LAST ONE OUT, TURN OFF THE LIGHTS

Robin Brownlee
June 06 2013 11:02PM

If GM Craig MacTavish makes good on the suggestion he's looking to move Shawn Horcoff and Ales Hemsky, Ryan Smyth, assuming he's still around when next season begins, will be the lone player remaining from the playoff run that took the Edmonton Oilers to Game 7 of the 2006 Stanley Cup final.

Seven seasons – without a single playoff game to show for them -- after the MacTavish-coached Oilers snuck into eighth place in the Western Conference and knocked off Detroit, San Jose and Anaheim on the way to a showdown with Carolina, every player from that team is gone, except Smyth, Hemsky and Horcoff, with the latter two officially having one foot out the door.

If that doesn’t drive home the transitory nature of today's NHL, at least for a team that has struggled mightily as the Oilers have to rebuild and return to contention, then nothing does. And, as we already know, Smyth also headed for city limits during that span before returning for a second tour of duty.

Flying home from Raleigh in June of 2006 after Game 7 seems like the blink of an eye for an old scribe like me. Looking ahead, it makes me wonder, as I pondered a while back, how many players who were on the roster last season will even be around by the time the new downtown arena complex opens.

Time flies.

I'LL SAY THIS ABOUT THAT

. . . There's not a chance, none, MacTavish opened up about moving Hemsky and Horcoff on the Mark Spector Show today without having already run the scenario past the players and their agents and I'd be willing to bet he's had, at the very least, preliminary talks with other teams about both of them.

MacTavish would be a fool to paint himself into a corner by saying anything on a radio show he hadn’t already expressed to the parties involved and other GMs around the league, and MacT is no fool. I'm not saying he's got a deal in his hip pocket for either of them right now – I'm certainly not inside enough anymore to know of one – but I can’t see this dragging on into training camp.

. . . As for what the destinations for Hemsky and Horcoff might be, and what the Oilers can reasonably expect in return, I'll leave the crystal ball stuff and the deals that see MacTavish hose another gullible GM – the rights to Omark and Horcoff for insert-name-of-second-line-centre -- to those so inclined. I'd resist the urge, however, to expect a windfall return for either of them.

. . . Maybe I missed it if somebody else mentioned it, but I hadn’t heard anything about Horcoff selling his house until Jason Gregor told me about it today. Given the dough Horcoff put into that joint, a For Sale sign should have been a big tip-off MacTavish's revelation has been in the works awhile.

AND . . .

. . . So, with Horcoff on the way out, who will Oiler fans anoint as the next whipping boy on the team? History shows you must have one, so who will it be? Sam Gagner seems like the favorite to me because he'll get a fat raise and a long-term deal from MacTavish.

Way too many people whine about what Gagner isn't, instead of appreciating what he brings to the table as it is. Wait until Sam gets that big stack.

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#51 Spydyr
June 07 2013, 10:20AM
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WhattaMike wrote:

To those in despair about the Oilers not having players to replace Hemsky, Horcoff, Gagner...They are replaceable!!!!

Hemsky can easily be traded in a deal to get one to two picks in the draft. In a package with say....Omark...the Oilers can probably get a decent high 2nd rounder to maybe a very late 1st rounder, especially if there is another prospect added or there are some more draft picks being swapped too.

I can see a pick going to the Oil....from say 28th overall to 50th overall in this type deal scenario...for example.

Horcoff is interestingly in a funk with that contract issue but he can be of a deal to swap a gritty rough decent winger (3rd to 4th line positioning).

A deal for Gagner does depend on the new contract to being still a RFA with no deal in place if a trade came up. But he can be the best deal maker because he is only 23 yrs old.

There are going to be deals made people...from the draft with picks to getting UFA's to trades.

For example, I can see Hemsky + Omark both going to the NYI for Hamonic or then maybe...Strome (would likely need another added pick to get this deal)

Fro example, Horcoff can get over to Columbus in a deal package to get ...say Nikitin...but I really think he actually goes to the Rangers as they needed better than Richards gave in the playoffs. But the Oil will have to take back a big contract there.

Also for example, Gagner is likely to be of a deal for a centre coming back too. But I believe the Oilers will work him in as a new 3rd line centre because they will be going hard for a bigger two way 2nd line one.

With hemsky, Horcoff, gagner, the Oil have prospects to add like Gernat, Musil, Davidson, Fedun, Rajala, and even...Hartikainen too.

Then we have not evenstarted yet with the buyout and UFA players...so don't despair yet people.

You lost me at "Omark...the Oilers can probably get a decent high 2nd rounder to maybe a very late 1st rounder"

If they get a 4th they are lucky.

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#52 Reg Dunlop
June 07 2013, 10:51AM
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@WhattaMike

I admire your faith but Horc for a decent, rough 3rd/4th liner? Why would anyone give up one of those for a soft, aging, useless 3rd/4th liner who is dramatically overpaid?

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#53 WhattaMike
June 07 2013, 10:57AM
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To Spydyr...

I was just saying as for example that Hemsky plus Omark (or even Rajala, Lander, Musil, Gernat, Fedun, or Hartikainen, etc)...and add their 37th pick...could help get the Oilers a good late 1st rounder to...without the 37th....a decent later 2nd rounder.

Omark did excellent in the Elite swiss league and he can be an offensive player...same as with Rajala this yr in his first AHL season. In fact, Fedun played outstanding the 2nd half of the season too.

Another example too....the Oilers can also even just use a type deal package with including their projectible 1st rounder for 2014 to get into another 1st round pick this yr. It depends I guess how the draft is for next yr coming up too.

Horcoff will be in the same type packages I think, without a buyout.

Alone, Hemsky or Horcoff won't command a high pick...unless MacT can somehow swindle another GM.

Gagner is the best bait right now at 23 yrs old...and probably Nick Schultz too can be an added trade piece.

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#54 Ever the Optimist
June 07 2013, 11:02AM
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vetinari wrote:

Can't we all just get along and continue to hate Pronger, as The Hockey Gods intended?

Hate Pronger all you like he was still the best Oiler player for the last decade and pretty much singlehandedly carried the team to the scf's ..... he also had help from Rollie but that is besides the point. All things considered if we could get a healthy 30 something defender in his calibur then please please please (my wife wont tell on him)

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#55 WhattaMike
June 07 2013, 11:05AM
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To Reg Dunlop...

IMO, I think Horcoff is better suited to be packaged for a defenceman myself. I think he could be put into a good deal with Columbus for Nikitin as example with say...Rajala or even Fedun or Gernat.

The Oilers could eat $1 mil a yr to sweeten the pot the next two yrs too.

I would love to see Talbot come here in atrade for the next 3rd line centre but then also, Buffalo could deal Ott back here to the Oilers as well in a package deal maybe.

Gernat is too much like Marancin who has been excellent most of the full first AHL season he had. Gernat becomes expendable when I see J. Schultz, Klefbom, Smid, Petry, Belov, plus probably an added UFA such as of Alzner. The marancin is coming soon too by say 2014-15.

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#56 Spydyr
June 07 2013, 11:08AM
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WhattaMike wrote:

To Spydyr...

I was just saying as for example that Hemsky plus Omark (or even Rajala, Lander, Musil, Gernat, Fedun, or Hartikainen, etc)...and add their 37th pick...could help get the Oilers a good late 1st rounder to...without the 37th....a decent later 2nd rounder.

Omark did excellent in the Elite swiss league and he can be an offensive player...same as with Rajala this yr in his first AHL season. In fact, Fedun played outstanding the 2nd half of the season too.

Another example too....the Oilers can also even just use a type deal package with including their projectible 1st rounder for 2014 to get into another 1st round pick this yr. It depends I guess how the draft is for next yr coming up too.

Horcoff will be in the same type packages I think, without a buyout.

Alone, Hemsky or Horcoff won't command a high pick...unless MacT can somehow swindle another GM.

Gagner is the best bait right now at 23 yrs old...and probably Nick Schultz too can be an added trade piece.

If you trade Hemsky you need to get a NHL player back,unless you can move up into the top 4 and Hemsky won't do that for you.The days of trading NHL players for draft picks is over.

Myself I would not trade , Musil, Gernat, Fedun, or Hartikainen,not at this point unless the deal is very, very good. It is too early in their careers.

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#57 Smokey
June 07 2013, 11:10AM
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SrCain wrote:

You try to pass yourself off as an intelligent individual, who has pro sports teams knocking down your door for systemic advice. If you would like people to take you seriously I recommend using proper punctuation in your blogs/comments. I know it's nit picking, however to clarify, it's two spaces after a period, and one after a comma. This way your blog/comments are easier to read for those so inclined.

I thinks he is here for poops and giggles to get a responce. There are times he writes semi-coherantly, and then times in when he's going all commando with his sheer bastardization of the english language. I find his thesis' are sometimes like roadkill, you can't advert your eyes and other times I scroll over.

I think hes purposely doing it I think. Its like trolling in a strange linguistic sorta way.

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#58 wiseguy
June 07 2013, 11:14AM
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Al77 wrote:

So since Horcoff,belanger,and smithson wont or shouldn't be back fhen you trade sam who the hell plays centre after nuge? lander 2nd vandevelde 3rd and 30th place, 1st overall here we come again, it just wasn't the same finishing 23rd for a season so lets get back to our normal league spot!

But the new plan is to get Connor McDavid by jetissoning any reasonable NHL players and playing the AHL ones. We did this very successfully just a few years back. We all remember how that started us off on the road to total domination! If it worked once(haters are going tosay it didn't work...), why not try again? We need to acquire assets to build a team that's not just going to make the playoffs once in a while (playoffs just cut into our short summer anyway), but will be a PERENNIAL CONTENDER for the Cup.

*the above reasoning was gained from my Vulcan mind-meld with MacLowe - don't shoot the messenger

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#59 vetinari
June 07 2013, 11:15AM
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Ever the Optimist wrote:

Hate Pronger all you like he was still the best Oiler player for the last decade and pretty much singlehandedly carried the team to the scf's ..... he also had help from Rollie but that is besides the point. All things considered if we could get a healthy 30 something defender in his calibur then please please please (my wife wont tell on him)

@Ever - lol-- I can't argue with the Human Rake's skills as a defender/wall/guillotine but he did unite OilerNation in focused and undiluted hatred when he made his trade request shortly after the SCF game 7 loss and after only one year in Oiler colors. I remember that that event almost single-handedly wiped the glow of the SCF playoff appearance from everyone's collective minds.

I would love it if a player of Pronger's caliber showed up on our blue line (Chara may the closest to his skill set at present?) but that ain't happening again for the foreseeable future...

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#60 WhattaMike
June 07 2013, 11:27AM
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To Sydyr....

I agree that the Oil keep all strong assets/prospects... unless a very great deal is made for a very good established player coming back.

I would like the Oil to use my type example deals to better themselves...starting at the draft...in order to also or either deal with a second trade package after any prospective type Hemsky/Horcoff deals are first done.

One possible example, I would like to see either of Hamonic or Strome and the NYI 2013 3rd rounder (76) come here in a deal for say...Hemsky, Omark (or Rajala or Fedun, Musil etc)and the 37th pick.

Then deal gagner in a package too for another type forward or a replacing 2nd rounder so as to go get a goalie prospect.

Or...the Oilers trade with Columbus for Nikitin and the 44th pick by giving them Hemsky or Horcoff($1 mil a yr - Oiler paid) with Omark (or Gernat or Rajala or Fedun, etc) and the 37th pick.

By the way, does Edmonton still have a 3rd rounder this yr's draft.... despite the Toronto deal with Mike Brown (3rd rounder only if Oil made playoffs/2014 - 4th round if not)???

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#61 Walter Sobchak
June 07 2013, 11:32AM
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John Chambers wrote:

So that someone can take on $10.5M in salary for two thirds of a bad 3rd line?

I think we could expect Bryzgalov or Dipietro as a return for our enticing package.

Hey John.

Why don't you re-read the statement before you go off half cocked!

I said as a package individual, with other players not together.

Plus I'm sure there will be buy back of salary.

You knew exactly what I meant but felt being factious was the better way to go. Good for you.

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#62 WhattaMike
June 07 2013, 11:33AM
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To wiseguy....

I would love to get a kid like Connor McDavid but this rebuild has to end and now the results got to get going.

The only way to get that kid in 2015 will be to trade on of Hall, RNH, Ebs, Yak, J. Scultz..in a deal package.

These kids that the Oil have now...together alone without other players on the team will total about close to 30 million a yr by two more yrs. The league cap then should be at about 68 to 70 million for the yr by then.

40 million for the 18 other teammates/players wont be too bad but wont be too great either.

I want the Oil in the playoffs this next season. No maybe's no trying anymore and no rebuild. It's time to take on this league with a complete team from line 1 to line 4 and six very good defenceman and two very good goalies.

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#63 bazmagoo
June 07 2013, 11:44AM
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Horcoff for Scottie Upshall from Florida makes pretty good sense to me. Exact same dollar amount left on their contracts, both guys could use a fresh start. Horcoff comes with a higher cap hit, maybe that is appealing to Florida?

Haven't been able to think of anything for Hemmer yet.

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#64 Spydyr
June 07 2013, 11:53AM
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WhattaMike wrote:

To Sydyr....

I agree that the Oil keep all strong assets/prospects... unless a very great deal is made for a very good established player coming back.

I would like the Oil to use my type example deals to better themselves...starting at the draft...in order to also or either deal with a second trade package after any prospective type Hemsky/Horcoff deals are first done.

One possible example, I would like to see either of Hamonic or Strome and the NYI 2013 3rd rounder (76) come here in a deal for say...Hemsky, Omark (or Rajala or Fedun, Musil etc)and the 37th pick.

Then deal gagner in a package too for another type forward or a replacing 2nd rounder so as to go get a goalie prospect.

Or...the Oilers trade with Columbus for Nikitin and the 44th pick by giving them Hemsky or Horcoff($1 mil a yr - Oiler paid) with Omark (or Gernat or Rajala or Fedun, etc) and the 37th pick.

By the way, does Edmonton still have a 3rd rounder this yr's draft.... despite the Toronto deal with Mike Brown (3rd rounder only if Oil made playoffs/2014 - 4th round if not)???

I'm not big on spit balling trades.

IMO what should be done is :

Every player except for the kids younger than 23 are up for grabs.

Get a second line center that can play in all three zones.If possible keep Gagner but on the wing.

Total revamp of the bottom six bring in more size and heart with some finish.Players as Mac-T says are expected to do more then not get scored on.The top two lines with the talent on the team should provide the bulk of the scoring.

Get a goalie that is young and hungry with the ability to push for the number one job.If you have to trade Dubbie for a better goal option so be it.

The defense is in a mess now but there are lots of bright lights coming up in the next few years.If half of them pan out things should be OK.For now the team needs two top four defensmen.If possible get the stud defensmen the team needs.Personally I don't think it is possible without costing one of the kids.That is not a good thing. So older players that can fill the gap for a few years might be the only option.

New attitude in the dressing room with Hall as the captain.That means no Smyth or any other the old guard players.

Start building a winning attitude now.Losing is no longer expected nor is it acceptable.

OK now I'm feeling like NHS so it is time to stop.

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#65 WhattaMike
June 07 2013, 11:59AM
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I just read a blog (R. Pilgam at Copper n Blue) of which that he proposes Hemsky, Marancin and Lander also the 2014 first rounder for Keith Yandle and Henrik Samuelsson.

I would do this deal as GM only but that I would offer Gernat instead of Marancin and seek out a 2013 - 3rd pick (62 or 73)as well.

Then with the Hemsky issue he proposes Hemsky, Musil, the Oil's owned Anaheim 2013 - 2nd rounder, and also...the 2014 Oilers' 2nd rounder for Tyutin and Jenner.

I really like the second proposal better myself.

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#66 wiseguy
June 07 2013, 12:07PM
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WhattaMike wrote:

To wiseguy....

I would love to get a kid like Connor McDavid but this rebuild has to end and now the results got to get going.

The only way to get that kid in 2015 will be to trade on of Hall, RNH, Ebs, Yak, J. Scultz..in a deal package.

These kids that the Oil have now...together alone without other players on the team will total about close to 30 million a yr by two more yrs. The league cap then should be at about 68 to 70 million for the yr by then.

40 million for the 18 other teammates/players wont be too bad but wont be too great either.

I want the Oil in the playoffs this next season. No maybe's no trying anymore and no rebuild. It's time to take on this league with a complete team from line 1 to line 4 and six very good defenceman and two very good goalies.

I actually completely agree with you. It was a facetious post. Obviously the first attempt at tanking to get assets didn't work out as planned as the GM was just fired and we are no closer to a cup than we were 4 years ago.

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#67 Spydyr
June 07 2013, 12:12PM
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WhattaMike wrote:

I just read a blog (R. Pilgam at Copper n Blue) of which that he proposes Hemsky, Marancin and Lander also the 2014 first rounder for Keith Yandle and Henrik Samuelsson.

I would do this deal as GM only but that I would offer Gernat instead of Marancin and seek out a 2013 - 3rd pick (62 or 73)as well.

Then with the Hemsky issue he proposes Hemsky, Musil, the Oil's owned Anaheim 2013 - 2nd rounder, and also...the 2014 Oilers' 2nd rounder for Tyutin and Jenner.

I really like the second proposal better myself.

The 2014 first rounder added in sounds like an over pay to me.I'm not big on trading assets that you have no idea what they will be.The first rounder could be another lotto pick.Let's hope not but you never know.

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#68 OilersBrass
June 07 2013, 12:15PM
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Nikolay Zherdevs contract will more than likely be terminated in the KHL, he would make a good second or third line guy.

If Hemsky was to be traded i'd trade him for picks and try to sign Zherdev to a one year contract. Flame me all you want for saying it but Zherdev is better than anyone in the bottom six.

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#69 Smokey
June 07 2013, 12:15PM
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WhattaMike wrote:

To Reg Dunlop...

IMO, I think Horcoff is better suited to be packaged for a defenceman myself. I think he could be put into a good deal with Columbus for Nikitin as example with say...Rajala or even Fedun or Gernat.

The Oilers could eat $1 mil a yr to sweeten the pot the next two yrs too.

I would love to see Talbot come here in atrade for the next 3rd line centre but then also, Buffalo could deal Ott back here to the Oilers as well in a package deal maybe.

Gernat is too much like Marancin who has been excellent most of the full first AHL season he had. Gernat becomes expendable when I see J. Schultz, Klefbom, Smid, Petry, Belov, plus probably an added UFA such as of Alzner. The marancin is coming soon too by say 2014-15.

Did you watch alot of Prince George and Oil Kings games to make the assessment the Gernat is like Marincin?

I think like Marincin and Gernat become expendible when we either bring back a big name or have let them develop enough to make an assessment. Gernat has had two impressive.seasons in Edmonton and people on this forum are throwing into deals to move up 3 spots in a draft. I'm perplexed by this.

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#70 Quicksilver ballet
June 07 2013, 12:22PM
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Couturier and Hartnell to the Oilers, in exchange for the 7th and the 56th in this years draft.

See Brad Richards getting another chance in Philly.

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#71 steve1982
June 07 2013, 12:52PM
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I want the Oilers to go out and get Bickel and Horton this offseason. Throw a 3 year 3.5 mil at Bickel, 4 year 22.5 at Horton, offer Gagner, N. Schultz and 7th overall for Couturier, Hartnell and Coburn. Buyout Horcoff and trade Hemsky for Dubinsky. Sign the Russian backup from Boston, Scuderi and Lapierre, roll with these lines....

Hall RNH Yakupov Horton Couturier Eberle Bickel Dubinsky Hartnell Smyth Lapierre Paajarvi

Coburn Schultz Smid Petry Belov Scuderi

Dubnyk Khubodin

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#72 RDS
June 07 2013, 01:04PM
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Watching the Bruins/Penguins go into double overtime the other night in a 1-1 game I asked myself "Could Dubnyk play 80+ minutes straight without letting in a soft goal?". My answer was "probably not". Even though his league save % may be above league average, to win in the playoffs you need the consistency. I used to be a Dubnyk fan, using the save % argument, but the game the other night was a bit of an epiphany for me.

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#73 Robin Brownlee
June 07 2013, 01:10PM
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steve1982 wrote:

I want the Oilers to go out and get Bickel and Horton this offseason. Throw a 3 year 3.5 mil at Bickel, 4 year 22.5 at Horton, offer Gagner, N. Schultz and 7th overall for Couturier, Hartnell and Coburn. Buyout Horcoff and trade Hemsky for Dubinsky. Sign the Russian backup from Boston, Scuderi and Lapierre, roll with these lines....

Hall RNH Yakupov Horton Couturier Eberle Bickel Dubinsky Hartnell Smyth Lapierre Paajarvi

Coburn Schultz Smid Petry Belov Scuderi

Dubnyk Khubodin

This weed you have, it's expensive, no?

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#74 OilersBrass
June 07 2013, 01:16PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

This weed you have, it's expensive, no?

LMFAO!!!!!! Funny the writers even think these signings, and trade requests are getting out of hand

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#75 Truth
June 07 2013, 01:47PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

This weed you have, it's expensive, no?

I'll gladly pitch for more if you can get Horton's agent, Bickel's agent, and Holmgren in the same room for a few hours with an arranged phone call from MacT and his legal team.

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#76 vetinari
June 07 2013, 01:55PM
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We seem to have too many armchair GM's who think that if a trade works in an EA Sports video game, it should work in real life, no?

I love the Eastside Hockey Manager video game/simulator and was able to move Hemsky for Ben Bishop, a second round pick, a fourth round pick and a couple of AHL prospects (one defenceman and one centre) but guess what, that ain't gonna happen in real life!!!

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#77 OilersBrass
June 07 2013, 02:01PM
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vetinari wrote:

We seem to have too many armchair GM's who think that if a trade works in an EA Sports video game, it should work in real life, no?

I love the Eastside Hockey Manager video game/simulator and was able to move Hemsky for Ben Bishop, a second round pick, a fourth round pick and a couple of AHL prospects (one defenceman and one centre) but guess what, that ain't gonna happen in real life!!!

Hahaha, that's so true. These comments are cracking me up today.

I'm glad someone is finally saying something about all of this stuff though.

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#78 TigerUnderGlass
June 07 2013, 02:31PM
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Jackson wrote:

I don't have a problem with Sam Gagner per se, but to compete for a cup you need a two way rugged center in your top 2 centers. Since RNH is #1 there is no room for Gagner unless he can fit on the wing.

Which set of centers do you think was the most rugged - Datsyuk/Zetterberg or Krejci/Bergeron?

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#79 Al77
June 07 2013, 02:46PM
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@WhattaMike

Your fooling yourself if you think with the cap going down a notoriously cash strapped team like Islanders would make a deal like that,and thats just the cash side player side why would they make that trade would you if you were running NYI? Hemsky value is not even close to what some of you believe it is 30yrs always injured,points per game plumiting downward,not exactly a hard worker in practice,and Omark at best gets you a 4th round pick

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#80 bdiddy18
June 07 2013, 03:03PM
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Whipping Boy Nominations, Step forward please:

Devan Dubnyk Sam Gagner Magnus Pajaarvi Jeff Petry

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#81 madjam
June 07 2013, 03:06PM
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Steve 1982 : You want size and toughness like Coburn , then just draft Nurse . Same projection for his development as Coburn's, but like Coburn ofensively challenged and weak shot. Good tough stay at home defenceman , however .

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#82 madjam
June 07 2013, 03:20PM
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OFF TOPIC > NEW PROPOSAL FOR THE NHL ; Add 1-2 additional exhibition games to be played in communities outside their city . Example : Oilers play 1 or 2 exhibition games in Ft.McMurray /Red Deer / Grande Prairie/Lloydminster , etc.. Good or bad idea ?

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#83 NewAgeSys
June 07 2013, 06:18PM
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madjam wrote:

OFF TOPIC > NEW PROPOSAL FOR THE NHL ; Add 1-2 additional exhibition games to be played in communities outside their city . Example : Oilers play 1 or 2 exhibition games in Ft.McMurray /Red Deer / Grande Prairie/Lloydminster , etc.. Good or bad idea ?

@Madjam.

Well Played.... send the entire Oilers Roster down the Highway of Death a few times just so we can see if we have really shaken the bad luck or not yet? Why not just load em up on one of those Russian Cadillac Aeroplanes they use over there and take them for a spin to Moscow and home a few times instead?Sounds like about the same risk valuation to me,ha ha ha.

Ha ha ah Ha.

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#84 Harlie
June 07 2013, 06:20PM
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Al77 wrote:

So since Horcoff,belanger,and smithson wont or shouldn't be back fhen you trade sam who the hell plays centre after nuge? lander 2nd vandevelde 3rd and 30th place, 1st overall here we come again, it just wasn't the same finishing 23rd for a season so lets get back to our normal league spot!

I'm sure there are a few bigger second line centres kicking around the league that can be traded for. I like Sam and what he can and does do, but it is my belief that his size would be detriment over the course of the playoffs playing against bigger teams and players. Sam Gagner ain't Pat Kane in scoring so why not move him? Plus he sucks in the dot.

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Al77 wrote:

So since Horcoff,belanger,and smithson wont or shouldn't be back fhen you trade sam who the hell plays centre after nuge? lander 2nd vandevelde 3rd and 30th place, 1st overall here we come again, it just wasn't the same finishing 23rd for a season so lets get back to our normal league spot!

I'm sure there are a few bigger second line centres kicking around the league that can be traded for. I like Sam and what he can and does do, but it is my belief that his size would be detriment over the course of the playoffs playing against bigger teams and players. Sam Gagner ain't Pat Kane in scoring so why not move him? Plus he sucks in the dot.

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#86 michael
June 07 2013, 06:48PM
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Horcoff will be bought out imo. Thanks for the memories Horc and here is 5 million for your trouble. Hemsky in a package deal at the draft for a middle round pick that see's the Oilers draft Horvat or Lazar. Take Nicky if he is there or Nurse. Hopefully Nicky.

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#87 NewAgeSys
June 08 2013, 08:55AM
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Spydyr wrote:

So you agree that Gagner will out score Hall ,Ebs, Nuge ,Yak and Shultz most years? Maybe Shultz but that is a maybe.

@Spydr.

There are an optimal number of potential offensive opportunitys connected to puck possesions that exist in every 60 minute game.System influences and execution determine how many of the optimal number your team will have to work with.

This means there is a finite number of opportunitys.We have an infinate volume of talent and skill now,our real job will be properly micro-managing this talent and skill to optimise each mans potential over 82 games by spreading the opportunity out tacticlly.

Our PP shows all of our talent and skillsets,our lack of ability to score 5 on 5 exposes our lack of proper managment tactics,clearly.We are EXTREMELY lucky things are so defined,if our PP sucked we would be totally lost and have no way to find a proper baseline to asess and valuate ourselves accurately.

When Mac-T manages to find balance in this managerial area we will see a very significant change in who gets points for us.

Gagner comes by his points in the PUREST fashion,through hard work and superior Intuitive Dynamic Managment tactics.He will be the least affected by the coming changes we will have to see.Nuge gets his points the same way, he will benefit as well which we need to see ASAP.

Once things settle down Nuge will take control and will become a dominant NHL line manager.Right now Gagner holds that spot on the Oilers,and there is no guarantee he wont keep it , I am not 100% convinced Nuge can catch up to Sams evolution Intuitively to counterbalance Sams six years of NHL experience.They look very dangerous as a one-two punch to me because of their managerial skills.

If we let the men run wild we will see Taylor at the top of the leaderboard,if we manage properly we will see Gagner and Ebbs fighting it out,with Nuge coming on strong.We SHOULD see Hall and Yak fighting for the goal lead off pure ability with Ebbs right behind them with sneaky hands and Gagner and Nuge following up with tactical contributions based on line managment not pure ability.

I believe if we are managed properly the performance envelopes I just listed will apply.

The degree of Intuition we see injected into our managment strategys will define the degree of improvement we see overall.Mac-T is adding that right now.

Note to self, nice job of eliminating ALL NHS references.It is Mac-Ts ballgame now.

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#88 NewAgeSys
June 08 2013, 09:30AM
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Smokey wrote:

I thinks he is here for poops and giggles to get a responce. There are times he writes semi-coherantly, and then times in when he's going all commando with his sheer bastardization of the english language. I find his thesis' are sometimes like roadkill, you can't advert your eyes and other times I scroll over.

I think hes purposely doing it I think. Its like trolling in a strange linguistic sorta way.

Nicely played Smokey .

Well done .

Yes, there has been a specific reason for the types of post I have been creating .

For 3 years I have been trying to get one message across to the Oilers,and only one message.I have been trying to illuminate the troublesome imbalance in their organisational direction, specificlly the lack of Intuitive input .

I have tried to include as many conceptualised ideas in my posts as I could translate into conventional terminology sometimes creating unconventional terminology out of necessity,and yes you are right many many times the presentation has been slightly ajar,ha ha ha . Most times this has been intentional, of course I make my share of errors like anyone would, ha ha ha.

The NHS is a communications and learning platform first and a hockey system second.Out of a sincere effort to streamline the communication dynamics between the players and the coaches the NewAge Hockey System was born into existance.

Mac-T is hot on the trail of intuitive resources now, that was the goal from day one.

I have accomplished my goal after only 3 years,not bad in my estimation.

Its Mac-Ts ballgame now.

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#89 Reagan
June 08 2013, 09:59AM
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Hall for Captain and mayor!

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