Report: Ralph Krueger the Oilers’ second choice, behind Mark Messier

Jonathan Willis
June 04 2013 01:48PM

CBC’s Elliotte Friedman made waves a few nights ago on Hockey Night in Canada when he reported that the Oilers had initially offered their head coaching job not to Ralph Krueger, but to former great Mark Messier. Today, he expanded on that report.

From Friedman’s 30 Thoughts column:

Last year, the Edmonton Oilers considered Messier, Brent Sutter, Todd Nelson and Ralph Krueger (who got the job) to replace head coach Tom Renney. There may have been more, but that's who I can pin down. At some point, Messier was offered it. Oilers president Kevin Lowe declined a request to comment, so exact details are sketchy. But Messier considered it, took a little bit of time and said "no" for family reasons.

Bullet Dodged?

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While the Oilers at times struggled under Ralph Krueger, who eventually got the job, it says here that the team still did well by Mark Messier’s decision not to come to Edmonton.

That isn’t a shot at Messier, who had a legendary playing career both in Edmonton and elsewhere, so much as it is a reflection of his lack of experience. He retired in 2004 and hasn’t worked as a coach in either the AHL or NHL over that span.

Instead, Messier has worked with the New York Rangers as a special assistant to Glen Sather. He’s had a series of brief stints with Hockey Canada. As head coach, he guided the national team to a second place finish at the 2010 Spengler Cup and a third place finish at the 2010 Deutschland Cup. The team he put together as general manager at the 2010 World Championships finished seventh. It’s a poor resume for either the top job in hockey operations or the number one role behind the bench of an NHL team.

It’s also hard not to look back at what happened in Phoenix after Wayne Gretzky stepped down as head coach. The Coyotes went out and hired Dave Tippett, a career coach who had 13 years behind the bench, starting as an IHL assistant coach, before taking the top job with the Coyotes. Phoenix improved by 28 points in his first year behind the bench.

Perhaps Messier would have been a coaching prodigy, able to hit the ground running at hockey’s highest level without spending any time learning the ropes as even an NHL assistant. Maybe that’s what he’ll do in New York. But it’s given the choice between a career coach who has paid his dues and put in his time (either in the majors or the minors or even junior, as new Colorado coach Patrick Roy did) and a guy walking in with his playing career as the number one point on his resume, it seems folly to offer the job to the latter.

Recently around the Nation Network

At Canucks Army, Thomas Drance grabs a point from the same Friedman column and runs with it - this regarding Dallas Eakins, the Toronto Marlies head coach who is a candidate for an associate job in Edmonton and the main job in Vancouver. From Dallas Eakins Will Do A Second Interview With Canucks Brass

With a number of other clubs hot on Eakins' tail, it's possible that the Canucks may need to ditch their usual cautious, gradualist approach to, well, everything really and secure the young coach who has impressed them.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 madjam
June 04 2013, 06:05PM
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What's this more nepotism talk ? We are all getting board waiting for MacT. to give us something more to talk about . So let me add my two cents . Has there been any better year for drafting than 1979 ? the year we took Lowe if first round (21st ) , Messier in third and G.Anderson in round 4 . Almost entire caste up to round 4 made Nhl that year and for many years after . Today that would equate to about 84 players . The World hockey league amalgation had a lot to do with it .

Our first pick K.Lowe was quite the pick as it turned out - his minor league figures were exceptional /impressive . 80 points in 60 games in last year of junior - not bad . Maybe he can help find us another like he was ?

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#52 Time Travelling Sean
June 04 2013, 06:09PM
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I like Moose, he is amazing, but he should have to pay his dues when it comes to coaching just like every other coach.

Coach overseas, coach WHL, coach AHL, coach our Men's Int. team.

He was a great player, and he worked at it, what has he done in regards for coaching?

At least Krueger was an assistant for 2? years and coached overseas for over a decade, I think.

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#53 justDOit
June 04 2013, 06:18PM
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David S wrote:

I'm not a huge fan of word limits on blog comments, but man oh man am I in favor of a 300 word limit here at the Nation. *Cough* NewAgeSys *Cough*

Maybe a -Props button to go along with the limit, and the ability to sort comments based on +/- Props. ?

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#54 FSD
June 04 2013, 06:28PM
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Kevin Lowe's ego is writing checks his body can't cash.

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#55 DSF
June 04 2013, 06:34PM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

please sir

get over it

As soon as he is no longer the Admiral of the Fleet the Doesn't Float ®, I'll get over it.

It's a bad team and he's in charge.

What else is there to know?

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#56 DSF
June 04 2013, 06:38PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

http://itwasonhnicintermissionsegment.com

Hope this helps Jasmine.

http://www.itwasalsopartofhis30thoughtswhichwaspublishedtoday.cbc.ca

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2013/06/30-thoughts-penguins-desperate-for-inspiration.html

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#57 WhattaMike
June 04 2013, 06:53PM
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I for one like Messier alltime fpor his player achievements and leadership, just as I do Gretzky, but I agree that Messier having almost virtually no coaching experience should make this issue nonexistent.

I like of three coaches who could come on board being as associate coaches with the Oil...Eakins, Sutter, Nelson.

Bowness was considered a good fourth but his quick signing with TB took him out.

Just dont bring Tortella here...lol.

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#58 NewAgeSys
June 04 2013, 07:15PM
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LinkfromHyrule wrote:

yeah you know, other than the fact that they both have a not so great record as coaches, one of them having almost no experience at all. Saying those two are a great tandem because they used to win a lot of hockey games is no different klowe and his cup rings. Great players do not always translate into great coaches, and that is very apparent here.

I was not saying they would be a perfect fit because they won a lot of games on the same team,I was saying that Gretzky is an Intuit and he taught Messier how to see the game the same way he does,this elevated Mark to Hall of Famer,this means messier has already experienced the learning curve you must take to become a champion and an elite hockey player and thinker like Wayne was and Mark himself was.

Now remember that we are presently faced with teaching a group of young men to play a historiclly sucessfull system,but we are failing epiclly because we cannot inject enough Intuition into our stats based perspective to find the balance we need to get the proper and timely messages through to the Players.In short we are suffering a disconnect between the systemic influence and the men understanding it and how they need to execute it.

Its been so dam bad I created the NewAge Hockey System to replace the Intuitive factor in todays team,but alas now many teams in the NHL can understand this part of the game better as well and apply the principals to their own systemic influences. The system itself was concieved originally by Gretzky himself and later modified by Mac-T into something you could really define as a system,Wayne was more of a dynamic manager than a systemic player.Mac-T found reasonable ways to replace Wayne and Marks individual dynamic managment abilitys with systemic intent,ONLY because he didnt have an Intuit like they were to plug into the hole.Kudos to mac-T for the resourcefullness.

Well Gretzky,messier,and the NHS or any combo of the three all make Mac-Ts adjustments null and void,they are no longer required and we can go back to the original recipie IF we have one of these three influences to initiate and engage the system via Intuitive dynamic managment.For that matter Mac-Ts interpretation can still work as well,its just the most complicated.

This is why we have sputtered since our run with mac-T.He was the hotwire for the system we needed ,he wasnt a key but he rigged it together.

Because they won so many games together,what the hell were you reading,and people wonder why i write so many words,they are like tiny little typecast helping hands most times if applied liberally but sometimes we all miss one here and there.MYbad.

Ive got 300 words and the word-police on my ass at every corner and we suffer a disconnect of this magnitude?Jesus.

Someone should MAKE you write 300 words.Ha ha ha.

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#59 NewAgeSys
June 04 2013, 07:21PM
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David S wrote:

I'm not a huge fan of word limits on blog comments, but man oh man am I in favor of a 300 word limit here at the Nation. *Cough* NewAgeSys *Cough*

Word-Nazi.

Yes yes yes you voted many time over already havent you?

The beat goes on.

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#60 Marcusbillius
June 04 2013, 08:09PM
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If Kevin Lowe is still searching for reasons why Oilers fans and media have nothing but contempt for him, this averted fiasco is a good example.

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#61 steelymac
June 04 2013, 08:29PM
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NewAge you get on TSN I will eat my hat and leave you alone.I hope they got booster seats.

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#62 stretch14
June 04 2013, 11:07PM
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A little late to the party Willis. Recycling last weeks news now?

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#63 MKE
June 05 2013, 02:28AM
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Even if this is true...I would take Ralph over Messier every day as a coach.

I think Ralph will surprise with a full year.

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#64 pelhem grenville
June 05 2013, 03:50AM
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DSF wrote:

As soon as he is no longer the Admiral of the Fleet the Doesn't Float ®, I'll get over it.

It's a bad team and he's in charge.

What else is there to know?

...what else to know? know this until Katz stops sniffing jock straps...Kevin IS his Admiral and Darryl plays with his KLOwe replica bobble head in his bath every night...ya I know it's creepy...

but that's lil D...:(

p.s. if you are going to register that thing best correct the 'the'...

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#65 Spurzey
June 05 2013, 07:32AM
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The Moose will be the next GM of the Rangers when Slats is fired/retired. Book it.

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#66 NewAgeSys
June 05 2013, 08:05AM
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steelymac wrote:

NewAge you get on TSN I will eat my hat and leave you alone.I hope they got booster seats.

Save the hat,and dont worry you dont need to bring your booster seat you can sit at the big table with the big people as long as you behave.

Dont leave me alone man,how else are we going to make any headway?

I wonder of TSN is the only media fix that will satisfy you,because if you are just into the big screen you can find and post NewAge Hockey System philosophys being communicated directly and exactly by NHL managment people of the highest levels.There is a possibility that it is a tactical decision on my part to force someone else to post that media data.I am in no hurry there is no expiry date on the winning formula.There are some very knowledgable hockey people who have caught on to the status quo already.They came out blazing like you did 3 years ago,but not anymore man,now they are amiable to new ideas and a new approach.Professionals arent risking their reputatuions without peer driven support,explorers like I am arent brideled by that influence.

I make no apologies for defending the NHS or its evolution as unconventional as it has been over the last 3 years.I am aware that all the NHS data is hockey data people are to some degree familiiar with already,this by no means supports a finding that the NHS is NOT new and innovative,it just validates that the NHS is bang on in its focus and stays as true to tradition as possible,which seems to be barely at all in many areas.

I once met one of the two Geologists who found the huge Canadian diamond kimberlites up North right here in good olde Edmonton we share common recreation habits,after a few hours he explained his incredible story to me and gifted me the ability to find and claim Rubys and peripheral gemstones that are connected to these finds.The shortcut abilty,professional methods of making and maintaining claims and innovative ways of making tactical geographic decisions that go against the grain of tradition.This man is world famous and his approach is ELITE,goddam elite.I havent decided to follow his template but have monitored the state of affairs for over 15 years,the opportunity still exists.

I dont take action but i sure as hell know he is validated and have no issues following his lead if that is my decision.Literally billions of dollars are just laying out there waiting to be harvested,if you know how and where to find them using UNCONVENTIONAL MEANS.Remember the prior conventional actions were the equivilant of the heavy lifting,the sorting,just the leg work.Because I dont actively pursue his direction does not mean it is not valid and optimal.I didnt need him to Chopper me out there to believe him,he was validated by a constellation of peripheral circumstances and one of the largest modern day diamond discoverys.

He gifted me data because in conversation I outlined exactly what he and his partner had done in an anticipatory manner via a dynamic template I developed on the fly and he couldnt believe how close it was to what they actually did.He was impressed and actually told me to quit my job and pursue the money where it lays.

If money and glory are what you want then you should follow up on that.They arent exactly difficult things to attain if you are willing to commit to them 100%.Hell I can set you on the right path in a few minutes if you think you deserve the directions,but beware the sacrifices will be tremendous.

To be honest TSN doesnt really turn my crank,winning does.But if TSN helps get that done so be it.

I took the time to ask this very very rich and famous Diamond guru what made him the most satisfied about his journey and when his answer was that he was most happy that his and his partners unconventional perspective was JAMMED down the throats of their Peers in the professional realm I was mildly surprised.This hit home to me deeply.These men were passion driven first and fiscally driven second,they had something to prove to EVERYONE.They put their own self-valuation on their ideologys,and it payed of incredibly,because they took advantage of peer driven critique and parlayed it into an unheard of and fantastic contractual dynamic,that made them very very rich men far beyond the dreams of any of their peers.

The price of the NHS just keeps going up and up and up.My visualisation and passion is equal to or greater than that of my friend and his partner,my arena of choice is just different,but my self-valuation is well balanced and accurate.The more incredible the potential the more expensive the deal becomes.Illustrate and document the potential and money will find its way to you.Money doesnt have a choice under the right dynamic circumstances and people cannot be easily indoctrinated if the product holds no current recognised value,this is the challenge,to validate ideologies and attatch a tangible value to them.

In hockey this means winning results.In the past you had to be an NHL coach to manifest this dynamic,today with the internet you can execute side by side with the coach if you can keep up.Your results are VALIDATED in real time at exactly the same time as the NHL coaches results are validated.I have 3 years worth of outstanding and dominant NHS results documented online side by side with the coaches.It would take an epic TSN sized effort to put together 3 years worth of posts all over the net,but certainly doable for professionals.

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#67 NewAgeSys
June 05 2013, 08:10AM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

Who is more delusional: Lowe, Katz, or NAS?

That is NHS,NewAge Hockey System.

Make sure you keep your rose colored glasses handy so you dont miss the delusional Stanley Cups that will soon be parading through this great city.Thanks to the names you so thoughfully listed.

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#68 Bank Shot
June 05 2013, 08:53AM
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This org. is ****ed.

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#69 NewAgeSys
June 05 2013, 11:47AM
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Chrus wrote:

"FYI you little oxygen thief,the day before the beef that resulted in the ban, I was asked by someone from the Oilers in a Private Message to my account if i would break the NewAge Hockey System and its philosophys down into a format that could be given to a large group in a 40 minute meeting because there was to much to use the way it was."

LOL

NewAge, your rapidly dynamic concealment of true events is striking in both its propensity for hyperbole and its diction, ha ha ha

No concealment here pal,at least not from my side of the coin.

There are numerous traditional media documentations of what I state as well as many onlne documentations ,cut and paste isnt rocket science and I have used it for 3 years to secure my own harcopy of most of my posts no matter where they originated from.

You just dont have acess to them,and I am not providing them,the cruz being that I am not seeking validation from you.You are seeking it from me.

I will show an Oilers rep or another NHL teams rep this data and let them make an asessment of its value.Besides I am not motivated to revisit it to be honest,been there done that already.

FYI I can provide a cool video of NHS data being posted online,then being transposed onto the Oilers realtime managment and execution on the ice,with terrific results,a goal in less than 2 minutes exactly as ordered.The best part is that my posts are always easy to recognise,and my dynamic templates are always original and just as easy to identify,so when my NHS data is implemented I know immediatly and anyone who knows what to look for also knows immediatly,it isnt that difficult to see.

When a specific dynamic template is initiated and engaged it is easily identifiable,because it will immediatly show up in the games overall template.It will register as an anomoly and be easily identified even to the exact time of execution and the men doing the executing.i manifest dynamic CHANGE so it isnt like the means or the end is hidden at all.

The sweetest thing of all though is that the CAMERAMAN doing the game pulled into a closeup of the Oilers bench seconds after the data was posted and taped an assistant talking into Ralphs ear,seconds before Ralph addressed his players ,and less then 2 minutes before the Oilers scored a goal as a DIRECT RESULT of the NHS data posted by myself.So screw you and all detractors of the NHS.The goal was scored EXACTLY ACCORDING TO THE NHS TEMPLATE,it wasnt fluke,ha ha ha,and it wasnt coincidence either.There are many examples besides this anyways.

Were my tactics and posts not so original and easy to delineate from traditional or status quo norms there would be a possibility that I was just a lucky fan in the right places at the right times,but this is clearly not the case as the dynamic does not fit the facts.

Not to mention a 3 YEAR long documentation.We can see the initial impact of the NHS 3 years ago in the media and you can see the NHSs impact in the media today.I can give you personal proof,I can give you traditional media proof.,I can give you online cyber-documentation to a surgical degree,but you arent TSN and you arent holding a blank cheque in your hand are you?Or for that matter the Oilers with Hat and cheque in hand.

Just exactly what is your interpretation of the "true events"?

Because as we all very well know there can only be ONE TRUTH.This means one of us is a liar or there is some type of communication disconnect,I dont lie,you do the math.This is why I win at everything,I dont mis-represent,i REPRESENT.The winning formula is catalysed in your guts and it all starts with integrity and grows from there.

I stand by my truth.You are welcome to yours,possibly those perspectives will meet one day possibly not,no harm no foul.Till then I guess you will have to wait for either the TSN special or the Oilers announcement that they have hired an Intuit to assist the team.

I wouldnt hold your breath man.

This would be termed a BLOCKBUSTER story,my friend,this isnt small potatos.I dont see producers lining up to send representatives out to find the NHS,ha ha ha ha.

Were I the Oilers I would promote Moma2 and the NHS into an office somewhere with the non-disclosure Agreement stapled to the door and move forward.Anything less makes for a tremendous story.

Hey anyone want to make a bet on the next Hawks/Kings game?

Looks like Sutter has found his Happy Place again eh?Wonder where he found it?

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#70 Lego
June 05 2013, 12:08PM
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DSF wrote:

Elliott Friedman said...quoting reliable sources..

Lowe offered the job to Messier and he turned it down.

Then they hired another guy with no NHL experience.

Wait a minute wasn't Tambellini the GM when this went down? What's Lowe got to do with it?

;-)

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#71 RMGS
June 05 2013, 01:43PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Absolutely embarrassing. I want the Oilers to hire Tambellini just so they could fire him again.

Lowe too.

How could they offer someone with ZERO experience as a coach the Head Coaching job?

These guys are running the team like its their secret clubhouse. NO GURLS ALOUD

This is the same team that gave the GM job to someone with zero experience in that position, apparently even though other experienced, qualified, and successful GMs may have been available.

So this news should come as no surprise.

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