Great Expectations

Jonathan Willis
July 01 2013 11:29AM

There has been some significant backlash from Edmonton Oilers fans, both here and elsewhere, following a draft that fell somewhat short of Craig MacTavish’s lofty goals going in. How much is justified?

Pre-Draft

When MacTavish was introduced as the new general manager of the Oilers, there was mixed reaction, which makes sense given his long history with Edmonton’s fans and the animosity many felt during his time as coach. He did say all the right things, though, and implicitly contrasted himself to predecessor Steve Tambellini with comments like this one:

I’m an impatient guy, and I bring that impatience to this situation. I think that we’re at the stage in terms of the cycle of our hockey club right now that we have to do some bold things. We have to expose ourselves to some semblance of risk to try and move the team forward in a rapid fashion. My sense, and my analysis from watching the team over the last number of months is much the same as a lot of people’s analysis of our team. We need greater depth, we’ve got a lot of great primary pieces.

Asked if there could be as many as eight new Oilers, MacTavish said, “I think that’s fair. There’s going to be some significant and meaningful change for sure.”

Comments in that vein all down the line, combined with media- (and, yes, blog-)driven hype and rumours served to push expectations sky high. Lots of players were available for the right offer. The Oilers were linked all over, to goalies and forwards and defencemen, and the feeling going in was that the Oilers would come out of the draft looking substantially different than when they entered it.

Dud

In the larger picture, it’s worth noting that such hype was particularly strong in Edmonton, but it wasn’t confined to the Oilers; lots of teams hoped to be able to do something at the draft. But in the grand scheme of things, the draft was a dud. Cory Schneider went to New Jersey for a fraction of the cost Vancouver would have charged Edmonton. Cal Clutterbuck went to Brooklyn at the cost of former fifth overall pick Nino Niederreiter. Andrej Sekera cost both a pretty good defenceman (Jamie McBain) and the 35th overall pick.

The best, and perhaps only, bargain of the day was likely San Jose’s acquisition of Tyler Kennedy for a second round draft pick.

Should the Oilers have given Vancouver their asking price for Schneider – reportedly the 7th overall, a second round pick and a young NHL-ready player? Should they have swapped Magnus Paajarvi for Cal Clutterbuck? I’d answer an emphatic ‘no’ to both, and that’s just how it is: the trade prices were too high to get anything done.

So, while superficially the draft was a dud, in this case “dud” was likely better than the alternative.

Reality

Unfortunately, this leaves Craig MacTavish in virtually the same place he entered the draft: in need of making significant changes to his hockey team. The defence and the bottom six needs to be overhauled. Players like Ales Hemsky and Shawn Horcoff are still on the team; if Craig MacTavish has prioritized moving them than they still need to go (though at this point, it is fair to wonder if the Oilers really are best-served by moving them). The same is true in net, where Devan Dubnyk offers Edmonton a perfectly serviceable number one goalie in the prime of his career; the Oilers appear to want an elite goaltender and if that’s a priority for them they will need to find it somewhere else. The big left winger the team covets still needs to be found as well.

There is time to do these things, but the draft was expected to be a significant opportunity, and it is definitely a bad thing for the team that the opportunity turned out to be only a mirage. The next big step is free agency, and the post-free agency trades for teams that didn’t land their preferred targets. The Oilers can’t afford to go through those periods without making significant changes.

Recently around the Nation Network

The Oilers draft may have been quiet, but the Calgary Flames' certainly was not. The decision to pass on Hunter Shinkaruk and instead pick Emile Poirier was widely critiqued, but the Flames' 67th overall pick drew some negative attention, too:

After round 1, there isn't much to talk about. Feaster failed to nab any other early-to-mid picks so it's even more baffling that the organization decided to use their lone choice between 30-100 on man mountain Keegan Kanzig. The 6'7", 240+ pound defender, by all accounts, is a guy who can't really skate, can't handle the puck and has no offense to speak of. He was ranked in the 190's amongst North American skaters by Central Scouting. Corey Pronman didn't rank him in the top-100 either.

Click the link to read more, or alternately, feel free check out some of my other pieces here:

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 TwoFace
July 01 2013, 11:34AM
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Happy Canada Day!

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#2 **
July 01 2013, 12:52PM
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The way I see it, Mac T, while not swinging the ball out of the park, did move forward on his plan by draft day:

-He signed Anton Belov, the best defender in the KHL, he beat other teams to it. You win some you lose some,we know of a couple of deals that didn't work, but this one he got.

-He got picks back that were wasted by tambellini on Jerred Smithson and Fistric. Wasted because they did not help the team move forward and cost part of the future. In this regard Mac T did a great job by multiplying his number of pics without giving up any assets. At the end of the day after the first round the chances guys make an impact drop significantly. So trading down for more picks is reasonable as it increases the odds of getting someone who pans out.

-He got the coaching staff ready by draft day, which he said would be the ideal situation. And it is a good looking coaching staff too.

-He decided to pick Darnell Nurse, a kind of player the Oilers desperately need, big, mean, and with a never quit attitude. He'll be a great piece of the Oilers in the not too distant future.

-He avoided making an emotional trade, which could have cost him dearly. The price for Schneider was ridiculous and in the end Mike Gillis got absolutely swindled by the New Jersey GM.

The bottom line for me is that Mac T looks like he is working really hard to improve the team be he is being smart about it and he is not jumping into bad deals. Tambellini looked like he was always just surveying the waters but not really jumping down and swim. And the few moves he did make that he thought were cheap and safe ended up being costly.

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#3 vetinari
July 01 2013, 12:39PM
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I'd rather have no trade than a bad trade. I'm disappointed that nothing could be done at the draft trade wise, but then again, almost all of the teams left the draft in the same boat.

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#4 Lochenzo
July 01 2013, 04:01PM
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Fine line between being bold and being reckless. MacT avoided being reckless.

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#5 Zarny
July 01 2013, 01:55PM
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Impatient does not mean rash. The most common mistake GMs make is overpaying to force a move.

I think MacT ran into the reality that it takes 2 to tango.

Gillis accepted less to avoid trading Schneider to a division rival. I'd like to know what Holmgren wanted for Coburn.

There was lots of talk which is a good thing. Big trades can take time and I think a lot of GMs kicked the can down the road to free agency. Teams that miss out on Horton will be interested in Hemsky. Holmgren may find no one is will to take Meszaros.

The job needs to get done by opening day. Until then judgement should be reserved.

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#6 Eddie Shore
July 01 2013, 07:09PM
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@DSF

Dreger has tweeted again tonight that was the asking price from Gillis to MacTavish. Do you think Gillis is going to answer, "Yes, the Oilers offered that but we chose to trade for just the 9th pick instead"? Of course he isn't. He'd be fielding questions for the next 10 years about why he didn't make that trade.

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#7 **
July 01 2013, 01:01PM
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As for the goalie situation, I can see the reasoning behind it. The Oilers wanted the best available goalie, they could not get it. I think the position the Oilers need to fill in with NHL proven players right now is the goalie position.

So if you did not get the best prospect in the draft, why waste the few pics you have on one or 2 when you already have a bunch of youngster on the pipe line who are having trouble panning out?. Better stock up with size and centers, which you don't have many of in your development system right now.

If I remember correctly they hired not long ago a European goalie expert. Maybe the plan is to stock on goalie prospects at the next draft, since with this draft the defense and forward prospects are all stocked, while giving an extra year to the ones they have to really see where they are at.

The Oilers missed on Bernier and a couple of europeans (the Schneider thing was a rouse, so I won't even count it) but there is still Khudobin and some others that will help the team immediately.

Bottom line for me is the Oilers need proven goalies right now more than they needed goalie prospects.

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#8 RJ
July 01 2013, 01:13PM
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There's a phrase that I think is appropriate: underpromise then overdeliver.

Championship teams build through the draft. It takes a long time to build up a solid core of prospects that will make the big club a top team. The picks he made seem to be good picks in the long term, though we won't know for a few years how good or bad this draft was. What we do know is that MacT promised major movement and upgrades to this team. If we don't see a lot of moves made by the first week or two of free agency, you're going to see a lot of angry fans. And it's all on MacT for overpromising and underdelivering.

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#9 Eddie Shore
July 01 2013, 03:58PM
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Matheson saying MacT offered Pitlick and a 2nd for Clutterbuck. Hard to fault him because Minny took the Isles offer over that. I don't think Clutterbuck is worth more than that.

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#10 albertabeef
July 01 2013, 05:42PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

I'm stunned at the stupidity of these posts. Simple.

Schneider > Nurse + Musil + Yakimov

Clutterbuck > Paarajvi

In what world is an elite goalie not better than a future top 4 defensive project.

Some fans here are unbelievable.

No Schneider is not overrated and yes he's worth #7 plus a second plus a prospect.

Plug a hole and move onto the next one. I think some fans are addicted to the infini-build and drafting players that will help the oilers in 2016.

Wake up- we need to win NOW. Our team is a joke, and players are getting too used losing

God I hope we sign Jagr to change some of the culture here.

Fans, players, management, coaches are all too used to losing.

How old are you? This sounds like a rant from an impatient, impertinent kid. Ya think you are going to get a Stanely cup in one draft? Give MacT a year - see what he does. You want Jagr? Yeah, thasts what we need - an over the hill Diva.... Sheesh....

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#11 Colin
July 01 2013, 05:43PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

I'm stunned at the stupidity of these posts. Simple.

Schneider > Nurse + Musil + Yakimov

Clutterbuck > Paarajvi

In what world is an elite goalie not better than a future top 4 defensive project.

Some fans here are unbelievable.

No Schneider is not overrated and yes he's worth #7 plus a second plus a prospect.

Plug a hole and move onto the next one. I think some fans are addicted to the infini-build and drafting players that will help the oilers in 2016.

Wake up- we need to win NOW. Our team is a joke, and players are getting too used losing

God I hope we sign Jagr to change some of the culture here.

Fans, players, management, coaches are all too used to losing.

NO!!! Schneider is NOT worth what Vancouver asked edmonton for. Schneider is an "Unproven" goalie

NO!!! Cluterbuck is not worth Paaravi.

NO!!! We do not "Need" to win now. We need to improve and compete every year.

The real "Joke" is fans sacrificing the future for "maybe" now.

How has that worked for Toronto these past 50 years.

NO!!! We don't need 40 year old players nearing the end and a shadow of then selves.

You sound like Jason "Negative" Gregor. Every manager, every player, on every team is better than any Oiler.

We have the talent. Now, we need the supporting cast.

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#12 2004Z06
July 01 2013, 06:21PM
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You bitch when a GM doesn't say squat to the media and you bitch when the new GM is open and candid to the media. No GM can win in this town with the fans.

Mac T didn't "promise" any of you jack S***. He stated they needed and wanted to make bold moves, but that doesn't mean stupid moves just to give bloggers something to talk about. If no one is dealing, or the prices are to high, you stand pat. He replaced a ton of assets that can be used as trade chips going forward if need be.

We all agree the Oilers have had nothing anyone wants, well maybe now going forward they do.

I know that drafting Nurse may make at least one of the decent D prospects tradeable.

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#13 David S
July 01 2013, 11:56AM
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It doesn't really matter what MacT said. Every team in the NHL knows Edmonton is desperate to improve going into next season. We're in the worst possible bargaining position.

MacT's job now is to calculate where an overpay will do the most good because the reality is we're going to overpay. Obviously Vancouver's trade proposal was over the line. But quite frankly the only way they'd give a division rival one of the key pieces they need the most would be if the return was ridiculous.

I took it that MacT was going to be making bold moves THIS SUMMER. As much as I was choked we couldn't get something done yesterday I'm still hopeful there some boldness to come.

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#14 oilman3
July 01 2013, 11:58AM
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it's tough to continue to be patient, but as it has been stated so many times already, it is better to do nothing than something stupid. does anyone actually think mactavish didn't make every effort to make trades? it's obvious to anyone paying attention that he has been very active, but he's not going to get fleeced just to make changes. personally, i have no interest in the types of deals that were offered. people talking about him being tambo 2.0 are being ridiculous. mactavish is clearly more intelligent, well spoken, and hard working than tambo and i firmly believe he will make deals that will actually improve the team without grossly overpaying when the opportunities come.

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#15 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 01 2013, 12:33PM
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The Real Scuba Steve wrote:

Did anybody see Kevin Lowe at the Draft?

Darn sure I seen him passing on his congratulations to the Nurse family, while Katz and friends (along with Darnell) were up on stage doing their thing. Grip and grin technician for all of his favorite peeps yesterday.

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#16 **
July 01 2013, 01:14PM
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reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan) wrote:

I would call this draft strike one for the Oilers under GM MacT. It might get better but there are some disturbing signs ( keeping buchberger and Smith as assistants remains a head scratcher)

I respectfully disagree. I ahve already posted my opinion on Mac T's work at the draft. I watched the whole draft and you could tell GM's making calls but nothing happened. It wasn't just hard for the Oilers to make a trade it was hard for everyone. Keeping Smith and Buchberger, and Chabot was Eakins decision not Mac Tavish, and I think he was right, because young players do need some consistency and by bringing in a second in command that is Eakins' people, he created a balance of old and new. If Eakins can't work with these guys come the regular season they can always be replaced. BE he is being smart in not alienating the current staff and giving a chance to people to prove themselves. That is savvy business practice.

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#17 John Chambers
July 01 2013, 01:23PM
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@**

I'm with you, in that it's still too early to be glass-half-empty about anything yet. I blame TSN for propagating any irrational expectations.

Nurse is going to be a beauty. He'll slip right in during the team's competition window.

Teams will still need to offload salary. If we can end the summer with a Dman like Paul Martin, Boychuk, or Oduya, we'll look much better with our 5-6 than last season

We can all be glad we didn't massive overpay with the 7th overall pick for Braydon Coburn, or otherwise.

Most Oiler fans are probably willing to surrender next season's 1st rounder for a 3-4 Dman. I'm am, anyway.

July 5th should be interesting. We might just go and overpay for David Clarkson.

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#18 GVBlackhawk
July 01 2013, 01:26PM
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Jimmer wrote:

Yesterday our GM chose quantity over quality and that is a concern. You choose quantity over quality if you are planning on starting a rebuild. We should be starting to come out of a rebuild...no? The biggest thing for me was how we walked away with not one goalie. We should have traded up for Fucale. After losing out on him we should have traded up to get Jarray. Even Comrie. Still scratching my head on this one.

Predicting how a goalie will turn out is voodoo. There is no sense chasing after any particular goalie prospect.

There is also no way to determine which player is 'quality' after the first round is over. They are all mathematical long-shots at this point. So quantity might actually be a more effective strategy from round 2 on.

Development and luck is more crucial now that the draft is over.

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#19 Oilerswinthecup2014
July 01 2013, 01:46PM
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I don't get what so many people are so upset about. I'm pretty excited about the oil's future. Just added a (solid) potential top 3 D-man, and flooded the prospect depth chart. We have young talent out the ying yang and a coach who seems specialized for their type of development. Added Belov already, and 2 months remain until the start of next season. We have tons of assets now, and plenty of time to make a deal - last year Rick Nash was traded July 23rd, and James Wisniewski was traded to Columbus July 30th, 2010

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#20 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 01 2013, 01:47PM
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@John Chambers

Think one or two UFA veterans is an option here. Just need a body or two to come in here, settle things down and help pass the next 24 months while these kids get up on their feet.

Pluck Ference and Redden/Hamrlik. Could get a pairing for under 5 per, combined without having to give anything up.

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#21 andrewmk20
July 01 2013, 01:48PM
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@Al Davis

If it was August 1st instead of July 1st I would agree, but free agency hasn't even started yet. Only few moves were made league wide and there was a lot of noise made around the league, not just Edmonton.

With the new division formats I don't think trades within the division are going to happen. With 29 games within a division and having to battle 6 to 7 other teams for a playoff spot the philosophy behind trading is going to change.

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#22 fig pucker
July 01 2013, 03:32PM
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to all of these people who feel we need a goaltending upgrade, ask your self this, how well would, quick, rene, rask or any number of top nhl net minders play with the oilers defence in front of them? i would suggest not much if at all better. no team can be successful if the goalie has to stand on his head every night just to give you a fighting chance, regardless of who that goalie is. let's get a real nhl defencive squad playing a real defensive systm, then we'll know what we really have with dubnyck.

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#23 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 01 2013, 03:42PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

I'm stunned at the stupidity of these posts. Simple.

Schneider > Nurse + Musil + Yakimov

Clutterbuck > Paarajvi

In what world is an elite goalie not better than a future top 4 defensive project.

Some fans here are unbelievable.

No Schneider is not overrated and yes he's worth #7 plus a second plus a prospect.

Plug a hole and move onto the next one. I think some fans are addicted to the infini-build and drafting players that will help the oilers in 2016.

Wake up- we need to win NOW. Our team is a joke, and players are getting too used losing

God I hope we sign Jagr to change some of the culture here.

Fans, players, management, coaches are all too used to losing.

Well that, sure went downhill fast....

By the jist of your post, this whole "Oiler Domination to follow" thing you have going on there. Is that some holdover thing from the 80's? Or, just some slogan that doesn't need to be at all accurate/applicable about the current hockey team.

Are you guilty of partaking in too many Canada Day celebrations perhaps?

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#24 nuge2nail
July 01 2013, 04:09PM
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fig pucker wrote:

to all of these people who feel we need a goaltending upgrade, ask your self this, how well would, quick, rene, rask or any number of top nhl net minders play with the oilers defence in front of them? i would suggest not much if at all better. no team can be successful if the goalie has to stand on his head every night just to give you a fighting chance, regardless of who that goalie is. let's get a real nhl defencive squad playing a real defensive systm, then we'll know what we really have with dubnyck.

Oiler Domination To Follow

Good goalies need good defensive systems and great Defenceman to be good.

Great goalies need good defenseman to be great.

Elite goalies make good defenseman look great and steal games for their teams on the regular. An elite goalie makes the entire team play with confidence and swagger.

I believe we need an Elite goalie and we currently have a good goalie.

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#25 TDSM31
July 01 2013, 04:25PM
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** wrote:

The way I see it, Mac T, while not swinging the ball out of the park, did move forward on his plan by draft day:

-He signed Anton Belov, the best defender in the KHL, he beat other teams to it. You win some you lose some,we know of a couple of deals that didn't work, but this one he got.

-He got picks back that were wasted by tambellini on Jerred Smithson and Fistric. Wasted because they did not help the team move forward and cost part of the future. In this regard Mac T did a great job by multiplying his number of pics without giving up any assets. At the end of the day after the first round the chances guys make an impact drop significantly. So trading down for more picks is reasonable as it increases the odds of getting someone who pans out.

-He got the coaching staff ready by draft day, which he said would be the ideal situation. And it is a good looking coaching staff too.

-He decided to pick Darnell Nurse, a kind of player the Oilers desperately need, big, mean, and with a never quit attitude. He'll be a great piece of the Oilers in the not too distant future.

-He avoided making an emotional trade, which could have cost him dearly. The price for Schneider was ridiculous and in the end Mike Gillis got absolutely swindled by the New Jersey GM.

The bottom line for me is that Mac T looks like he is working really hard to improve the team be he is being smart about it and he is not jumping into bad deals. Tambellini looked like he was always just surveying the waters but not really jumping down and swim. And the few moves he did make that he thought were cheap and safe ended up being costly.

100% correct on all counts...

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#26 Eddie Shore
July 01 2013, 05:06PM
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@DSF

What/who would the great DSF have traded to land Clutterbuck? Please, enlighten me.

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#27 djc
July 01 2013, 05:18PM
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DSF wrote:

Pitlick has almost zero value as a replacement for an actual NHL player.

He scored 3 goals and 7 assists in the AHL last season.

Nino scored 28 goals and 22 assists.

Clutterbuck is WORTH exactly what someone was willing to pay for him.

If MacT thinks he can procure actual NHL players in return for his junk on the farm, he's really going to need an attitude adjustment.

Did you buy your Florida Drouin jersey yet old man?

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#28 bumboclate
July 01 2013, 05:24PM
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@nuge2nail

Your lost. Schneider is not worth that much. Imo mact wasnt a sucker! Schneider numbers are boosted by a defence in van. If dooby was playing van behind that D he would look better or just as good!

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#29 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 01 2013, 05:39PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Matheson saying MacT offered Pitlick and a 2nd for Clutterbuck. Hard to fault him because Minny took the Isles offer over that. I don't think Clutterbuck is worth more than that.

Might have be another one of those deals where Minnesota just didn't want him to go to another western conference opponent.

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#30 rickithebear
July 01 2013, 05:40PM
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Hall-XXX-Gagner XXX-RNH-Eberle MP-XXX-Yakupov Smyth-XXX-Rajala

MacT said Arcabello performed better than RNH in the AHL. He was disappointed He did not get a better look at end of season. MacT drafted the second best NHL ready Dman. What forward still available slots on this team?

Then he dumps #37 and results in 5 picks Yakimov Slepyshev Houck Platzer Muir

Yakipov, Slepyshev, Yakimov all products of the same regional hockey school run by yakipov's dad.

yakipov's family moves to edmnton. MacT said he recieved inside info the two leading scorers for russia's 11-12 U18 want to come to NHL in 14-15 season.

18 year old production in KHL/RSL Kuznetsov .73 PPG Malkin .59 PPG Slepyshev .55 PPG Tarasenko .53 PPG Ovechkin .44 PPG Kulemin .41 PPG Semin .37 PPG

Yakimov russias last cut for u20 WJHC @ 18

Now but not at the expense of the future.

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#31 mike
July 01 2013, 05:44PM
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Craig MacTambellini. Mr. Dithers v2.0

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#32 Mean Machine
July 01 2013, 05:57PM
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DSF wrote:

Pitlick has almost zero value as a replacement for an actual NHL player.

He scored 3 goals and 7 assists in the AHL last season.

Nino scored 28 goals and 22 assists.

Clutterbuck is WORTH exactly what someone was willing to pay for him.

If MacT thinks he can procure actual NHL players in return for his junk on the farm, he's really going to need an attitude adjustment.

Way to ignore the second round pick. You know, a second round pick that was used to get Tyler Kennedy? Tyler Kennedy and Cal Clutterbuck scored similar points, near same age, played similar ice time.

So it wasn't just "junk on the farm"

Islanders really wanted him, so they overpaid. Simple as that.

By your definition there is no such thing as overpaying for a player. Disagree. Strong disagree.

EVERYONE EVERYONE the Oilers should call up the Islanders and trade Hall for Matt Martin. Don't worry we don't need to call anyone else because if the Islanders accept, then Hall is worth exactly what the Oilers received in return, Matt Martin!

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#33 WhattaMike
July 01 2013, 06:03PM
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Man!!!!! I hear the panic button going off by so many persons out there....that I thank Gawd that all those whiners and rushers that I speak of... are not runni8ng the Oilers cause the team would be so bad....

Get Clutterbuck off your minds once and for all. He is traded....and he is not worth a fifth overall player and a 2nd rounder!!!!!

IMO, he is replacable by others at a cheaper price ... and would have been not even thought of too much... if Hartikainen had wanted to sign a two way contract then give a real work ethic attitude...

Schneider is nor was ever "heads over heels" far better than Dubnyk!!!! He ain't nor is worth a (th overall pick nor...a #7, a 2nd rounder and an NHL ready player!!!!!

Khudobin...without giving away players/prospects/draft pick costs, etc, plus his salary... is a definite more worthwhile venture to go get as a UFA, so is Emery

Bolland is not worth what Toronto gave nor what Chicago originally wanted.The Oilers can go get players such as Gordon instead...

Until those out there making sane and realistic sense and/or suggest proper options then don't even bother writing anything here...

I am not a perfect Oilers fan but I am one of for over 30 yrs and...I do enjoy reading of those who make good real sense and/or points on here...

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#34 Jimmer
July 01 2013, 06:09PM
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Clutterbuck for Neiderreiter in a lot of ways is similar to Cody Hodgson for Zach Kassian. Two teams with two very different needs. One needing skill the other needing grit. In today's NHL...both are equally important.

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#35 WhattaMike
July 01 2013, 06:18PM
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@Jimmer

I agree with ya and thats why I am not too worried about the deal not working out for MacT.

Neiderreiter wanted out, he had attitude issues, and he played pouter so as to get this going so that is why the Islanders didn't care for losing him...

I am thinking also that Pitlick has just come around the corner himself during the playoffs and he can be even better than Clutterbuck with much better skating skills and he is good to hit-wise at the least. Besides this kid is only what 20 or 21 right now???

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#36 15w40
July 01 2013, 06:21PM
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I don't know why people continue to argue with the "anti-oiler".

If Edmonton had traded the 1st, a 2nd, and a top prospect for Schneider, he would be on here trumpeting from the rooftops about what a rookie hack Mactavish is and how he got totally fleeced and that Mike Gillis schooled him.

It doesn't matter what moves the Oilers make or don't make - they will be WRONG, 100% of the time.

And in the event they ever get good or actually win the cup it will be because even a blind squirrel gets an acorn sometimes.

Should Edmonton have sweetened the deal for Clutterbuck - yes. Should they have gone with somebody like Pajaarvi - maybe. Nino Niederreiter was a special case because the milk had already gone sour between his camp and NYI. Maybe Edmonton should have traded Pajaarvi for him instead of Clutterbuck.

The Oilers will not win the cup this year and may end up buying out Horcoff. I don't see Hemsky as a candidate for that.

High end UFA's will not come here either. So you draft and you trade - Nurse is just what the doctor ordered.

Such is the life of the most northerly outpost of the NHL.

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#37 Rusty Patenaude
July 01 2013, 06:57PM
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I am not disappointed at the lack of deals by MacT yesterday. The asking prices for Coburn and Clutterbuck were too high. My concern was that MacT would feel compelled to make deals because of his foolish "I'm impatient" declaration...he did not make dumb deals, that is good.

There is plenty of time to negotiate the deals needed. The time to judge MacT will be at the beginning of camp and beyond.

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#38 Eddie Shore
July 01 2013, 07:00PM
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@Newj

Nino for Clutterbuck only happened because he and the Islanders had a falling out.

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#39 Oilers4ever
July 01 2013, 08:16PM
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Well hello Oilersnation!!! Guy takes a break away for a couple months and everyone (well almost everyone) is trying to rip Oilers mgmt a new you know what. :)

I've read a lot of posts and lord knows I'll tell you one thing we are all lucky for as Oilers fans. Our devotion and dedication to our team, whether the comments are uplifting or trying to rip new holes (as above mentioned) :) I don't care what fans of other teams say, Oilers fan are THE most devoted to their team.

Anyways, I have to wonder about people who are calling for management's heads because nothing happened of significance. Look I want some change as much as the next guy, but you don't make a dumb arse trade if it guts your team and really doesn't improve it. Take the 9th overall pick of NJ's to the Canucks for the supposed "heir" to Marty Brodeur.... NOT! Schneider is a good goalie for sure, but is really that much better that Dubby? I am not that stats guy, I'll leave that to JW, but I'll bet my lunch money (which isn't much tnankfully) that the overall numbers between Dubby and Schneider is not that far apart. So what has Schneider done for you lately? No Vezinas... No Cups. Tell me how he's worth a 9 overall pick. Ridiculous. 7th would have been even worse.

I get that MacT said he's going to make changes but you people who are jumping all over him need to settle down. Never once did he say these changes were all coming through the draft. You talk about Hemsky and Horcoff not being moved for picks you most of the MSM stuff I've read says Hemsky likely won't go until at least the second week or so of July for any of the teams that missed out on guys like Horton, Vinny, etc.

As far as I am concerned, MacT isn't judged until AT LEAST after one full season at GM. He will make some changes this summer. He has to. As it stand now we really don't have a third line. And we need a goalie so that will get addressed.

Our cupboards were bare draft pick wise and we gained what, four or five picks? Yes people say after the first round everything goes to crap whether anything pans out. Tell that to the Red Wings who took Zetterberg and Datsyuk deep in the draft. Both will be in the HHOF guranteed. Who's to say how those two Russian kids will turn out.

And I do think that Eakins will make a difference. New coach, new system. I like what I've read that he's going to have multiple styles of play used within one game. The Oilers have been FAR too predictable for how they play. Whether that is their breakout, the PP, etc. If Eakins can rotate multiple types of breakouts, attacks, etc in one game, teams will never be able to prepare for that. So I look forward to seeing how that goes.

Bottom line, give this new mgmt team and coaching staff a chance to get things done. We all know certain players are going to be gone. Does it really matter if it happens June 28 or August 13 or whatever date before training camp starts that you want to throw out there? The way I see it there is no difference.

I know people are tired of the ole "have patience" from the Oilers organization, but hey, Rome wasn't built in a day. Things will be different by the beginning of September, mark my words!

Peace out all! Good to be back!

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#40 magisterrex
July 01 2013, 09:03PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

I would say the value of a roster Is based on the teams performance over the past 5 years.

I gave this roster the benefit of the doubt with the 24-30th place finish.

I highly doubt you can argue that based on the value system used.

Not sure why you post here if the Oilers cause you so much angst. Maybe cheer for the Blackhawks?

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#41 nuge2nail
July 01 2013, 09:18PM
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magisterrex wrote:

Not sure why you post here if the Oilers cause you so much angst. Maybe cheer for the Blackhawks?

Oiler Domination To Follow

Stating a 23rd place roster has a 23rd place value is not causing me so much angst.

Not seeing a playoff game in 7 years and coming on oilersnation and hearing fans say "be patient" "3 more years" "Rome wasn't built in a day" is giving me angst.

Expecting a different result by sending the same team year after year, with the same holes is giving me angst.

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#42 pelhem grenville
July 02 2013, 02:41AM
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...MacT

Please trade 83 and a dman prospect & some salary to Detroit for Jonathan Ericksson ...

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#43 The Nuuuuuuuuuuuuge
July 02 2013, 06:45AM
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Some of you guys really underrate Anton Belov. He will be excellent for the Oilers! Last season he was the best D in the KHL which level isn't that far from the NHL.

If he is able to play out his full potential also on the small ice, he definitly has the potential to be a #1#2 D-man after maybe one year. His skating ability is very impressive and he is a very good puck mover that can also play physical.

P.S.: And now get Clarkson!

(Sorry for possible language errors;))

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#44 Gaz
July 02 2013, 10:43AM
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@Tikkanese

I actually disagree with almost every assessment that you've made there!

I think he's a keeper.

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#45 Al Davis
July 01 2013, 11:38AM
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Well, the Oilers did this to themselves by announcing to the world of their intentions. I think a lot of the backlash is justified.

I don't have a problem with restocking a rather empty prospect pipeline, but more was expected.

Does that mean there is no time to make other changes? No, but by all accounts the draft is where teams have the opportunity to make the most change throughout their organization. So with that in mind, us Oilers fans have every right to be disappointed with the lack of turnover.

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#46 Cheesenaka
July 01 2013, 11:39AM
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Hey Jonathan, do you think the oilers look at Ballard as a possible option, either through waiver claim or a trade with salary going back? Belanger + Eager for Ballard?

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#47 The Real Scuba Steve
July 01 2013, 11:41AM
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Did anybody see Kevin Lowe at the Draft?

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#48 The Real Scuba Steve
July 01 2013, 11:41AM
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Did anybody see Kevin Lowe at the Draft?

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#49 Dockstaff
July 01 2013, 11:52AM
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Paajarvi for Clutterbuck would have been a BOLD move.

The problem with our other pieces is that no one wants them for more than a bargain - meaning the Oil would have to take a loss.

It's very difficult to make a trade in the NHL. Without good depth you will have to do what the Leafs did years ago and trade nearly all your draft picks and prospects to get a few veteran players.

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#50 fig pucker
July 01 2013, 12:11PM
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so we're all happy we didn't get fleeced at the draft? now instead we'll get fleeced in free agency or in the summer trade market. listen guys this team hasn't made the playoffs in seven years, this is not a desirable location for players (a least ones of value) and won't be untill we make the playoffs and become a contending team, and at some point we're going to have to overpay to do that. the way things are going a 1000 years from now my decendents will still be asking "when's this rebuild going to end?"

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