Craig MacTavish: Making not so bold moves?

Jonathan Willis
June 30 2013 06:55PM

Edmonton Oilers general manager Craig MacTavish was busy early at the 2013 NHL Draft, but the moves were less bold than many may have hoped for. Second round picks, as promised, were the currency of choice but rather than shoring up the Oilers in the short-term Mactavish opted to re-stock the team's supply of draft picks, which had been depleted entering the draft.

MacTavish pulled off a pair of trades, and while he failed to add NHL-ready talent to the Oilers he did manage to turn one second round draft pick into five selections in the two moves:

  • Edmonton traded their 37th overall pick to Los Angeles for the 57th, 88th and 96th picks
  • Edmonton then traded the 57th pick to St. Louis for the 83rd, 94th and 113th picks

All told, MacTavish sacrificed an early second round pick for selections at 83rd, 88th, 94th, 96th and 113th overall. Los Angeles picked Valentin Zykov; the Oilers instead took flyers on five different players:

  • Bogdan Yakimov: A 6'5" Russian centre with real potential but footspeed issues
  • Anton Slepyshev: A high-scoring Russian who was controversially passed over by everyone in 2012
  • Jackson Houck: A character player who led a weak Vancouver Giants team in scoring
  • Kyle Platzer: A defensive specialist buried on a strong London team
  • Aidan Muir: A 6'4" power forward playing midget hockey 

The two trades do a pair of important things for the Oilers.

Firstly, Edmonton re-stocked what was a rather barren cupboard of picks. Thanks to trades with Dallas for Mark Fistric and Florida for Jerred Smithson, the Oilers didn't have a third or fourth round draft pick and without making trades would have come away with only six players; instead they sacrifice quality in Zykov in exchange for quantity. Given the boom-or-bust nature of the draft, it's understandable why the team would want as many choices as possible.

Secondly, all five players chosen with those picks are forwards. The Oilers have a pretty decent set of prospects on defence, but up front the development pipeline is getting pretty empty. This gives the team an opportunity to load up on players who can potentially play roles up front for Oklahoma and, in a few years, perhaps for Edmonton. It's obvious this was a position of need for the Oilers, and they've done their best to address it - with picks still to come, seven of their first eight selections (and all five acquired via trade) have been forwards, with first round pick Darnell Nurse the only exception.

For Oilers fans, it would have been nice to see the team improve in the short-term by adding NHL players, and the rumours of the team pursuing Cory Schneider and Braydon Coburn and Cal Clutterbuck and others won't move the dial forward on the team one inch. But it's also easy to see why Craig MacTavish made the choices he did, and his work on draft day did help address positions of organizational weakness.

Much more, however, will need to happen in the coming week or two.

Recently around the Nation Network

The big news of the day came, not from Edmonton, but rather from Vancouver, as their ongoing goaltending saga finally saw a significant shift. The Canucks opted to hang their hopes on the untradable Roberto Luongo, instead sending presumptive starter Cory Schneider to New Jersey in exchange for the ninth overall pick (which was used on centre Bo Horvat). At Canucks Army, Thomas Drance says he has conflicting thoughts on the process:

I'll admit that I'm of two minds about the deal that sent Cory Schneider to the New Jersey Devils straight up for the pick that became Bo Horvat. On the one hand, a top-ten pick in a deep draft is a solid return for an unproven starter. On the other, this was handled embarrassingly by the Canucks organization, the clubs overall indecision on this front is not a good look, and it ultimately worked out poorly for the club.

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#101 seanjohn667
June 30 2013, 07:52PM
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@Time Travelling Sean

So we couldnt offer more for clutterbuck? Like pitlick and two 2nds? Or gernat? Those offers were very easily topped, but, as usual: 'we were aggressive, but the deal just wasn't there'. The famous last words of now two Oiler GMs.

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#102 Shifty203
June 30 2013, 07:58PM
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The biggest issue now, since he couldn't make any moves let alone "bold" ones, is that its looking like we are going to be icing the same uncompetitive team next year. The UFA pool is extremely shallow, so without overpaying for anyone, MacT is going to go home empty handed there too.

I had heard Horcoff had already sold his house. Wonder if he can back out of that....

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#103 Dman09
June 30 2013, 08:13PM
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Another Year, Another Draft, same old BULLSH*T. Do absolutely nothing. You took a 2nd round pick with approx a 10-15% chance of becoming an NHLer and for 5 picks that have a total combine 1% likelyhood of becoming an NHLers. If thats a good job hire a bum from the street because he could do that. Give a guy $150 in bills and he give you $1 in change. Ya nice moves.

The Bolland and Clutterbuck trades were not over payments and the Oilers should have been in there. Van also completely F'd the Oilers on the Schnieder front(which is good in my opinion but still classless).

Every year I can't help but feel this team is becoming more and more of a joke. Other GMs don't even want to deal with them and it seems only low level players want to come here. I think I might need to start supporting the Leafs instead.

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#104 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 08:16PM
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seanjohn667 wrote:

I'm with u. U can sugar coat all day, but today was an epic fail by Mact.

I'm sickened by the continued inability of the organization to improve while ever other seems to be able to do it.

Have you tried drinking some ginger ale?

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#105 Dman09
June 30 2013, 08:21PM
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seanjohn667 wrote:

I'm with u. U can sugar coat all day, but today was an epic fail by Mact.

I'm sickened by the continued inability of the organization to improve while ever other seems to be able to do it.

The Oilers are incompetent on some many levels withing the organization it isn't even funny and I think over the last little while the entire league has shown it. Edmonton is viewed as the mini-me by the rest of the NHL and they showed it today.

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#106 Rocket
June 30 2013, 08:21PM
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I know everyone is saying MacT just Britta'd this draft but we won't really know how things play out till later in the summer. Until then, I'll withold my disappointment.

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#107 fig pucker
June 30 2013, 08:23PM
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rickithebear wrote:

#83 and #88 were russias leading scoring forwards in there 10-11 U18 WJC team.

wasn't one of these guys passed over last year in the draft? and if they're quality players why did they sink so low in this draft? because there are projected problems with these guys. have we all forgotten the linus omark episode, i guess we had to put our hand on the hot stove twice more.

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#108 Big Cap
June 30 2013, 08:25PM
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Ca$h-Money! wrote:

1) explain what makes "the goalie from Halifax" so impressive. All anyone talked about when he was picked was his win-loss record (40-5 or something like that).

Here's a hint: IF YOU ONLY LOSE 5 GAMES WHILE PUTTING UP A .905 SAVE PERCENTAGE.... THEN YOU PLAY FOR AN AWESOME TEAM.

Fucale won't be the best goalie in this draft, thank god we didn't move up for him... as if you can do that by magic or something anyway. Just an ignorant statement on all fronts.

@ Ca$h Money

Not saying he is the next Roy or Brodeur. However it was clear the Oilers wanted him as the trade with LA was made the second MTL announced their selection. But as usual we weren't aggressive enough.

So though I appreciate your "Hints" and comment about it being an ignorant statement. Next time do some some research as to how it all went down and don't make me have to hold your hand while doing it.

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#109 Butters
June 30 2013, 08:27PM
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I am fine with the Nurse pick, but it appears to me the Oiler just lessened their odds of getting another actual NHL player by trading out of the second round.

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#110 Greg The Hammer Valentine
June 30 2013, 08:28PM
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Wow, reading all those negative comments is unreal. It sounds like trading will be illegal starting tomorrow. There is time to make deals and change the team still.

Maybe MacT will indeed have a horrendous offseason, but lets waith 'till that offseason is over before we say so.

Having said that, keeping Smith and Burger as assistant coaches and not re-stocking the goaltender depth doesn't look too good.

But it's still a young summer.

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#111 T__Bone88
June 30 2013, 08:29PM
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@Dman09

What could the Oilers have possibly offered more to Minnesota for Clutterbuck than a recent player that went 5th overall? Sure the oilers could of added more picks but there is a lot more value in Niederreiter than Pitlick and a 2nd rounder.

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#112 Bonvie
June 30 2013, 08:34PM
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@6 ring circus

Yeah at the trade deadline but unfortunately we had a moron steering the ship.

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#113 Dman09
June 30 2013, 08:34PM
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T__Bone88 wrote:

What could the Oilers have possibly offered more to Minnesota for Clutterbuck than a recent player that went 5th overall? Sure the oilers could of added more picks but there is a lot more value in Niederreiter than Pitlick and a 2nd rounder.

Nino has a bad attitude, Ils didn't think he was ready for the NHL and he argued with them on it. Hes basically asked for a trade. His value was way low. And Nino's career numbers aren't all that great either.

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#114 chuck biscuits
June 30 2013, 08:35PM
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I seem to recall Nino and the Islanders having a falling out near the end of the season-I thought there was a trade request mentioned. I don't think Snow was going to win any trade.

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#115 Big Cap
June 30 2013, 08:35PM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

@Old Retired Guy

Everything you said is correct!

The Canucks are a joke with many many problems. But when is it time to start to make our own moves and upgrades instead of comparing ourselves to other losers?

We need to set the bar higher. And the Bar has been way to low for way to long and management seems to always accept it.

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#116 DonDon
June 30 2013, 08:38PM
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Thank God the shock and awe trade with Vancouver for Schneider didn't go through. I understand it was no thanks to MacT, rather Gillis decided to make a deal with New Jersey instead. Is this correct?

And there certainly weren't any bold moves. Darnell Nurse at #7 was a safe choice. Nuchuskin would have been bold. Trading quality for quantity by moving down in the draft isn't a bold move either.

MacT said that judge him by his moves rather than what he says. Fair enough, this is presently happening. Has the 2013 - 2014 squad been improved through the entry draft and trades to date? Don't think so. I guess we'll have to wait until the closing May 5 deadline on UFA to replace the roster's non-performers. The potential here doesn't look that great as players the Oil might have been interested in have either been re-signed or traded.

Unfortunately, all the OilersNation posters' interesting predictions on player acquisitions appears to have been a waste of time. We're back to same old, same old.

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#117 Harold
June 30 2013, 08:38PM
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Well they probably had Lindholm and Monahan ahead of Nurse. They would have drafted the goalie at 37. But.

Mact better be a quick learner because he got schooled.

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#118 Aaron
June 30 2013, 08:45PM
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From what i read picks up to around 40 would have been in the first round last year. After that ii is a crap shoot.

The problem I have with Oilers draft is they had a 37 and it seemed like quite a few players were available . They traded down and began throwing darts.

I understand that Nurse was probably ranked 7th for the Oilers so they took him. I would like to know who they ranked higher Lindholm or Monahan.

I do like Nurse but he will take time . I'm not sure they won't be a lottery team next year.

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#119 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 08:45PM
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RJ wrote:

Picking up the second-rated defenceman in a deep draft is not a bad play. Not surrendering a king's ransom for a marginal upgrade in net, is not a bad play. Trading back and picking up 5 picks for one is not a bad play, especially once you've gone past the top tier of prospects in the draft.

But telling everyone that you were going to make bold moves and then making no bold moves at all shows MacT needs to work on managing expectations.

Ya....kinda makes me wonder if theGM Old Boys Club were intent on teaching the new kid on the block a lesson after all his public yapping about making 8 moves.....kinda making it look like the rest of these GMs just haven't been doing their jobs......

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#120 DSF
June 30 2013, 08:52PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Look up above @57. I think DSF is Propping himself again....

No.

But how about I prop you next time you say something intelligent?

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#121 Big Cap
June 30 2013, 08:54PM
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I Propped post 57.

Who's got a problem with it?

Everything DSF on that post was correct. Like it or not.

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#122 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 09:03PM
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Big Cap wrote:

@Old Retired Guy

Everything you said is correct!

The Canucks are a joke with many many problems. But when is it time to start to make our own moves and upgrades instead of comparing ourselves to other losers?

We need to set the bar higher. And the Bar has been way to low for way to long and management seems to always accept it.

By the way...not critiquing you....just having "sh*ts and giggles" with my Buddy DSF

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#123 DSF
June 30 2013, 09:07PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Oooooooo.....witty......Prop yourself!

Waiting...

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#124 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 09:09PM
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DSF wrote:

I didn't say that.

For a GM who was backed into a corner, he turned an excess of G into a team need...solid C.

He also picked up a high scoring winger in the first round.

While the Vancouver goaltending situation has been a mess, Gillis turned a pig's ear into a silk purse.

The Canucks goaltending depth is ridiculously deep.

Luongo

Lack

Joacim Eriksson (top goaltender in the SEL)

Eriksson played for league champion Skelleftea, posted a W/L record of 21/9 with a GAA of 1.67, a save percentage of .931and 5 shutouts in 30GP. His performance in the SEL playoffs was even better with a 1.06GAA and a .952 save percentage.

They also have Joe Canatta who has just turned pro after a very successful NCAA career.

The Oilers have an average NHL goaltender in Dubnyk and..............crickets.

I'm confused.....is Luongo the pigs ear or the silk purse.....i thought the twins were the ones with the silk purses?!?

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#125 justDOit
June 30 2013, 09:13PM
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They drafted a 6'4" midget. Nice.

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#126 Mo Playoffs Mo Problems
June 30 2013, 09:13PM
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@DSF

I wasn't calling Vancouver's goaltending depth into question, nor was I implying that the Oilers have any semblance of goaltending depth (clearly they don't).

I was wondering what you meant exactly by "he took a dreadful goaltending situation and turned it into Bo Horvat and Hunter Shinkaruk, two players who are likely to have a much more immediate impact than anyone the Oilers drafted.

While Gillis painted himself into a corner with Luongo, he walked away with TWO very good forward prospects for his trouble."

How did trading Schneider get them the 24th overall pick? I was pretty sure they got that pick courtesy of being swept in the first round of the playoffs...

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#127 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 09:14PM
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DSF wrote:

I didn't say that.

For a GM who was backed into a corner, he turned an excess of G into a team need...solid C.

He also picked up a high scoring winger in the first round.

While the Vancouver goaltending situation has been a mess, Gillis turned a pig's ear into a silk purse.

The Canucks goaltending depth is ridiculously deep.

Luongo

Lack

Joacim Eriksson (top goaltender in the SEL)

Eriksson played for league champion Skelleftea, posted a W/L record of 21/9 with a GAA of 1.67, a save percentage of .931and 5 shutouts in 30GP. His performance in the SEL playoffs was even better with a 1.06GAA and a .952 save percentage.

They also have Joe Canatta who has just turned pro after a very successful NCAA career.

The Oilers have an average NHL goaltender in Dubnyk and..............crickets.

They need depth at GT cause the playoffs have four rounds... So when Lou chokes in round one they bring in Lack

when he chokes they bring in Erikkson.....

When he chokes they.......well..you get the point....

See they got rid of Schneider cause when Two guys choke in the same round......well ...then there is no next round......

Window is almost SHUT.....

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#128 Dog Train
June 30 2013, 09:16PM
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Postitives: - The Nurse pick was the right pick IMO given the way that the first 6 picks unfolded. - I like Mactavish trading back and adding some quantity. This is considered a deep draft and we only had 6 picks coming into the day. If you don't like it, then blame Tambellini. He traded the 3rd and 4th round picks for two players who quite possibly won't be re-signed this off-season. - An emphasis on forwards makes sense. I think our deepest position organizationally might actually be on D, we just needed a high end guy like Nurse. - The possibility of Yakimov setting up Yakupov for one-timers and the resulting nightmare for play-by-play announcers. - We didn't make any bad trades.

Negatives: -Not drafting a goaltender. That's two years in a row that we didn't draft a goaltender and we still don't have a prospect goaltender in the CHL. With 10 picks, you would figure they could afford to burn one on a stopper. I guess they were interested in Fucale at #37 but even a late-round flyer would have been better than nothing. - So far, Mactavish has over-promised and under-delivered. The off-season is far from over but you have to wonder if how vocal he has been about being active and the fact that he is a first-time GM is leading to rivals GMs trying to fleece him. Hopefully, MacT can deliver in the coming weeks.

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#129 Senior
June 30 2013, 09:17PM
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Not real happy, but give MacT until start of training camp. Lets see who is here. But I can't shake the feeling that a #7 could not get help now if Schneider is worth a 9? And who are all these other picks???

Call me "Not So Optimistic".

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#130 Quintana
June 30 2013, 09:19PM
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Dog Train wrote:

Postitives: - The Nurse pick was the right pick IMO given the way that the first 6 picks unfolded. - I like Mactavish trading back and adding some quantity. This is considered a deep draft and we only had 6 picks coming into the day. If you don't like it, then blame Tambellini. He traded the 3rd and 4th round picks for two players who quite possibly won't be re-signed this off-season. - An emphasis on forwards makes sense. I think our deepest position organizationally might actually be on D, we just needed a high end guy like Nurse. - The possibility of Yakimov setting up Yakupov for one-timers and the resulting nightmare for play-by-play announcers. - We didn't make any bad trades.

Negatives: -Not drafting a goaltender. That's two years in a row that we didn't draft a goaltender and we still don't have a prospect goaltender in the CHL. With 10 picks, you would figure they could afford to burn one on a stopper. I guess they were interested in Fucale at #37 but even a late-round flyer would have been better than nothing. - So far, Mactavish has over-promised and under-delivered. The off-season is far from over but you have to wonder if how vocal he has been about being active and the fact that he is a first-time GM is leading to rivals GMs trying to fleece him. Hopefully, MacT can deliver in the coming weeks.

THIS.

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#131 madjam
June 30 2013, 09:22PM
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I like Slepychev , but his stats over last two seasons contradict being a high scorer . I like Nurse down the line , but doubt he will be top 2 with a weak shot . I think we could have done better in a lot of respects . It's been said Stu comfortable going forward filling from within - once again I disagree as many others I am sure . Can MacT. deliver on trades ? So far none to speak of , and that was one of his objectives during this draft .

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#132 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 09:31PM
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DSF wrote:

Waiting...

Winning....

Now go put that sock in the washing machine....

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#133 Jeffff
June 30 2013, 09:38PM
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@madjam

Kyle Woodlief head Scout of Reline Report

"Next up is the huge and rapidly improving Darnell Nurse, who is the most naturally physical defender available. He made good strides in his offensive game and has a" heavy shot" that is an asset on the power play. He likes to dish out punishment along the walls and easily separates his check from the puck. Nurse also scores off the charts in both his character and intelligence levels, and at a gangly 6-5, already has the footwork of a much smaller man."

MADJAM you are talking out both sides of your mouth. Weak shot hmm again you should be a scout .

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#134 DSF
June 30 2013, 09:43PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Since you mentioned Hunter Shinkaruk, there was a reason he plummeted to 24th pick, after being rated much higher earlier in his career -and I'm not just talking about his pint-size and the regression of his scoring over last year (dropping from 49 goals last year to 37 this year). No, I think it was the ease with which the Oil Kings completely shut him down in the Eastern Conference semi final this spring, rendering him completely invisible and totally ineffective, 2 points in 4 games, -4. I watched them do it. He was pathetic.

And you are saying, in your inimatable way, that he will have a more immediate impact than Darnell Nurse? Good grief.

Bob Mckenzie updated his draft list this this morning just before the draft.

He had Shinkaruk at 14.

Maybe it's just me, but I think Bob knows WAY more about draft picks than you do.

Would you disagree?

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#135 Rocket
June 30 2013, 09:44PM
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@Walter Sobchak

I don't know. Cap management is part of a GM's job & MacT just might make it work. I'm not holding my breath though.

BTW I agree with you that The Oilers should have drafted a forward & then trade for a defenceman. Nurse has me torn though as he looks like the real deal. I hope he works out & they can keep him with everyone else.

Seems like on other hockey sites commentators agree The Oilers made the correct choice. Fingers crossed.

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#136 Walter Sobchak
June 30 2013, 09:47PM
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@WhattaMike

Think about that for a secon, Gillis just did the Oilers a massive favour by not doing that deal.

You just sent the 7th, plus prospect (Paajarvi) and the second for TWO years of Schneider!!!!

That would have been bar none the worst draft in Oilers history right there!

If it wasn't for Gillis, the dumbest GM in the league would have been MacTavish!

Undisputed worse GM if that trade went down, I wouldn't be talking about Gillis, he did MacTavish a favor.....again!

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#137 Walter Sobchak
June 30 2013, 09:52PM
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Rocket wrote:

I don't know. Cap management is part of a GM's job & MacT just might make it work. I'm not holding my breath though.

BTW I agree with you that The Oilers should have drafted a forward & then trade for a defenceman. Nurse has me torn though as he looks like the real deal. I hope he works out & they can keep him with everyone else.

Seems like on other hockey sites commentators agree The Oilers made the correct choice. Fingers crossed.

Good point, but if I may retort.

How long do you expect these kids to lose for?

I'm guessing someone in that group asks to be traded if next year goes south.

Nurse maybe the real deal, I honestly have no issue with Nurse or the pick.

However, Nurse was the safe pick, the Tambellini pick if you will, now we wait for the next 3-4 years at the minimum for his development.

Trading that pick would have been acceptable, the Oilers left a tone! A tone on the table.

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#138 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 09:56PM
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DSF wrote:

Bob Mckenzie updated his draft list this this morning just before the draft.

He had Shinkaruk at 14.

Maybe it's just me, but I think Bob knows WAY more about draft picks than you do.

Would you disagree?

No MAYBE.......it's just you!

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#139 madjam
June 30 2013, 10:00PM
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Jeffff wrote:

Kyle Woodlief head Scout of Reline Report

"Next up is the huge and rapidly improving Darnell Nurse, who is the most naturally physical defender available. He made good strides in his offensive game and has a" heavy shot" that is an asset on the power play. He likes to dish out punishment along the walls and easily separates his check from the puck. Nurse also scores off the charts in both his character and intelligence levels, and at a gangly 6-5, already has the footwork of a much smaller man."

MADJAM you are talking out both sides of your mouth. Weak shot hmm again you should be a scout .

Hope you enjoy your Kool-Aid .

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#140 DSF
June 30 2013, 10:01PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Are you saying he also knows more about draft picks than the management and scouting staffs of Columbus (who had 2 cracks at him and demurred), NY Islanders, Buffalo, Ottawa, San Jose, Detroit, Toronto, Calgary, and Washington? Cuz they disagreed with him too.

Anyway, about that statement that Hunter Shinkaruk will have a more immediate impact than Darnell Nurse. Care to wager?

Sure.

I'd wager Nurse spends another year in junior and then a season in the AHL.

I would expect Shinkaruk plays in the NHL much sooner.

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#141 WhattaMike
June 30 2013, 10:01PM
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@Walter "Wes" Sobchak

Thats exactly what i was meaning myself bud...that if MacT did the type deal gillis demanded to the Oilers we would be just ripping the Oilers to shreds right now.

MacT and Stu went out instead and got some ten prospects with Nurse, Olivier Roy both very good for two to three yrs down the road as should be completely expected of prospects.

The cupboards are not bear with the system anymore since Tambellini had gotten rid of the several round picks for 2013 and one for 2014 all for virtually nothing (Smithson, Brown- at least he fights decently) beforehand to begin with.

Now the Oilers have quite type assets again. And...before too many bitch of MacT today... look at Feaster and Calgary leaving both Fucale and Shinkaruk available after 22nd to 28th overall anyways when they went off the Board a bit again to pick up Emile Poirer who was 2nd round rated..

However, Calgary does have Brossoit for the future at least..

Let free agency and trading now begin...please!!!

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#142 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 10:14PM
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madjam wrote:

Did MacT. make only one offer to Van. for Schneider and then never follow it up ? At some point if we are to get better we are going to have to pay the asking price on some of these trades . Clutterbuck we could have had , but Pitluck was really like throwing in nothing at his stage . In reality we were only offering a 2nd rounder and a suspect at best , as far as Minny was concernered . He is not even close to cracking our lineup , so why would anyone else want him ? We either start paying the price , or we'll remain a cellar club forever .

Valid point about the offer.......but I look at it this way.....it's a win-win for us....we didnt overpay for Clutterbuck like Snow did......and that menace is now out of our conference...

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#143 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 30 2013, 10:19PM
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Slepy was supposedly the first overall pick in the KHL draft I think last year. I'm praying we got our Tarasanko or Kunutzov. Teams shied away last year because of his commitment to play in the KHL, worth a flyer. I say send a recruitment contigent of Oiler's led by Yakcity, Ebs, Hallsy, Schultz, and Baby Nuge, and Wayne Gretzky on the Katz plane with some Rexallbucks, the Octane girls, a video of New Orleans and mardi gras (tell them its edmonton) and wine and dine these Rooskies and bring the SHLEPPER over here.

......and let's not forget to send Mrs Eakins on that plane........Russian boys like western girls!

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#144 madjam
June 30 2013, 10:24PM
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Tell that to Kyle Woodlief those are his words.

Pretty funny you can't even admit you were wrong.

You'll soon find out at training camp , don't sweat it . Maybe he'll develop one in time .

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#145 peppran
June 30 2013, 10:25PM
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Same old same old...Lots of talk no machine.

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#146 madjam
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Interesting Lowe did not appear to be there . One fan says Lowe and MacT. don't see eye to eye , and sensed Lowe preferred to keep Tambellini . I didn't notice it , but wonder if anyone else did at MacT. being the new GM ?

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#147 Lochenzo
June 30 2013, 10:51PM
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When they missed out on Fucale, I assumed that they were trading down the pick to get Eric Comrie. Oops, guess I was wrong.

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#148 RJ
June 30 2013, 10:52PM
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Sure.

I'd wager Nurse spends another year in junior and then a season in the AHL.

I would expect Shinkaruk plays in the NHL much sooner.

That's a silly wager, imo. Even without looking at the players themselves, the skill sets of both players shows that a high-scoring forward makes the jump to the NHL quicker than a defenseman.

If you also look at the Oilers roster, it doesn't make any sense to rush Nurse into the lineup, regardless of how well he plays in training camp (with Klefbom & Belov in the wings and Schultz only having a half season on his resume).

That doesn't mean that Shinkaruk will have a better career or be more valuable in five years. Just that he'll probably make the NHL earlier than Nurse.

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#149 Lochenzo
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I will say that the Oiler's amateur scouts have had great success picking in the 4th through 5th rounds. Sooo...here's hoping they pull another rabbit or two out of the hat.

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#150 TDSM31
June 30 2013, 11:06PM
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With every move Mike Gillis makes Mike Milbury breathes a sign of relief. Gillis passed up a more lucrative offer from Edmonton just so he wouldn't have to face Schneider in divisional play? First, Gillis is telling Luongo (and the rest of his team for that matter) that they aren't good enough to beat Schneider and quite frankly, it makes the whole organization look scared. Second, you pass up the opportunity to get additional assets! These two issues alone should have Gillis fired.

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