Report: Ralph Krueger the Oilers’ second choice, behind Mark Messier

Jonathan Willis
June 04 2013 01:48PM

CBC’s Elliotte Friedman made waves a few nights ago on Hockey Night in Canada when he reported that the Oilers had initially offered their head coaching job not to Ralph Krueger, but to former great Mark Messier. Today, he expanded on that report.

From Friedman’s 30 Thoughts column:

Last year, the Edmonton Oilers considered Messier, Brent Sutter, Todd Nelson and Ralph Krueger (who got the job) to replace head coach Tom Renney. There may have been more, but that's who I can pin down. At some point, Messier was offered it. Oilers president Kevin Lowe declined a request to comment, so exact details are sketchy. But Messier considered it, took a little bit of time and said "no" for family reasons.

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Photo: Brendan Lee/Wikimedia

While the Oilers at times struggled under Ralph Krueger, who eventually got the job, it says here that the team still did well by Mark Messier’s decision not to come to Edmonton.

That isn’t a shot at Messier, who had a legendary playing career both in Edmonton and elsewhere, so much as it is a reflection of his lack of experience. He retired in 2004 and hasn’t worked as a coach in either the AHL or NHL over that span.

Instead, Messier has worked with the New York Rangers as a special assistant to Glen Sather. He’s had a series of brief stints with Hockey Canada. As head coach, he guided the national team to a second place finish at the 2010 Spengler Cup and a third place finish at the 2010 Deutschland Cup. The team he put together as general manager at the 2010 World Championships finished seventh. It’s a poor resume for either the top job in hockey operations or the number one role behind the bench of an NHL team.

It’s also hard not to look back at what happened in Phoenix after Wayne Gretzky stepped down as head coach. The Coyotes went out and hired Dave Tippett, a career coach who had 13 years behind the bench, starting as an IHL assistant coach, before taking the top job with the Coyotes. Phoenix improved by 28 points in his first year behind the bench.

Perhaps Messier would have been a coaching prodigy, able to hit the ground running at hockey’s highest level without spending any time learning the ropes as even an NHL assistant. Maybe that’s what he’ll do in New York. But it’s given the choice between a career coach who has paid his dues and put in his time (either in the majors or the minors or even junior, as new Colorado coach Patrick Roy did) and a guy walking in with his playing career as the number one point on his resume, it seems folly to offer the job to the latter.

Recently around the Nation Network

At Canucks Army, Thomas Drance grabs a point from the same Friedman column and runs with it - this regarding Dallas Eakins, the Toronto Marlies head coach who is a candidate for an associate job in Edmonton and the main job in Vancouver. From Dallas Eakins Will Do A Second Interview With Canucks Brass

With a number of other clubs hot on Eakins' tail, it's possible that the Canucks may need to ditch their usual cautious, gradualist approach to, well, everything really and secure the young coach who has impressed them.

Click the link above to read the whole piece, or feel free check out some of my other pieces here:

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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June 04 2013, 03:13PM
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I'm not a huge fan of word limits on blog comments, but man oh man am I in favor of a 300 word limit here at the Nation. *Cough* NewAgeSys *Cough*

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Even coaches now, are staying away for "family reasons".

Marks affiliation with Edmonton died as soon as he pulled on that Ranger jersey. He doesn't owe Edmonton anything. I often wonder if it was the appearance fee that brought him back to Edmonton, moreso than to have his number raised to the rafters.

I'm sure Mark probably polishes his Ranger ring a little more often than his other 5 rings. He's all New York now. Edmonton needs to let him go.

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#4 Archaeologuy
June 04 2013, 03:00PM
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Absolutely embarrassing. I want the Oilers to hire Tambellini just so they could fire him again.

Lowe too.

How could they offer someone with ZERO experience as a coach the Head Coaching job?

These guys are running the team like its their secret clubhouse. NO GURLS ALOUD

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June 04 2013, 05:17PM
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Does anyone still think Lowe isn't the problem?

Anyone?

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June 04 2013, 02:43PM
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lol um did newagesys really just suggest wayne gretzky and mark messier as being the ultimate coaching tandem? You gotta lay off the pot man..

That post was even more non-sensical and full of gibberish than normal.

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#7 Wax Man Riley
June 04 2013, 05:35PM
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David S wrote:

I'm not a huge fan of word limits on blog comments, but man oh man am I in favor of a 300 word limit here at the Nation. *Cough* NewAgeSys *Cough*

Just wanted to make sure this shows up again so I can prop it.... again.

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#8 Smokey
June 04 2013, 02:44PM
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NewAgeSys wrote:

In my estimation Mark Messier and Wayne Gretzky both would identify the same catalyst to managing a Stanley Cup team that the NewAge Hockey System would identify,and that is on-ice dynamic managerial lattitude,and to generate that special dynamic you require special relationships based on unusually strong loyalty,trust,and fully group supported functional lattitude in the decision makeing process .

This system is Tailormade for Messier and his ability to communicate,in fact it still dynamiclly fits his perspective perfectly.

I believe Mark Messier is a rare type of individual like many of the men we have here are,I see him understanding the optimal application of an Associate coaching position with a guarantee to get the shot after Ralph is done his tenure,whenever that is,Mark knows that to earn respect you simply need to earn tangible things players can understand so what better way when he cant play to earn that level of respect than to earn it the real tangible way?

I believe Messier has confidence that he can earn his way into a leadership position instead of being given it,and i think that internally he would be a happier more complete man in that position having earned it in a way he himself respects.

If we hired Messier tomorrow I would guarantee a playoff spot next year and a Stanley cup within two more.

He is the conventionally born,and specificlly indoctrinated Intuit thanks to Wayne Gretzky that has learned how to teach other conventional thinkers the Intuitive way of understanding hockey at another elite level,communication-wise.This ability INSTANTLY fills the massive Intuitive void we are suffering,with the one of the only two influences equal to the NHS in their Intuitive Dynamic Analysis and Managment abilitys.

I would call this the move of the Century if we pull it off.I am sure the Hockey world would be stunned and on alert immediatly,building exactly the type of identity we are looking for.

Only Gretzky,Messier,or the NHS are going to pull the Oilers ship to the top of the league.They are all Intuitive perspective able to activate and initiate the systemic influence Kevin Lowe has held for so long in a defensive posture.And for gods sakes i could stop posting about the NHS because the Oilers will have filled the void on their own.

Go for it Mac-T,if you analyse the situation with an open mind,you might see how Messier is the perfect fit,and that the only thing better would be Wayne as Head coach and Mark as Associate Coach,then its the NHS after that as the next best fit.

Give me two goddam hours in a room with,Mark and Kevin,along with katz and an open line to Gretz and we will have a Dynasty catalysed in 120 minutes.Ralph does not need to be a casualty here.But if wayne and Mark would agree to become the best Tandem in the NHL again then all bets are off and we wipe the slate clean for them,and give them the keys to the kingdom.Just let that group understand how the NHS works and we are done talking and will start winning Stanley Cups.Wayne and Mark would take the NHS and weild it like Excaliber.

The NHS belongs to those two anyways,ha ha ha,they were such major influences in its creation,it is poetic justice to think of them using it together in Edmonton to re-kindle the Dynasty.

Mac-T,take a deep breath and exhale slowly,when you feel your shoulders start to droop a few millimeters gently pause the breath and squeeze the trigger with the same motion and pressure you use when you break those fresh hundred dollar bills apart with your right hand fingers on payday, and just let the shot go,we need you to drop this one in man.Helping Messier find God here in Edmonton with the roster we have would be considered a record NHL snipe by anyones standards.

If I was listening to you, I'd cover my ears...make it stop, make it stop....

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#9 Archaeologuy
June 04 2013, 09:26PM
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@NewAgeSys

I think all people are trying to say is that you have to make your posts shorter so people are willing to read them. Assume everyone's attention span is equivalent to a 3 year old loaded up on pixie stix and meth

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June 04 2013, 05:14PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

NewAgeSys might actually annoy me more than DSF now...

Except I never read NAS, but with DSF, I can't stop myself

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#11 Wax Man Riley
June 04 2013, 05:16PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

NewAgeSys might actually annoy me more than DSF now...

Just wanted to reply to this so I could prop it again.

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Archaeologuy wrote:

Absolutely embarrassing. I want the Oilers to hire Tambellini just so they could fire him again.

Lowe too.

How could they offer someone with ZERO experience as a coach the Head Coaching job?

These guys are running the team like its their secret clubhouse. NO GURLS ALOUD

Who is more delusional: Lowe, Katz, or NAS?

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#13 Bank Shot
June 05 2013, 08:53AM
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This org. is ****ed.

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I respect Messier "the leader" and "the player" but I would seriously question giving him a head coaching position without, literally, any experience at any level of hockey.

That being said, I wonder where we would have finished in the standings with him as our coach and whether it would have resulted in Lowe joining Tambellini on the unemployment line?

Note to Lowe-- send Krueger and MacT a nice fruit basket this off season...

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#15 pelhem grenville
June 04 2013, 04:00PM
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...helllooo Messiers' been waiting for the Canucks job...he did so well as a player there maybe a coaching stint might work...Gretz has had his chance imo...he prolly knows it too...he isn't gonna coach again...

so no...can't see Mess doing any better.

...besides he's got an ego as big as Manhatten

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Archaeologuy wrote:

Absolutely embarrassing. I want the Oilers to hire Tambellini just so they could fire him again.

Lowe too.

How could they offer someone with ZERO experience as a coach the Head Coaching job?

These guys are running the team like its their secret clubhouse. NO GURLS ALOUD

Hiring Messier with no experience would be like hiring the backup goalie to be the GM...oh wait a minute.

Well ironically that's working out for New York.

Friedman's comments really shows how in over their heads and backwards Lowe and company are.

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NewAgeSys wrote:

In my estimation Mark Messier and Wayne Gretzky both would identify the same catalyst to managing a Stanley Cup team that the NewAge Hockey System would identify,and that is on-ice dynamic managerial lattitude,and to generate that special dynamic you require special relationships based on unusually strong loyalty,trust,and fully group supported functional lattitude in the decision makeing process .

This system is Tailormade for Messier and his ability to communicate,in fact it still dynamiclly fits his perspective perfectly.

I believe Mark Messier is a rare type of individual like many of the men we have here are,I see him understanding the optimal application of an Associate coaching position with a guarantee to get the shot after Ralph is done his tenure,whenever that is,Mark knows that to earn respect you simply need to earn tangible things players can understand so what better way when he cant play to earn that level of respect than to earn it the real tangible way?

I believe Messier has confidence that he can earn his way into a leadership position instead of being given it,and i think that internally he would be a happier more complete man in that position having earned it in a way he himself respects.

If we hired Messier tomorrow I would guarantee a playoff spot next year and a Stanley cup within two more.

He is the conventionally born,and specificlly indoctrinated Intuit thanks to Wayne Gretzky that has learned how to teach other conventional thinkers the Intuitive way of understanding hockey at another elite level,communication-wise.This ability INSTANTLY fills the massive Intuitive void we are suffering,with the one of the only two influences equal to the NHS in their Intuitive Dynamic Analysis and Managment abilitys.

I would call this the move of the Century if we pull it off.I am sure the Hockey world would be stunned and on alert immediatly,building exactly the type of identity we are looking for.

Only Gretzky,Messier,or the NHS are going to pull the Oilers ship to the top of the league.They are all Intuitive perspective able to activate and initiate the systemic influence Kevin Lowe has held for so long in a defensive posture.And for gods sakes i could stop posting about the NHS because the Oilers will have filled the void on their own.

Go for it Mac-T,if you analyse the situation with an open mind,you might see how Messier is the perfect fit,and that the only thing better would be Wayne as Head coach and Mark as Associate Coach,then its the NHS after that as the next best fit.

Give me two goddam hours in a room with,Mark and Kevin,along with katz and an open line to Gretz and we will have a Dynasty catalysed in 120 minutes.Ralph does not need to be a casualty here.But if wayne and Mark would agree to become the best Tandem in the NHL again then all bets are off and we wipe the slate clean for them,and give them the keys to the kingdom.Just let that group understand how the NHS works and we are done talking and will start winning Stanley Cups.Wayne and Mark would take the NHS and weild it like Excaliber.

The NHS belongs to those two anyways,ha ha ha,they were such major influences in its creation,it is poetic justice to think of them using it together in Edmonton to re-kindle the Dynasty.

Mac-T,take a deep breath and exhale slowly,when you feel your shoulders start to droop a few millimeters gently pause the breath and squeeze the trigger with the same motion and pressure you use when you break those fresh hundred dollar bills apart with your right hand fingers on payday, and just let the shot go,we need you to drop this one in man.Helping Messier find God here in Edmonton with the roster we have would be considered a record NHL snipe by anyones standards.

NewAge, you mentioned once that you were banned from the Oilers message boards.

This is why.

Save yourself some time and come up with the NewAgePostingSys intuitively and dynamically SHORTEN YOUR POSTS OR STOP ALTOGETHER.

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#18 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
June 04 2013, 05:50PM
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David S wrote:

I'm not a huge fan of word limits on blog comments, but man oh man am I in favor of a 300 word limit here at the Nation. *Cough* NewAgeSys *Cough*

What Wax-Man Riley said in post #29. Now to my real post....

Memo to New Age,

Please write in Haiku fashion.

You will* get more** PROPS.

* read: might ** read: one...maybe

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#19 GVBlackhawk
June 04 2013, 05:56PM
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DSF wrote:

Does anyone still think Lowe isn't the problem?

Anyone?

Jasmine.

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#20 Quicksilver ballet
June 04 2013, 06:00PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

I didnt't read anything of such, and I didn't see him quote any reliable sources.

Got a link to it?

http://itwasonhnicintermissionsegment.com

Hope this helps Jasmine.

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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

http://itwasonhnicintermissionsegment.com

Hope this helps Jasmine.

Come on now, quicksilver. We all know you are Jasmine. Don't try to be smart, you'll suffer a migraine.

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David S wrote:

I'm not a huge fan of word limits on blog comments, but man oh man am I in favor of a 300 word limit here at the Nation. *Cough* NewAgeSys *Cough*

Maybe a -Props button to go along with the limit, and the ability to sort comments based on +/- Props. ?

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#23 NewAgeSys
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David S wrote:

I'm not a huge fan of word limits on blog comments, but man oh man am I in favor of a 300 word limit here at the Nation. *Cough* NewAgeSys *Cough*

Word-Nazi.

Yes yes yes you voted many time over already havent you?

The beat goes on.

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#24 NewAgeSys
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

NewAge, you mentioned once that you were banned from the Oilers message boards.

This is why.

Save yourself some time and come up with the NewAgePostingSys intuitively and dynamically SHORTEN YOUR POSTS OR STOP ALTOGETHER.

You have a selective memory there slap-happy.

Get your facts straight,I challenged the Oilers site Mods to ban me and they did just that because I outright refused to be censored or have the NHS censored and to allow site managment to make luidcrous claims like"no Oilers managment or Players EVER visit or read posts on the site" so "dont post anything directed to managment or Players" or you will be punished,are you goddam kidding.Moderators posted this crap and threatened to punish anyone who posted anything to Managment or Players,what the hell??Anyone would have reacted like I did if they had any integrity at all.I asked them if they were freaking nuts,and reminded them that everyone knows that everyone surfs the net and that was the most retarded thing they could have possibly ever stated.And what exactly did they expect hockey fans to post on the site if not comments about and directed towards players and managment.I also got in trouble for advertising the NewAge Hockey System,the problem is you cant advertise a goddam idea,but the Mods didnt see it that way man,so game on again.They were part of a suppression effort,because the NHS was getting through to the managers and players and "someone"didnt like it and kiboshed me and the NewAge Hockey System,just prior to LA taking the same data and running with it and others since then doing the same thing.

FYI you little oxygen thief,the day before the beef that resulted in the ban, I was asked by someone from the Oilers in a Private Message to my account if i would break the NewAge Hockey System and its philosophys down into a format that could be given to a large group in a 40 minute meeting because there was to much to use the way it was.I was in the process of providing that exact abbreviated version of the NHS when all hell broke loose and I stood by my principals you little Rat.The lint on my Crown Royal Bag has more integrity than you do,ha ha ha.24 more hours without any conflict on the Oilers site and you would likely be reading about the NHS on TSN and we would have the Cup LA took and likely be competing for this one still.

My words and NHS philosophys have been repeated VER-FREAKING-BATIM on National Media to the Roster Players by Oilers Managment less than 24 hrs after they were posted on that account you mention under the name Moma2.That means there is a record of it you moron,you ought to shut the Front Door.Maybe if you did a little digging and stopped trying to incite trouble constantly you would learn something new and exciting.

And if you are one of the troublemakers who keeps re-posting my posts and posting complaints ,bloody well stop it,I took a gander at just this entire article and it is just senseless man this stuff comprises at least 3-4x the volume I post,post your issues or complaints ,all is fair,but Jesus dont re-post those posts of mine I dont really want to see them again after writing them once.

Half the time the nitwits complaining dont even talk hockey and the other time they waste time and space provoking people who actually do talk hockey.

And "I" get a 300 word limit,ha ha ha.There is no justice,ha ha ha.

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#25 GG
June 04 2013, 10:27PM
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Delusions of grandeur, gtfo

If anyone, let alone someone from Oilers management, believes 10% of the crap you spew, I'd eat my hat.

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#26 David S
June 04 2013, 11:01PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

NewAge, you mentioned once that you were banned from the Oilers message boards.

This is why.

Save yourself some time and come up with the NewAgePostingSys intuitively and dynamically SHORTEN YOUR POSTS OR STOP ALTOGETHER.

*High fives the Wax Man*

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#27 NewAgeSys
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NewAge you get on TSN I will eat my hat and leave you alone.I hope they got booster seats.

Save the hat,and dont worry you dont need to bring your booster seat you can sit at the big table with the big people as long as you behave.

Dont leave me alone man,how else are we going to make any headway?

I wonder of TSN is the only media fix that will satisfy you,because if you are just into the big screen you can find and post NewAge Hockey System philosophys being communicated directly and exactly by NHL managment people of the highest levels.There is a possibility that it is a tactical decision on my part to force someone else to post that media data.I am in no hurry there is no expiry date on the winning formula.There are some very knowledgable hockey people who have caught on to the status quo already.They came out blazing like you did 3 years ago,but not anymore man,now they are amiable to new ideas and a new approach.Professionals arent risking their reputatuions without peer driven support,explorers like I am arent brideled by that influence.

I make no apologies for defending the NHS or its evolution as unconventional as it has been over the last 3 years.I am aware that all the NHS data is hockey data people are to some degree familiiar with already,this by no means supports a finding that the NHS is NOT new and innovative,it just validates that the NHS is bang on in its focus and stays as true to tradition as possible,which seems to be barely at all in many areas.

I once met one of the two Geologists who found the huge Canadian diamond kimberlites up North right here in good olde Edmonton we share common recreation habits,after a few hours he explained his incredible story to me and gifted me the ability to find and claim Rubys and peripheral gemstones that are connected to these finds.The shortcut abilty,professional methods of making and maintaining claims and innovative ways of making tactical geographic decisions that go against the grain of tradition.This man is world famous and his approach is ELITE,goddam elite.I havent decided to follow his template but have monitored the state of affairs for over 15 years,the opportunity still exists.

I dont take action but i sure as hell know he is validated and have no issues following his lead if that is my decision.Literally billions of dollars are just laying out there waiting to be harvested,if you know how and where to find them using UNCONVENTIONAL MEANS.Remember the prior conventional actions were the equivilant of the heavy lifting,the sorting,just the leg work.Because I dont actively pursue his direction does not mean it is not valid and optimal.I didnt need him to Chopper me out there to believe him,he was validated by a constellation of peripheral circumstances and one of the largest modern day diamond discoverys.

He gifted me data because in conversation I outlined exactly what he and his partner had done in an anticipatory manner via a dynamic template I developed on the fly and he couldnt believe how close it was to what they actually did.He was impressed and actually told me to quit my job and pursue the money where it lays.

If money and glory are what you want then you should follow up on that.They arent exactly difficult things to attain if you are willing to commit to them 100%.Hell I can set you on the right path in a few minutes if you think you deserve the directions,but beware the sacrifices will be tremendous.

To be honest TSN doesnt really turn my crank,winning does.But if TSN helps get that done so be it.

I took the time to ask this very very rich and famous Diamond guru what made him the most satisfied about his journey and when his answer was that he was most happy that his and his partners unconventional perspective was JAMMED down the throats of their Peers in the professional realm I was mildly surprised.This hit home to me deeply.These men were passion driven first and fiscally driven second,they had something to prove to EVERYONE.They put their own self-valuation on their ideologys,and it payed of incredibly,because they took advantage of peer driven critique and parlayed it into an unheard of and fantastic contractual dynamic,that made them very very rich men far beyond the dreams of any of their peers.

The price of the NHS just keeps going up and up and up.My visualisation and passion is equal to or greater than that of my friend and his partner,my arena of choice is just different,but my self-valuation is well balanced and accurate.The more incredible the potential the more expensive the deal becomes.Illustrate and document the potential and money will find its way to you.Money doesnt have a choice under the right dynamic circumstances and people cannot be easily indoctrinated if the product holds no current recognised value,this is the challenge,to validate ideologies and attatch a tangible value to them.

In hockey this means winning results.In the past you had to be an NHL coach to manifest this dynamic,today with the internet you can execute side by side with the coach if you can keep up.Your results are VALIDATED in real time at exactly the same time as the NHL coaches results are validated.I have 3 years worth of outstanding and dominant NHS results documented online side by side with the coaches.It would take an epic TSN sized effort to put together 3 years worth of posts all over the net,but certainly doable for professionals.

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#28 NewAgeSys
June 05 2013, 08:10AM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

Who is more delusional: Lowe, Katz, or NAS?

That is NHS,NewAge Hockey System.

Make sure you keep your rose colored glasses handy so you dont miss the delusional Stanley Cups that will soon be parading through this great city.Thanks to the names you so thoughfully listed.

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#29 NewAgeSys
June 05 2013, 11:47AM
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Chrus wrote:

"FYI you little oxygen thief,the day before the beef that resulted in the ban, I was asked by someone from the Oilers in a Private Message to my account if i would break the NewAge Hockey System and its philosophys down into a format that could be given to a large group in a 40 minute meeting because there was to much to use the way it was."

LOL

NewAge, your rapidly dynamic concealment of true events is striking in both its propensity for hyperbole and its diction, ha ha ha

No concealment here pal,at least not from my side of the coin.

There are numerous traditional media documentations of what I state as well as many onlne documentations ,cut and paste isnt rocket science and I have used it for 3 years to secure my own harcopy of most of my posts no matter where they originated from.

You just dont have acess to them,and I am not providing them,the cruz being that I am not seeking validation from you.You are seeking it from me.

I will show an Oilers rep or another NHL teams rep this data and let them make an asessment of its value.Besides I am not motivated to revisit it to be honest,been there done that already.

FYI I can provide a cool video of NHS data being posted online,then being transposed onto the Oilers realtime managment and execution on the ice,with terrific results,a goal in less than 2 minutes exactly as ordered.The best part is that my posts are always easy to recognise,and my dynamic templates are always original and just as easy to identify,so when my NHS data is implemented I know immediatly and anyone who knows what to look for also knows immediatly,it isnt that difficult to see.

When a specific dynamic template is initiated and engaged it is easily identifiable,because it will immediatly show up in the games overall template.It will register as an anomoly and be easily identified even to the exact time of execution and the men doing the executing.i manifest dynamic CHANGE so it isnt like the means or the end is hidden at all.

The sweetest thing of all though is that the CAMERAMAN doing the game pulled into a closeup of the Oilers bench seconds after the data was posted and taped an assistant talking into Ralphs ear,seconds before Ralph addressed his players ,and less then 2 minutes before the Oilers scored a goal as a DIRECT RESULT of the NHS data posted by myself.So screw you and all detractors of the NHS.The goal was scored EXACTLY ACCORDING TO THE NHS TEMPLATE,it wasnt fluke,ha ha ha,and it wasnt coincidence either.There are many examples besides this anyways.

Were my tactics and posts not so original and easy to delineate from traditional or status quo norms there would be a possibility that I was just a lucky fan in the right places at the right times,but this is clearly not the case as the dynamic does not fit the facts.

Not to mention a 3 YEAR long documentation.We can see the initial impact of the NHS 3 years ago in the media and you can see the NHSs impact in the media today.I can give you personal proof,I can give you traditional media proof.,I can give you online cyber-documentation to a surgical degree,but you arent TSN and you arent holding a blank cheque in your hand are you?Or for that matter the Oilers with Hat and cheque in hand.

Just exactly what is your interpretation of the "true events"?

Because as we all very well know there can only be ONE TRUTH.This means one of us is a liar or there is some type of communication disconnect,I dont lie,you do the math.This is why I win at everything,I dont mis-represent,i REPRESENT.The winning formula is catalysed in your guts and it all starts with integrity and grows from there.

I stand by my truth.You are welcome to yours,possibly those perspectives will meet one day possibly not,no harm no foul.Till then I guess you will have to wait for either the TSN special or the Oilers announcement that they have hired an Intuit to assist the team.

I wouldnt hold your breath man.

This would be termed a BLOCKBUSTER story,my friend,this isnt small potatos.I dont see producers lining up to send representatives out to find the NHS,ha ha ha ha.

Were I the Oilers I would promote Moma2 and the NHS into an office somewhere with the non-disclosure Agreement stapled to the door and move forward.Anything less makes for a tremendous story.

Hey anyone want to make a bet on the next Hawks/Kings game?

Looks like Sutter has found his Happy Place again eh?Wonder where he found it?

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#30 NewAgeSys
June 04 2013, 02:23PM
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In my estimation Mark Messier and Wayne Gretzky both would identify the same catalyst to managing a Stanley Cup team that the NewAge Hockey System would identify,and that is on-ice dynamic managerial lattitude,and to generate that special dynamic you require special relationships based on unusually strong loyalty,trust,and fully group supported functional lattitude in the decision makeing process .

This system is Tailormade for Messier and his ability to communicate,in fact it still dynamiclly fits his perspective perfectly.

I believe Mark Messier is a rare type of individual like many of the men we have here are,I see him understanding the optimal application of an Associate coaching position with a guarantee to get the shot after Ralph is done his tenure,whenever that is,Mark knows that to earn respect you simply need to earn tangible things players can understand so what better way when he cant play to earn that level of respect than to earn it the real tangible way?

I believe Messier has confidence that he can earn his way into a leadership position instead of being given it,and i think that internally he would be a happier more complete man in that position having earned it in a way he himself respects.

If we hired Messier tomorrow I would guarantee a playoff spot next year and a Stanley cup within two more.

He is the conventionally born,and specificlly indoctrinated Intuit thanks to Wayne Gretzky that has learned how to teach other conventional thinkers the Intuitive way of understanding hockey at another elite level,communication-wise.This ability INSTANTLY fills the massive Intuitive void we are suffering,with the one of the only two influences equal to the NHS in their Intuitive Dynamic Analysis and Managment abilitys.

I would call this the move of the Century if we pull it off.I am sure the Hockey world would be stunned and on alert immediatly,building exactly the type of identity we are looking for.

Only Gretzky,Messier,or the NHS are going to pull the Oilers ship to the top of the league.They are all Intuitive perspective able to activate and initiate the systemic influence Kevin Lowe has held for so long in a defensive posture.And for gods sakes i could stop posting about the NHS because the Oilers will have filled the void on their own.

Go for it Mac-T,if you analyse the situation with an open mind,you might see how Messier is the perfect fit,and that the only thing better would be Wayne as Head coach and Mark as Associate Coach,then its the NHS after that as the next best fit.

Give me two goddam hours in a room with,Mark and Kevin,along with katz and an open line to Gretz and we will have a Dynasty catalysed in 120 minutes.Ralph does not need to be a casualty here.But if wayne and Mark would agree to become the best Tandem in the NHL again then all bets are off and we wipe the slate clean for them,and give them the keys to the kingdom.Just let that group understand how the NHS works and we are done talking and will start winning Stanley Cups.Wayne and Mark would take the NHS and weild it like Excaliber.

The NHS belongs to those two anyways,ha ha ha,they were such major influences in its creation,it is poetic justice to think of them using it together in Edmonton to re-kindle the Dynasty.

Mac-T,take a deep breath and exhale slowly,when you feel your shoulders start to droop a few millimeters gently pause the breath and squeeze the trigger with the same motion and pressure you use when you break those fresh hundred dollar bills apart with your right hand fingers on payday, and just let the shot go,we need you to drop this one in man.Helping Messier find God here in Edmonton with the roster we have would be considered a record NHL snipe by anyones standards.

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#31 Cody anderson
June 04 2013, 02:24PM
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I agree it would be a big risk hiring a head coach with no experience. I would love for the Oilers to have added him as an assistant with full intentions of moving him into the head coaching role after he got some seasoning.

Mark was a great leader and a fierce competitior and I would be shocked if he didn't become a great head coach after he got through the learing curve.

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#32 NewfoundlandOil
June 04 2013, 02:29PM
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I am sure that the history of coaching hires is full of stories like this, just like any hire in the real world.

A guy who is preferred gets offered the job. Turns it down then they go to the next guy in line, who then takes it.

No slight on the second (or third) candidate, just the way it works.

Perhaps the Oilers dodged a bullet by not getting Moose. I am sure they wanted a guy with more experience in the NHL than Krueger, but why would they then look to Messier?

Ultimately Krueger has more coaching experience and seems to have done an OK job.

No drama here, lets move on. Who will be the Associate now with some NHL experience to help Krueger?

At what point do they bring Todd Nelson in and give him a shot at the Associate/Assistant position.

Sometime growing these guys organically is the way to go.

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#33 Quicksilver ballet
June 04 2013, 02:40PM
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Hope his gig with the Rangers will go well. He'll have plenty of experience on staff when he names his 3 assistants.

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#34 NewAgeSys
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LinkfromHyrule wrote:

lol um did newagesys really just suggest wayne gretzky and mark messier as being the ultimate coaching tandem? You gotta lay off the pot man..

That post was even more non-sensical and full of gibberish than normal.

You have got to be kidding me man?

Sometimes i log on here and think I have found the Vancouver Medicinal Marijuana Compassion Club forum by accident everyone seems so stunned.

Of course they are a perfect tandem,for many many excellent and legitimate reasons.Both tangible and intangible.

If you are feeling like things are a little non-sensical and seem like Jibberish,put down your Stanley Cup shaped "medicinal"Bong man and sober up,ha ha ha ha.

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#35 NewAgeSys
June 04 2013, 02:58PM
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Smokey wrote:

If I was listening to you, I'd cover my ears...make it stop, make it stop....

Go stand about 100 yeards in front of Mac-T and when you see him holding his breath close your eyes and think about "dem Rabbits" and the Bad Man will finally stop.Ha ha ha ha ha.

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#36 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 04 2013, 03:09PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Even coaches now, are staying away for "family reasons".

Marks affiliation with Edmonton died as soon as he pulled on that Ranger jersey. He doesn't owe Edmonton anything. I often wonder if it was the appearance fee that brought him back to Edmonton, moreso than to have his number raised to the rafters.

I'm sure Mark probably polishes his Ranger ring a little more often than his other 5 rings. He's all New York now. Edmonton needs to let him go.

That's kinda like saying Wayne Gretzky is all LA now, or Ray Bourque is all Collorado...........True...Messier is a citizen of NYC.......but the legend is all Oil Town!

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#37 LinkfromHyrule
June 04 2013, 03:17PM
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@NewAgeSys

yeah you know, other than the fact that they both have a not so great record as coaches, one of them having almost no experience at all. Saying those two are a great tandem because they used to win a lot of hockey games is no different klowe and his cup rings. Great players do not always translate into great coaches, and that is very apparent here.

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#38 Jeffff
June 04 2013, 03:27PM
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Does not surprise me the old boys club. Kevin Lowe does know about winning

Just ask him.

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#39 ubermiguel
June 04 2013, 04:19PM
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Great players seem to make lousy coaches and executives. Gretzky and Espisito come to mind immediately.

Good coaches are often pluggers, sometime just minor-league pluggers at that, but they make it as coaches likely due to a combination of tenacity and intelligence. See: Arbour, Wilson, Bowman, Sather, Quinn, Quenneville.

Lemaire might be the only guy that was great at both.

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#40 Ryan14
June 04 2013, 04:23PM
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Can't blame him. Would he ever be able to leave his house without being swarmed?

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#41 WhattaMike
June 04 2013, 04:30PM
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Messier is one of the best HHOF legends there is, as is Wayne Gretzky, but lets make perfectly clear right now...against newagesys great support for those two... that they are not what Edmonton needs right now nor really wants...other than hard pushing motivator speakers.

If they are such two great coaches already then why hasn't the Rangers/Sather already signed them up, or the Canucks, or the Dallas Stars, etc, etc.

No one hears Nill having interviewed them or Gillis for that matter.

FIRST.....The Oil have to make sweeping changes with ridding themselves of Krueger Buckberger and Smith plus the goalie coach in order to ever gain a great creditential listed/winning record type coach who will pick his own squad.

Or....the new man to be on board (for the Oilers) is then made contract promises that he can move up to full head coach and pick his own squad within one to two more yrs.

Right now it would scare any normal headed future type coach that both Bucky and Smith are being given passes (too much)despite for their lack of progress and lack of team accomplishments.

They were very good Oiler soldiers as past...repeat....past players, but as coaches they havent done anything special to warrant still being here.

That being said, I believe it will come down to Paul Maurice being hired...with promises... or that Brent Sutter will be interviewed once more.

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#42 Smokey
June 04 2013, 04:42PM
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ubermiguel wrote:

Great players seem to make lousy coaches and executives. Gretzky and Espisito come to mind immediately.

Good coaches are often pluggers, sometime just minor-league pluggers at that, but they make it as coaches likely due to a combination of tenacity and intelligence. See: Arbour, Wilson, Bowman, Sather, Quinn, Quenneville.

Lemaire might be the only guy that was great at both.

Good players get breaks others don't I think, and because they haven't cut their teeth the look bad. Gretzky's time in Phoenix is starting to look better when you look at the team now and some of the players they got. I think people were too harsh on him. That team was starting to turn a corner, and some of their assets like Yandle, OEL were starting to come around.

Messier I think could have the fire and leadership to be a good coach, but he should start in the WHL or AHL and work himself up and build experience.

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#43 15w40
June 04 2013, 05:09PM
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Whatever to the word count and encouraging those with trilogies to start their own blog.....

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#44 Quicksilver ballet
June 04 2013, 05:28PM
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Does anyone still think Lowe isn't the problem?

Anyone?

If Katz had to, he'd name Lowe head of the party planning committee if he needed. He'll always have a paycheque coming from Katz.

He could be moved around, but Katz would never fire his, in to the old boys club. That would just be awkward to fire one of his party brethren.

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#45 Sanaa Montana
June 04 2013, 05:37PM
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Who said Krueger was the 2nd choice?

Who said he was behind Messier?

Who said Messier was the 1st choice?

Kevin Lowe didn't make comments/statements about it, nor did anyone else from the Oilers organization. It appears this is just useless gossip.

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#46 Wax Man Riley
June 04 2013, 05:38PM
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DSF wrote:

Does anyone still think Lowe isn't the problem?

Anyone?

The only pass Lowe gets is that in my mind (and I'm sure only in my mind) I imagine Lowe sitting back in his chair treating Tambellini like a 6 year old fixing the television:

You think it is cute and he has a lot of fun, but ultimately you know he will screw it up even more...which just means you get a new, fancy TV (Hall, Nuge, Yak).

I don't know this is the case, but it helps me live with myself when I put my son in his Oilers jammies.

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#47 Wax Man Riley
June 04 2013, 05:39PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Who said Krueger was the 2nd choice?

Who said he was behind Messier?

Who said Messier was the 1st choice?

Kevin Lowe didn't make comments/statements about it, nor did anyone else from the Oilers organization. It appears this is just useless gossip.

And How!

After 30, 30, 29, 24, keep it coming JW!

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#48 DSF
June 04 2013, 05:44PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Who said Krueger was the 2nd choice?

Who said he was behind Messier?

Who said Messier was the 1st choice?

Kevin Lowe didn't make comments/statements about it, nor did anyone else from the Oilers organization. It appears this is just useless gossip.

Elliott Friedman said...quoting reliable sources..

Lowe offered the job to Messier and he turned it down.

Then they hired another guy with no NHL experience.

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#49 Sanaa Montana
June 04 2013, 05:53PM
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DSF wrote:

Elliott Friedman said...quoting reliable sources..

Lowe offered the job to Messier and he turned it down.

Then they hired another guy with no NHL experience.

I didnt't read anything of such, and I didn't see him quote any reliable sources.

Got a link to it?

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#50 Quicksilver ballet
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DSF wrote:

Elliott Friedman said...quoting reliable sources..

Lowe offered the job to Messier and he turned it down.

Then they hired another guy with no NHL experience.

In an effort to remain politically correct. He did have some NHL experience, the year prior spent under Renney.

Oops, I meant worked with Renney, not under Renney. That just didn't come out right. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I sure botched the heck outta that one.

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