Great Expectations

Jonathan Willis
July 01 2013 11:29AM

There has been some significant backlash from Edmonton Oilers fans, both here and elsewhere, following a draft that fell somewhat short of Craig MacTavish’s lofty goals going in. How much is justified?

Pre-Draft

When MacTavish was introduced as the new general manager of the Oilers, there was mixed reaction, which makes sense given his long history with Edmonton’s fans and the animosity many felt during his time as coach. He did say all the right things, though, and implicitly contrasted himself to predecessor Steve Tambellini with comments like this one:

I’m an impatient guy, and I bring that impatience to this situation. I think that we’re at the stage in terms of the cycle of our hockey club right now that we have to do some bold things. We have to expose ourselves to some semblance of risk to try and move the team forward in a rapid fashion. My sense, and my analysis from watching the team over the last number of months is much the same as a lot of people’s analysis of our team. We need greater depth, we’ve got a lot of great primary pieces.

Asked if there could be as many as eight new Oilers, MacTavish said, “I think that’s fair. There’s going to be some significant and meaningful change for sure.”

Comments in that vein all down the line, combined with media- (and, yes, blog-)driven hype and rumours served to push expectations sky high. Lots of players were available for the right offer. The Oilers were linked all over, to goalies and forwards and defencemen, and the feeling going in was that the Oilers would come out of the draft looking substantially different than when they entered it.

Dud

In the larger picture, it’s worth noting that such hype was particularly strong in Edmonton, but it wasn’t confined to the Oilers; lots of teams hoped to be able to do something at the draft. But in the grand scheme of things, the draft was a dud. Cory Schneider went to New Jersey for a fraction of the cost Vancouver would have charged Edmonton. Cal Clutterbuck went to Brooklyn at the cost of former fifth overall pick Nino Niederreiter. Andrej Sekera cost both a pretty good defenceman (Jamie McBain) and the 35th overall pick.

The best, and perhaps only, bargain of the day was likely San Jose’s acquisition of Tyler Kennedy for a second round draft pick.

Should the Oilers have given Vancouver their asking price for Schneider – reportedly the 7th overall, a second round pick and a young NHL-ready player? Should they have swapped Magnus Paajarvi for Cal Clutterbuck? I’d answer an emphatic ‘no’ to both, and that’s just how it is: the trade prices were too high to get anything done.

So, while superficially the draft was a dud, in this case “dud” was likely better than the alternative.

Reality

Unfortunately, this leaves Craig MacTavish in virtually the same place he entered the draft: in need of making significant changes to his hockey team. The defence and the bottom six needs to be overhauled. Players like Ales Hemsky and Shawn Horcoff are still on the team; if Craig MacTavish has prioritized moving them than they still need to go (though at this point, it is fair to wonder if the Oilers really are best-served by moving them). The same is true in net, where Devan Dubnyk offers Edmonton a perfectly serviceable number one goalie in the prime of his career; the Oilers appear to want an elite goaltender and if that’s a priority for them they will need to find it somewhere else. The big left winger the team covets still needs to be found as well.

There is time to do these things, but the draft was expected to be a significant opportunity, and it is definitely a bad thing for the team that the opportunity turned out to be only a mirage. The next big step is free agency, and the post-free agency trades for teams that didn’t land their preferred targets. The Oilers can’t afford to go through those periods without making significant changes.

Recently around the Nation Network

The Oilers draft may have been quiet, but the Calgary Flames' certainly was not. The decision to pass on Hunter Shinkaruk and instead pick Emile Poirier was widely critiqued, but the Flames' 67th overall pick drew some negative attention, too:

After round 1, there isn't much to talk about. Feaster failed to nab any other early-to-mid picks so it's even more baffling that the organization decided to use their lone choice between 30-100 on man mountain Keegan Kanzig. The 6'7", 240+ pound defender, by all accounts, is a guy who can't really skate, can't handle the puck and has no offense to speak of. He was ranked in the 190's amongst North American skaters by Central Scouting. Corey Pronman didn't rank him in the top-100 either.

Click the link to read more, or alternately, feel free check out some of my other pieces here:

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Bc fan
July 01 2013, 12:14PM
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Cheesenaka wrote:

Hey Jonathan, do you think the oilers look at Ballard as a possible option, either through waiver claim or a trade with salary going back? Belanger + Eager for Ballard?

Chances of that happening is zero. Another delusional trade proposal. If the draft showed anything it's how much it cost to acquire.

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#52 EricOG
July 01 2013, 12:14PM
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MacTavish did well in the sense that he quickly fell back to what was obviously plan B. To turn one pick into many picks even if they were lower picks. For people who like to grade drafts, they will have to wait a few years to do so.

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#53 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
July 01 2013, 12:18PM
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I would call this draft strike one for the Oilers under GM MacT. It might get better but there are some disturbing signs ( keeping buchberger and Smith as assistants remains a head scratcher)

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#54 walker59
July 01 2013, 12:26PM
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If free agency and possible trades don't go well for the Oilers, can anyone see one of the "young guns" being traded to help fill in the bottom of roster? It may happen sooner than people expect. Now, that is bold.

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#57 Jimmer
July 01 2013, 12:32PM
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Yesterday our GM chose quantity over quality and that is a concern. You choose quantity over quality if you are planning on starting a rebuild. We should be starting to come out of a rebuild...no? The biggest thing for me was how we walked away with not one goalie. We should have traded up for Fucale. After losing out on him we should have traded up to get Jarray. Even Comrie. Still scratching my head on this one.

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#58 Manfly
July 01 2013, 12:43PM
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i wasn't thrilled with this draft, or the fact the Oilers TWICE had a chance to get a top end goalie, with Tristan Jarry being there at #37 and Eric Comrie being there at the bottom of the 2nd with us having 2 picks.regardless of whether the Habs took Fucale from us, and they did, he was clearly the BPA at that point but clearly a player the Habs didn't need, we should have taken one of the top goalies, IMO. glad we took Nurse, but after that it's a bunch of role players, and not large players at that, and a couple of real out there gambles (Muir and Campbell). with the cap going down, i wasn't surprised the Oil couldn't make draft day deals though and i wouldn't have given the Canucks what they wanted for Schneider either. we'll have to see what the Oil can do in the trade department the next little while and in the UFA market.

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#59 WhattaMike
July 01 2013, 01:15PM
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I agree with ya JW that - "NO" - to the Clutterbuck possible trade for allegedly Paajarvi/2nd rounder or the Schneider attempted trade deal from Gillis....to the Oilers....was warranted.

Especially when the Oilers keep those players, the #7, pick a 2nd rounder and a roster player while whhen they can be grabbing a Khudobin or Emery, etc, as UFA's for cheaper... besides i agree that Dubnyk is worthy as a goialie against Schneider and several other #1's in this league already...

Bolland is not the guy that even I wanted for the type price Chicago wanted first and but then relented to Toronto....even with all what they got back as it is.

MacT got a top future defender, two very good russian kids and some grit for the future bottom six, etc....and in effect restocked some shelves..

I agree with your assessment JW that there has to be some to many significant moves coming up these next days to weeks from the Oilers as well but the rush to get it all done in one day is not reasonable nor doable...as though several fans and whiners wanted. I am impatient to see something done big time too but my patience is growing...how long??? I don't know.

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#60 Rama Lama
July 01 2013, 01:32PM
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On the surface it looks looks like Mac T failed. Since we have very little luck with secound round draft chioces, I am happy with our safe selection with Darnell Nurse. I would have been very dissapointed if we had given this selection up for CS.

Now the UFA season starts and it appears we have to overpay for third line options. Instead of getting a bunch of overpaid has beens, I say we let our youth play from OKC and follow the age old principle of " sink or swim". Let Pitlick play a few games, maybe Green, and Chechoo as well.

Perhaps one of the Russians we drafted can play some minutes. With some luck and additions from the UFA market, we just might assemble a team. In any case it appears the re-build is far from over, and we will once again be told to be patient.

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#62 Butters
July 01 2013, 01:46PM
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This year was supposed to be one of the deepest drafts in years. Yet the Oilers traded out of the second round for a few more longshot picks?!?Confusing.

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#63 Oilerswinthecup2014
July 01 2013, 01:50PM
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@G bear

Totally in favor of moving future first round picks for immediate help.. surely there's a team and player out there that fits the bill

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#64 gcw_rocks
July 01 2013, 01:56PM
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** wrote:

I respectfully disagree. I ahve already posted my opinion on Mac T's work at the draft. I watched the whole draft and you could tell GM's making calls but nothing happened. It wasn't just hard for the Oilers to make a trade it was hard for everyone. Keeping Smith and Buchberger, and Chabot was Eakins decision not Mac Tavish, and I think he was right, because young players do need some consistency and by bringing in a second in command that is Eakins' people, he created a balance of old and new. If Eakins can't work with these guys come the regular season they can always be replaced. BE he is being smart in not alienating the current staff and giving a chance to people to prove themselves. That is savvy business practice.

You don't know for a fact keeping Buchberger and Smith was Eakins call. What they tell the media and what happened behind closed doors are not always the same.

It is not good business practice to keep assistant coaches whose track record is 30, 30, 29, 24. No other team would put up with that kind of track record.

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#65 gcw_rocks
July 01 2013, 01:59PM
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The other applicable phrase some needs to teach MacT is `actions, not words'.

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#66 madjam
July 01 2013, 02:00PM
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The Real Scuba Steve wrote:

Did anybody see Kevin Lowe at the Draft?

No , and I have no reason as to why . Conjecture ?

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#67 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 01 2013, 02:01PM
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With the way things have gone the last month, I wouldn't be so quick to move that first rounder next yr. Hemsky's back, along with Horc and Gagner. With just Belov added to the lineup in the fall, along with a question mark in goal. That selection is starting to look more and more like another near lotto pick.

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#68 yawto
July 01 2013, 02:04PM
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Here is the thing I see. The prospects on D are now stacked. I read the Oilers sites like the rest of us and rely on the input of these experts and their analysis.

If we are to believe what we read, a prospect pool of Klefbom, Marincin, Gernat, Musil and Simpson are trending. The addition of Nurse to the pack allows Mact to put his stamp on the team and what type of player will be successful on his squads. It also frees him up to trade off one or more of the above names of which he has no attachment to.

The pick of Nurse to me appears to set the table for some type of forthcoming trade. No, none of the above defencemen are world beaters,but Gernat is looking fantastic for a fifth rounder, Marincin had a solid debut in the Ahl and Klefbom is looking good in limited action. Musil and Simpson have pedigree and are both playing solidly and will have value.

making trades to make trades isn't bold. planning and stocking your cupboards to make moves is smart. you need puzzle pieces to make bold moves. Mact just added 10 names to the depth chart, might not be a time to feel secure if you are a prospect from the tambo regime. ill make my judgements on mact in September.

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#69 DSF
July 01 2013, 02:07PM
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John Chambers wrote:

I'm with you, in that it's still too early to be glass-half-empty about anything yet. I blame TSN for propagating any irrational expectations.

Nurse is going to be a beauty. He'll slip right in during the team's competition window.

Teams will still need to offload salary. If we can end the summer with a Dman like Paul Martin, Boychuk, or Oduya, we'll look much better with our 5-6 than last season

We can all be glad we didn't massive overpay with the 7th overall pick for Braydon Coburn, or otherwise.

Most Oiler fans are probably willing to surrender next season's 1st rounder for a 3-4 Dman. I'm am, anyway.

July 5th should be interesting. We might just go and overpay for David Clarkson.

I'm not sure why you think players like Martin, Boychuk or Oduya are going to magically become available in the next 4 days.

Pittsburgh is about $8M under the cap and Martin is signed for two more years and has a NTC.

Boychuk is on a value contract at $3.3m and also has a NTC. Boston is $5M under the cap with 19 players signed.

Chicago is $9.5 million under the cap and Oduya also has a NTC.

Here's a list of the current UFA defensemen available:

Benn, Jordie D Dallas

Fortunus, Maxime D Dallas

Sloan, Tyler D Dallas

Sneep, Carl D Dallas

White, Ian D Detroit

Fistric, Mark D Edmonton

Stafford, Garrett D Edmonton

Sutton, Andy D Edmonton

Whitney, Ryan D Edmonton

Strachan, Tyson D Florida

Yonkman, Nolan D Florida

Scuderi, Rob D Los Angeles

Bagnall, Drew D Minnesota

Clark, Brett D Minnesota

DeSantis, Jason D Montreal

Kaberle, Tomas D Montreal

St-Denis, Frederic D Montreal

Ford, Scott D Nashville

Moore, Mike D Nashville

Corrente, Matt D New Jersey

Harrold, Peter D New Jersey

Leach, Jay D New Jersey

Zidlicky, Marek D New Jersey

Landry, Jon D NY Islanders

Martinek, Radek D NY Islanders

McIver, Nathan D NY Islanders

Wishart, Ty D NY Islanders

Collins, Sean D NY Rangers

Eminger, Steve D NY Rangers

Gilroy, Matt D NY Rangers

Some players on that list, Benn, White, Scuderi, Harrold, Zidlicky, are likely to be re-signed by their current teams.

If MacT is going to get a couple of top 4 D, he's going to have to trade for them because the free agent pool is pretty shallow.

What trade bullets do you think he has at his disposal?

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#70 Former Oilers Diehard Fan
July 01 2013, 02:10PM
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Say what you want about MacT and comparisons to Tamby. MacT is more articulate and forthcoming with his comments than Tamby. However, all his bold talk built an expectation that something more was going to happen in terms of player moves. Perhaps it was a rookie mistake in that he telegraphed his intentions to the entire league. In the end, he will be judged on the results. I will give him credit for getting Belov signed. But I think that his bold talk has only served to set himself up for an unfavourable evaluation.

MacT built expectations among the fan base. Given that devotion and fandom is based on emotional connection with the team and buying in to a particular vision, I think that MacT deserves a failing grade. Sure, he will have more opportunities and he has plenty of rope with which to hang himself. But if you look at the end results of the draft, I don't know that he accomplished anything more than Tamby would have in the same position.

I understand that there is a visceral contempt for Tamby by many fans. Many fans attribute his halting public speaking with a lack of intelligence, which is likely not the case. In addition, since Tamby played his cards so close to the vest, people attribute the lack of information that was forthcoming as a complete lack of activity, for which there is no proof. I am not an apologist for Tamby but would argue that the main difference between he and MacT is simply window dressing and presentation. The proof is in the pudding and I don't seem much of a difference in terms of what has been delivered thus far to improve a team that continues to flounder and really has become the Edmonton Islanders.

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#71 Tetsutsu
July 01 2013, 02:10PM
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@ The Real Scuba Steve

I did see KLowe there. Watch the video highlights of Nurse's selection on tsn.ca. As Nurse is walking toward the front, he passes right by the Oilers table. Lowe is sitting there, feet kicked back all relaxed. I swear he was about to put on some shades and get the boy to fetch him a margarita.

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#72 birdman
July 01 2013, 02:25PM
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@madjam

He was there at the draft table. He went and shook hands with the Nurse family after the pick.

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#73 Mr common Sense
July 01 2013, 02:28PM
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The only thing we need to focus on is the fact that we must capitalize on the existing contract lifespan of Hall and Ebs. They are signed for 4 more years? Or is it 5? Regardless, if letang and Horton are happy to walk away from powerhouse teams for money you think hall and Ebs will want to re-up here during a perpetual rebuild???? This is why yesterday was useless and abhorrent. MacT is thinking correctly to look for established players and goalie the oil must win NOW, it will take 3 times IN the playoffs before they win IN the playoffs. MacT MUST be aggressive and probably deal prospects we all current love but remember, "it's the front of the jersey that matters, not the back" -Vince lombardi

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#74 DSF
July 01 2013, 02:32PM
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Former Oilers Diehard Fan wrote:

Say what you want about MacT and comparisons to Tamby. MacT is more articulate and forthcoming with his comments than Tamby. However, all his bold talk built an expectation that something more was going to happen in terms of player moves. Perhaps it was a rookie mistake in that he telegraphed his intentions to the entire league. In the end, he will be judged on the results. I will give him credit for getting Belov signed. But I think that his bold talk has only served to set himself up for an unfavourable evaluation.

MacT built expectations among the fan base. Given that devotion and fandom is based on emotional connection with the team and buying in to a particular vision, I think that MacT deserves a failing grade. Sure, he will have more opportunities and he has plenty of rope with which to hang himself. But if you look at the end results of the draft, I don't know that he accomplished anything more than Tamby would have in the same position.

I understand that there is a visceral contempt for Tamby by many fans. Many fans attribute his halting public speaking with a lack of intelligence, which is likely not the case. In addition, since Tamby played his cards so close to the vest, people attribute the lack of information that was forthcoming as a complete lack of activity, for which there is no proof. I am not an apologist for Tamby but would argue that the main difference between he and MacT is simply window dressing and presentation. The proof is in the pudding and I don't seem much of a difference in terms of what has been delivered thus far to improve a team that continues to flounder and really has become the Edmonton Islanders.

That's quite an insult to the Islanders.

The Islanders have made the playoffs twice in the last seven seasons and have a great young team.

They've been focusing on beefing up their D in the past few drafts and now have Hamonic, Reinhart and Pulock in the pipeline.

They were 8th in the league in GF last season so, if they can get their GA down, they should be poised to move up in the standings.

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#75 madjam
July 01 2013, 02:33PM
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DSF : Not sure what you mean by Bullets . I'd say we have maybe 9 caliber long range bullets and a few short caliber bullets (veterans in declining mode ) . Small crop of developing pellets and an overload of BB's . Not too many poly core slugs but an abundance of bird shot . Suggest we use quantity to procure more quality , and keep the bullets and quickly developing pellets . Softer bullets can be made available for upgrades even if more than one required to get a good one .

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#76 Former Oilers Diehard Fan
July 01 2013, 02:39PM
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DSF wrote:

That's quite an insult to the Islanders.

The Islanders have made the playoffs twice in the last seven seasons and have a great young team.

They've been focusing on beefing up their D in the past few drafts and now have Hamonic, Reinhart and Pulock in the pipeline.

They were 8th in the league in GF last season so, if they can get their GA down, they should be poised to move up in the standings.

The Islanders have improved. There is no doubt about it. The Oilers have assumed their position of the team that wanders, lost in the forest. And all the while we hear about the wonderful Oilers past and Kevin Lowe's six Stanley Cup rings . . .

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#77 Mike Krushelnyski
July 01 2013, 02:45PM
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@Former Oilers Diehard Fan

Totally agree. I mean if MacT hasn't done anything to improve the team by now when it's already several hours into July, what are the odds he's going to have any sort of competitive team on the ice by October?

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#78 Rama Lama
July 01 2013, 02:46PM
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madjam wrote:

No , and I have no reason as to why . Conjecture ?

Yes he was there, one reporter heard him talking to another GM and he was telling him about his " six Stanley Cup Rings" and how he was a champion once. Then the other GM told him '" yea that was a million years ago and now people think you are a loser".

There was a little swearing, and a few fist flying, and then security was called followed by paramedics as one of Kevins Lowes Stanley cup rings was embedded in the other GM's forehead.

Now according to sources he only has five Stanley Cup Rings.

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#79 Death Metal Nightmare
July 01 2013, 02:51PM
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reality:

when you have crappy, inconsistent players (or ones that were given roles and money beyond their ceiling) outside of the few kids you do not want to trade - you get boned by other teams offers.

too much polarization between bad vs. untouchable prospects, untouchable youth, and bad vets = not much strength in trade assets.

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#80 nuge2nail
July 01 2013, 02:55PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

I'm stunned at the stupidity of these posts. Simple.

Schneider > Nurse + Musil + Yakimov

Clutterbuck > Paarajvi

In what world is an elite goalie not better than a future top 4 defensive project.

Some fans here are unbelievable.

No Schneider is not overrated and yes he's worth #7 plus a second plus a prospect.

Plug a hole and move onto the next one. I think some fans are addicted to the infini-build and drafting players that will help the oilers in 2016.

Wake up- we need to win NOW. Our team is a joke, and players are getting too used losing

God I hope we sign Jagr to change some of the culture here.

Fans, players, management, coaches are all too used to losing.

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#81 DSF
July 01 2013, 02:55PM
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madjam wrote:

DSF : Not sure what you mean by Bullets . I'd say we have maybe 9 caliber long range bullets and a few short caliber bullets (veterans in declining mode ) . Small crop of developing pellets and an overload of BB's . Not too many poly core slugs but an abundance of bird shot . Suggest we use quantity to procure more quality , and keep the bullets and quickly developing pellets . Softer bullets can be made available for upgrades even if more than one required to get a good one .

Horcoff - negative value

Hemsky - negative value (might get a draft pick if you keep half his salary)

Smyth - zero value

Gagner - unsigned

Paajarvi - unsigned (would only be worth a roster player in a package)

Belanger (interesting that he hasn't been bought out tick tock)

Peckham - zero value

The Oilers can't afford to trade any defensemen currently on the roster so any trades they make will have to involve prospects who have some value.

Lander

Rajala

Pitlick

Klefbom

Marincin

Musil

Gernat

Unless a GM is dumping salary at this time of the year, they will be wanting to trade for players who can help them in the upcoming season.

Do you see any of those?

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#82 DSF
July 01 2013, 02:59PM
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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

Totally agree. I mean if MacT hasn't done anything to improve the team by now when it's already several hours into July, what are the odds he's going to have any sort of competitive team on the ice by October?

Generally speaking, the NHL transaction activity goes dark about a week after free agency as management take a vacation and then gears up for the coming season.

While I am sure there have been the occasional exceptions, MacT likely has less than two weeks to rebuild his roster.

We'll see.

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#83 nuge2nail
July 01 2013, 02:59PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

We need a top six winger with size, a new bottom six, a top 4 d, an a #1 goalie.

None of the problems plaguing the oilers for the last 7 years was addressed.

You people can really blame some of us fans who are upset about that.

Give me a break.

One trade In seven years that might be a positive for us.

Penner(30 goal scorer at the time) for a 17th overall pick. That's it.

How can a "team" of experts, a complete management team do so little with so much time.

You could pick up a random fan at a bar who could manage this team better.

Hope I'm wrong, but being wrong would mean we overpay at free agency.

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#84 nuge2nail
July 01 2013, 03:24PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Please sign Ference and Jagr and lets hope for the best.

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#85 WhattaMike
July 01 2013, 03:24PM
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Man O Man!!!! The Oilers are not far from the playoffs when considering what has to be done with geting the bottom six revamped, a goalie and a top LW...

The farm system was correctly replenished a bit yesterday with the exception of a goalie prospect basically.

The Oilers...if anyone does properly remember...were right at the 6 seed for the p-layoffs until...only...that wretched nine game winless streak of which was in connection to that horrific nine game road trip.

If anyone wants to compare the Oilers to the Islanders such as in the Islanders now have a great young team, I would do so in a heartbeatas I know the Oilers have better young talent, especially with whats coming up for the defence core in the next two yrs.

It was the GM last year (Tamby), the type of coaching, the inexperience of the kids, the many injuries, and also...the very bad veteran mentality (aka Belanger, Eager, Jones, Petrell, Smyth, Whitney, etc, even Horcoff and Hemsky) combined...that actually costed the Oilers a trip to the playoffs this past season.

Not the lack of core talent!!!!!

When ya got sulking players on top of injuries such as Whitney, Horcoff, Hemsky...cause they are being downgraded for the kids who actually are much better, aggressive and durable..along with poor coaching..then the end turned will always turn bad...

I want to see what MacT can do in the next ten weeks not one day and I want to see what Eakins and Acton do to get rid of the crap and type coach system that was played all season...before jumping onto the complainers wagon...

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#86 madjam
July 01 2013, 03:24PM
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DSF: In your first grouping . Timing off for a return on Horcoff and Hemsky as they will net us a bottom 6 player minimum ,maybe even top 9 for Hemsky if we wait for trade deadline . At that time the subsequent year would get good value for Horcoff . Value goes up instead of being so far down now . Paajarvi's worth should also multiply by having him one more year .Doesn't sound like Gagner is for sale . The rest might get us if packaged a good fourth liner .

Second Group: Bottom four keep for now : Top 3 should get us a reasonable player or two even if needed to be packaged . Two would be a stretch , however even with Jones in there .

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#87 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 01 2013, 03:25PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Yes he was there, one reporter heard him talking to another GM and he was telling him about his " six Stanley Cup Rings" and how he was a champion once. Then the other GM told him '" yea that was a million years ago and now people think you are a loser".

There was a little swearing, and a few fist flying, and then security was called followed by paramedics as one of Kevins Lowes Stanley cup rings was embedded in the other GM's forehead.

Now according to sources he only has five Stanley Cup Rings.

lmao

When MacKinnon cornered him, he responded with that 6 rings, I think I know a little bit about building a winning hockey club. This statement alone must tell us he's still very much in charge of this hockey club, and at of all places, MacTavishs' introduction as the new GM's press conference.

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#88 DSF
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madjam wrote:

DSF: In your first grouping . Timing off for a return on Horcoff and Hemsky as they will net us a bottom 6 player minimum ,maybe even top 9 for Hemsky if we wait for trade deadline . At that time the subsequent year would get good value for Horcoff . Value goes up instead of being so far down now . Paajarvi's worth should also multiply by having him one more year .Doesn't sound like Gagner is for sale . The rest might get us if packaged a good fourth liner .

Second Group: Bottom four keep for now : Top 3 should get us a reasonable player or two even if needed to be packaged . Two would be a stretch , however even with Jones in there .

1) Horcoff's value will never go up, never. He's turning 35 in a few weeks and his production at all facets of the game has fallen off a cliff.

2) Hemsky might get you some excess baggage at the deadline but at that time of the year, teams are looking to ADD good players not subtract them. There's also a pretty good chance Hemsky will be injured then so will be untradeable.

3) We really don't know what Paajarvi's value will be a year from now or what his cap hit will be and the team needs help NOW, not a year from now.

4) Yes it seems likely the Oilers will have no choice but to sign Gagner and the Oilers have handled it so badly that Gagner has ALL the leverage.

If the Oilers go into the season with Lander or Horcoff as their top centre, the season will be over by the end of October.

5) If you are unwilling to trade any of your decent prospects you won't get anything in return.

The last best hope for MacT, since he has close to zero tradeable assets is to strike it rich in free agency which is the absolute worst time to try adding players since you almost always have to overpay.

With Hopkins unlikely ready to start the season, MacT has an urgent need at centre.

He has to try and rebuild his bottom 6 with UFA players.

He needs at least 1 top 4 D.

And he has to find a #2G and #3G.

Tick tock.

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#89 Freewheeling Freddie
July 01 2013, 04:10PM
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Wow people want Mact to be a magician. Nothing happened at the draft for big Oiler trades. Friday will be a completely different story. However goaltending is a major problem throughout the organization .we need help at all levels.Down the middle is where I get real nervous.Still 3 months to go .

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#90 nuge2nail
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Well that, sure went downhill fast....

By the jist of your post, this whole "Oiler Domination to follow" thing you have going on there. Is that some holdover thing from the 80's? Or, just some slogan that doesn't need to be at all accurate/applicable about the current hockey team.

Are you guilty of partaking in too many Canada Day celebrations perhaps?

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It was something I believed when I started posting here three years ago.

Now it's something I'm holding on to, in hopes the team will fill the obvious holes.

Top six lw with size(to compliment the smaller center(Sam))

Bottom six forwards(I was hoping for Clutterbuck, smith, stafford)

Top 4 D (Coburn - now i guess ill settle for Ference)

Elite Goalie (Emery or Hiller type will do)

Who knows maybe MacT will address all these holes, and Oiler Domination Follows... I am sad to say my hope is starting to fade for the first time in my life.... Now I just hope I'm wrong...

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#91 DSF
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Lochenzo wrote:

Fine line between being bold and being reckless. MacT avoided being reckless.

There's also a fine line between risk aversion and paralysis.

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#92 nuge2nail
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Lochenzo wrote:

Fine line between being bold and being reckless. MacT avoided being reckless.

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I disagree. I think it's time to be reckless.

7 years of trading players for picks, trading players for prospects. Players like Sam Gagner have suffered long enough- get them some legit support. Chicago overpaid for Cambpell and Hossa around this time in their rebuild, that recklessness brought them a Stanley Cup.

Team should have sent a message to the young guys and traded some picks an prospects for useful players. The time to win is now, time to take risk and be reckless and I'm frustrated at the lack of movement.

Trade away the 2014 first rounder, package some prospects, take on some salary. We haven't seen a trade that's shown us any type of benefit in almost a decade. Isn't that what a GM is paid to do? If you just draft the bpa available every year - the head scout can do the job.

Take the Jays model, stack up on prospects and then trade them in packages deals for stars. Oilersnation has suffered long enough, time to reward us loyal fans with some bold moves. Time to reward the young players with a culture change(Jagr).

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#93 DSF
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Matheson saying MacT offered Pitlick and a 2nd for Clutterbuck. Hard to fault him because Minny took the Isles offer over that. I don't think Clutterbuck is worth more than that.

Pitlick has almost zero value as a replacement for an actual NHL player.

He scored 3 goals and 7 assists in the AHL last season.

Nino scored 28 goals and 22 assists.

Clutterbuck is WORTH exactly what someone was willing to pay for him.

If MacT thinks he can procure actual NHL players in return for his junk on the farm, he's really going to need an attitude adjustment.

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#94 Dave
July 01 2013, 04:33PM
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Why do the Oilers remind me of Blackberry at this point in time ?

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DSF wrote:

There's also a fine line between risk aversion and paralysis.

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MacT avoided overpaying with talent at the draft, goon on ya, on Friday it will be just fine to overpay with Katz,s money. go get me Mac

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#97 nuge2nail
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bumboclate wrote:

Your lost. Schneider is not worth that much. Imo mact wasnt a sucker! Schneider numbers are boosted by a defence in van. If dooby was playing van behind that D he would look better or just as good!

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This team is lost, wandering in a dessert with no end in sight.

Your lost. Schneider will be a Vezina Candidate a few times in his career. I'm sure you will say it's the defensive system in NJ causing him to have such great stats. Schneider has won every where he has gone, Luongos play didn't cause the goaltending controversy- Schneiders amazing steady reliable play did. The worst save percentage he has ever had was .927, do you even know what that means? Go read some Luongo quotes on Schneider, an than go have a twitter war with him about how good Schneider will end up.

Franchise goalies are worth more than a draft pick between 7-9.

Make yourself feel better by believing this team is getting better. We have the same holes we've had since peca, rolosan, and Pronger left.

Tick, Tock.

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#98 nuge2nail
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Might have be another one of those deals where Minnesota just didn't want him to go to another western conference opponent.

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Maybe it was one of those deals management didnt change a small peice to make the trade work.

Maybe take pitlick out an exchange him with a prospect who didnt have a horrible year.

That's a thought.

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#99 nuge2nail
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Colin wrote:

NO!!! Schneider is NOT worth what Vancouver asked edmonton for. Schneider is an "Unproven" goalie

NO!!! Cluterbuck is not worth Paaravi.

NO!!! We do not "Need" to win now. We need to improve and compete every year.

The real "Joke" is fans sacrificing the future for "maybe" now.

How has that worked for Toronto these past 50 years.

NO!!! We don't need 40 year old players nearing the end and a shadow of then selves.

You sound like Jason "Negative" Gregor. Every manager, every player, on every team is better than any Oiler.

We have the talent. Now, we need the supporting cast.

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Schneider is not unproven. Nurse is unproven- make sense.

For this team the guy who leads the league in hits every year is more valuable than the soft European guy who can't score and can't play in the bottom six.- make sense.

We do not need to win now?!? Please make some sense.

Sacrifice the future for the now, creates a better future.

Our last 7 years have been worse than Torontos.

Look what that 40 year old did for Claude Girioux. Character helps create a culture change, and Nurse is 2 years away.

Most teams are better than the oilers, at least 29 teams most years and 24 teams this year. Do you understand that?

The infini-build is never ending. Is it so much to ask for one positive trade or a star signing per decade. If we are just going to build through the draft whats the point of having a management "team".

Maybe if you yell NO!!! long enough all our problems will go away.

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#100 Newj
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@Eddie Shore

Garth & the Isles are similar to Oil (except they made the playoffs last year)& need some added grit & defensive capable forwards.

IMO the Isles did the right thing and filled those needs but gave up a 5th overall 1st rounder for Cal. Nino was a gifted prospect who hadnt yet made their club. My guess is he needed to learn how to play in all 3 zones & spent time in minors learning that. As opposed to the Oilers who perhaps should do same ie - Yak, MPS, Gagner.

Maybe MacT could have parted with similar talent to fill a much needed void. Ie - Paarjavi in exchange for Clutterbuck. Paarjavi was a 10th overall in the year prior to Nino.

Lots have said Garth was fleeced but atleast he is trying to fill a void & gave up good value to get good value. Seems right now MacT isnt willing to do same.

Im not answering for DSF but we offered very little compared to NYI & both teams have similar needs plus similar assets to trade with.

Cal isnt the end all be all, but he is type of forward we lack. Dont know the exact stats but Cal lead league for a number of years in hits. Something we use a little more of.

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