TEN YEARS AFTER!

Lowetide
June 09 2013 12:35PM

Ten years ago, on a cold dark night, the Edmonton Oilers chose poorly in a deep, deep draft. It has cost them for a decade, as other teams gathered one, two even three important parts of their foundation while the Oilers watched their picks fade away.

There are some saying the 2013 entry draft is the strongest since 2003. A repeat of the performance of one decade ago must be avoided at all costs.

WHAT HAPPENED IN 2003

It is a credit to the OilersNation fanbase that I don't need to spend much time on 2003--we all know the story. However, a brief summary is in order:

  • The Oilers traded down in the first round, dealing #17 (Lou Lamoriello would select Zack Parise) for #22 (Marc Pouliot, who contracted everything but polio after being drafted) and #68 (Jean-Francois Jacques, who skated like the wind but spent his pro career far away from the puck--I think he had some kind of allergy to rubber). Not only did they miss Parise, but Ryan Getlzaf, Ryan Kesler, Mike Richards and Corey Perry would also be selected in this first round). "We didn't even have a name tag for him because we didn't think he'd be there" said Lamoriello about Parise.
  • The Oilers chose Colin McDonald from a second tier USA league (EJHL) with the 51st selection. Chicago picked Corey Crawford with the next selection and St. Louis chose David Backes 11 picks later.
  • Mike Comrie's situation was months from being resolved.
  • Deep in the 2003 draft, 214th overall, came the good news of the day: Kyle Brodziak, a player Oilers scout Lorne Davis wanted to draft a year earlier, finally became an Oiler.

TEN YEARS GONE

Let's review the results of the 2003 draft:

  • #22 C Marc Pouliot (192, 21-36-57)
  • #51 R Colin McDonald (52, 8-10-18)
  • #68 L J-F Jacques (166, 9-8-17)

This year, Edmonton once again has three picks in the first two rounds and one hopes they'll do miles better.

THIRTY-SEVEN

  • #37 overall. The Favorite--C Ryan Hartman. Redline loves him too, saying that he's a real 'prick' to play against. Certainly has enough skill to play on a skill line moving forward.
  • #37 overall. The Trending Player--D Chris Bigras, Corey Pronman says:

FIFTY-SIX

  • #56 overall. The Favorite--G Tristan Jarry. They know the player, his SP is all-world and he is absolutely one of the best goaltenders available in the draft. Hard to argue against this selection (outside of 'draft for need').
  • #56 overall. The Trending Player--R Michael McCarron. Big PF type, brother of Oilers pick from a year ago (John McCarron) and Prongman tells us his story:

SAW HIM GOOD--THE SCOUTING REPORT

We don't know the Oilers list--I think there's a very good chance that Edmonton deals #7 overall based on reports (the most recent being a Bob McKenzie tweet from last night). The key item is make those picks count. Stu MacGregor and his crew have three bullets early (currently) and need to make them count.

I'm absolutely certain they have something more sophisticated than "I love redheads" as a scouting report, and am confident they'll deliver quality. That 2003 draft can serve as a cautionary tale, though. Trust your board, examine injury history, understand tier 2 is tier 2 and perhaps the fastest, biggest guy should also be skilled too.

We're three weeks away. It's going to be a thrill ride this summer, with the entry draft the top of the mountain.

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#1 stretch14
June 09 2013, 01:43PM
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This is why you don't trade down! Look at all the all-stars scattered around MAP in that '03 draft. And did the pick we acquired to trade down turn into anything? Nope.

Trade the pick for a significant roster player or take the BPA on your list at #7. Whether that be Monahan, Nurse, Lindholm or whoever else. Don't try and get all cute just to bugger things up again trying to prove you're the smartest guys on the draft floor.

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#2 Wax Man Riley
June 09 2013, 01:51PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Prick, now there's a word not heard in these part for a lot of years when it comes to describing Oiler players.

Time to put the pirate gear in the next couple weeks and jump onto someone else's ship to rape, pillage and plunder. Tallon, Yzerman, Poile and Rutherford should all be getting stalked by the Oilers by now.

To heck with all these plan B guys the Oilers figure they can get. Sell the farm and aim for MacKinnon/Barkov and Darnell Nurse. Edmonton can still take a shot at the usual suspects come July 5th.

Which farm are we selling?

Hall? Eberle? I doubt a package of anything we have can get a #1 or #2 pick.

Take BPA. scour free agency, Europe, and trades.

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#3 Jerod
June 09 2013, 02:03PM
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@madjam

Nurse would be Oilers pick not Ristolainen if they pick a D

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#4 Spydyr
June 09 2013, 01:50PM
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stretch14 wrote:

This is why you don't trade down! Look at all the all-stars scattered around MAP in that '03 draft. And did the pick we acquired to trade down turn into anything? Nope.

Trade the pick for a significant roster player or take the BPA on your list at #7. Whether that be Monahan, Nurse, Lindholm or whoever else. Don't try and get all cute just to bugger things up again trying to prove you're the smartest guys on the draft floor.

I think that last few years have proven the Oiler management team are not the smartest at anything.From owner on down.

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#6 FSD
June 09 2013, 02:34PM
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@madjam

You must be an expert with blanket statements like this

" Both Ristolainen and Lindhom are can't miss NHLers of note down the line ."

I wonder why you are posting here, you should be a head scout in the NHL. Or maybe a fortune teller.

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#7 revingev
June 09 2013, 02:58PM
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I have to agree. Nurse is in the scope of the Oilers for a defensemen not Ristolainen. They want a centre as a priority but if not after Seth Jones Nurse is the man. Would be willing to give away 20 bucks if they picked the Fin at the 7 slot. He is good but does not show high end signs of a top 4 defensemen in the next 4 years time in my opinion.

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#8 Muji
June 09 2013, 03:59PM
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Not only did the Oilers pick wrong on draft day (Pouliot #22, Colin McDonald #51, JF Jacques #68), they also acquired many failed 2003 prospects in the years afterwards, wasting resources and time.

This list includes: - Robert Nilsson (#15) - Shawn Belle (#30) - Ryan Stone (#32) - Patrick O'Sullivan (#56)

7 players that were taken in the 1st and 2nd round of the 2003 draft have passed through the Oilers organization and only 1 (Colin McDonald) has found employment in the NHL (obviously not with the Oilers!).

By my count, about 20-25 of the 1st and 2nd rounders turned into ELITE NHLers; many more turned into regular NHLers. It takes bad luck to miss out on one of those elite players. It takes total incompetence to miss out on even 1 regular NHLer!

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#9 wiseguy
June 09 2013, 04:43PM
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Norm wrote:

I will be very disappointed if Mact moves the 7th pick. That tactic has always failed the Oil before and that is why the team is in a mess now. Impatience has yet to show positve results for the Oil. I know the new GM said recently he is impatient. I just hope that organizational impatience doesn't manifest itself this draft year. Rome wasn't built in a day and if Oiler ownership and management want to be where Chicago, Boston, L.A. and Pitt are today they will stop trying to outguess the scouts and pick the best player available...damn it!!

This loser mentality of fans and talking heads touting trade this player trade that player, move down in the draft makes me nuts.

Steve, is that you???

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#10 Walter Sobchak
June 09 2013, 05:38PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Anyone not part of the fab 5. There has to be something there, along with the 7th selection, that would allow them to move up a few spots.

Think MacTavish has a shine on for MacKinnon. Here's to hoping he's a motivated buyer at the draft in a couple weeks.

Here's hoping he does Quick, for three years we've been telling them to sell the farm and move up, get another pick inside the top 5.

This IS the year to sell the farm, get rid of everything not nailed down.

Barkov or MacKinnon with a side order of Horvat would do us fine thank you!

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#11 shea78
June 09 2013, 08:20PM
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MarcusBillius wrote:

Messier? Please. Man wants nothing to do with Edmonton. There was an article here a while ago saying that Messier was offered the head coaching job before Krueger, by Lowe, and Messier declined due to "family reasons".

Besides, do we really want a guy who has never coached at any level behind our bench? Really? The only thing the Messier story did was to confirm to anyone who's been following events that Kevin Lowe has apparently suffered multiple undiagnosed concussions and shouldn't be allowed to make any decisions more serious than "fork or spoon", and even then should probably settle for a spork.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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#12 TayLordBalls
June 09 2013, 12:49PM
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knowing who to draft is either a serious talent or major luck.

personally, I would just use a Ouija board.

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#13 Quicksilver ballet
June 09 2013, 01:06PM
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Prick, now there's a word not heard in these part for a lot of years when it comes to describing Oiler players.

Time to put the pirate gear in the next couple weeks and jump onto someone else's ship to rape, pillage and plunder. Tallon, Yzerman, Poile and Rutherford should all be getting stalked by the Oilers by now.

To heck with all these plan B guys the Oilers figure they can get. Sell the farm and aim for MacKinnon/Barkov and Darnell Nurse. Edmonton can still take a shot at the usual suspects come July 5th.

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#14 oilgreg
June 09 2013, 01:08PM
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I saw Horvat play in Saskatoon, and came away under-impressed. In comparing him and Lazar, I would say Lazar; 1. Is much faster (ie. much quicker getting to the d-men on the forcheck).

2. Has a higher offensive ceiling. Yes, Horvat did score plenty this year, but he also was playing with a pretty good set-up guy).

3. Is harder to play against. While Horvat is certainly tough to knock off the puck, it is Lazar who is the one most likely to finish his checks.

I hope the Oilers DO NOT trade back in the draft, but if they do, it should be Lazar and not Horvat that is the target.

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#16 bumboclate(In MacT we trust!)
June 09 2013, 01:19PM
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I hope that mbs doesnt mess this up. we will see how good he really is. U cant really miss with first overall picks.

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#17 Mark-LW
June 09 2013, 01:22PM
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"This year, Edmonton once again has three picks in the first round"

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#18 oilgreg
June 09 2013, 01:34PM
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Lowetide wrote:

oilgreg: I prefer Lazar to Horvat as well, but wonder if the organization feels the same way. I think they could deal down to #13 and get one or the other, and that may be exactly what happens.

This sounds strategy sounds too much like 2003 for my liking.

If you by the theory that the winner of the trade is the one with the best player (worked well for Pollock), then it would be the holder of the 7th pick who would have the best player.

That is assuming the Oilers don't get a >27 year-old top six forward or top-four d-man in the deal to trade back, and I don't see that happening.

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#19 oilgreg
June 09 2013, 01:35PM
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This strategy sounds too much like 2003 for my liking.

If you go by the theory that the winner of the trade is the one with the best player (worked well for Pollock), then it would be the holder of the 7th pick who would have the best player.

That is assuming the Oilers don't get a >27 year-old top six forward or top-four d-man in the deal to trade back, and I don't see that happening.

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#20 madjam
June 09 2013, 01:49PM
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If Flames don,t take Lindhom then we do . Second choice is Ristolainen . Forwards with skill are hard to get , but defenceman with speed , skill , size and grit are even harder to get-thus Ristolainen makes most sense for MacT.'s template . Both Ristolainen and Lindhom are can't miss NHLers of note down the line .

Second round has sleepers in abundance and maybe the round to get heavyweights even though that could be a repeat loss again . I'd prefer taking a chance on Slepychev -whom was rated 17th a year ago but never drafted due to circumstances . Have a feeling we already have a goalie of significance coming without having to draft another one . No preference on 55 -other than a specialist type might be in order .

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#21 madjam
June 09 2013, 02:08PM
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The buy out market should have some attractive players for hire , exceeding the normal UFA market . It should be flooded this year as each team can perform up to 2 buyouts in this one time shot . There's bound to see some surprises and possible bargains there . I can't imagine each team not using both to be honest as each team has contracts i'm sure they would like to remove . Possible 58 players up for grabs ?

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#22 FSD
June 09 2013, 02:12PM
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So much could happen , the draft will answer some questions. They may move up for Barkov they may take their 7th pick or move down. They could make a trade for a center ie. Couturier.

MacT did say they would like a cente of Dman.

So Barkov Monahan Lindholm Horvat and Lazar could all be in play.

Sounds like Nurse would be their pick at 7 if they wanted a Dman.

I presume they will get their ducks in order so they can make the move if they want to at the draft.

Tick Tock

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#23 Serious Gord
June 09 2013, 02:13PM
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Not sure if you intended it or not Lowetide, but the phrase "ten years ago on a cold dark night" is the first line of one of my favorite songs originally sung by one of the best and most influential country vocalists ever:

http://youtu.be/50k18gL76AU

Lefty Frizzell - the long black veil.

Golden.

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#24 oilers2k10
June 09 2013, 02:13PM
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I just don't like the idea of trading the 7th pick..you will always get a better player at 7 than at 15, why risk it? If one of Lindholm, Ristolainen, Monahan, or Nichushkin is available (and one of them will be) then you pick that player, forget about moving down. Get a second 1st round pick by trading someone not in the long term plans.

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#25 Mooseroni
June 09 2013, 02:13PM
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Not sure if this hurt us for ten years...wouldn't have gotten 3 first round picks out of this, same thing if Heatly was around here

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#26 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
June 09 2013, 02:23PM
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Trade the pick for a roster player? ......maybe, if you get the right player......otherwise....MAKE THE PICK AT 7th !!!!

But don't trade down........just like you don't want to be in a 2 for 1 trade where your sending one and getting two back.......you don't want to give up a 7th to get a 16th and a 24th......

So either trade the farm ( Justin Schultz, the 7th, and Pajaarvi) for Peiterangelo...or take BPA at 7 !!!

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#27 Rondo
June 09 2013, 02:25PM
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One thing regarding Darnell Nurse is he played on the 2nd pairing on the PP he got 25% of the time on the PP because the Hounds had two of the best D-men (including the CHL d-man of the year) running the top unit. Meaning next year his numbers should jump when he is on the 1st unit.

I not saying Oilers will take him at 7 if there is a center they want. But if it is a Dman Nurse will be the pick unless Carolina takes him

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#28 madjam
June 09 2013, 02:40PM
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Jerod wrote:

Nurse would be Oilers pick not Ristolainen if they pick a D

Not likely , and i'll leave it at that .

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#29 The Oilers Shot Clock
June 09 2013, 03:05PM
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Where would Hall, Nuge and Nail rank in this draft in their respective draft years?...

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#30 Taylor Gang
June 09 2013, 03:13PM
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Mark-LW wrote:

"This year, Edmonton once again has three picks in the first round"

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First two, read the fine print

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#31 Supernova
June 09 2013, 03:21PM
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oilgreg wrote:

This sounds strategy sounds too much like 2003 for my liking.

If you by the theory that the winner of the trade is the one with the best player (worked well for Pollock), then it would be the holder of the 7th pick who would have the best player.

That is assuming the Oilers don't get a >27 year-old top six forward or top-four d-man in the deal to trade back, and I don't see that happening.

I like Button's comments on Horvat, in that he can most likely play anywhere on your forward line up aside from your top line. Also Horvat has to date played a lot more "true Center" then Lazar. Lazar is also a low risk pick, although more likely to end up as a wing than as a Center but probably has a higher goal scoring upside. Also the slight difference between A left shot and a right shot.

If its me and I have the choice between the two of them ( at a lower pick like 13) I go with Horvat. But would be pleased with either at a lower pick. This type of player is exactly what the oilers where missing this year. They are the Dubinsky types of the future.

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#32 Walter Sobchak
June 09 2013, 03:24PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

Which farm are we selling?

Hall? Eberle? I doubt a package of anything we have can get a #1 or #2 pick.

Take BPA. scour free agency, Europe, and trades.

Why do you have assume Hall - Eberle or any of the kids?

Would the 7th, Petry and Paajarvi move you up?

Would Gagner and Marincin move you up?

Would Smid , Hemsky and Horcoff move you up?

Would Smid and 2014 first move you up.

Not that I would do any of those trades, but here's the thing.

Petry,Smid, Gagner, Hemsky,Horcoff have all been mentioned to be available to move.

I'm seriously sceptical right now that the Oilers could make a coherent sentence but IF MacTavish is serious about improving the team then why not move up a secure a elite center?

Or at least trade for one.

Time will tell, lots of holes to fill.

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#33 Walter Sobchak
June 09 2013, 03:29PM
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Supernova wrote:

I like Button's comments on Horvat, in that he can most likely play anywhere on your forward line up aside from your top line. Also Horvat has to date played a lot more "true Center" then Lazar. Lazar is also a low risk pick, although more likely to end up as a wing than as a Center but probably has a higher goal scoring upside. Also the slight difference between A left shot and a right shot.

If its me and I have the choice between the two of them ( at a lower pick like 13) I go with Horvat. But would be pleased with either at a lower pick. This type of player is exactly what the oilers where missing this year. They are the Dubinsky types of the future.

Not to jump in here but I completely agree with this.

I said this prior to the MEM cup, watch Horvat vs Lazar then tell me who's better, I got to watch Horvat a lot.

Lazar will be a RW, Horvat is a shut down center, a Horcoff 2.0 with an edge.

Not only that Horvat is a idiot savant in the face off circle....amazing.

Except Horvat will be gone before 13.

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#34 Norm
June 09 2013, 03:50PM
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I will be very disappointed if Mact moves the 7th pick. That tactic has always failed the Oil before and that is why the team is in a mess now. Impatience has yet to show positve results for the Oil. I know the new GM said recently he is impatient. I just hope that organizational impatience doesn't manifest itself this draft year. Rome wasn't built in a day and if Oiler ownership and management want to be where Chicago, Boston, L.A. and Pitt are today they will stop trying to outguess the scouts and pick the best player available...damn it!!

This loser mentality of fans and talking heads touting trade this player trade that player, move down in the draft makes me nuts.

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#35 madjam
June 09 2013, 04:23PM
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revingev wrote:

I have to agree. Nurse is in the scope of the Oilers for a defensemen not Ristolainen. They want a centre as a priority but if not after Seth Jones Nurse is the man. Would be willing to give away 20 bucks if they picked the Fin at the 7 slot. He is good but does not show high end signs of a top 4 defensemen in the next 4 years time in my opinion.

Lets review what Corey Pronman and Hockey Perspectives has to say about Nurse .Lowetide seems familiar with Pronmans work . Winnipeg might consider him themselves as the have him projected at 11 . I'll simplify it .

Nurse : "He'll not be a dynamic offensive threat . Perhaps second unit point man . Sizeable , dependable ,tradeable like B.Coburn . Both left handed and made waves in draft season with smooth skating and size .Coburn's scoring in draft year was bad as well 37,19,30 and 44 - Nurses was 41 this year but only 10 last year . Possibly they see him down the road as a replacement for Ron Hainsey . Nurse has a below average shot . Not bad but I think we can do better than that .

Here's one Winnipeg is talking about that deserves maybe some consideration as well : Ryan Pulock . Nice size and R.Handed defenceman @ 210 lbs.. : Elite level shot and keen offensive skills and projected to be a top pairing defenseman . Comparison to J.Carlson . As 17yeaar old had a whopping 60 points - an elite power player as well as is his decision making and shot . Pulock may give Jets flexibility to move Byfuglien in time . Pulock and Trouba as a top pair could be exceptional in 2018 . I haven't even got onto Ristolainen as yet , but that should be enough to wet some of your appetites for now .

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#36 Trufflepig
June 09 2013, 04:29PM
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I used to be opposed to trading the 7th pick because of the poor history that the Oilers have had of drafting later in the draft.

That being said if we look back at the 2003 draft there were 21 Allstars in the first two rounds, http://bit.ly/161m2ol. If you can put more bullets in your revolver you just increase your chances of grabbing more impact players.

I'd still prefer to trade up or not at all, but it seems like a decent option to trade down for more picks in the top 60.

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#37 Sliderule
June 09 2013, 04:53PM
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If the top centers are gone at no7 and they pass on Horvat I fear it will come back and bite them in the butt.

Horvat was MVP of OHL playoffs and had a solid M cup.

He is rated number two in face-offs in OHL just behind Monahan who is six months older.

I would say they are close to equal in potential.

It's easy to lose focus when as in 2003 there look like lots of good picks.As before that's when it can hurt you if you think their all equal.They won't be.

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#38 Quicksilver ballet
June 09 2013, 05:09PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

Which farm are we selling?

Hall? Eberle? I doubt a package of anything we have can get a #1 or #2 pick.

Take BPA. scour free agency, Europe, and trades.

Anyone not part of the fab 5. There has to be something there, along with the 7th selection, that would allow them to move up a few spots.

Think MacTavish has a shine on for MacKinnon. Here's to hoping he's a motivated buyer at the draft in a couple weeks.

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#39 Jasper
June 09 2013, 05:19PM
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madjam wrote:

Lets review what Corey Pronman and Hockey Perspectives has to say about Nurse .Lowetide seems familiar with Pronmans work . Winnipeg might consider him themselves as the have him projected at 11 . I'll simplify it .

Nurse : "He'll not be a dynamic offensive threat . Perhaps second unit point man . Sizeable , dependable ,tradeable like B.Coburn . Both left handed and made waves in draft season with smooth skating and size .Coburn's scoring in draft year was bad as well 37,19,30 and 44 - Nurses was 41 this year but only 10 last year . Possibly they see him down the road as a replacement for Ron Hainsey . Nurse has a below average shot . Not bad but I think we can do better than that .

Here's one Winnipeg is talking about that deserves maybe some consideration as well : Ryan Pulock . Nice size and R.Handed defenceman @ 210 lbs.. : Elite level shot and keen offensive skills and projected to be a top pairing defenseman . Comparison to J.Carlson . As 17yeaar old had a whopping 60 points - an elite power player as well as is his decision making and shot . Pulock may give Jets flexibility to move Byfuglien in time . Pulock and Trouba as a top pair could be exceptional in 2018 . I haven't even got onto Ristolainen as yet , but that should be enough to wet some of your appetites for now .

Lets see what Craig Buttons rated Rasmus Ristolainen #25

ISS ranked Rasmus Ristolainen #11

Central scouting international has him #4

The list goes on.

BTW Corey Pronman is not a scout.

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#40 Rondo
June 09 2013, 05:24PM
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Good interview with Darnell Nurse

http://www.thepipelineshow.com/clips/season_8/Darnell_Nurse_Oct20.mp3

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#41 Supernova
June 09 2013, 05:35PM
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@Walter Sobchak

I would agree that Horvat is most likely gone by 13 as well.

I think if you look at the draft from where Buffalo sits, they will be in on either Lazar or Horvat. They too want a Center with size just like Edmonton, after years of drafting smaller FWD's they also want to get bigger. The difference is their two best young FWD's are Grigerenko and Girgensons are Centers with decent size. In saying this they might be even more desperate to move up then edmonton to get a true top line talent or even Monahan. They also have quality picks this year to convince a team to move down.

I really think the oilers should go full out for Barkov, failing that I would prepare to move back a few picks and try to grab one of Horvat or Lazar and a late first early 2 and pick up a Hartman or Rychel.

In saying that I truly think MacT will be outright trading the pick for immediate help.

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#42 Supernova
June 09 2013, 05:37PM
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@Jasper

Central scouting splits it between North America and Europe so there is really no telling where central has him on a aggregate list, could be mid-teens.

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#43 Jasper
June 09 2013, 05:44PM
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@Supernova

Redline and McKeen's has Nurse ahead of Rasmus in their rankings also.

If Madjam wants to get into numbers it not even close , he is using 1 opinion and it has become his bible.

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#44 Walter Sobchak
June 09 2013, 05:44PM
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Supernova wrote:

I would agree that Horvat is most likely gone by 13 as well.

I think if you look at the draft from where Buffalo sits, they will be in on either Lazar or Horvat. They too want a Center with size just like Edmonton, after years of drafting smaller FWD's they also want to get bigger. The difference is their two best young FWD's are Grigerenko and Girgensons are Centers with decent size. In saying this they might be even more desperate to move up then edmonton to get a true top line talent or even Monahan. They also have quality picks this year to convince a team to move down.

I really think the oilers should go full out for Barkov, failing that I would prepare to move back a few picks and try to grab one of Horvat or Lazar and a late first early 2 and pick up a Hartman or Rychel.

In saying that I truly think MacT will be outright trading the pick for immediate help.

Well, I like your thinking my good friend! I couldn't have said that better.

Everything you just said.

Buffalo is a worry.

I'm afraid Buffalo scoops the Oilers too, genuine fear.

That's why I have to think the Oilers have to be ultra aggressive, people may not like what goes out the door.

Cost of doing business.

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#45 Rama Lama
June 09 2013, 05:46PM
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All of these super hockey experts, media guys, professional scouts, and management people around the NHL usually get the draft right about 50% of the time.

It usually comes down to listening to everyone who has an opinion and then cross your fingers and select a player that is considered the best of what is left.

I would add one thing select the best available player based on need and the "prick factor", or someone who everyone else hates to play against.

Then corss your fingers and hope you did'nt select the next Marc Puliot.

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#46 Racki
June 09 2013, 05:52PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Well, I like your thinking my good friend! I couldn't have said that better.

Everything you just said.

Buffalo is a worry.

I'm afraid Buffalo scoops the Oilers too, genuine fear.

That's why I have to think the Oilers have to be ultra aggressive, people may not like what goes out the door.

Cost of doing business.

More writing this to say I get where you were coming from with your last post in the Horcoff to a contender thread...

I will say that the 2nd last line there is why I like MacTavish, as he seems like he'll be aggressive and not be scared to upset the fanbase with every little tweak he does.

Actions do speak louder than words though, but I think MacT will live up to this boldness he speaks of.. just hopefully it pays off.

On another note, Bob Stauffer tweeted that the Oilers are going to have a meeting with the Pro Scouts. This has been a huge area of weakness... I am hoping for some new minds in here, and some old minds out.. at least with the north american group.

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#47 madjam
June 09 2013, 05:57PM
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I'd take into account MacKenzie , but not Button . I like Monohan as well at 7th in case anyone wants to know . I just feel Oilers might prefer to take another "safe prospect " (Hockey Futures projection of Monohan and Ristolainen )for a defenseman this time around . Hockey Futures rates top six as NHL all stars or better , and obviously I'd be happy if we maybe got one of them .

I am not a fan of Horvat at all . Without the puck the kid is lost . One way hockey player made to look good by the terrific two way play of Domi . A floater coming back - needs time to develop a two way game .

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#48 Stupendous Man
June 09 2013, 06:13PM
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stretch14 wrote:

This is why you don't trade down! Look at all the all-stars scattered around MAP in that '03 draft. And did the pick we acquired to trade down turn into anything? Nope.

Trade the pick for a significant roster player or take the BPA on your list at #7. Whether that be Monahan, Nurse, Lindholm or whoever else. Don't try and get all cute just to bugger things up again trying to prove you're the smartest guys on the draft floor.

The problem wasn't trading down . . . the problem was trading down and not choosing Richards, Kesler or Perry over Pouliot. There are too many guys in this year's draft that exactly fit the bill of the type of player the Oilers have been needing/coveting for years for the Oilers not to trade down. These types of players (skill/size/grit combinations) are extremely hard to acquire outside the draft (especially for a market like Edmonton in this day and age of no trade clauses). They were obligated to take BPA with the first overall pick in recent years. Unlike previous drafts -- where there was only one Samuelsson or one McNeill -- there are plenty of options for the Oilers here without having to resort to a reach pick. Frankly, I'm looking forward to the Oilers finally being able to take the guys they truly want instead of the players they're supposed to take.

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#49 vetinari
June 09 2013, 06:18PM
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2003 was dismal... As for 2013, I doubt that we have the ammo to trade up, but out of the prospects likely to be on the board at #7, either take one of the centres or go for Nurse-- that guy is going to be a monster to play against... Imagine a D where we have Marincin, Klefbom, Jr. Scultz and Nurse cruising around -- potentially deadly!

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#50 etownman
June 09 2013, 06:19PM
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Wow, that was one great night watching the 'Woodstock' pic at the Drive In doing what we used to do at the Drive In! Thanks for that! As far as I can remember everything sounded fantastic at the time on those silly little speakers!

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