choices in hand could we have got Nurse and Nichuskin?

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#60 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 08:49PM
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Look up above @57. I think DSF is Propping himself again....

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#61 DSF
June 30 2013, 08:50PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Although Mac T truck out at every trade scenario I'm still backing him. I think we need to thank the hockey gods that we did not get CS! The asking price was stupid and would have made Mac T look desperate........and stupid all at the same time.

Tamby actually screwed us by not trading Hemsky, rather acquiring two totally useless players. His mistakes needed to be undone first and I wonder what the possibilities might have been had we those draft choices in hand.

Darnell may just be the second coming of Pronger and this was a solid well thought out selection.........I still wonder if we had the draft choices in hand could we have got Nurse and Nichuskin?

Yeah, you can never have too many 2nd pairing defensemen.

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#62 Bonvie
June 30 2013, 08:53PM
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DSF wrote:

This is nonsense.

MacT's first draft was a disaster,

He picked a defenseman who is at least two years away from the NHL and then turned 2 seconds into a bunch of lottery tickets.

Not only did he not address team needs (#2C, first pairing D or a legit goaltending prospect), but he parlayed a strong position in the second round into a bunch of players who have only slightly better than a zero chance of playing in the NHL.

Since you mentioned Gillis...he took a dreadful goaltending situation and turned it into Bo Horvat and Hunter Shinkaruk, two players who are likely to have a much more immediate impact than anyone the Oilers drafted.

While Gillis painted himself into a corner with Luongo, he walked away with TWO very good forward prospects for his trouble.

Unfortunately I kind of agree with this. The time to acquire draft picks for a non playoff team is at the trade deadline when aging veterans have value. We really missed the boat there we might have been hard pressed to turn in a Schultz,Whitney or Hemsky into a late first put I am sure lots of 2nd and 3rds would have been in play. In that same vein we gave up a 3rd for a depth D soon to be UFA which we better sign, and a forward Smithson that probably won't even be at an NHL camp this fall we gave up a 4th.

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#63 DSF
June 30 2013, 09:06PM
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Mo Playoffs Mo Problems wrote:

@DSF (#50)

How exactly did Gillis turn Schneider into Horvat AND Shinkaruk?

I think they're both solid picks, but to say that he kept his 24th overall pick while trading the guy he promised the starting goalie job for the 9th overall pick, is kinda like saying "I sold my car on Kijiji in exchange for cash, but I really won the trade because my house still has a garage".

I didn't say that.

For a GM who was backed into a corner, he turned an excess of G into a team need...solid C.

He also picked up a high scoring winger in the first round.

While the Vancouver goaltending situation has been a mess, Gillis turned a pig's ear into a silk purse.

The Canucks goaltending depth is ridiculously deep.

Luongo

Lack

Joacim Eriksson (top goaltender in the SEL)

Eriksson played for league champion Skelleftea, posted a W/L record of 21/9 with a GAA of 1.67, a save percentage of .931and 5 shutouts in 30GP. His performance in the SEL playoffs was even better with a 1.06GAA and a .952 save percentage.

They also have Joe Canatta who has just turned pro after a very successful NCAA career.

The Oilers have an average NHL goaltender in Dubnyk and..............crickets.

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#64 stan
June 30 2013, 09:13PM
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DSF wrote:

I didn't say that.

For a GM who was backed into a corner, he turned an excess of G into a team need...solid C.

He also picked up a high scoring winger in the first round.

While the Vancouver goaltending situation has been a mess, Gillis turned a pig's ear into a silk purse.

The Canucks goaltending depth is ridiculously deep.

Luongo

Lack

Joacim Eriksson (top goaltender in the SEL)

Eriksson played for league champion Skelleftea, posted a W/L record of 21/9 with a GAA of 1.67, a save percentage of .931and 5 shutouts in 30GP. His performance in the SEL playoffs was even better with a 1.06GAA and a .952 save percentage.

They also have Joe Canatta who has just turned pro after a very successful NCAA career.

The Oilers have an average NHL goaltender in Dubnyk and..............crickets.

Thats exactly what you said, you might not of meant it that way but go back and read the post. You make it sound like gillis got both those players from the trade.

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#65 Smokey
June 30 2013, 09:31PM
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Can anyone confirm this. Doesn't Coburn have a limited no trade. Maybe the musical chairs at the Oilers table was due to finding a suitable.deal, and once they had one in place Coburn ixnayed the whole thing. (Rumor.had it he had the Oilers as one of his choices, maybe he changed his mind) That would explain MacT's swearng after Holmgren exited the last time. Something tells.the Silver Fox tried.to move heaven and earth to get it done. Thoughts???

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#66 dougtheslug
June 30 2013, 09:58PM
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DSF wrote:

Bob Mckenzie updated his draft list this this morning just before the draft.

He had Shinkaruk at 14.

Maybe it's just me, but I think Bob knows WAY more about draft picks than you do.

Would you disagree?

Are you saying he also knows more about draft picks than the management and scouting staffs of Columbus (who had 2 cracks at him and demurred), NY Islanders, Buffalo, Ottawa, San Jose, Detroit, Toronto, Calgary, and Washington? Cuz they disagreed with him too.

Anyway, about that statement that Hunter Shinkaruk will have a more immediate impact than Darnell Nurse. Care to wager?

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#67 Rocket
June 30 2013, 10:21PM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Totally. Let Clutterbuck take a run at other rookies for a change. Besides, he wasn't gonna solve a lot for The Oilers. He would have been one small step foreward. Not worth an overpay.

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#68 RJ
June 30 2013, 10:25PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Ya....kinda makes me wonder if theGM Old Boys Club were intent on teaching the new kid on the block a lesson after all his public yapping about making 8 moves.....kinda making it look like the rest of these GMs just haven't been doing their jobs......

It makes me wonder if Homer, Gillis and Fletcher were just testing MacT to see if they could fleece him. But then again, the Oilers don't have the best record when it comes to free agency, so the trade market takes on some added significance. Hopefully he pulls something off in free agency.

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#69 nuge2nail
June 30 2013, 10:26PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

This is so awesome it’s stupid!!

In another three years Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle, J.Schultz, Gagner and right behind them will be RNH and Yakupov will all have blown through their ELC and taken off a major portion of their LTC.

This is simply unacceptable asset management; there is NO NEXT YEAR OR THREE YEARS!! The time is now or when do you expect the Oilers to challenge for a playoff or cup?

This management team is a joke, MacTavish and Lowe simply talked a great game with very little to show.

You bought into it.

But hey, look at the bright side, there's always the 2014 draft, I'm guessing lottery pick again.

Oiler Domination To Follow

THIS^^^^

I'm just dissapointed in myself for waisting countless hours reading rumors and posts suggesting moves to actually make the team better.

I am definately not looking forward to free agency talk on Oilersnation, what a waste of Time. I am getting used to this ridiculous feeling of disappointment from a team that does nothing but disappoint its fan base year after year.

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#70 Walter Sobchak
June 30 2013, 10:57PM
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Smokey wrote:

I agree they are blowing the ELC's. Chicago figured it out once their core got paid. Theirs other ways of winning a cup then having studs on ELC. If the only blockbuster was overpaying for a good but not great goalie then pass. Something happened with Coburn. I think there is story to come out. Bolland wanted to go to TO, without him signed longer he went for what little they got. Clutterbuck, we got Snow'd, can't match that.. What else is was rumoured? Can't blame MacT for trying to make heaven and earth move, but remember what was said its hard to push a rock uphill. Best deal was the one not made. Tomorrows a new day.

Your making excuses for a team that is wandering the desert.

Paajarvi is not an immediate upgrade to what NYI offdered?

You cant offer up the 7th overall for a ready NHL defensmen? I would think so.

you couldn't use your 2014 pick to aid in getting another player?

Bolland will go were Chicago trades him too. period!

The Oilers were not prepared to match simple as that!

Sorry, Tomorrow the same team will still be wandering in the desert, looking to now overpay a UFA.

P.S next years crop of UFA defensmen is also another reason today's pick was wasted.

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#71 nuge2nail
June 30 2013, 11:32PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Who cares if MacT and Lowe see eye to eye, nothing gets done anyways.

On top of that suggesting Lowe wanted to keep Steve Tambellini is a bigger joke than the one about "second rounders are the currency for trade" one we heard all week... What's the currency, second rounders for third and fourth rounders nice currency rate.

Why would Lowe want to keep Steve Tambellini who was possibly the worst GM in NHL history. His team record under his management has to be the lowest winning percentage for any GM in any sport in history.

Now MacT says he isnt as optomistic anything major will take Place. What's the point of even having a gm in Edmonton, Stu M makes the picks every year and no trades take place. The team has been rebuilding for 7 years.

When you make an attempt to sign a free agent and they say no, that doesn't mean you aren't rebuilding. When you trade players for picks for 7 years in a row you are in an infini- build. The never ending rebuild continues.

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#72 K_Mart
June 30 2013, 11:45PM
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I realize Nurse will probably play another year in junior and one year in the Ahl before he cracks the oilers' lineup... but a small fraction of optimism tells me that maybe, just maybe, he can beat the odds this off season and play his way on to the team as an 18-19 yr old. I just hope he doesn't get put on the roster unless he show's he is 100% ready.

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#73 K_Mart
July 01 2013, 12:15AM
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@nuge2nail

Penner for Klefbom, Teubert, Moroz.

Penner has done nothing since we ditched that waste of space with the so called good corsi numbers. He scored one good playoff goal for LA and has otherwise been slowly turning into a giant bag of milk.

Klefbom will show us this year if we won the deal or not.

Ryan smyth for Colin fraser... although it's not really significant, and it's barely even a win.

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#74 peppran
July 01 2013, 02:23AM
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Who cares anymore, nothing happens, just alot of talk about this and that, if there are no deals out there dont talk about bold moves in the media.

Bold moves... Trading av few picks that probably never becomes anything.

Bold moves to me is trading some of the kids for something else.

MacT is Tambo 2.0 (just more talk).

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#75 Reagan
July 01 2013, 03:57AM
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Did you guys honestly expect a miracle yesterday. Major player dumps and trades like what the Oilers want to do are not going to happen at the draft unless it's a slapshot into the right corner. Is Horcoff and Hemsky really draft table trade bait? I wouldn't think so. After Clutterbuck, Shneider being dealt to eastern teams it was more of an avoidance of dealing inner conference than dealing with the Oilers. Both clutch players with character and skill. No surprise e didn't land them. Coburn is going to cost the Oilers a pile, if the continue to push this week.

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#76 hemi
July 01 2013, 05:35AM
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Hate to admit it but I am definitely on the fence with the Oil Management Team's Draft Day Performance. On one hand, I am so relieved that MacT did not sell the farm to buy/trade for immediate help. I am thrilled of whom we selected though!

On the other hand, my tiredness of supporting a non winning team over the years wanted something solid to cheer about but alas, my cheering has been once again replaced with the old wait and see approach.

Buy-outs, UFA's and plain old trades may be the way we do it this summer. I refuse to be like the repetitive negative posters here and continually put the management team under the bus at every opportunity, so I will remain at the worst, a fence sitter for the time being.

I am just an ordinary fan whom so desperately wishes for better days for the Mighty Oil.

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#77 NewAgeSys
July 01 2013, 08:11AM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Ya....kinda makes me wonder if theGM Old Boys Club were intent on teaching the new kid on the block a lesson after all his public yapping about making 8 moves.....kinda making it look like the rest of these GMs just haven't been doing their jobs......

Craig Mactavishes peer group is collectively holding their breath.

I wouldnt even say the Islanders and Oilers of the 80s had a roster like we have here now to start from.

We shall recive naught but kicks to our collective Crown Royal Bag from all of our opponents until we establish ourselves as a difference maker in the standings, then teams will try to cataslyse their fates off of ours and will look to sandbag each other possibly giving us a tactical break here and there to screw their competition. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, type of mentality.

Teams are hoping to hold us back as much as they can league wide now, not just in our backyard.

We are poised to dominate teams like Chicago and the Penguins, we will be displacing them as Top Dogs wayyyy to early. There will be some real dogfights next year. And they all see it coming.

We cant judge Mac-T until someone is wlling to enter his sandbox and play with him.

They have good reason to keep clear of us. Dont feed the Giant man, keep him as skinny and weak as you can for as long as you can.

I think it was a very well managed Draft by the Oilers, we were patient, we had a solid plan we stuck to, we made no knee-jerk reactions, we sent out LOTS of feelers to other teams and showed willingness to exchange assets, we were reactive with our lower picks when the assets we targeted were gone early, but at the end of the day as per the well managed template we made what looks like the best decision for the team.

From the Oilers position they made the optimal choice, I had Nurse on my radar already. All you need to do is look at his lineage and you realise you have a potential anomoly on your hands, his relatives are BIG PACKAGES man, and you dont usually see The Big Package playing hockey, this young man WILL be an NHL difference maker, and judging by how he likes to play aside from the hitting, his stickwork and managment of his sphere of influence is already so good he might be held back and sent in a regressive direction if he spends to much time in OKC.

P.S, ha ha ha, I think he is kidding himself if he thinks he will be playing at less than 220, I am seeing 240+ when he fills in by 25 yrs old, and I dont think we will need to wait very long, by 20 he will be The Big Package we were looking for.

Dallas Eakins will teach him how to valuate his body weight as per his genetics and nothing else, he will teach him to optimise his genetics and stay in balanced Hockey form.

Mac-T and the Scouts get an B+, for first building and then properly implementing a pre-draft template, they showed focus and direction and were steadfast in the face of tremendous degrees of pressure, some self-induced and some out of their control.

Lets move forward now , whats next, un-restricted free agents?

What is next on the agenda, time is short the regular season is coming fast.

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#78 ed in edmonton
July 01 2013, 08:54AM
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I believe Glen Sather (or was it Sam Pollock) once said "sometimes the best deal is the one you don't make". It's difficult to criticize when no-one knows what was in play.

The 'nucks trading Schneider rather Luongo should show us how difficult it will be to get any value for Horcoff or Hemsky. These two are virtually untradeable unless the Oil take back an equally overpaid player or pay some of their salary.

What was Mact's motivation for announcing these two are no longer welcomed in Oilertown? Seems to me making his public further devalues their trade value and for what purpose (other than to give an impression of "making bold moves)?

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#79 K_Mart
July 01 2013, 09:01AM
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ed in edmonton wrote:

I believe Glen Sather (or was it Sam Pollock) once said "sometimes the best deal is the one you don't make". It's difficult to criticize when no-one knows what was in play.

The 'nucks trading Schneider rather Luongo should show us how difficult it will be to get any value for Horcoff or Hemsky. These two are virtually untradeable unless the Oil take back an equally overpaid player or pay some of their salary.

What was Mact's motivation for announcing these two are no longer welcomed in Oilertown? Seems to me making his public further devalues their trade value and for what purpose (other than to give an impression of "making bold moves)?

The oilers can retain half of their salaries so horc and hemmer would only be half the cap hit. This makes them half decent trade assets.

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#80 Quicksilver ballet
July 01 2013, 09:07AM
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There's little doubt now the Oilers will have to buy out Horc if they don't want him coming back. I'm not going to hang MacTavish out to dry for just being optimistic about what he wanted to accomplish yesterday. Lesson learned for Craig.

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#81 K_Mart
July 01 2013, 09:13AM
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@BArmstrong

HAHA! wow, so predictable sometimes. Funny how much value people put on an extra .006 sv% points

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#82 BArmstrong
July 01 2013, 09:20AM
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HAHA! wow, so predictable sometimes. Funny how much value people put on an extra .006 sv% points

Yup - the same people that are quick to point out (and rightly so) that Edm's D is a far cry from Van's.

Dubnyk might turn some heads if the roles were reversed.

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#83 K_Mart
July 01 2013, 09:38AM
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Smokey wrote:

Someone pointed out and I only quoting thats the difference of like 13 goals. That could be a few more wins.

Dubnyk saved 1042/1132 shots faced for a .921 sv% Had he saved 1049/1132 shots faced he'd have a .927sv%.

So, if somehow schneider could match the sv% he posted behind a cup contending team, behind arguably the worst defensive group in the nhl, he would have stopped an additional 7 goals.

At best, that is an extra 3-4 wins, at worst it is maybe an extra one or two wins, or zero.

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#84 Quicksilver ballet
July 01 2013, 12:42PM
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....says the guy who's pouting over the Oilers selecting, that said character guy, over your soft offensive type wildcard maybe kinda guy.

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

Quit throwing your temper tantrum because the Oilers are smarter than you.....get over yourself. Nurse will be twice the dman Smid will ever be.

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#85 Quicksilver ballet
July 01 2013, 01:16PM
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Right back at you, whiner.

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#86 Jimmer
June 30 2013, 07:03PM
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Rookie GM...enough said. Hope he doesn't try to make up for it by over paying July 5th.

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#87 Obiwan Eberle - Team Silver Fox
June 30 2013, 07:13PM
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I'm not going to type angrily, but that was a cheap price to pay for Bolland...and we'll be in need of a 3rd line center real f'n soon.

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#88 madjam
June 30 2013, 07:14PM
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The old Venture instrumental "Wipeout " or The " answer my friend is blowing in the wind" comes to mind .Sacrificed quality for quantity . "Smooth move exlax "? Looking forward to drafting Josh Ho-Sang second overall next season . Let the time clock begin . Will there be calls for bring back Tambo ?

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#89 Doug
June 30 2013, 07:15PM
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People, relax and smell the coffee. The team is 3 years away from contention. The young D has to develop and mesh with the forwards. Dubby or another goalie needs to step up.

MacT maid the right move. The supposed offer for Schneider was stupid at best and Philly asking for 2 2nds and Smid was just as crazy.

Lets see what free agency brings. I'm will to bet MacT goes hard at a couple of forwards and is willing to overpay a bit.

Plus there may be other trades that pan out as the summer goes along.

Otherwise, let the process continue and the development continue. The team is getting better. Remember it took the Chicago Blackhawks 10 years to become an overnight sensation.

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#90 squeezboks
June 30 2013, 07:17PM
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MacT is discovering that the hardest fish to catch in the NHL trade market...

The impact player on a cap-friendly contract.

I suspect he already knew this was the case.

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#91 Big Cap
June 30 2013, 07:24PM
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I've sat thru players, coaches, GM's. Owners, games, and seasons. This weekend is one of the most disappointing times of all the above.

I'm not needing blockbuster trades like getting Vinny or Letang. But we cant offer what Toronto did to get Bolland? What about what the NYI offered to get Clutterbuck?? Coburn deal is all but dead now as well.

MacT couldn't even pull the the trigger to move and grab that goalie from Halifax.

This is weak and pathetic execution for MacT and his team. I don't care if they tried hard, or had lots of fingers in lots of pies.

Tell us again how great July 5th will be...

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#92 DSF
June 30 2013, 07:27PM
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Racki wrote:

MacTavish was pretty busy today, especially with Holmgren. Braydon Coburn still hasn't been dealt yet, so there may be something there still. I think he put in a fair bit of effort to try and get a deal done, but we know these things are easier said than done, unfortunately.

Also, did anyone think MacTavish would fix this team all at the draft? There's a lot of off-season left to make moves/signings. But it seems like this is a lot harder than MacTavish hoped. GMs seem pretty stingy these days.

Typically, the NHL goes dark a few days after free agency with almost zero player movement as teams assess what they have going into training camp.

This year may be a little different because of the compliance buyouts but I would expect MacT has about 15 days to remake the roster with his 7-8 moves.

So far, nothing.

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#93 T__Bone88
June 30 2013, 07:29PM
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It would of been nice to acquire a player or two with the picks today but seriously there still be lots of player movement in the next couple of weeks. The trade for Schneider would of ridiculous if MacT did that and the oilers could not offer more that NYI did for Clutterbuck. The only trade that the oilers could of offered more was on the Bolland trade. Don't judge until late July after free agency has settled.

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#94 TayLordBalls
June 30 2013, 07:30PM
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Anton Slepyshe could turn out to be a great pick

he has a great one time shot - check him out on youtube

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#95 DSF
June 30 2013, 07:34PM
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Isn't Bolland's contract 4M for 4 more years? To put up 15 goals and be annoying? Pass.

Nino and a 3rd is better than Pitlick and a 2nd and Clutterbuck isn't the type of player I'd want to be overpaying for considering physical players don't last very long.

I would rather have had quality than quantity, but past the top 40 it's lottery season, so the more tickets the better I guess.

Bolland's contract is $3.3M for ONE more season.

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#96 madjam
June 30 2013, 07:35PM
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Just noticed we got Slepychev - good pick up there .

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#97 6 ring circus
June 30 2013, 07:38PM
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The biggest disappointment I have with the Oilers organization is for the last 5-7 years is getting everyone's hopes up that they will be doing something at the draft and then they do nothing. Mac T was the one who said he was going to make Bold move's and he did absolutely f all today in that regard. Hemsky Horcoff and Belanger are all still Oilers I am sure he could of got picks or made a decent trade for one of the three.

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#98 DSF
June 30 2013, 07:39PM
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@DSF

The Oilers also can't afford to sell their future for the sake of making a deal, ergo no deal is better than a bad deal.

Then again, you're the one who proposed trading Eberle, Gagner, and a second for Schneider so I'm guessing you prefer bad deals.

The Leafs acquired Dave Bolland, an actual NHL player, for #51 and #117.

How many actual NHL players (which the Oilers desperately need) did the Oilers acquire for their 2nd round picks?

If avoiding "selling the future" is all about buying lottery tickets, MacT is a master.

All the while ELC's go tick tock.

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#99 seanjohn667
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@Big Cap

I'm with u. U can sugar coat all day, but today was an epic fail by Mact.

I'm sickened by the continued inability of the organization to improve while ever other seems to be able to do it.

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#100 Oilers#1Fool
June 30 2013, 07:49PM
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Bold what a joke! I'm not suggesting making move solely to make moves. But if macT is waiting for someone to give him something for nothing, we can expect nothing. Lets hope he can do something on the 5th. But with our history at free agency I'm a little worried.(can you blame me).

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