A GOOD DAY

Lowetide
July 10 2013 06:59PM

“Sam Gagner has really developed into a leader here, the type of character we want. And that’s going to be important when I’m making the decisions that we have the type of culture in that room. We’ve had a few years of too much of a circus in there. And that’s going to change" Craig MacTavish

This is (as the British say) a sticky wicket for player and team. Ideally this contract would have been signed a year ago and run several seasons into free agency. Sam Gagner filed today for salary arbitration, meaning the clock is ticking for a one year deal (the arbitration guarantees a one year contract, since there's no buying free agent seasons). This time next season, Gagner could be the youngest NHL free agent in league history and the Oilers want badly to make sure that doesn't happen.

On the other hand, Gagner has been a good soldier for the Oilers, in fact he's been instrumental in recruitment and has been a pleasure to watch with the puck. It's certain his representation is pushing for a strong number, a number that is likely outside the Oilers comfort zone (obviously, since he remains unsigned).

What's going to happen? In listening to Jason Gregor's show lately, I've gotten the feeling that both sides are interested in getting this thing done. Gagner as an Oiler makes sense, both sides are saying the right things and the money will get done. That's the feeling I get from listening to both sides, suspect it gets done well short of the hearing.

ARRIVALS AND DEPARTURES

The Oilers made a trade today, a big one, A BOLD ONE, if you will. David Perron is a veteran winger with terrific skills, and should be able to help turn those crazy 2line results from this past season. Perron is signed to a three year deal, and those seasons should be very successful in Edmonton. We talked about Perron here.

I think it's a solid addition by Craig MacTavish, and Perron's conversation with Jason Gregor earlier today suggests he's very much looking forward to playing LW on the Oilers this coming season.

DON'T STOP THERE!

MacT's quotes today were a stunning item for this Oilers fan. Allow me to quote the GM on the addition of Perron:

  • "He's right up there with controlling the play and shots for and against differential."

And then this one, courtesy Terry Jones:

  • “It’ll be a good test for our analytics guys. They have him with some of the game’s elite.”

What does this tell us? The Oilers are paying attention to advanced stats--shots for and against differential is absolutely Corsi--and that is a tremendous sign for the Oilers and Oilers Nation. And when he talks about analytics guys, those are the people who are digging down to see which players can survive difficult zone starts, tough minutes, miles and miles of bad road. This is a brilliant day.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

It means that when the Oilers have a chance to improve their 3line this summer, fall or next spring, they'll be signing or trading for more Daniel Winniks and fewer guys who can't do that difficult job.

It means success. It means, at some level ladies and gentlemen, that the Perron trade might be the second best thing for Oiler fans today.

That's a good day.

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#51 Oiler Al
July 10 2013, 09:01PM
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Why not list Gagner at 6 ft. and 205 lbs. and then resign him.

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#52 Racki
July 10 2013, 09:01PM
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Mike Krushelnyski wrote:

Agreed. Sam is a streaky player and will get a big arbitration deal based on a good shortened season with elite linemates. His camp knows this and will squeeze the oilers big time in contract negotiations. The ghost of Tambo screws us for hopefully the last time with that 1 year deal.

Does anyone know what happens when a player has already filed for arbitration, but gets his rights traded before signing a deal? Does he have to re-file for arbitration or does he get the same hearing date with the new team?

Oops.. deleted my original post.... I just remembered that a player can't SIGN AN OFFER SHEET when they're awaiting arbitration.. not that they can't be traded. Ignore me.

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#53 bazmagoo
July 10 2013, 09:01PM
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Wonder if we'll ever be able to pry Coburn out of Philly now. You'd have to think a 2nd round pick would have to be part of that deal.

Only two scenarios I saw working would be Hemsky (Oil eating half his salary/cap) plus a 2nd round pick, or Nick Schultz plus a 2nd round pick.

Maybe Nick Schultz straight up for Coburn? Oilers eat quarter of Schultz's salary/cap hit?

Would love to see the following d pairings to start the season:

Coburn - Ference

Smid - Petry

Klefbom - J Schultz

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#54 madjam
July 10 2013, 09:07PM
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Lowetide : Firstly , what would it take to get Cliff Thorburn off the Jets , and A.Henrique off the Devils . Secondly would they be good acquisitions ?

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#55 RexLibris
July 10 2013, 09:09PM
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Alyssa Milano.

Nice choice. The only reason I watched Who's the Boss.

Looking at this trade now this is what I get from it: MacTavish turned a 3LW into a 2LW.

That is worth noting for this organization.

The Oilers are a better team when I go to bed tonight than they were when I woke up this morning.

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#56 Jerod
July 10 2013, 09:10PM
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Size matters in the NHL.

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#57 BArmstrong
July 10 2013, 09:15PM
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Hemsky will not be back in the Oiler's locker room again. MacT will move him, but I'll bet he eats some or most of the salary/cap hit.

In the last four seasons, Hemsky has potted 10 goals per. Perhaps a 10 goal per season scorer with a juicy 5mil contract isn't as desirable as all you Hemsky fans think.

I know how it feels, I was a Horcoff fan.

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#58 Quicksilver ballet
July 10 2013, 09:16PM
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If every dollar possible is Gagners paramount concern, then deal him now rather than complicating things 2 or 3 yrs down the road. He'll still get the most important thing to him from his next team.

I'd rather watch Hall, RNH, Yakupov, Eberle and Schultz before i'd watch Ganye. Puck Sam.

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#59 Shifty203
July 10 2013, 09:18PM
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Jerod wrote:

Size matters in the NHL.

Martin St. Louis called. He said you're out of touch with reality.

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#60 Quicksilver ballet
July 10 2013, 09:21PM
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BArmstrong wrote:

Hemsky will not be back in the Oiler's locker room again. MacT will move him, but I'll bet he eats some or most of the salary/cap hit.

In the last four seasons, Hemsky has potted 10 goals per. Perhaps a 10 goal per season scorer with a juicy 5mil contract isn't as desirable as all you Hemsky fans think.

I know how it feels, I was a Horcoff fan.

Rather than take a bath on him this summer. Why not see how things go and move him at the Trade deadline?

Could get a second rounder back for him.

Guess there goes the Clifford thing with the Oilers moving that selection today.

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#61 Jerod
July 10 2013, 09:22PM
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Shifty203 wrote:

Martin St. Louis called. He said you're out of touch with reality.

Aberration

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#62 Gaz
July 10 2013, 09:26PM
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DSF wrote:

Anaheim's RW depth:

Corey Perry

Teemu Selanne (if he comes back)

Emerson Etem

Jakub Silfverberg

Devante Smyth-Pelly

Brad Staubitz

Stefan Noesen

Zack Stortini

I would think the Oilers would have to eat half of Hemsky's salary and throw in a 1st round pick to even get their attention

I agree that the RW depth looks good, but at this point (and considering Hemsky's contract is up next year), he'd slot in behind Perry and Selanne.

Doesn't strike me as an Anaheim-type player anyway, but the fact remains, he'd slot in there.

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#63 Fee Logolin
July 10 2013, 09:27PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Wonder if we'll ever be able to pry Coburn out of Philly now. You'd have to think a 2nd round pick would have to be part of that deal.

Only two scenarios I saw working would be Hemsky (Oil eating half his salary/cap) plus a 2nd round pick, or Nick Schultz plus a 2nd round pick.

Maybe Nick Schultz straight up for Coburn? Oilers eat quarter of Schultz's salary/cap hit?

Would love to see the following d pairings to start the season:

Coburn - Ference

Smid - Petry

Klefbom - J Schultz

IF we can still work with Philly it is going to have to be a big salary like Coburn for almost no salary back they are just over $2M over cap? - Coburn's Cap hit is $4.5M N Schultz at $3.5M doesn't get it done. Probably will take a Petry and prospect/pick combo or Potter and Prospectsx?? to even get a sniff. I think Petry + is what will happen IF anything does on that end.

On that end then how about:

Coburn - J Schultz Smid - Ference N Schultz - Klefbom

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#64 Todd
July 10 2013, 09:28PM
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DSF wrote:

Anaheim's RW depth:

Corey Perry

Teemu Selanne (if he comes back)

Emerson Etem

Jakub Silfverberg

Devante Smyth-Pelly

Brad Staubitz

Stefan Noesen

Zack Stortini

I would think the Oilers would have to eat half of Hemsky's salary and throw in a 1st round pick to even get their attention

Haha.... This is funny. Hemsky at 2.5 mil + 1st round pick to 'get their attention' on Winnick.

That's ridiculous. That's the best line I've seen from you since you 'booked it' that Peter Mueller is better than Yakupov.

Thanks for the laughs... Hugzzz

#sh1tDSFsays

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#65 BArmstrong
July 10 2013, 09:29PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

I think there'd be too much weirdness between parties. And, the locker room would suffer - more from a general discomfort than actual dissension.

I'll bet you the back of pucks that comes back in the deal that he's moved before training camp:)

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#66 MKE
July 10 2013, 09:29PM
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DSF wrote:

Anaheim's RW depth:

Corey Perry

Teemu Selanne (if he comes back)

Emerson Etem

Jakub Silfverberg

Devante Smyth-Pelly

Brad Staubitz

Stefan Noesen

Zack Stortini

I would think the Oilers would have to eat half of Hemsky's salary and throw in a 1st round pick to even get their attention

So Mike Gillis....the Oilers are going to give the Ducks a scoring winger at a cap hit of 2.5 million, AND throw in a first round pick?

And they have to offer that to even get the Ducks attention for Daniel Winnik? The guy with a career high 11 goals and no more then 26 points in a season? And with a very average cap hit of 1.8 million?

Not only is this totally insane...even for you, but I've always figured someone with such an ego and thirst for perfection would make posts that were even somewhat realistic.

Go back in your hole Mike Gillis. And continue your tail spin to the unemployment line

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#68 BArmstrong
July 10 2013, 09:34PM
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@MKE

Are DSF and Mike Gillis the same? Holy %$@#!

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#69 DSF
July 10 2013, 09:35PM
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BArmstrong wrote:

Are DSF and Mike Gillis the same? Holy %$@#!

Yes. :)

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#70 Copper
July 10 2013, 09:38PM
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Don't like the trade. MP destined to be a long time 3rd line winger. Yes Peron looks good but, until (if) Hemsky is traded, he's a $3.8M 3rd line winger. Our prospect depth is on D. That's where we should have traded from. Now, cap room is scarce for quality Dman

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#71 BArmstrong
July 10 2013, 09:39PM
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@DSF

Isn't Etem a center and Silfverberg a LW?

I agree that the Ducks have NO desire for Hemsky.

Gotta think Garth Snow - he might bite.

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#72 GVBlackhawk
July 10 2013, 09:41PM
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Jerod wrote:

Aberration

Patrick Kane doesn't agree with you.

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#73 MKE
July 10 2013, 09:41PM
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@DSF

First off, if Selanne retires their scoring touch on the right side is thin.

Etem has 3 career goals.

Silfverberg has 10.

Staubitz isn't a goal scorer.

Smith-Pelly has 7. And so on.

So I'd hardly say A SCORING WINGER is redundant.

Second off, your comments were insane. Period.

Like I said Mr Gillis......as you were.

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#74 Quicksilver ballet
July 10 2013, 09:42PM
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BArmstrong wrote:

I think there'd be too much weirdness between parties. And, the locker room would suffer - more from a general discomfort than actual dissension.

I'll bet you the back of pucks that comes back in the deal that he's moved before training camp:)

Could he be anymore withdrawn in that room than he is already? Not sure he's much of a leader at all really. He'd be the same teammate he's been the last 5 yrs i'm thinking. If he wants his paycheque that is.

You're probably right though. Like Horcoff, the feeling is probably mutual with Hemsky as well. Be a decent change to have added a first guy on the ice,last one off in Perron, for Hemsky who was the last guy on, and the first one off.

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#75 MKE
July 10 2013, 09:48PM
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BArmstrong wrote:

Are DSF and Mike Gillis the same? Holy %$@#!

Ya...their egos are exactly the same size, and they both spend all their time talking crazy out of their A#$.

That's when I made the connection

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#76 MKE
July 10 2013, 10:01PM
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Just a thought. And this has probably already been thrown out there.

If Sam won't resign in a reasonable time frame, I don't think the Oilers keep him.

So if they can't get him resigned to a long term deal, what do you do for a second line center? I just don't think it makes sense to over pay for Gagner

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#78 madjam
July 10 2013, 10:12PM
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Lowetide wrote:

It's funny, because I call the WPG winger Cliff Thorburn because of that pool player guy, wonder if you do the same? Anyway, it's CHRIS Thorburn. I always call him Cliff. 4line guy, not much of a player but he's big and can cause harm. He's certainly good enough to play in the NHL doing a tough job, so if the Oilers want that player type I'd think he would be a player of interest.

Henrique is a whole other deal. He's a real nice player, should have a strong career.

Yes , and thanks for correcting me . He does have some offence but limited as are most 4th liners . Jets got him for a third round pick . How to guage Henrique is difficult to figure what type of offer would be required .

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#79 MKE
July 10 2013, 10:13PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Gagner would have terrific value. Florida would love him I'm sure, but of course Edmonton has issues at C as well.

Ya Edmonton almost needs a center back in that deal. Almost like a lateral move. I'm racking my brain. But I can't think of a "win win" trade with anyone involving a center.

I mean you can trade Gagner+ for a dman, but then you are still left with a huge whole at center. So I don't claim to know either.

Columbus does come to mind again with maybe a bigger trade involving two or three pieces from both sides...

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#80 MKE
July 10 2013, 10:15PM
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And I don't think Ryan Johansen is a viable option as a second line center. I want to be wrong but I see him as another Brule..

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#81 MKE
July 10 2013, 10:21PM
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@Young Oil

Not a bad deal depending on what the + part is

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#82 nuge2nail
July 10 2013, 10:22PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Oilers can only think of trading Gagner If they sign Grabovski, we can't have Gordan play second line center. So until that happens please stop suggesting it.

We should just bring in Malone or Morrow to play on the third line with Gordan and Jones.

Hall - Hopkins - Eberle

Perron - Gagner - Yakupov

Malone/Morrow - Gordan - Jones

Smyth - Lander - Eager/Brown

Need a new fourth line center and a fourth line rw but not a bad lineup. The compete level Ference, Gordan, Perron bring are going to impact the lineup... Morrow would help as well.

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#83 DSF
July 10 2013, 10:23PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Gagner would have terrific value. Florida would love him I'm sure, but of course Edmonton has issues at C as well.

Good grief.

Do you even think before you post this stuff?

Sasha Barkov

Drew Shore

Marcel Goc

Nick Bjugstad

Quinton Howden

Vincent Trocheck

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#84 MKE
July 10 2013, 10:24PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Oilers can only think of trading Gagner If they sign Grabovski, we can't have Gordan play second line center. So until that happens please stop suggesting it.

We should just bring in Malone or Morrow to play on the third line with Gordan and Jones.

Hall - Hopkins - Eberle

Perron - Gagner - Yakupov

Malone/Morrow - Gordan - Jones

Smyth - Lander - Eager/Brown

Need a new fourth line center and a fourth line rw but not a bad lineup. The compete level Ference, Gordan, Perron bring are going to impact the lineup... Morrow would help as well.

It's totally plausible they move him if he won't sign for a reasonable number on a long term deal.

So since its still a free country, I'll suggest it all I want :)

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#85 BArmstrong
July 10 2013, 10:27PM
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@DSF

That Drew Shore is one hell of a 2nd line center*

*AHL 2nd line center

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#86 MKE
July 10 2013, 10:28PM
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DSF wrote:

Good grief.

Do you even think before you post this stuff?

Sasha Barkov

Drew Shore

Marcel Goc

Nick Bjugstad

Quinton Howden

Vincent Trocheck

You aren't even on your game tonight. Beyond Goc....all of these guys are unproven.

Gagner is an upgrade over everyone else at this point. Barkov might be better down the line, and most likely will be much better down the line.

But not at this point.

Mr Gillis you really are a train wreck tonight

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#87 nuge2nail
July 10 2013, 10:32PM
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MKE wrote:

It's totally plausible they move him if he won't sign for a reasonable number on a long term deal.

So since its still a free country, I'll suggest it all I want :)

Oiler Domination To Follow

Feel free to suggest it- as long as your suggestion has a 2nd line center coming back in the trade.

While your at it throw in a 4th line center coming back our way as well.

We need one of those too.

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#88 madjam
July 10 2013, 10:34PM
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Whats Hemsky worth if we trade him now ? Probably the lowest value he will ever be at I suspect . At trade deadline comes perhaps a second plus . Then at seasons end it is possible for him to resign with us at a contract that might benefit us . Not saying it would happen , but not totally discarding it either depending on how well he does for us this season perhaps .

Side note : Jets are bare/starved for offensive R.Wingers except for Wheeler . I'd be surprised if they were not interested in Hemsky .

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#89 DSF
July 10 2013, 10:34PM
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Oops.

Forgot Shawn Matthias.

Hell of a player.

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#90 MKE
July 10 2013, 10:34PM
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@nuge2nail

I'm not as worried about a 4th. And ya they do need to have someone else replace Gagner if you move him.

But you can't bring him back on a one year deal and risk losing him as a UFA

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#91 MKE
July 10 2013, 10:37PM
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@madjam

He has some value to the right team who has a need for his skill set. I know...i'm stating the obvious.

If you could move him for a useful roster player without having to take any of Hemsky's cap hit, I would say that would be a win. IMO

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#92 MKE
July 10 2013, 10:38PM
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Oops.

Forgot Shawn Matthias.

Hell of a player.

Ya....second line center with a career high 24 points?

The koolaid must be strong tonight

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#93 DSF
July 10 2013, 10:38PM
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MKE wrote:

You aren't even on your game tonight. Beyond Goc....all of these guys are unproven.

Gagner is an upgrade over everyone else at this point. Barkov might be better down the line, and most likely will be much better down the line.

But not at this point.

Mr Gillis you really are a train wreck tonight

Yeah, I'd go spend $5M on a player who isn't likely better than any of those guys,

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#95 BArmstrong
July 10 2013, 10:38PM
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Derek Stepan? Is he still an RFA? Would he sign an offer sheet? Anything between 3.4 and 5 million is a first and a third compensation (Oiler's have those, no?)

If Stepan signs, move an unsigned Gags+ for #2 or #3 D-man.

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#96 MKE
July 10 2013, 10:41PM
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@k

You must be drinking the same koolaid as DSF tonight

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#97 DSF
July 10 2013, 10:43PM
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I think Dave Keon lives in Florida, maybe throw him in!

Oh, give it up.

Florida likely has 3 centres who are better than than Sam right out of the box.

They're not going to spend a cent to get 50 cents on the dollar.

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#98 winger10
July 10 2013, 10:43PM
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@DSF

Seriously, please just stop. Your comments and arguments are so ridiculous and asinine, it really makes this site terrible. I'm sick of seeing "DSF" everywhere with the same type of stupid comment. Just leave.

It's a good day in Oilersnation, the only thing that could make it any better would be if you disappeared.

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#99 Stack Pad Save
July 10 2013, 10:45PM
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Any word on Mason Raymond signing any where? I think he would be a great fit as a 3rd line LW who can move up ...

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#100 MKE
July 10 2013, 10:45PM
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BArmstrong wrote:

Derek Stepan? Is he still an RFA? Would he sign an offer sheet? Anything between 3.4 and 5 million is a first and a third compensation (Oiler's have those, no?)

If Stepan signs, move an unsigned Gags+ for #2 or #3 D-man.

i like it

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