A GOOD DAY

Lowetide
July 10 2013 06:59PM

“Sam Gagner has really developed into a leader here, the type of character we want. And that’s going to be important when I’m making the decisions that we have the type of culture in that room. We’ve had a few years of too much of a circus in there. And that’s going to change" Craig MacTavish

This is (as the British say) a sticky wicket for player and team. Ideally this contract would have been signed a year ago and run several seasons into free agency. Sam Gagner filed today for salary arbitration, meaning the clock is ticking for a one year deal (the arbitration guarantees a one year contract, since there's no buying free agent seasons). This time next season, Gagner could be the youngest NHL free agent in league history and the Oilers want badly to make sure that doesn't happen.

On the other hand, Gagner has been a good soldier for the Oilers, in fact he's been instrumental in recruitment and has been a pleasure to watch with the puck. It's certain his representation is pushing for a strong number, a number that is likely outside the Oilers comfort zone (obviously, since he remains unsigned).

What's going to happen? In listening to Jason Gregor's show lately, I've gotten the feeling that both sides are interested in getting this thing done. Gagner as an Oiler makes sense, both sides are saying the right things and the money will get done. That's the feeling I get from listening to both sides, suspect it gets done well short of the hearing.

ARRIVALS AND DEPARTURES

The Oilers made a trade today, a big one, A BOLD ONE, if you will. David Perron is a veteran winger with terrific skills, and should be able to help turn those crazy 2line results from this past season. Perron is signed to a three year deal, and those seasons should be very successful in Edmonton. We talked about Perron here.

I think it's a solid addition by Craig MacTavish, and Perron's conversation with Jason Gregor earlier today suggests he's very much looking forward to playing LW on the Oilers this coming season.

DON'T STOP THERE!

MacT's quotes today were a stunning item for this Oilers fan. Allow me to quote the GM on the addition of Perron:

  • "He's right up there with controlling the play and shots for and against differential."

And then this one, courtesy Terry Jones:

  • “It’ll be a good test for our analytics guys. They have him with some of the game’s elite.”

What does this tell us? The Oilers are paying attention to advanced stats--shots for and against differential is absolutely Corsi--and that is a tremendous sign for the Oilers and Oilers Nation. And when he talks about analytics guys, those are the people who are digging down to see which players can survive difficult zone starts, tough minutes, miles and miles of bad road. This is a brilliant day.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

It means that when the Oilers have a chance to improve their 3line this summer, fall or next spring, they'll be signing or trading for more Daniel Winniks and fewer guys who can't do that difficult job.

It means success. It means, at some level ladies and gentlemen, that the Perron trade might be the second best thing for Oiler fans today.

That's a good day.

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#2 BArmstrong
July 10 2013, 10:27PM
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@DSF

That Drew Shore is one hell of a 2nd line center*

*AHL 2nd line center

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#3 Smokey
July 10 2013, 10:47PM
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Young Oil wrote:

Gagner, N. Schultz, D prospect not named Klefbom/Nurse, 2014 1st to CBJ for Dubinski and Nikitin?

Put down the bottle sir, so I smack you wth you with it.

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#4 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
July 11 2013, 12:33AM
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@Josh Oiler

Please god no. Big Sexy, Storts and Smac? You have discovered a rare, dangerous new kool aid formula and you downed the lot, didn't you?

Bring back Schremp and Souray while you're at it...

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#6 106 and 106
July 10 2013, 07:59PM
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"He's right up there with controlling the play and shots for and against differential."

[At the same time this is uttered, Willis instantly appears in a man-thong, shaking his hips to Journey and sipping a 2L bottle of Ridin' Dirty.]

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#7 Todd
July 10 2013, 09:28PM
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DSF wrote:

Anaheim's RW depth:

Corey Perry

Teemu Selanne (if he comes back)

Emerson Etem

Jakub Silfverberg

Devante Smyth-Pelly

Brad Staubitz

Stefan Noesen

Zack Stortini

I would think the Oilers would have to eat half of Hemsky's salary and throw in a 1st round pick to even get their attention

Haha.... This is funny. Hemsky at 2.5 mil + 1st round pick to 'get their attention' on Winnick.

That's ridiculous. That's the best line I've seen from you since you 'booked it' that Peter Mueller is better than Yakupov.

Thanks for the laughs... Hugzzz

#sh1tDSFsays

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#8 MKE
July 10 2013, 10:28PM
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DSF wrote:

Good grief.

Do you even think before you post this stuff?

Sasha Barkov

Drew Shore

Marcel Goc

Nick Bjugstad

Quinton Howden

Vincent Trocheck

You aren't even on your game tonight. Beyond Goc....all of these guys are unproven.

Gagner is an upgrade over everyone else at this point. Barkov might be better down the line, and most likely will be much better down the line.

But not at this point.

Mr Gillis you really are a train wreck tonight

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#9 MKE
July 10 2013, 10:38PM
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Oops.

Forgot Shawn Matthias.

Hell of a player.

Ya....second line center with a career high 24 points?

The koolaid must be strong tonight

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#11 Smokey
July 10 2013, 08:33PM
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106 and 106 wrote:

"He's right up there with controlling the play and shots for and against differential."

[At the same time this is uttered, Willis instantly appears in a man-thong, shaking his hips to Journey and sipping a 2L bottle of Ridin' Dirty.]

Post of the week up there with the guy who said his mother throws more hip checks then MPS at the grocery store getting to the till on seniors discount day.. Doesn't Oilernation not have a pizza sponser for best post of the week yet. Wayne should stop waxing his girly legs and burly back and get the Oilernation a free pizza deal for best damn post of the week. Or a free windsheild crack replacement. We Oilernation koolaid drinkers demand free swag...DAMMIT!!! Give us some LOVE.

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#12 GVBlackhawk
July 10 2013, 08:52PM
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DSF wrote:

Anaheim's RW depth:

Corey Perry

Teemu Selanne (if he comes back)

Emerson Etem

Jakub Silfverberg

Devante Smyth-Pelly

Brad Staubitz

Stefan Noesen

Zack Stortini

I would think the Oilers would have to eat half of Hemsky's salary and throw in a 1st round pick to even get their attention

DSF you are having a paranoid delusion if you think any team would include a first round draft pick for Daniel Winnik.

If you are constructing an argument vis-a-vis the Ducks' RW depth, leave the last four players off your list. Staubitz and Stortini are bad. Smyth-Pelly is not much better. Noesen is unproven. Even Etem, although I think he is decent, only scored ten points last season. Perry and Silfverberg are good players for sure.

This list kind of reminds me of your Minnesota Wild defense list. Lots of names but low quality.

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#13 Shifty203
July 10 2013, 09:18PM
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Jerod wrote:

Size matters in the NHL.

Martin St. Louis called. He said you're out of touch with reality.

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#14 GVBlackhawk
July 10 2013, 09:41PM
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Jerod wrote:

Aberration

Patrick Kane doesn't agree with you.

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#15 Eddie Shore
July 10 2013, 07:42PM
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Funny how a lot of people are up in arms about Paajarvi's "potential" when he got moved but Gagner has reached his potential and should be moved. Gagner is only two years older than MPS.

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#16 kdunbar
July 10 2013, 08:30PM
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Does anyone think that manny malhotra would be worth taking a chance on for our fourth line?

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#17 Taylor Gang
July 10 2013, 08:34PM
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Senhor wrote:

I liked all of Tambellini's signings 2 years ago, as most fans , writers, and basement bloggers did. I like what MacT has done also. So what have we learned? Play the games.

This move is bolder than anything Tambellini did through his time in Edmonton

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#18 Oiler Al
July 10 2013, 09:00PM
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Why not list Gagner at 6 ft. and 205 lbs. and then resign him.

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#19 Ari Gold
July 10 2013, 09:24PM
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Here here! Great trade.

Now dump Hemsky for spair parts.

Trade Gagner for a solid Dman.

Sign Grabo! He's super high on the 'crazy nuts. His insanity-CORSI is off the scale!

Hang Whitney from the Gretzky statue as incentive for the others to perform.

Do it.

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#20 Gaz
July 10 2013, 09:26PM
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DSF wrote:

Anaheim's RW depth:

Corey Perry

Teemu Selanne (if he comes back)

Emerson Etem

Jakub Silfverberg

Devante Smyth-Pelly

Brad Staubitz

Stefan Noesen

Zack Stortini

I would think the Oilers would have to eat half of Hemsky's salary and throw in a 1st round pick to even get their attention

I agree that the RW depth looks good, but at this point (and considering Hemsky's contract is up next year), he'd slot in behind Perry and Selanne.

Doesn't strike me as an Anaheim-type player anyway, but the fact remains, he'd slot in there.

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#21 Fee Logolin
July 10 2013, 09:27PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Wonder if we'll ever be able to pry Coburn out of Philly now. You'd have to think a 2nd round pick would have to be part of that deal.

Only two scenarios I saw working would be Hemsky (Oil eating half his salary/cap) plus a 2nd round pick, or Nick Schultz plus a 2nd round pick.

Maybe Nick Schultz straight up for Coburn? Oilers eat quarter of Schultz's salary/cap hit?

Would love to see the following d pairings to start the season:

Coburn - Ference

Smid - Petry

Klefbom - J Schultz

IF we can still work with Philly it is going to have to be a big salary like Coburn for almost no salary back they are just over $2M over cap? - Coburn's Cap hit is $4.5M N Schultz at $3.5M doesn't get it done. Probably will take a Petry and prospect/pick combo or Potter and Prospectsx?? to even get a sniff. I think Petry + is what will happen IF anything does on that end.

On that end then how about:

Coburn - J Schultz Smid - Ference N Schultz - Klefbom

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#22 Copper
July 10 2013, 09:38PM
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Don't like the trade. MP destined to be a long time 3rd line winger. Yes Peron looks good but, until (if) Hemsky is traded, he's a $3.8M 3rd line winger. Our prospect depth is on D. That's where we should have traded from. Now, cap room is scarce for quality Dman

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#23 MKE
July 10 2013, 09:41PM
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@DSF

First off, if Selanne retires their scoring touch on the right side is thin.

Etem has 3 career goals.

Silfverberg has 10.

Staubitz isn't a goal scorer.

Smith-Pelly has 7. And so on.

So I'd hardly say A SCORING WINGER is redundant.

Second off, your comments were insane. Period.

Like I said Mr Gillis......as you were.

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#25 MKE
July 10 2013, 10:15PM
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And I don't think Ryan Johansen is a viable option as a second line center. I want to be wrong but I see him as another Brule..

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#26 nuge2nail
July 10 2013, 10:22PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Oilers can only think of trading Gagner If they sign Grabovski, we can't have Gordan play second line center. So until that happens please stop suggesting it.

We should just bring in Malone or Morrow to play on the third line with Gordan and Jones.

Hall - Hopkins - Eberle

Perron - Gagner - Yakupov

Malone/Morrow - Gordan - Jones

Smyth - Lander - Eager/Brown

Need a new fourth line center and a fourth line rw but not a bad lineup. The compete level Ference, Gordan, Perron bring are going to impact the lineup... Morrow would help as well.

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#27 DSF
July 10 2013, 10:23PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Gagner would have terrific value. Florida would love him I'm sure, but of course Edmonton has issues at C as well.

Good grief.

Do you even think before you post this stuff?

Sasha Barkov

Drew Shore

Marcel Goc

Nick Bjugstad

Quinton Howden

Vincent Trocheck

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#28 MKE
July 10 2013, 10:24PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Oilers can only think of trading Gagner If they sign Grabovski, we can't have Gordan play second line center. So until that happens please stop suggesting it.

We should just bring in Malone or Morrow to play on the third line with Gordan and Jones.

Hall - Hopkins - Eberle

Perron - Gagner - Yakupov

Malone/Morrow - Gordan - Jones

Smyth - Lander - Eager/Brown

Need a new fourth line center and a fourth line rw but not a bad lineup. The compete level Ference, Gordan, Perron bring are going to impact the lineup... Morrow would help as well.

It's totally plausible they move him if he won't sign for a reasonable number on a long term deal.

So since its still a free country, I'll suggest it all I want :)

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#29 DSF
July 10 2013, 10:34PM
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Oops.

Forgot Shawn Matthias.

Hell of a player.

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#30 k
July 10 2013, 10:37PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Gagner would have terrific value. Florida would love him I'm sure, but of course Edmonton has issues at C as well.

If Sam had any value he'd be long gone. Sam is the most over-rated player in Oiler history. He isn't very good in any one area and downright awful MOST NIGHT.

MacT would be wise to trade him for an early 2nd round pick. He is a big cut below a top 6 player and can't play 3 or 4 line.

Bye Sam!

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#31 winger10
July 10 2013, 10:43PM
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@DSF

Seriously, please just stop. Your comments and arguments are so ridiculous and asinine, it really makes this site terrible. I'm sick of seeing "DSF" everywhere with the same type of stupid comment. Just leave.

It's a good day in Oilersnation, the only thing that could make it any better would be if you disappeared.

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#32 Josh Oiler
July 11 2013, 12:17AM
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1: Hall - Eberle - Nuge 2. Perron - Yak City - Gagner 3. HEMSKEY - Gordon - Jones 4. Brown - Smyth - Fraser/konopka

1. Shultz Jr. - Shultz Sr. 2. Klefbomb - Ference 3. Belov - Petry Ladislav SMID

I'd say our top 3 lines are as good as any in the league. Why we need size on those lines. Lets fill our 4th line with crashers and bangers like the old days when we had MacIntyre -STORTINI - Jacques. Wow the energy!

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#33 nuge2nail
July 10 2013, 07:10PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Great trade, great day, great article.

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#34 messyEH!
July 10 2013, 07:11PM
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Sail on MPS. Please don't leave for the KHL.

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#35 book¡e
July 10 2013, 07:13PM
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Does our advanced stats team agree?

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#36 nuge2nail
July 10 2013, 07:21PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Last time I saw Willis he was doing carthweels but I wouldn't want to say.

Oiler Domination To Follow

That's coincidental because I was doing back flips when I heard of the trade as well.

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#37 horndog77
July 10 2013, 07:29PM
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LT can you give me your best case scenario for the oilers third and fourth lines? The top two lines are a no brainer but with the additions so far I'm not sure who's going where. Does Hemsky still get traded or does he stay on that third line

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#38 Racki
July 10 2013, 07:30PM
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Things are looking up for the Oil.. still have to play the games, but on paper this team is looking better and better. MacT has been true to his word on the number of new faces we're seeing. The boldness? Maybe not so much, but I think moving Paajarvi I'd consider fairly bold. Most of us didn't expect it. He brought in a really good player in the process that will improve the team.

We all also have to remember that while Tambellini had been bumbling around with this team for a while trying to make it a winner (maybe??), this is year 0 for MacT. He's got work to do, but so far I think the team looks like it is better off.

That all remains to be seen though, but I am pretty confident the team is in good hands.

Next up, find a home for Hemsky... and also get Gagner signed before arbitration (although I still would like to see him moved, I guess the arbitration temporarily stalls that possibility).

Edit: I remember now, it's not that he can't be traded, it's that he can't sign an offersheet with someone else.

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#39 Larry
July 10 2013, 07:30PM
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Arnie Johnson

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#40 oilbaron
July 10 2013, 07:30PM
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seems like a lot people undervalue perron. Look at his hands! Love the trade; Paajarvi will probably be a decent fit in st louis, and talk about skill in the oilers top 6.

get a top 3 D and I think they're pushing for a modest playoff burst. So excited to watch this team play next year!!!

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#41 DSF
July 10 2013, 07:32PM
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Racki wrote:

Things are looking up for the Oil.. still have to play the games, but on paper this team is looking better and better. MacT has been true to his word on the number of new faces we're seeing. The boldness? Maybe not so much, but I think moving Paajarvi I'd consider fairly bold. Most of us didn't expect it. He brought in a really good player in the process that will improve the team.

We all also have to remember that while Tambellini had been bumbling around with this team for a while trying to make it a winner (maybe??), this is year 0 for MacT. He's got work to do, but so far I think the team looks like it is better off.

That all remains to be seen though, but I am pretty confident the team is in good hands.

Next up, find a home for Hemsky... and also get Gagner signed before arbitration (although I still would like to see him moved, I guess the arbitration temporarily stalls that possibility).

Edit: I remember now, it's not that he can't be traded, it's that he can't sign an offersheet with someone else.

The Oilers can still negotiate up until the arbitration hearing (July 22-Aug 6) but if they can't reach an agreement they either have to accept the award or walk away.

I think they'll trade him before then

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#42 Eddie Shore
July 10 2013, 07:32PM
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@Lowetide

With the trade today I think the writing is officially on the wall for Hemsky. I have a hard time picturing a Jones Gordon Hemsky 3rd line. Would it be possible to pick up a 3RW and a 2nd round pick for Hemsky?

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#44 Racki
July 10 2013, 07:36PM
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DSF wrote:

The Oilers can still negotiate up until the arbitration hearing (July 22-Aug 6) but if they can't reach an agreement they either have to accept the award or walk away.

I think they'll trade him before then

Yah I know they can negotiate up until the hearing, I was referring to a rule that I don't completely remember (and might not exist). Re: the arbitration temporary stalling, that was referring to temporary stalling him being MOVED. I thought once a decision was made for a player to go to arbitration, they couldn't be traded during that period. I can't recall if that is true, or if it applies to player elected, team elected, or both.

But anyways, I think they will sign him. They might trade him after that. I actually hope they do, even if the optics might not be the best. But I want to see a more solid #2C here.

Edit: my memory kicked in.. it's not that they can't be traded, it's that they can't sign an offersheet.. nm.

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#46 horndog77
July 10 2013, 07:41PM
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So a Smyth / Gordon/ Hemsky for the third Then a Eager/ Lander/ Brown for the fourth

Gotta say that third line doesn't do much for me.

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#47 Racki
July 10 2013, 07:41PM
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Wherever Hemsky goes, I'm pretty sure the Oilers are going to have to eat some salary.. but for one year, it won't be so bad.

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#49 Racki
July 10 2013, 07:47PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Would you do Hemsky to Anaheim for Winnick and a pick?

Being in the same div as they are next year, I'm not sure both teams would buy into that idea.. but I would do it. Winnick brings great size and defensive ability. I could have sworn his offensive numbers were better than they are, but I guess that just means he's probably a very streaky player (which isn't good, but I'd still consider him a better fit for what we need).

My top choice would be for a Torres kind of spark plug though (just not Torres). Too bad Clutterbuck didn't work out.

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#50 dv.asteroid
July 10 2013, 07:52PM
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Please trade Sam... he and oil will both be better having done so.

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