Trading Shawn Horcoff

Jonathan Willis
June 06 2013 03:40PM

On Thursday, Edmonton Oilers general manager Craig MacTavish left little room for doubt as to the fate of veteran Oilers Ales Hemsky and Shawn Horcoff. After hinting for most of the summer that the two would be moved, he told Team 1260’s Mark Spector that the “ideal scenario would be to move them on and wish them the best."

We’ve spent significant time on Ales Hemsky’s trade value here, but what kind of scenario would allow Shawn Horcoff to be moved?

Plausible Scenarios

The Oilers have a number of options with Horcoff; these strike me as the most superficially plausible:

  • Trade Horcoff for a useful player on a poor contract
  • Trade Horcoff while retaining salary, likely to a non-cap team
  • Buyout Horcoff

Before getting into the options, it's probably worthwhile to note that Horcoff has a no-move clause until July 1, though it's hard to imagine he wouldn't waive it in the right situation.

There are other options – as an example, one particularly unlikely scenario might be a trade centered on Horcoff for New York Islanders goaltender Rick DiPietro, with the Oilers acquiring additional assets to compensate for the heavy price associated with buying DiPietro out of his contract – but the three outlined are the most commonly discussed. Of them, we can likely eliminate a buyout – MacTavish also said the Oilers would welcome Hemsky/Horcoff back if “the right circumstance doesn’t present itself.”

That leaves the first and second option. There isn’t much to say on the second option: if the Oilers were to retain a portion (hypothetically, we’ll say $1 million/year) of Horcoff’s contract he’d be a very useful asset to a cap-floor team – being paid just $2.5 million per season by them, with an inflated cap hit. Almost any trade would be possible under those circumstances – for a pick, prospect or player – so it doesn’t make much sense to go beyond the fact that it’s an option the team has.

The other option - taking on a useful player on a poor contract – is more intriguing, though, because the Oilers could improve their roster in the here-and-now if the right deal were struck. What options might be out there?

Bad Contracts

Buffalo Sabres. I include them here because somebody is bound to bring them up, but I don’t see an attractive deal here. Defencemen Tyler Myers and Christian Ehrhoff are arguable fits, but one is too good of a player despite the contract and the other has a deal until the end of time. Up front, Drew Stafford plays the wrong position (right wing) and Ville Leino’s deal is too awful to entertain.

Columbus Blue Jackets. I’ve written about the Jackets before, and two contracts really stand out: R.J. Umberger and James Wisniewski. Umberger’s dollar figure isn’t excessive for what he brings ($4.6 million cap hit) but he has four more years on that contract, while Wisniewski has four more years at $5.5 million but would be a big addition to a weak Edmonton blue line. Columbus is not remotely a cap team, so Horcoff’s cap hit would be a pleasant addition for them.

Detroit Red Wings. Johan Franzen’s contract is brutal, and the new provisions against cheater years at the end are going to hurt Detroit in a big way. Given his age, it’s not a deal worth taking on for Edmonton.

Florida Panthers. There are some interesting possibilities here. Role player Scottie Upshall has been a disappointment, and has the same $3.5 million annual salary that Horcoff has for the next two years (though Upshall has an extra season on his deal). Defenceman Brian Campbell has a big-money deal and would help the Oilers immediately, but as Florida acquired him with that contract it would seem they don’t mind. Ed Jovanovski has two years left on his over-35 deal, but probably wouldn’t be a lot of help on the Oilers’ blue line.

Minnesota Wild. It’s a good bet Dany Heatley wouldn’t work so hard to block a trade to Edmonton these days; it’s also a good bet Edmonton’s interest in him has waned.

New York Rangers. With seven years left on Brad Richards contract, it simply isn’t worth the risk.

Philadelphia Flyers. Daniel Briere is frequently mentioned as a buyout candidate, but isn’t a good fit for the Oilers’ needs.

Phoenix Coyotes. The Coyotes don’t have a lot of bad contracts on the books. Antoine Vermette had a disappointing year in some regards , earns a little more money than Horcoff but has a lower cap hit (all items that would favour a trade) but also played a top-line role for the Coyotes. He could help the Oilers, but it’s hard to imagine Phoenix is anxious to deal him away.

Pittsburgh Penguins. It could be a very interesting summer in Pittsburgh. Marc-Andre Fleury is a possibility to be shopped, but costs more than Devan Dubnyk and would only (at best) be a marginal upgrade. Defenceman Paul Martin is an interesting possibility – he has a considerable cap hit and was considered trade bait last summer, but a strong season may have rehabilitated him in Pittsburgh.

San Jose Sharks. I’ve written at some length about Martin Havlat; I lean against him being a good fit in Edmonton but he’d be a possible target.

Tampa Bay Lightning. There are at least two interesting names here. Vincent Lecavalier would be an immediate and significant upgrade on Shawn Horcoff and could be vulnerable due to his contract, but that contract is also terrifying: seven more years with a nearly $8 million annual cap hit. It also has cheater years on the end of the deal, so if he (as is likely) retires prior to the end of the contract a team could face significant cap penalties. More interesting is Ryan Malone – the 6’4”, 220 pound left wing has two years left on his $4.5 million cap hit contract, has had some injury problems, and has been frequently mentioned as a buyout/trade possibility. Malone, however, only earns $2.5 million per year on the two years left on his contract; the Lightning have been significantly more willing to spend in recent years but that dollar drop probably makes it less likely that the player gets dealt.

Toronto Maple Leafs. Both John-Michael Liles and Mikhail Grabovski would seem to be possibilities. Grabovski is an excellent player coming off a wretched season, and has four years left at a $5.5 million cap hit. Of course, he’s also on the small side (5’11”, 183 pounds) and his deal runs twice as long as Horcoff’s. John-Michael Liles has three seasons left at a $3.88 million cap hit; the 32-year old would add offence and mobility to an Oilers’ left side short of those qualities, but he isn’t seen as great in his own end and lacks ideal size (5’10”, 185 pounds).

Vancouver Canucks. Vancouver desperately needs to gain cap space; even in a deal for Roberto Luongo ($5.33 million cap hit) adding Horcoff wouldn’t do it; it’s hard to see a fit here.

Washington Capitals. Brooks Laich missed most of the year with a groin injury, but prior to that was an all-purpose centre for Washington who did a nice job in an auxiliary offensive role. His name has been mentioned in trade rumours in the past, though it would be entirely understandable if “Laich for Horcoff” wasn’t palatable to general manager George McPhee. The reason Laich might be vulnerable is again contract: the 29-year old has four seasons left at a $4.5 million cap hit.

Winnipeg Jets. Olli Jokinen is coming off a brutal season and has another year left with a $4.5 million cap hit; he would add size (6’3”, 215 pounds) to the centre position but isn’t a well-rounded player.

As I See It…

Taking on a bad contract only really makes sense if it also works as a hockey move. With the Oilers’ ability to eat salary in a transaction, Horcoff is tradable, and so taking on a long boat anchor contract (Lecavalier, Richards, etc.) doesn’t really make sense. Of the situations above, Columbus strikes me as the best combination of plausible and attractive from an Oilers’ standpoint; other players might work to varying degrees but there really aren’t a lot of possibilities.

Retaining salary and moving Horcoff to a non-cap team seems the most likely outcome.

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#1 d.doiley
June 06 2013, 03:46PM
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regardless of any sideline stories about Horcoff, he has been a good soldier for the Oilers and done the team well. he is solid 3rd line center at this point in his career (probably all of his career).

that been said, it is time for change within the locker-room of this team and it should be meaningful and impactful. i believe this will be.

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#2 Spydyr
June 06 2013, 03:49PM
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You better have at least one if not two other centers in place before moving Horcoff.

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#3 Smokey
June 06 2013, 03:50PM
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That unpossible.

The idea hes got value or.a.team needs to get the floor is silly.

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#4 Rocket
June 06 2013, 03:50PM
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Good read as always JW. Lots of interesting possibilities here. I hope MacT at least makes a decision on him this summer. He could still bring good things to The Oilers but if they get a good trade, why not pull the trigger?

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#5 Rocket
June 06 2013, 03:52PM
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Spydyr wrote:

You better have at least one if not two other centers in place before moving Horcoff.

Yeah no kidding. It's not like The Oilers have a lot of depth at centre.

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#6 Spydyr
June 06 2013, 03:54PM
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Rocket wrote:

Yeah no kidding. It's not like The Oilers have a lot of depth at centre.

Less depth then the shallow end of the kiddie pool.

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#7 Will
June 06 2013, 03:59PM
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Well, I mean it's refreshing to hear a GM not mince words. Tambi would have raved about how great Horcoff is and said they needed him back to "up his value", MacT gives some of the other GM's a bit of credit and recognizes they know what kind of players they're getting so why BS. He really kind of bought a one way ticket with coming out and saying it though didn't he?

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#8 Archaeologuy
June 06 2013, 04:02PM
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Laich screwed me on my Nations Draft.

LAICH!!!

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#9 Supernova
June 06 2013, 04:06PM
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I think NYI would be interested in Horcoff, they love players with Cap hits above Cash payouts. Also he could play wing or centre for them and add a valuable veteran presence.

If the Oil are able to move Horcoff without taking a bad contract back they might possibly have interest in players like Matt Cullen, Boyd Gordon, Kyle Chipchura, and Maxim Lapierre. They would need to add at least 2 of these types and wouldnt have to pay huge contracts or long terms to any of them.

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#10 Supernova
June 06 2013, 04:07PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

Laich screwed me on my Nations Draft.

LAICH!!!

Laich would be Dynamite and Caps are in Cap struggle mode. They would likely love to have Ribeiro back.

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#11 Metal&Oil
June 06 2013, 04:11PM
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One question about those "cheater years" who is on the hook for the penalty's associated with them? Is it the team who gave the player the contract or the team the player last plays for before retirement? I thought I read somewhere that it would be the team who first signed the contract that would be on the hook for these cap penalty's.

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#12 Bucknuck
June 06 2013, 04:13PM
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I imagine Horcoff would probably be part of a package deal involving draft picks or something. I can't see a one for one trade with him.

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#13 magisterrex
June 06 2013, 04:22PM
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And the Oilers Captain's Curse strikes again!

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#14 madjam
June 06 2013, 04:33PM
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Buffalo would be interested in both Horcoff and Hemsky . What makes Buffalo so attractive is their draft choices 8 ,16 , 38 , and 55 I believe . Could a Vanek , Miller or Myers be in that mix ? So many options with Buffalo I believe .

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#15 Truth
June 06 2013, 04:35PM
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Hemsky, a D prospect + pick for a center at the draft (Sean Couturier, ideally).

Horcoff for a utility defenseman after July 1. Horcoff seems like a good fit in Phoenix, trade him for Derek Morris. Both are overpaid and older.

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#16 treblecharger
June 06 2013, 04:35PM
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I hope Mac T has a plan...Who takes the D zone faceoffs now? Who plays against the other teams top line? Nuge? Not ready. Gagner? Has he proved anywhere near as good/efficient defensively as Horc? Belanger? Nope, he's gone.I don't think now is the time to lose #10, there is simply no one who can take the load he does. I like Mac T's frankness and wanting to change things up, but I'm shocked at this.

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#17 jeanshorts
June 06 2013, 04:35PM
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I'm all for Scottie Upshall provided he brings Melanie Collins with him.

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#18 Quicksilver ballet
June 06 2013, 04:37PM
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Lol, where was all this wisdom a year or two ago. What a bunch of donkeys.

If they could take Gags with them, it would really be the beginning of an new era of Oilers hockey. Deadwood out, new blood in needs to be quickened, before it's too late.

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#19 Rama Lama
June 06 2013, 04:38PM
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I like the way Mac T communicates........straight forward and to the point, how refreshing is that?

Tamby would have confused the hell out of everyone with his mumbo jumbo talk......it"s no wonder he could hot pull of a trade. Imagine the other GM is thinking when this guy is talking?

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#22 Bucknuck
June 06 2013, 04:43PM
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treblecharger wrote:

I hope Mac T has a plan...Who takes the D zone faceoffs now? Who plays against the other teams top line? Nuge? Not ready. Gagner? Has he proved anywhere near as good/efficient defensively as Horc? Belanger? Nope, he's gone.I don't think now is the time to lose #10, there is simply no one who can take the load he does. I like Mac T's frankness and wanting to change things up, but I'm shocked at this.

Since he was a coach, I believe he understands how important good D zone coverage (and especially face-offs) are for keeping possession.

Gagner and RNH (especially after surgery) are not good faceoff guys, and I expect Belanger is going to be gone as well. I get the feeling MacT will be trying to trade for Centres.

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#24 Quicksilver ballet
June 06 2013, 04:54PM
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MacTavish also said the Oilers would welcome Hemsky/Horcoff back if “the right circumstance doesn’t present itself.”

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They better kick in half their salary to expedite these moves. If nobody else in the league wants/see's any value at all in these guys, why should the Oilers bring them back.

Horc @ 1/2 price to the Islanders for DiPietro, Hamonic and a second rounder.

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#25 Jason
June 06 2013, 04:59PM
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IF the Oilers are going to move Horcoff and Hemsky, these are the deals that make the most sense to me:

Ales Hemsky for Brandon Dubinsky

Shawn Horcoff for Scottie Upshall

Sets you up for this:

Eberle / Nugent-Hopkins / (UFA)

Hall / Dubinsky / Yakupov

Upshall / (Vacant) / Paajarvi

(UFA) / (UFA) / Jones

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#26 curious
June 06 2013, 05:08PM
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With no Horcoff who will we blame?

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#27 michael
June 06 2013, 05:09PM
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As a lifetime Oiler would the possibility that Shawn Horcoff retires an Oiler be there as an option also? At 34 he isn't getting any younger.What does he want I guess is the quetion. Be a role player for the next 3-4 years and make an extra 10-12 million or retire with his brain and body intact at 34. Settle down.Enjoy the grass.The wife. The kids.The golf..No Stanley Cup. But health sometimes is more important. I would bow out gracefully rather than plug along hoping for a shot at glory. Too many players hang on and devalue their careers in search of the elusive trophy. Its not for all to lift the CUP. Many a player has never tasted the sweetness of victory from the CUP. That said. Many are HOF players.Horcoff is not a HOF but he certainly would be remebered as good foot soldier who paid the price many times as an Oiler. A good example recently is brian Urlacher of the Bears. He'll eat and drink free forever in Chicago. He is so revered. He knew where he stood and bowed out with dignity and respect from the fans and from his team mates. Perhaps its time for a long look at where Horoff is at in life. he has made a lot of money.his health is intat.The ole brain is ticking. Check.Check and Check. "If you need me I'll be gone fishing".

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#28 CC
June 06 2013, 05:11PM
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JW,

Couple of thoughts. Ryan Malone has a high cap hit but low $ amounts. He'd be a good fit here. Plays LW, will drop the gloves & can play center in a pinch. The problem is he has a NTC that allows him to select 12 teams he would accept a deal too. If I'm Malone, I'm hoping for a buyout and then signing a deal close to 2.5 million. I think it's more likely that they will be able to sign Malone as a free agent after he is bought out.

Florida, one guy I think you missed was Sean Bergenhiem. Last year he got hurt during the lockout, then the team sued him (and lost) for getting hurt during the lockout. I'm not sure I see a way that he is going to be welcomed back with open arms.

Olli Jokinen is a name that's intrigued me. I've wondered if he would make a better winger, as he get's older. He still have good offensive instincts, he's always been a better scorer than a playmaker and I just don't think he has what it takes to play center anymore. Moving to wing could extend his career a couple of years.

If they can get Vermette for Horcoff, do the deal grab a scotch & call it a day. He's a really underrated player & a type of player the Oilers need. The Coyotes also have Rostislav Klesla on the books for just under $3M. But he was a healthy scratch last year at times for Michael Stone. And with Gormley, Rundblad knocking at the door, I could see him as being available.

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#29 Smokey
June 06 2013, 05:15PM
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madjam wrote:

Buffalo would be interested in both Horcoff and Hemsky . What makes Buffalo so attractive is their draft choices 8 ,16 , 38 , and 55 I believe . Could a Vanek , Miller or Myers be in that mix ? So many options with Buffalo I believe .

I don't know what trade senario with Horc or Hemsky could make Buffalo give up a top ten player, stud dman, or Miller. Could you elaborate?

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#30 Greg The Hammer Valentine
June 06 2013, 05:24PM
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I think the ideal trade partner for Horcoff is Florida. Maybe something along the lines of Horcof + young guy like Hartikainen + 2nd round draft pick in 2014 gets us Upshall and Marcel Goc. But all things considered, after saying that you want to trade him, you should just buy him out if you can't move him.

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#31 Taylor Gang
June 06 2013, 05:27PM
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Smokey wrote:

I don't know what trade senario with Horc or Hemsky could make Buffalo give up a top ten player, stud dman, or Miller. Could you elaborate?

Perhaps Hemsky, Anaheim's 2nd rounder and the #7 overall pick for Myers. I can't really say what Myers is worth because in the eyes of many he is not as good as his 5.5 million dollar cap hit suggests.

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#32 MyqWilson
June 06 2013, 05:40PM
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I don't get how people think getting rid of players like Hemsky and Horcoff will make this team better.

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#33 Spydyr
June 06 2013, 05:50PM
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MyqWilson wrote:

I don't get how people think getting rid of players like Hemsky and Horcoff will make this team better.

By getting younger better players to fill their roles.

Yak has already filled Hemsky's role.There are many better third line centers then Horcoff.

It is time to fix the mess.Hope Mac-T can get 'er done.

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#34 WhattaMike
June 06 2013, 05:50PM
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I don't believe that a sole trade of Horcoff can be made and thus, a combination of deals has to be conducted.

That being said, I believe that the Oilers should wait until July 1 then trade Horcoff and one defence prospect...(Gernat probably as we already have Marancin in the system who is the same type...but a farther ahead player)to the Blue jackets for Fedor Tyutin. Even throw in that the Oil pays one million off Horcoff's salary per season til this current contract ends.

Horcoff + Gernat +$1 mil/season = Tyutin

Immediately then, the Oilers should trade Hemsky in a package (plus a 2014 3rd to 4th rd pick, with Omark and/or Teubert) to Philly for say....Centre Maxime Talbot and say... this yr's available type 3rd (#72)rd pick.

Hemsky + 3rd rd (2014) + Omark/Teubert = Maxime Talbot

The Oilers then go for Horton or Stalberg for the second line and then say...Kyle Chipchura for the 4th.

Hall(New Capt)- RNH - Ebs,.. Horton - Gagner - Yak,... (add #7 overall pickup ofMonahan/Lindholm for 2nd line projection too), Paajarvi - Talbot - Hartikainen,... Gordon - Lander - Smyth,..

Mike Brown/New Heavyweight as extras.

Defence would be Tyutin - J.Schultz, Petry - Klefbom, Belov - Smid wkitn Potter as extra and Nick Schultz traded...

So let the trading begin with columbus then Philly

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#35 madjam
June 06 2013, 05:51PM
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Smokey wrote:

I don't know what trade senario with Horc or Hemsky could make Buffalo give up a top ten player, stud dman, or Miller. Could you elaborate?

Buffalo's draft choices makes for a myriad of possibilities seeing as we are so close together in draft . They have two extra ones worth persuing where we have one extra in second round . I would expect some return on Hemsky , Horcoff beyond swapping of some draft picks .

Example only : We trade first round picks moving down one along with Horcoff and Hemsky and our late second round pick . They in turn give us their 8 and 16 and third round pick because we don't have one . Now to even up trade - on the outs with Buffalo we might see them part with one of the Sabers I mentioned .

Oilers probably feel they'll get their player even at 8th spot if they are trading with them . Lots of possibilities even without a major player in return .

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#36 WhattaMike
June 06 2013, 05:53PM
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Forgot mistakenly to say and to add that the fourth line would be more so of Boyd Gordon - Chipchura - Smyth and Lander would be a call up.

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#37 FSD
June 06 2013, 06:03PM
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Nothing personal but I rarely agree with anything madjam says about hockey.

This has nothing to do with contribution to the site, it is good to have different points of view regarding hockey.

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#38 madjam
June 06 2013, 06:09PM
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MyqWilson wrote:

I don't get how people think getting rid of players like Hemsky and Horcoff will make this team better.

People(fans) are just tired of constantly losing with them , and they want to see a change . No offense to either of them . It doesn't look like we will be going anywhere up soon if we keep retaining them .

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#39 Eddie Shore
June 06 2013, 06:10PM
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Spydyr wrote:

By getting younger better players to fill their roles.

Yak has already filled Hemsky's role.There are many better third line centers then Horcoff.

It is time to fix the mess.Hope Mac-T can get 'er done.

Yakupov has NOT overtaken Hemsky. He finished strong but the guy's head is in the sand when the puck is not on his stick. I'm all for sending Ales and Shawn down the block but only if legitimate NHL players are coming back.

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#40 stretch14
June 06 2013, 06:13PM
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Tim Thomas' deal is coming off the books this summer, maybe the Isles would take a guy with a higher cap hit and lower actual salary to help them with the cap floor.

Niederreiter requested a trade back in January.

Horcoff + a 2nd for Niederreiter???

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#41 Spydyr
June 06 2013, 06:20PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Yakupov has NOT overtaken Hemsky. He finished strong but the guy's head is in the sand when the puck is not on his stick. I'm all for sending Ales and Shawn down the block but only if legitimate NHL players are coming back.

I said filled not overtaken.That should be done by late this year early next year.Yak will be the first or second line right winger along with Ebs.Hemsky goes.Easy as that.

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#42 Eddie Shore
June 06 2013, 06:33PM
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@Spydyr

Semantics. Until Yakupov can be trusted to play in the last ten minutes of a tied/one goal game, he has not filled a top-6 role.

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#43 DSF
June 06 2013, 06:37PM
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stretch14 wrote:

Tim Thomas' deal is coming off the books this summer, maybe the Isles would take a guy with a higher cap hit and lower actual salary to help them with the cap floor.

Niederreiter requested a trade back in January.

Horcoff + a 2nd for Niederreiter???

The Islanders have to spend $15 million to hit the cap floor of $44 million.

They have ZERO goaltenders signed so I would expect they will spend $4 million on goaltending...leaving $11 Million.

They need to re-sign Travis Hamonic and Thomas Hickey which will likely cost them about $4 million...leaving $7 million.

They also have only 10 forwards under contract so need to sign at least 3 more which will include Josh Bailey, David Ullstrom and one other.

I would think Bailey and Ullstrom would take up most of that $7 million so they are far from desperate to reach a lower cap floor.

With Ryan Strome and Brock Nelson a good bet to make the team this season, I think it's highly unlikely they'll be trading for cap hits.

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#44 Spydyr
June 06 2013, 06:37PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Semantics. Until Yakupov can be trusted to play in the last ten minutes of a tied/one goal game, he has not filled a top-6 role.

Would you want him out there down a goal with 10 minutes left? I know I would.

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#45 Eddie Shore
June 06 2013, 06:49PM
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@Spydyr

I'm fairly certain you know what I meant and are just being facetious. I like Yakupov and think he will be great, but if Hemsky and Horcoff are going to be moved that will create two more holes in the roster. As long as MacT has a game plan and can fill those holes, I am on board. However, if we start the year without replacing those players with actual NHL quality players, I will be beyond rattled.

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#46 Taylor Gang
June 06 2013, 06:51PM
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Horcoff has probably the second worst contract for active players in the NHL (Lecavalier is the worst). I seriously doubt even a cap floor team will be willing to take Horcoff's albatross. Best to be bought out. I don't care about the so called "intangibles" he brings, his contract cripples the Oilers horrendously. End of story.

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#47 WhattaMike
June 06 2013, 06:51PM
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To Mikey,

I agree with Spydyr that Yakupov has passed Hemsky as the #2 right winger on this team.

First, Hemsky did not get 17 goals this yr but yakupov did..in a 48 game season to lead all rookies and the Oilers both.Hemsky scored only 9.

Yakupov scored 31 to Hemsky's 20 pts, Yakupov played in 48 ngames and Hemsky only 38. This kid did it with less minutes than Hemsky got per average when playing also.

Yakupov will learn defence while Hemsky has been here long enough and his defence playing was not good for a second line centre.

Add to this that Yakupov is only turning 19 and that Hemsky is 29 already and all the above facts....points to now giving Yakkers that second line status.

Two last points to make as fact/final is that Hemsky has not led the Oil back to the Playoffs in 7 yrs now while yakupov just arrived....and that Hemsky is well paid per yr at over 3 million more than Yakupov per yr now.

I agree with Spydyr. Sorry dude (Mikey) but ya cant dispute these facts. I want to say I have been a Hemsky fan myself but it is time mto say thankyou bud for many highlight moments/that 2006 playoff run...and then move onward.....

Back to the Future!!!!!

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#48 WhattaMike
June 06 2013, 06:53PM
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Sorry but I was thinking Horcoff of at centre when while I wrote to "Mikey" of Hemsky playing centre...versus Yakupov being the new 2nd winger...in my last statements...my bad.

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#49 Spydyr
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I'm fairly certain you know what I meant and are just being facetious. I like Yakupov and think he will be great, but if Hemsky and Horcoff are going to be moved that will create two more holes in the roster. As long as MacT has a game plan and can fill those holes, I am on board. However, if we start the year without replacing those players with actual NHL quality players, I will be beyond rattled.

Sorry was not trying to be facetious. Was just saying down a goal put Yak on.Up a goal well you should have three other right wingers.Offensively he is already better then Hemmer.

Isn't it the job of the GM to win every trade he makes?

I believe and it sounds like Mac-T does too. The time for magic beans is over.Therefore he will be trading Horc and Hemmer for some immediate help.Mac-T is even makes noises of trading the 7th pick for immediate help.Not that I agree with that but it shows he feels the time to win is now.

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