Trading Shawn Horcoff

Jonathan Willis
June 06 2013 03:40PM

On Thursday, Edmonton Oilers general manager Craig MacTavish left little room for doubt as to the fate of veteran Oilers Ales Hemsky and Shawn Horcoff. After hinting for most of the summer that the two would be moved, he told Team 1260’s Mark Spector that the “ideal scenario would be to move them on and wish them the best."

We’ve spent significant time on Ales Hemsky’s trade value here, but what kind of scenario would allow Shawn Horcoff to be moved?

Plausible Scenarios

The Oilers have a number of options with Horcoff; these strike me as the most superficially plausible:

  • Trade Horcoff for a useful player on a poor contract
  • Trade Horcoff while retaining salary, likely to a non-cap team
  • Buyout Horcoff

Before getting into the options, it's probably worthwhile to note that Horcoff has a no-move clause until July 1, though it's hard to imagine he wouldn't waive it in the right situation.

There are other options – as an example, one particularly unlikely scenario might be a trade centered on Horcoff for New York Islanders goaltender Rick DiPietro, with the Oilers acquiring additional assets to compensate for the heavy price associated with buying DiPietro out of his contract – but the three outlined are the most commonly discussed. Of them, we can likely eliminate a buyout – MacTavish also said the Oilers would welcome Hemsky/Horcoff back if “the right circumstance doesn’t present itself.”

That leaves the first and second option. There isn’t much to say on the second option: if the Oilers were to retain a portion (hypothetically, we’ll say $1 million/year) of Horcoff’s contract he’d be a very useful asset to a cap-floor team – being paid just $2.5 million per season by them, with an inflated cap hit. Almost any trade would be possible under those circumstances – for a pick, prospect or player – so it doesn’t make much sense to go beyond the fact that it’s an option the team has.

The other option - taking on a useful player on a poor contract – is more intriguing, though, because the Oilers could improve their roster in the here-and-now if the right deal were struck. What options might be out there?

Bad Contracts

Buffalo Sabres. I include them here because somebody is bound to bring them up, but I don’t see an attractive deal here. Defencemen Tyler Myers and Christian Ehrhoff are arguable fits, but one is too good of a player despite the contract and the other has a deal until the end of time. Up front, Drew Stafford plays the wrong position (right wing) and Ville Leino’s deal is too awful to entertain.

Columbus Blue Jackets. I’ve written about the Jackets before, and two contracts really stand out: R.J. Umberger and James Wisniewski. Umberger’s dollar figure isn’t excessive for what he brings ($4.6 million cap hit) but he has four more years on that contract, while Wisniewski has four more years at $5.5 million but would be a big addition to a weak Edmonton blue line. Columbus is not remotely a cap team, so Horcoff’s cap hit would be a pleasant addition for them.

Detroit Red Wings. Johan Franzen’s contract is brutal, and the new provisions against cheater years at the end are going to hurt Detroit in a big way. Given his age, it’s not a deal worth taking on for Edmonton.

Florida Panthers. There are some interesting possibilities here. Role player Scottie Upshall has been a disappointment, and has the same $3.5 million annual salary that Horcoff has for the next two years (though Upshall has an extra season on his deal). Defenceman Brian Campbell has a big-money deal and would help the Oilers immediately, but as Florida acquired him with that contract it would seem they don’t mind. Ed Jovanovski has two years left on his over-35 deal, but probably wouldn’t be a lot of help on the Oilers’ blue line.

Minnesota Wild. It’s a good bet Dany Heatley wouldn’t work so hard to block a trade to Edmonton these days; it’s also a good bet Edmonton’s interest in him has waned.

New York Rangers. With seven years left on Brad Richards contract, it simply isn’t worth the risk.

Philadelphia Flyers. Daniel Briere is frequently mentioned as a buyout candidate, but isn’t a good fit for the Oilers’ needs.

Phoenix Coyotes. The Coyotes don’t have a lot of bad contracts on the books. Antoine Vermette had a disappointing year in some regards , earns a little more money than Horcoff but has a lower cap hit (all items that would favour a trade) but also played a top-line role for the Coyotes. He could help the Oilers, but it’s hard to imagine Phoenix is anxious to deal him away.

Pittsburgh Penguins. It could be a very interesting summer in Pittsburgh. Marc-Andre Fleury is a possibility to be shopped, but costs more than Devan Dubnyk and would only (at best) be a marginal upgrade. Defenceman Paul Martin is an interesting possibility – he has a considerable cap hit and was considered trade bait last summer, but a strong season may have rehabilitated him in Pittsburgh.

San Jose Sharks. I’ve written at some length about Martin Havlat; I lean against him being a good fit in Edmonton but he’d be a possible target.

Tampa Bay Lightning. There are at least two interesting names here. Vincent Lecavalier would be an immediate and significant upgrade on Shawn Horcoff and could be vulnerable due to his contract, but that contract is also terrifying: seven more years with a nearly $8 million annual cap hit. It also has cheater years on the end of the deal, so if he (as is likely) retires prior to the end of the contract a team could face significant cap penalties. More interesting is Ryan Malone – the 6’4”, 220 pound left wing has two years left on his $4.5 million cap hit contract, has had some injury problems, and has been frequently mentioned as a buyout/trade possibility. Malone, however, only earns $2.5 million per year on the two years left on his contract; the Lightning have been significantly more willing to spend in recent years but that dollar drop probably makes it less likely that the player gets dealt.

Toronto Maple Leafs. Both John-Michael Liles and Mikhail Grabovski would seem to be possibilities. Grabovski is an excellent player coming off a wretched season, and has four years left at a $5.5 million cap hit. Of course, he’s also on the small side (5’11”, 183 pounds) and his deal runs twice as long as Horcoff’s. John-Michael Liles has three seasons left at a $3.88 million cap hit; the 32-year old would add offence and mobility to an Oilers’ left side short of those qualities, but he isn’t seen as great in his own end and lacks ideal size (5’10”, 185 pounds).

Vancouver Canucks. Vancouver desperately needs to gain cap space; even in a deal for Roberto Luongo ($5.33 million cap hit) adding Horcoff wouldn’t do it; it’s hard to see a fit here.

Washington Capitals. Brooks Laich missed most of the year with a groin injury, but prior to that was an all-purpose centre for Washington who did a nice job in an auxiliary offensive role. His name has been mentioned in trade rumours in the past, though it would be entirely understandable if “Laich for Horcoff” wasn’t palatable to general manager George McPhee. The reason Laich might be vulnerable is again contract: the 29-year old has four seasons left at a $4.5 million cap hit.

Winnipeg Jets. Olli Jokinen is coming off a brutal season and has another year left with a $4.5 million cap hit; he would add size (6’3”, 215 pounds) to the centre position but isn’t a well-rounded player.

As I See It…

Taking on a bad contract only really makes sense if it also works as a hockey move. With the Oilers’ ability to eat salary in a transaction, Horcoff is tradable, and so taking on a long boat anchor contract (Lecavalier, Richards, etc.) doesn’t really make sense. Of the situations above, Columbus strikes me as the best combination of plausible and attractive from an Oilers’ standpoint; other players might work to varying degrees but there really aren’t a lot of possibilities.

Retaining salary and moving Horcoff to a non-cap team seems the most likely outcome.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Greg The Hammer Valentine
June 06 2013, 07:13PM
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@Jonathan Willis

Thomas Kaberle. Hands down.

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#52 WhattaMike
June 06 2013, 07:22PM
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@Jonathon Willis

I agree with you on bad contracts...and ya can add Bryzgalov too please.

I believe also that Columbus is the better team to make deals with now, especially when the BJ are moving to a new eastern conference.

But I believe that Philly can be dealt with too as a good team to work with on trades. we have good future defence prospects Philly would probably like...and The Flyers have two centres to maybe work a deal out...Brayden Schenn and Talbot.

I think Hemsky plus Gernat and the 7th overall for Schenn and the Flyers 11th and 72nd picks can be decent. Or Hemsky plus Gernat only for Talbot may be okay...

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#53 Smokey
June 06 2013, 07:39PM
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madjam wrote:

Buffalo's draft choices makes for a myriad of possibilities seeing as we are so close together in draft . They have two extra ones worth persuing where we have one extra in second round . I would expect some return on Hemsky , Horcoff beyond swapping of some draft picks .

Example only : We trade first round picks moving down one along with Horcoff and Hemsky and our late second round pick . They in turn give us their 8 and 16 and third round pick because we don't have one . Now to even up trade - on the outs with Buffalo we might see them part with one of the Sabers I mentioned .

Oilers probably feel they'll get their player even at 8th spot if they are trading with them . Lots of possibilities even without a major player in return .

I don't see them taken 10 million of cap and giving us an additional pick imat 16 in an enormously deep draft.

I could see them swapping picks for Hemsky and returning a couple of seconds. That first is like a top ten some years, and I think Buffalo is rebuilding not looking get older and take on Horc's cap.

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#54 NewAgeSys
June 06 2013, 07:43PM
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WhattaMike wrote:

To Mikey,

I agree with Spydyr that Yakupov has passed Hemsky as the #2 right winger on this team.

First, Hemsky did not get 17 goals this yr but yakupov did..in a 48 game season to lead all rookies and the Oilers both.Hemsky scored only 9.

Yakupov scored 31 to Hemsky's 20 pts, Yakupov played in 48 ngames and Hemsky only 38. This kid did it with less minutes than Hemsky got per average when playing also.

Yakupov will learn defence while Hemsky has been here long enough and his defence playing was not good for a second line centre.

Add to this that Yakupov is only turning 19 and that Hemsky is 29 already and all the above facts....points to now giving Yakkers that second line status.

Two last points to make as fact/final is that Hemsky has not led the Oil back to the Playoffs in 7 yrs now while yakupov just arrived....and that Hemsky is well paid per yr at over 3 million more than Yakupov per yr now.

I agree with Spydyr. Sorry dude (Mikey) but ya cant dispute these facts. I want to say I have been a Hemsky fan myself but it is time mto say thankyou bud for many highlight moments/that 2006 playoff run...and then move onward.....

Back to the Future!!!!!

BAM!!!

Yakupov owns the 2nd line spot and Ebbs isnt anywhere near giving up his number one status,over 82 games Ebbs will fight for the team points lead.Our first two lines are more of a 1 and a 1A.If Gagner has another evolutionary year god knows what he will manage to do if we give him Yakupov and MPS for 82 games.

Hemsky is our 3rd line zone entry specialist still the best one we have he just doesnt fit anywhere else, or he is gone.

Horcoff is a grit player on the 3rd line with Smyth owning middle front real estate every night supporting Hemmers one man show or he is gone as well.

Rosterwise i dont care what Mac-T does save Nuge,anyone else is tradebait to me.It is what it is,if I had to pick one of the core to build around on his own it would be Nuge.We needed an organisational re-set and baby we are getting one,Mac-T style,belt yourselves in and keep your head up and your chin tucked in.

As a matter of fact I would demand Nuge take dynamic managment control of his line this coming year as Gagner has naturally done on the 2nd line,he is ready for more control,as soon as he is healed that is.Hall can continue to catalyse the lines dynamic managment till then but after Nuge is back its gotta change consistantly for them both to optimise their lines potential.

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#55 Racki
June 06 2013, 07:46PM
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JW: I'd add Roberto Luongo too now, due to being signed until the year infinity, and the Canucks wanting him gone. Pretty damn tough sell.

Horc's contract was bad the day it was signed (as a big supporter of Horcoff, I hung my head when I heard about that deal), but with $4m and $3m left, it's perftectly fine and not that hard of a sell. The cap hit is bad, but there's teams out there who wouldn't care about that, and more the bottom dollar.

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#56 Bryan in SK
June 06 2013, 07:47PM
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Heatley would make a WONDERFUL addition to OKC.

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#57 WhattaMike
June 06 2013, 08:11PM
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To bryan in SK.....LMAO....about Heatley being good for OKC...however...lol...he probably would poison that team.

Now.....Hemsky + Gernat + 7th overall to Philly for 11th overall + B. Schenn + 41st pick this yr may not be bad a deal..

The Oilers would get a a top type 2nd line centre (move Gagner to 3rd line or trade him)then at 11th... a type very good defenceman prospect of any of Pulock, maybe Ristolainen, Zadorov, Mirco Mueller, Robert Hagg, etc.

The Oilers could then package their 2nd rounder plus Philly's 41st to go into the back end of the first round (24th to 30th)for one Comrie or Jarry or Juusi Saros for goaltending.

draft day One = Brayden Schenn, then say Pulock and Comrie/Jarry/Saros....3 top new kids for Hemsky, Gernat and 7th.,

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#58 Taylor Gang
June 06 2013, 08:16PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Rick DiPietro? Brad Richards? Chris Pronger?

I should have specified.

When I say active NHL players what I mean is players actually PLAYING in the NHL. Pronger will probably retire and Dipietro is banished to the wasteland.

Okay fine, Brad Richards' contract is worse, but you could argue in a bang for buck situation Richards delivers more even with his modest point totals. On a year by year basis, Richards' contract is more justifiable than Horcoff's.

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#60 Smokey
June 06 2013, 08:33PM
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I just read some silly artical that suggested Marian Hossa may be bought out. Would the Oilers be interested in any way if hes available.

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#61 WhattaMike
June 06 2013, 08:42PM
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To Hall for President....

I agree with JW that Horcoff stays here...albeit not captain anymore...for this next season rather than B. Richards coming here to the Oil.

Worse contract than Horcoff at this time.

That being said...Hey Jonathon...why can't the Oil package Horcoff in a deal.. for Tyutin at Columbus somehow?

Without touching the 7th overall pick to Cloumbus, could the the Oilers could maybe package Horcoff/$1 mil off salary per season and include a defence prospect such as Fedun or Davidson...for Tyutin/2013 3rd to 4th rounder?

I wrote of my other proposed Hemsky/Gernat/7th overall deal prior to this one ....to Philly for 11th overall, Brayden Schenn and the 41st pick...the flip both 2nd rounders to get a later other 1st rounder.... Would that not be too bad JW?

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#62 Rhett H
June 06 2013, 08:52PM
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@Greg The Hammer Valentine

Are you insane? Kaberle is the last thing the Oilers need on their back end, a soft "hide behind the curtains" d-man is exactly what they need...

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#63 Spydyr
June 06 2013, 08:53PM
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Smokey wrote:

I just read some silly artical that suggested Marian Hossa may be bought out. Would the Oilers be interested in any way if hes available.

Would Hossa be interested in the Oilers?He wasn't before.

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#64 Nepali chulo
June 06 2013, 08:59PM
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Pittsburgh Penguins. It could be a very interesting summer in Pittsburgh. Marc-Andre Fleury is a possibility to be shopped, but costs more than Devan Dubnyk and would only (at best) be a marginal upgrade. Defenceman Paul Martin is an interesting possibility – he has a considerable cap hit and was considered trade bait last summer, but a strong season may have rehabilitated him in Pittsburgh.

Marginal upgrade? Fleury has a ring, Dubnyk has a five hole

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#65 Greg The Hammer Valentine
June 06 2013, 09:16PM
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@Rhett H

If you had read the discussion correctly, you would have understood that I meant Kaberle was the worst contract in the league...

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#66 Rhett H
June 06 2013, 09:19PM
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My apologies, your grace, I Britta'd that one hard.

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#67 Hallisimo
June 06 2013, 09:24PM
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Do you think there's any chance whatsoever that we can pull off a deal with the islanders that Mac T would consider DiPietro for the buyout. Something like.. Hemsky Horcoff and our 7th overall for DiPietro Strome Niederreiter and the rights to Streit.

The islanders rid themselves of the albatross contract, give up Strome but they're depth at C helps, Nino has already asked for a trade and clearly wants out, and Streit just turned down they're latest offer.

They get Hemmer and Horcs to keep close to the cap floor and our first rounder. Maybe we add something else like a 4th rounder but you get my point. Would the islanders consider something like this and any possibility you think Mac would?

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#68 Quicksilver ballet
June 06 2013, 09:39PM
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Boston Chicago final, not too bad. Should be entertaining.

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#69 westcoastoil
June 06 2013, 09:58PM
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WhattaMike wrote:

To Hall for President....

I agree with JW that Horcoff stays here...albeit not captain anymore...for this next season rather than B. Richards coming here to the Oil.

Worse contract than Horcoff at this time.

That being said...Hey Jonathon...why can't the Oil package Horcoff in a deal.. for Tyutin at Columbus somehow?

Without touching the 7th overall pick to Cloumbus, could the the Oilers could maybe package Horcoff/$1 mil off salary per season and include a defence prospect such as Fedun or Davidson...for Tyutin/2013 3rd to 4th rounder?

I wrote of my other proposed Hemsky/Gernat/7th overall deal prior to this one ....to Philly for 11th overall, Brayden Schenn and the 41st pick...the flip both 2nd rounders to get a later other 1st rounder.... Would that not be too bad JW?

Philly is over the cap - how can they take on Hemsky's $5M?, and they are loaded at RW

JW - Does Hemsky or Horcoff + a pick/prospect and you eat some cash get you Frans Nielsen out of the NYI? - I think they'd be unlikely to part with him but he would be an excellent fit

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#70 madjam
June 06 2013, 09:59PM
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L.A. needs more speed and scoring which Horcoff and Hemsky can bring . Besides they sure seem to like ex Oilers . In return we get Bernier and a third and fourth round draft pick .

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#71 GVBlackhawk
June 06 2013, 10:11PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Yakupov has NOT overtaken Hemsky. He finished strong but the guy's head is in the sand when the puck is not on his stick. I'm all for sending Ales and Shawn down the block but only if legitimate NHL players are coming back.

I also think that Yakupov has passed Hemsky on the depth chart. Yakupov's improvement in his overall game was on clear display in the last month of the season. It took him three months to 'figure it out' and then he caught fire. Coincidently, Steven Stamkos had a near identical rookie season to Yakupov.

Of course, MacT will have to bring in effective players to replace Hemsky (whom I believe is still a really good player) and Horcoff (whose $5.5M cap hit and declining effectiveness necessitates his departure). The same goes for any player that he is replacing.

In my opinion, it is a matter of wanting a different player type in Hemmer's case and a matter of cost efficiency in Horcoff's. A 3C should have a cap hit of $2.5-3.75M depending on the quality of the player. It's a $64.3M world and Horcoff does not fit the bill in Edmonton.

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#72 GVBlackhawk
June 06 2013, 10:13PM
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Plus I have a #10 Yakupov jersey on the wall and can't wait to see him get rid of #64.

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#73 Eddie Shore
June 06 2013, 10:35PM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

I also think that Yakupov has passed Hemsky on the depth chart. Yakupov's improvement in his overall game was on clear display in the last month of the season. It took him three months to 'figure it out' and then he caught fire. Coincidently, Steven Stamkos had a near identical rookie season to Yakupov.

Of course, MacT will have to bring in effective players to replace Hemsky (whom I believe is still a really good player) and Horcoff (whose $5.5M cap hit and declining effectiveness necessitates his departure). The same goes for any player that he is replacing.

In my opinion, it is a matter of wanting a different player type in Hemmer's case and a matter of cost efficiency in Horcoff's. A 3C should have a cap hit of $2.5-3.75M depending on the quality of the player. It's a $64.3M world and Horcoff does not fit the bill in Edmonton.

I don't disagree that he had a great final month. However, I wouldn't go as far as saying he improved his overall game. To me, he hasn't proven yet that he can be consistently relied upon, with AND WITHOUT the puck, for 18 minutes a night. Hopefully that will change come October. Having young guys play in over their heads has hurt this team for the last 5 years.

Anyway, in regards to the article, I think they may end up retaining some salary in order to move him without taking a horrible contract back. Thats probably the only way a "hockey trade" will happen.

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#74 Vicheese
June 06 2013, 10:36PM
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Wizniewski would be a great addition on our blue line. I'd do that trade in a heart-beat.

My gut tells me Horcoff stays, loses his captaincy to Hall, and Hemsky goes--where I don't know.........

I could see Laich leaving Washington, but he's going to be Hesky plus a good prospect.

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#75 WhattaMike
June 06 2013, 10:40PM
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To westcoastoil...

I agree that Philly is over the cap so...I didnt think it out too great on a Brayden Schenn, the 11th overall and 41st overall picks for Hemsky, Gernat and 7th overall.

However, the Oilers maybe say....add Nick Schultz into the package and then take Bryzgalov or Briere off Philly's hands for a buyout.

The Oilers then go after a UFA defenceman like say....Alzner or someone else decent for within that $4 mill offer range at say two yrs.

That still leaves a compliance buyout option for Horcoff or a trade possibility for him.Gagner can also be traded in a package for a top 3rd line centre or... then be fit into 3rd line centre status .with Paajarvi and Hartikainen

The Oil then would have Schenn (2nd line trial), the Oil can go for Ristolainen or Pulock or Muelleror Hagg at 11th overall, and still also next make a play deal with the two 2nd rounders they'd bnow have to go for 24th to 30th in the first round to get Comrie/Jarry/Saros....

Just thinking about this as one possibility...

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#76 Quicksilver ballet
June 06 2013, 10:41PM
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madjam wrote:

L.A. needs more speed and scoring which Horcoff and Hemsky can bring . Besides they sure seem to like ex Oilers . In return we get Bernier and a third and fourth round draft pick .

Might want to re think that. They had only 32 pts combined last season, on a team with max minutes. How's that going to help the Kings, playing behind Kopitar and Richards and Jarred Stoll?

Be fortunate to get a second rounder for each, and only then, if the Oilers took on half their salaries. Dump them at the first opportunity, or they'll be setting the pace here again next season to another 25th place finish.

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#78 GVBlackhawk
June 06 2013, 10:52PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

I don't disagree that he had a great final month. However, I wouldn't go as far as saying he improved his overall game. To me, he hasn't proven yet that he can be consistently relied upon, with AND WITHOUT the puck, for 18 minutes a night. Hopefully that will change come October. Having young guys play in over their heads has hurt this team for the last 5 years.

Anyway, in regards to the article, I think they may end up retaining some salary in order to move him without taking a horrible contract back. Thats probably the only way a "hockey trade" will happen.

If the Oilers have to retain salary to make a 'hockey trade' then I think that is reasonable.

It would definitely be preferable to trade them and receive assets in return. It would also allow the team to use the compliance buyouts on Belanger and Eager.

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#83 T__Bone88
June 06 2013, 11:06PM
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Would a Hemsky for Meszaros work out for both teams? might have to retain 500k-$1000000 for hemsky's cap hit but having meszaros helps with the oilers need of a left handed defenseman. If hypothetically the oilers did trade for Dipietro to acquire their 1st rounder this year and did a normal buy out, Hall and Eberle will be on the verge of retirement by the time his $1.5 million cap hit would be off the books...ouch!

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#84 Quicksilver ballet
June 06 2013, 11:20PM
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@Jonathan Willis

Even at that bargain basement price. He'll still be wearing an Oiler jersey this fall, because MacT couldn't find any takers. If he does go, it'll be from one bottom feeder to another. Good to see someone in the Oilers organization finally facing reality.

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#86 Quicksilver ballet
June 06 2013, 11:56PM
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We shall soon see, sir.

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#87 Quicksilver ballet
June 07 2013, 12:15AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I think the Islanders are very open to moving DiPietro and paying for it, but that buyout is going to cost $24 million. Daryl Katz is rich, but is he willing to spend $24 million to get some good young players? I don't know, but I'd be surprised.

It is one of very few options available for bringing established players into B markets like Edmonton. Buying players, or RFA offer sheets. Who cares about the optics of how a player is aquired.

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#88 DoubleJ
June 07 2013, 01:02AM
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What about Stastny for Horcoff? Honestly I think it could work. Colorado is set for 1st and 2nd line center. Horcoff has a high cap hit but low salary. Stastny has a high salary cap and salary, but would be a great 2nd line center for the oilers.

Might have to add to the deal to make it work. But he would be great addition to the team.

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#89 Jay Feaster
June 07 2013, 01:38AM
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I'd trade you matt stajan for horcoff and a 2nd (to cover the difference in salary)

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#90 Walter Sobchak
June 07 2013, 02:14AM
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Reading between the lines here.

I have no doubt the Oilers will be moving up in the draft.

The Oilers will need that center in the draft to play immediately, I know of only Barkov and MacKinnon as sure bet to play the up coming year.

I have to think Carolina is a really good team to trade with.

The Oilers might trade with CBJ but it won't be Umberger.

Umberger has a NTC he's locked down.

I would believe that MacTavish would want Dubinsky a LW/C that has term and is younger over Umberger.

I wouldn't discount Anaheim as a possible destination for Horcoff or Hemsky

Emerson Etem might have serious appeal as would the Ducks first round pick.

I can also see Hemsky playing very well in Detroit, question is can Mac-T shake that first free?

Whatever happens if we trade Horcoff some type of center has to be coming back.

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#91 rubbertrout
June 07 2013, 09:43AM
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If we traded for Laich I think Wanye might be pretty pissed.

Wasn't there going to be something in the new CBA that put the cap hit for retiring players back on the team that signed them as opposed to the team that traded for them? Am I missing something here?

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#92 The Beaker
June 07 2013, 09:47AM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

If the Oilers have to retain salary to make a 'hockey trade' then I think that is reasonable.

It would definitely be preferable to trade them and receive assets in return. It would also allow the team to use the compliance buyouts on Belanger and Eager.

no need to buy out Eager. 0.

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#93 DrDave
June 07 2013, 09:55AM
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I'm going to trust that MacT has a plan here to make this team better by dangling these guys. It's also funny how they want to get rid of all remaining members of the 06 playoff team (player wise) but bring people back management wise.

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#94 DrDave
June 07 2013, 09:56AM
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JW - Rumors that Malkin could be made available. Would Pit entertain Horc, #7 pick, 2014 1st for Malkin??

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#95 Oiler Al
June 07 2013, 10:14AM
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I know this might sound absurd,but Sportsnet Hockey Central at Noon,had a journalist on the air from Pittsburgh, and he suggested that if the team didnt make it to the finals there could be a major shake down ! He suggested as drastic as trading Letang.! The only un touchables were Sidney and Malkin.

Hemsky, #7, and prospect for Letang, who is a UFA next year making around $ 3 million.Would be up to MacT to resign him to a new deal.

If Letang is pie in the sky, then perhaps Martin, or even James Neal.

You'll never be "big" if you dont think big.

MacT said,bold, well this is bold.

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#96 Quicksilver ballet
June 07 2013, 11:14AM
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@Oiler Al

Meh, on Letang. He doesn't seem the type that'll help lift the play of his partners in crime. Edmonton needs a dominant guy who'll lead by example. Not sure Letang falls into that category. Not much different than Tom Gilbert, if he had played on a good team.

Pittsburgh looks to be in a little trouble on their back end.

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#99 Quicksilver ballet
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

It's not about optics. It's about whether blowing $24 million is worth the payoff.

You're off your game there JW.

That's what I just said. Who cares about the optics, it's all about plundering someone elses players.

It's only noon and you've checked out mentally for the weekend already. Enjoy your suds then.

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