PERRON FOR PAAJARVI

Robin Brownlee
July 10 2013 02:46PM

Whether you deem it the bold move GM Craig MacTavish talked about, the Edmonton Oilers today made their most substantial move of this off-season, acquiring left winger David Perron from the St. Louis Blues for Magnus Paajarvi and a draft pick.

The Oilers get Perron, 25, who has 198 points in 340 NHL games with the Blues, including 10-15-25 in 48 games this season. In exchange, St. Louis gets Paajarvi, who was selected 10th overall by the Oilers in 2009, and a second-round draft pick.

Perron, six feet and 200 pounds, has three years remaining on a contract that pays him $3.5 million next season and carries a cap hit of $3,812.500 for the balance of the term.

More to come.

FROM THE OILERS

News release: "General Manager Craig MacTavish announced today the Edmonton Oilers have acquired left wing David Perron from the St. Louis Blues in exchange for left wing Magnus Paajarvi and a 2nd round selection in the 2014 NHL Entry Draft.

"Perron, 25, has spent the past six seasons with the St. Louis Blues organization, registering 198 points (84G, 114A) and 232 penalty minutes in 340 games with the Blues.

"In 2012-13, the 6'0", 205-pound, forward recorded 25 points (10G, 15A) and 44 penalty minutes in 48 games with St. Louis. He added two assists in six playoff games.

"The native of Sherbrooke, Quebec played junior hockey in the QMJHL with the Lewiston MAINEiacs for one season, registering 83 points (39G, 44A) in 70 games leading all rookies in the league that season in goals.

"Perron was originally selected by St. Louis in the 1st round, 26th overall in the 2007 NHL Entry Draft."

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#1 bwar
July 10 2013, 03:31PM
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Offer sheet Paajarvi.

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#2 Rob
July 10 2013, 02:57PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Size listed is directly from HockeyDB.com. Listed the likewise at HockeyReference.com Others have five-foot-11, 196. Big issue for you or just being a dick?

Haha 1 inch is pretty significant for a dick!

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#4 LinkfromHyrule
July 10 2013, 03:25PM
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holy crap people you all bitch when mact can't get anything done, now you all bitch when he does. It's not like we're the first team in history to overpay, and that can be the cost of doing business if nobody is biting.

Not only that I think a lot of you are seriously overvaluing our assets. Paajarvi may turn out great, but he may also not. You have to give quality to get quality... Perron is what we needed, but only time will tell who won the trade

I think so many years of watching our team poop the bed has made many of you pessimists!

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#5 Ales Hallsky
July 10 2013, 03:31PM
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What if you think Gagner is soft and one dimensional?

Then you probably spell it Gagne

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#6 The Soup Fascist
July 10 2013, 03:53PM
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madjam wrote:

Second line could be Gagner , Perron and Hemsky or Yakupov . I wonder who is safer here , Hemsky or Yakupov ? More to come ?

Is this a trick question?

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#7 book¡e
July 10 2013, 03:16PM
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RexLibris wrote:

I'm one inch taller in the mornings and four pounds heavier by bedtime.

Splitting hairs here I think.

EVERY DAY? Wow, you must be huge by now!

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#8 The Soup Fascist
July 10 2013, 03:30PM
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L wrote:

This is soo bad... MPS was the second hardest worker behind hall last year. He plays the body and could be a great 2 line winger. He has size and plays the body. I would think that MPS for Perron was a bad enough trade , but to throw in a 2nd rounder just makes it worse. Loved what MacT did up to this point. Adding a small forward with concussion issues does not seem like a good move. " Bold", yes. Magnus was a solid player and will definately be missed.

What is your reference material that deemed MPS the 2nd hardest worker?

"He has size and plays the body"??

When??? .... 64 hits in 163 NHL games. My Grandma throws more hits getting to the checkout line at Sobey's on senior discount Tuesdays.

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#9 ghostofberanek
July 10 2013, 03:36PM
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bwar wrote:

Offer sheet Paajarvi.

What a delightfully evil suggestion. You win the internet today!

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#10 book¡e
July 10 2013, 02:59PM
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Oh, man, what the hell am I going to do with all of these ä's I bought in bulk at Costco to use to talk about Pääjärvi over the next few years. I even bought some capital Ä's to use every time he scored.

PÄÄJÄRVI!!!!!!

Dämn...

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#11 ghostofberanek
July 10 2013, 03:03PM
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For all the griping about size, how big was this years Conn Smythe winner again? I'm not overly happy about Maggie leaving, but we're definitely a better team now. I still see room for a 3 for 1 trade on the horizon as well (Hemsky / D prospect / draft pick)

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#12 smiliegirl15
July 10 2013, 03:27PM
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I've dated more than one guy who said he was 6 feet and turned out to be about 5'10". Guys seem to measure inches with special rulers. ~

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#13 Jeff
July 10 2013, 03:29PM
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"David Perron could have a new NHL address in the coming days, and other names may emerge. Edmonton has the trade assets, the cap room and the desire to make a bold move." -- Lowetide, July 6

He may not have the best access, but is there any doubt who provides the best Oilers analysis and insight in the city? Well done LT.

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#14 Taylor Gang
July 10 2013, 04:17PM
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YEGFan wrote:

From tsn.ca:

"Consider that, last season, Paajarvi had 1.79 shots per game and 16 points in 593 minutes of ice time, which works out to 1.62 points per 60 minutes. Perron, the established scorer, with 25 points in 864 minutes, had 1.74 points per 60 minutes; not much of a difference. It's fair, then, to consider that Paajarvi could continue to develop into a role where he at least provides adequate secondary scoring."

This is bad bad bad.

If you don't shoot you don't get goals, it's as simple as that. I don't give two f**ks about the ratio in which they score compared to your shots. Perron gets more points, end of story.

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#15 Tyler
July 10 2013, 02:58PM
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Perron soft?? Do you watch hockey??? The guy was pissing off the kings all playoffs. Great pickup. Perron competes every night and is hard To play against. Magnus is softer than butter and is not nearly as intense as he has to be if he wants top6 minutes.

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#16 Truth
July 10 2013, 03:01PM
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Perron is probably closer to 5'10" or 5'11", but that is the same for all those in the NHL listed to be 6'0". It's all relative. I was a lot taller and heavier in the program when I played competitively. Doesn't matter on your height or weight it's how you use it.

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#17 Bucknuck
July 10 2013, 03:39PM
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Pajaarvi wasn't signed, and he probably thought he was worth a lot more dollars than MacT wanted to pay... so he was traded.

Today at Oilers HQ:

Mact clears his desk, get's off the phone with Perron and phones Gagner's agent. "So is he gonna sign that contract or what?"

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#18 JDP
July 10 2013, 04:07PM
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For all you boneheads who think this was a bad deal.....would you rather lose and do nothing or lose and atleast attempt to make your hockey team better?

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#19 admiralmark
July 10 2013, 04:13PM
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YEGFan wrote:

From tsn.ca:

"Consider that, last season, Paajarvi had 1.79 shots per game and 16 points in 593 minutes of ice time, which works out to 1.62 points per 60 minutes. Perron, the established scorer, with 25 points in 864 minutes, had 1.74 points per 60 minutes; not much of a difference. It's fair, then, to consider that Paajarvi could continue to develop into a role where he at least provides adequate secondary scoring."

This is bad bad bad.

So MacT doesn't do enough to better this team for next season. Then he gets knocked for pulling off a deal that instantly makes this team better and gets knocked for giving up too much?! This site is full of whiners. When you read all these posters that think this was a poor deal the comments are full of "potential" and "could be" or might turn out... "could develop about Paajarvi.. The thing is Perron "IS" already an established 2nd line player. GM's don't just give these guys away.. even ones against the cap... why? Because they have 25 other GM's interested in a 2nd line NHL'er... Will i miss Paajarvi? of course.. Great attitude, hard worker.. and yes potential.. But potential doesnt mean guaranteed... What i can guarantee is today we got the better player. Good move MacT.

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#20 Slats Dick
July 10 2013, 03:10PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Size listed is directly from HockeyDB.com. Listed the likewise at HockeyReference.com Others have five-foot-11, 196. Big issue for you or just being a dick?

I have him at 91 kgs and 1.83M

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#21 RexLibris
July 10 2013, 03:14PM
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Hayek wrote:

Perron is 5'11, 196lbs, not 6'0, 200lbs

I'm one inch taller in the mornings and four pounds heavier by bedtime.

Splitting hairs here I think.

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#22 TeeVee
July 10 2013, 03:27PM
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I was initially pissed at giving up the 2nd round pick but I'm over it now.

I've never been in love with Paajarvi the player, only the potential of him becoming a top winger. So far that hasn't happened and I'm not sure if it will.

We just got ourselves a proven NHL 2nd line LW. He may not be the David Clarkson we were looking for, but he is definitely not soft like MPS and the kid can score.

Keep moving forward.

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#23 Lochenzo
July 10 2013, 03:42PM
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@ghostofberanek

Sam Gagner had half the team's fights last year until Brown showed up.

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#24 Ducey
July 10 2013, 05:21PM
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Oiler_Kiwi wrote:

Perron is a LW Hemsky a RW so how does he take his spot?

Perron plays either wing; not that there is anything wrong with that.

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#25 toprightcorner
July 10 2013, 05:26PM
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Why are guys judging "playing big" with height and weight? That has nothing to do with it, Just ask Penner.

Wayne Simmonds, a guy we would all love cause he's big right? Wrong, 183 lbs, lighter than Eberle or Nuge.

Derrick Dorsett, big tough fighter right? Wrong, 192 lbs.

Steve Ott, he's a beast right? Wrong, 190 lbs.

Brad Marchand - 183 lbs

Zac Rinaldo - last 100 games - 20 fights, 317 pims, 318 hits. 169 frikin lbs.

Just cause they are tall and heavy doesn't mean they are tough to play against

Antropov - 245 lbs Penner - 245 lbs Hanzal - 236 lbs Milam Michalek - 227 lbs Zubrus - 225 lbs Ponikorovsky - 225 lbs

All big guys that are not tough to play against at all.

Unless guys are under 5'10" 180 lbs who cares about debating size, its whats inside that counts

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#26 bazmagoo
July 10 2013, 05:32PM
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@DSF

"They also have Dmitirij Jaskin in the pipeline and he managed to score 46G and 99P in only 5GP in the Q last season."

Impressive scoring totals - nearly 20 points per game.

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#27 toprightcorner
July 10 2013, 06:08PM
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DSF wrote:

Not a chance.

I always thought the Oilers should have drafted Perron instead of Gagner.

That they also passed on Perron to select Alex Plante and Riley Nash was incredibly stupid.

As it sits right now, STL still has 15 NHL quality forwards on their roster (if you include Ty Rattie) so Paajarvi will be very low down the totem pole.

STL is planning to move Sobotka to LW so their LW depth is:

Alex Steen

Jaden Schwartz

Vladimir Sobotka

Chris Porter

Paajarvi

They also have Dmitirij Jaskin in the pipeline and he managed to score 46G and 99P in only 51GP in the Q last season.

I wouldn't be surprised if Paajarvi ends up back in Sweden before too long unless he can win a 4LW job with the Blues.

You wanted to draft Perron instead of Gagner?? Your a complete idiot!

So you wanted to draft a guy 6th overall who didn't even get drafted the year before when he was draft eligible so was an over ager and scored 83 points in 70 games when Gagner scored 118 pts in 53 games and played at the World Juniors? But you probably think Gagner would have only scored 30 pts if he wasn't on Kane's line right??

Quit talking out of your butt all the time. your probably pissed that the Oilers passed on Datsyuk and Zetterberg in the first round in '98 and '99 when they actually went in the 6th and 7th round.

You just keep telling yourself that your smarter than everyone else until the men in white coats come give you meds for the night.

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#28 L
July 10 2013, 03:20PM
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This is soo bad... MPS was the second hardest worker behind hall last year. He plays the body and could be a great 2 line winger. He has size and plays the body. I would think that MPS for Perron was a bad enough trade , but to throw in a 2nd rounder just makes it worse. Loved what MacT did up to this point. Adding a small forward with concussion issues does not seem like a good move. " Bold", yes. Magnus was a solid player and will definately be missed.

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#29 Supernova
July 10 2013, 03:27PM
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RexLibris wrote:

I'm one inch taller in the mornings and four pounds heavier by bedtime.

Splitting hairs here I think.

this is a funny back and forth.

one of things that makes me laugh in hockey, is size talk.

sometimes a player is 6'0 and described as small, the next day someone is 6'1 and described as big.

sounds like that inch is a major difference.

I am 5'11 but when I played people would tell me off the ice, that they always thought i was like 6'2.

when your in that 5'11 to 6'1 one range it is all very relative, you can play big or play small.

it sounds like Perron plays big for his size.

Where as the knock on Paarjarvi is he plays small for his size.

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#30 StHenriOilBomb
July 10 2013, 04:03PM
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YEGFan wrote:

This would be an excusable move if it was straight Pajaarvi for Perron. Perron is essentially what Pajaarvi probably will be in 2 years. The Blues are in cap trouble and are motivated to make this move, straight across was mutually beneficial.

Using the 2nd round pick makes this an absolute heist for St. Louis. Setoguchi and Pajaarvi for Perron doesn't look too good does it? That 2nd round pick is very valuable at trade deadline and before the draft. Real middle six NHLers get moved for 2nd round picks. This is an abysmal waste of resources.

Pajaarvi was a top 10 pick that wasn't anything close to a bust. He will be a quality NHLer and selling him as a spare part is a mistake that will haunt the Oilers.

Expecting that every prospect is going to become a blue chip player is a mistake that is hurting the Oilers now.

Even if what you say is correct - that Paajarvi will be Perron in 2 years, then the Oilers just paid a 2nd round pick for the ability to reduce their risk, speed up the development timeline, and diversify the ages and experiences of the team.

Completely worth it.

I like MPS. I hope he does well.

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#31 Westcoastoil
July 10 2013, 04:09PM
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I'm confused - how could MacT make this deal after he told everyone he wanted to add to his top 6 mix? I thought that was impossible ~ he must know voodoo!

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#32 Craig1981
July 10 2013, 04:24PM
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@admiralmark

Agree, I hate all the people that look only at stats. Hockey isn't Moneyball. MacT said I wanted to remove players that were at best non-factors and replace them with those who were. If you look past stats that's exactly what he did today.

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#33 Mike Modano's Dog
July 10 2013, 02:57PM
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Wow...what a waste of trade bullets.

How many other picks are available and young roster players to acquire a big power forward who can keep our young guys safe on our top lines?

Add David Perron to the list of players who will need to be protected now - one with concussion issues at that. On the plus side, however, MacT just told us he feels David Perron has a great skill level. ~Just what we needed (again).~

I only hope the Oilers managed to clone MPS and that 2nd round pick so maybe we can get that top pairing d-man (along with other assets from us) and that power forward we so badly needed.

Oh well - we still have Taylor Hall, Ebs, Yak and Schultz the younger to trade away to get those needs addressed.

No problem...

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#34 Walter Sobchak
July 10 2013, 03:00PM
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striatic wrote:

the Oilers are a better team than they were this morning.

Perron puts up second line points and has excellent possession stats.

he's got three years left on decent 3.8m cap hit contract.

STL may have won this trade in the long term, maybe, but for next season Edmonton will be a better team.

I think by year three playing with Yakupov and Gagner, Perron might just be worth even more on the open market.

This is a sound win.

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#35 HugThePost
July 10 2013, 03:19PM
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Perron does seem to have an edge to him, something I can't see PRV ever having, even on his surliest of days.

Are all of the people posting here about Perron's height the same people braying for MacT to trade for Marchand?

After watching the endless line of useless coke machines the Oilers have tried over the years, I will take grit in any size, shape or color.

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#36 John Chambers
July 10 2013, 03:21PM
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Top-6 winger - check.

Will likely deliver better results at a much better price point than Clarkson. Now to sign Penner for 3rd line LW and say Antropov for 4th line C.

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#37 Gaz
July 10 2013, 03:22PM
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Who wants to bet DSF now spends the next two years telling us all how the Oilers gave up on Pajaarvi too quickly and he's a bargain for the Blues?

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#38 L
July 10 2013, 03:24PM
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Bad move. Lines were good just needed to get maxim lapierre for 3rd line C, and Bryan Boyle for 4th line centre. Hate this move as Paajarvi was stuck on the 3rd line all season and managed to still generate chances.

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#39 Slats
July 10 2013, 03:31PM
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I like that while MAC T respects are personnel but he does not fall in love with our personnel so that he suffers from decision/deal paralysis and then has the guts to make a trade.

We have missed the playoffs for way too long. We have the opportunity to make the changes to get better and be different under a new coach.

PRV is a good young talent - he may have been much different under Eakins - maybe. He is however still a big "?". Perron is more certain and he should be an impact player now. PRV may be great or he may stay what he always has been for the Oilers "a player with great potential"

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#40 YEGFan
July 10 2013, 04:04PM
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From tsn.ca:

"Consider that, last season, Paajarvi had 1.79 shots per game and 16 points in 593 minutes of ice time, which works out to 1.62 points per 60 minutes. Perron, the established scorer, with 25 points in 864 minutes, had 1.74 points per 60 minutes; not much of a difference. It's fair, then, to consider that Paajarvi could continue to develop into a role where he at least provides adequate secondary scoring."

This is bad bad bad.

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#41 westcoastoil
July 10 2013, 02:50PM
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I don't like this one on it's own. Let's hope it's part 1 of something more. I'd rather have kept MPS and sent next year's 1st along with a prospect

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#42 D
July 10 2013, 03:15PM
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The Oilers have done well in previous trades with the Blues. Hope this one works out. I like Paajarvi though . . .

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#43 Lochenzo
July 10 2013, 03:18PM
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Attitude. Perron will wade into the gritty areas of the ice. You have to remind Paajarvi to do that. Paajarvi can be effective if he does that consistently, but he's not there yet, but I'm confident that he will one day. But Paajarvi will never match Perron's stick skills.

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#44 Tyler
July 10 2013, 03:18PM
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Love that we got Perron. Hate hate HATE that it cost us PRV. Is this an upgrade? Not by much. I'd bet money that PRV or Perron put up the same amount of points playing on a line with Gagner and Yak. Plus, PRV is a winger, who is young, is going to be on a value contract (see way less that 3.8million) and I also feel like HE JUST figured out how to score and be effective in this league. This makes no sense to me. Keep PRV for 3L, move the 2014 2nd, and throw in 2014 1st, or a D prospect not named Klefbom, Nurse, Maricine. If cost Maricine, fine, but not PRV. Bad trade in my books. I think we'll regret this one down the line.

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#45 YEGFan
July 10 2013, 03:59PM
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This would be an excusable move if it was straight Pajaarvi for Perron. Perron is essentially what Pajaarvi probably will be in 2 years. The Blues are in cap trouble and are motivated to make this move, straight across was mutually beneficial.

Using the 2nd round pick makes this an absolute heist for St. Louis. Setoguchi and Pajaarvi for Perron doesn't look too good does it? That 2nd round pick is very valuable at trade deadline and before the draft. Real middle six NHLers get moved for 2nd round picks. This is an abysmal waste of resources.

Pajaarvi was a top 10 pick that wasn't anything close to a bust. He will be a quality NHLer and selling him as a spare part is a mistake that will haunt the Oilers.

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#46 2004Z06
July 10 2013, 04:18PM
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Tyler wrote:

Love that we got Perron. Hate hate HATE that it cost us PRV. Is this an upgrade? Not by much. I'd bet money that PRV or Perron put up the same amount of points playing on a line with Gagner and Yak. Plus, PRV is a winger, who is young, is going to be on a value contract (see way less that 3.8million) and I also feel like HE JUST figured out how to score and be effective in this league. This makes no sense to me. Keep PRV for 3L, move the 2014 2nd, and throw in 2014 1st, or a D prospect not named Klefbom, Nurse, Maricine. If cost Maricine, fine, but not PRV. Bad trade in my books. I think we'll regret this one down the line.

How much further down the line do you want to wait for this team to be competetive? We need to get some bonafide NHL'ers to win NOW! We cannot keep this perpetual draft and develop train going! Aty some point you have to leverage the future for the present. I like MPS alot, but you need to give up something of value to get something and this trade benefits both teams.

Only way this goes bad is if Peron has more injury issues.

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#47 Ryan2
July 10 2013, 04:27PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

How much further down the line do you want to wait for this team to be competetive? We need to get some bonafide NHL'ers to win NOW! We cannot keep this perpetual draft and develop train going! Aty some point you have to leverage the future for the present. I like MPS alot, but you need to give up something of value to get something and this trade benefits both teams.

Only way this goes bad is if Peron has more injury issues.

You mean when Perron gets injured, not if. He is not built solidly enough to play the way he does without eventually wearing down. Check out this article from a St. Louis source re: inury risk: http://www.kmov.com/sports/hockey/Bles-trade-David-Perron-to-Oilers-214967511.html

What I don't like about this deal is this - the Blues were desperate to create cap space to keep Steward and Pietrangelo, and MacT gave them that AND still managed to be the one to overpay. Call it bold if you like, but this move does not get them any closer to a playoff team than keeping MPS would have. The blue line is still an issue, and the bottom six forwards are a mess.

If he was a centerman then I could understand it as addressing a need, but right now the Oilers are still weak down the middle even when RNH comes back. Not a smart use of assets at all.

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#48 druds
July 10 2013, 04:44PM
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YEGFan wrote:

From tsn.ca:

"Consider that, last season, Paajarvi had 1.79 shots per game and 16 points in 593 minutes of ice time, which works out to 1.62 points per 60 minutes. Perron, the established scorer, with 25 points in 864 minutes, had 1.74 points per 60 minutes; not much of a difference. It's fair, then, to consider that Paajarvi could continue to develop into a role where he at least provides adequate secondary scoring."

This is bad bad bad.

The article you quote from states that the deal was good for both teams, you picked out the one small paragraph that seems to suggest the writer thought the deal was bad, you sir are an ass and you need to be wiped and flushed

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#49 YEGFan
July 10 2013, 04:52PM
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Jon wrote:

I think he's saying they treated Paajarvi like a spare part, not that Perron is one.

And Setoguchi makes 3M, less than Perron, so that's not why.

Simply, Winnipeg took advantage of a team against the cap and got a player for cheap. We didn't gamble on someone beating us on an offer for Perron and paid top dollar for him.

Perhaps, if we waited we could have fleeced St. Louis for Perron like Winnipeg did for Setoguchi, or maybe some other team outbids us for him like NYI did on Clutterbuck and we don't get our guy at all.

So I'm fine with the value of the move because there's no guarantee we could have got Perron for less although it is a possibility.

This is fair.

I disagree because I believe this team's most desperate need and biggest weakness is on defence. If we gamble away our assets on slight improvements to our forwards it cripples our ability to improve the back end. It was a bad, big, gamble.

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#50 Oilcan
July 10 2013, 05:06PM
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I like how people think they are expert negotiators for trades in the NHL "we could have done it straight up and then we gave away our 2nd". I would think that a team could offer something better then just Paajarvi for Perron. Lets not over value guys here, everyone hopes that Paajarvi becomes a complementary 2nd liner and if he is a good 3rd liner everyone is happy, Perron IS a 2nd liner and is only 3 years older, I will gladly throw in a 2nd rounder in TWO years for a player that is already better and only 25.

Well done Mac T.

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