PERRON FOR PAAJARVI

Robin Brownlee
July 10 2013 02:46PM

Whether you deem it the bold move GM Craig MacTavish talked about, the Edmonton Oilers today made their most substantial move of this off-season, acquiring left winger David Perron from the St. Louis Blues for Magnus Paajarvi and a draft pick.

The Oilers get Perron, 25, who has 198 points in 340 NHL games with the Blues, including 10-15-25 in 48 games this season. In exchange, St. Louis gets Paajarvi, who was selected 10th overall by the Oilers in 2009, and a second-round draft pick.

Perron, six feet and 200 pounds, has three years remaining on a contract that pays him $3.5 million next season and carries a cap hit of $3,812.500 for the balance of the term.

More to come.

FROM THE OILERS

News release: "General Manager Craig MacTavish announced today the Edmonton Oilers have acquired left wing David Perron from the St. Louis Blues in exchange for left wing Magnus Paajarvi and a 2nd round selection in the 2014 NHL Entry Draft.

"Perron, 25, has spent the past six seasons with the St. Louis Blues organization, registering 198 points (84G, 114A) and 232 penalty minutes in 340 games with the Blues.

"In 2012-13, the 6'0", 205-pound, forward recorded 25 points (10G, 15A) and 44 penalty minutes in 48 games with St. Louis. He added two assists in six playoff games.

"The native of Sherbrooke, Quebec played junior hockey in the QMJHL with the Lewiston MAINEiacs for one season, registering 83 points (39G, 44A) in 70 games leading all rookies in the league that season in goals.

"Perron was originally selected by St. Louis in the 1st round, 26th overall in the 2007 NHL Entry Draft."

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#51 YEGFan
July 10 2013, 05:09PM
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@Taylor Gang

If we're waiting a few seasons before we can truly be competitive it makes no sense to send away Pajaarvi and a 2nd for Perron.

Quite frankly, Pajaarvi has as good of a chance of becoming a legit second line forward as any of those guys has of becoming a top four defenseman. Probably much better than Marincin by everything I've heard.

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#52 tsnTurningpoint
July 10 2013, 05:47PM
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YEGFan wrote:

This would be fair if Setoguchi hadn't just been traded for a 2nd.

I wouldn't have bothered bitching if it had been a 5th or 4th to sweeten the deal. Even a 3rd would have kept me from posting, but a 2nd? Real, good, NHL players get traded regularly for 2nd round picks straight up every season.

Yeah but Mac t doesn't make much sense. On draft day he trades away 2nd round pick for late draft picks. So nothing he has done makes sense. Instead of keeping that 2nd pick in a draft where we coulda got an NHL player we trade for depth ad get minor league guys that will never see ice time in an nhl team. So obviously he doesn't care about 2nd round picks. Those 4th and 5th are what matters........makes no sense

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#53 Dog Train
July 10 2013, 05:56PM
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Mactavish is making up for some of the past regimes' mistakes. Trading for a player that we passed over twice (being realistic, he would have been a reach at 6 given what was known at the time). Trading a former 10th overall pick and a 2nd rounder for a former 26th overall pick.

Perron is a legitimate 2nd line player and plays a power forward style. Paajarvi has many solid qualities but offence doesn't come natural to him. This move really gives us an exceptional, albeit young and inexperienced, top 6. This move also leaves us extremely thin on offence in the bottom 6 (especially assuming that we move Hemmer). That speaks to the lack of depth that Mactavish inherited. I doubt that Mactavish is done.

I always liked Paajarvi. He accepted his role and worked hard. Best of luck to him in St. Louis.

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#54 Bucknuck
July 10 2013, 07:36PM
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Public service announcement: madjam and DSF are the same people... and even if they are not, you can pretend they are.

WHY on Earth would anyone argue that they should have taken Perron instead of Gagner, when they could have had Perron much later with the Plante pick or the Nash pick.

Indeed you could have had Gagner AND Perron (AND Subban if you were clarvoyant). Hindsight is twenty twenty.

2007 draft should have been:

1: Kane

2: Subban

3: Couture

4: Gagner

5: Perron

If the teams could go back in time and choose again, that is.

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#55 reaperfunkss (2nd tier fan)
July 10 2013, 02:47PM
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Is he the type of player we need in the top six? Thought they were looking to get bigger.

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#56 Hayek
July 10 2013, 02:50PM
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Perron is 5'11, 196lbs, not 6'0, 200lbs

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#57 freeze
July 10 2013, 02:54PM
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This could be a great move. Perron's concussion history is a huge red flag though.

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#58 striatic
July 10 2013, 02:55PM
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the Oilers are a better team than they were this morning.

Perron puts up second line points and has excellent possession stats.

he's got three years left on decent 3.8m cap hit contract.

STL may have won this trade in the long term, maybe, but for next season Edmonton will be a better team.

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#59 striatic
July 10 2013, 02:56PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Size listed is directly from HockeyDB.com. Listed the likewise at HockeyReference.com Others have five-foot-11, 196. Big issue for you or just being a dick?

Blues website has him listed as smaller.

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#60 Hayek
July 10 2013, 02:56PM
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Actually Oilers press release has him at 6'0 205lbs, nhl.com has him at 5'11 196lbs, yahoo sports has him at 6'0 180lbs.

I wonder where the truth actually is. If Oilers acquire a forward with someone with a height not including 6.xx feet, the uneducated fanbase would be up in arms.

Since MacT says he wants to increase size of team, probably no surprise the press release is probably biased to overstate Perron's size.

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#61 madjam
July 10 2013, 02:57PM
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Finally we got him , after passing on him with Nash and Plante . What a talent ! Put on one of the best performances by any player in a Memorial Cup I've seen . This kid can really excite and dazzle . Pleasant surprise . You like Gagner , then you'll love this kid . Book it -signed ,sealed and delivered . Things just took a turn for the better .

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#62 Spydyr
July 10 2013, 03:18PM
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madjam wrote:

Finally we got him , after passing on him with Nash and Plante . What a talent ! Put on one of the best performances by any player in a Memorial Cup I've seen . This kid can really excite and dazzle . Pleasant surprise . You like Gagner , then you'll love this kid . Book it -signed ,sealed and delivered . Things just took a turn for the better .

What if you think Gagner is soft and one dimensional?

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#63 Ducey
July 10 2013, 03:20PM
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Perron > MPS

MPS was destined to be a very good 3rd line player who plays good defence and can chip in a few points.

Perron is a going to take Hemsky's spot. The top 2 lines are now filled out.

Yak - Gagner - Perron should be pretty good.

Part two of this trade is for Hemsky to be traded for someone to play in the bottom six.

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#64 Putzstew
July 10 2013, 03:27PM
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striatic wrote:

the Oilers are a better team than they were this morning.

Perron puts up second line points and has excellent possession stats.

he's got three years left on decent 3.8m cap hit contract.

STL may have won this trade in the long term, maybe, but for next season Edmonton will be a better team.

Provided he wants to be there.

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#65 Lochenzo
July 10 2013, 03:28PM
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madjam wrote:

2 down - Just 4 more on wish list to go : Cliché and Clifford from L.A. , Henrique from Jersey and J.Scott from Buffalo . Might have to rename Craig , Big Mac..

You had me until John Scott. If hockey were played east to west, he'd be perfect because he needs 200 ft of ice to turn.

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#66 ghostofberanek
July 10 2013, 03:29PM
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Spydyr wrote:

What if you think Gagner is soft and one dimensional?

If you think Gagner is soft and one dimensional, you simply don't watch him play enough. Undersized yes, but he's also a player who'll drop the gloves and kill penalties.

Why do Oiler fans always have to have a player to hate on?

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#67 Shredder
July 10 2013, 03:37PM
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Not sure if this is BOLD? Just look above at the debate going on. Let's face it...both players are good players. I like them both. Perron is definitely the better player today, and can put up more points on a more defensively focused team. Further, Perron has the defensive side of the game down because he's played on a very defensively focused team. PRV is a great prospect who can play in the NHL, but everything is dependant on him learning more...PRV may be able to play defensively but only because he cheats on defense and gives up offense. A great prospect who will learn how to balance that down the road, but Perron is much more skilled...watch his point totals go up big time.

The one scary point is the concussion history, but if Crosby and Hall can get past that then I'm not going to be too worried. Perron is gritter, has better hands and is more proven, but the future is more wide open for PRV. Good trade MacT. Now for the next deal...Hemsky for......

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#68 Lochenzo
July 10 2013, 03:40PM
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bwar wrote:

Offer sheet Paajarvi.

Ha, ha, that would be both BOLD and BEAUTIFUL!!

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#69 Bucknuck
July 10 2013, 03:41PM
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Ales Hallsky wrote:

Then you probably spell it Gagne

props man... mad props.

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#70 Motomoto
July 10 2013, 03:41PM
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I think this is a really solid move by Mact. He get's a guy who competes like hell and can score. We know what we get with this guy if his health holds up. Seems to be over concussion issues. What do we get with MPS? A guy that skates like hell and doesn't accomplish much. I'm not saying he won't be a decent player down the road but I'm sick of losing. I want to win and I'm glad Mact is too. As far as the second pick, you have to give to get and we got the best player.

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#71 Gordie Wayne
July 10 2013, 04:02PM
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I like Gagner but why not trade one RFA for another:

Gagner+ D prospect(Musil?) for Bogosian.

Winnipeg is weak at center, Edmonton is weak at D, and vice-versa. A possible win-win deal?

This solves the top pairing d-man issue and improves D depth.

Now for the hole at 2 line Center - sign Grabovski to 4 year 3.5-4.0 mil per (he essentially replaces Gagner as a similar type player albeit at a cheaper rate).

Thoughts?

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#72 Supernova
July 10 2013, 04:13PM
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YEGFan wrote:

This would be an excusable move if it was straight Pajaarvi for Perron. Perron is essentially what Pajaarvi probably will be in 2 years. The Blues are in cap trouble and are motivated to make this move, straight across was mutually beneficial.

Using the 2nd round pick makes this an absolute heist for St. Louis. Setoguchi and Pajaarvi for Perron doesn't look too good does it? That 2nd round pick is very valuable at trade deadline and before the draft. Real middle six NHLers get moved for 2nd round picks. This is an abysmal waste of resources.

Pajaarvi was a top 10 pick that wasn't anything close to a bust. He will be a quality NHLer and selling him as a spare part is a mistake that will haunt the Oilers.

well I understand your argument for asset management. Different teams do things differently and you are cherry picking trades (are you DSF).

Minny in a cap crunch is forced to buyout Gilbert because Heaatley is injured and cant be bought out. They trade Clutterbuck because he will be too pricy to sign. They did very well in this trade in getting Neideritter, but they gave up a 3rd rounder. then in order to create more space because they signed Matt Cooke ( which is strange as he is older and isn't a upgrade, and signed for the essentially the same money as clutterbuck) So in need of cap space they ship Setoguchi for a pick, Setoguchi will be a UFA next year and ask for more $$.

St.louis in need of cap space need a lower price player and or prospects.

Even if we had gotten Setoguchi from Minnesota for a 2nd. We can almost guarentee that St. Louis would not have wanted Magnus and Setoguchi. Because of cap space.

2nd round picks are valuable i agree but they have their pick value at different times. Look at our last 5 years of 2nd round picks and tell me who has even come close to succeeding.

We need to get better now, not maybe later. Besides will all of our Defenceman, we can likely move one of them (nick Schultz) for a 2nd rounder when it comes down to it.

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#73 Ducey
July 10 2013, 04:25PM
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bwar wrote:

Offer sheet Paajarvi.

Just gave away our second round pick. The Oilers can only offer up to $1.6 million (probably not enough) or over $3.3 million (definitely too much).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offer_sheet

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#74 EHH Team
July 10 2013, 04:36PM
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I was looking forward to see IF PRV would develop further this year. I thought he came on quite well in the last month of the season.

Having said that, I think Perron the trade is fair, although the top six has gotten smaller, not bigger.

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#75 Tyler
July 10 2013, 04:38PM
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If any of you think this is a bad trade, you probably don't know much about hockey. Magnus was a non-factor on one of the worst teams in the NHL. He will have a long career as a 3rd liner because he can skate fast and kill penaltys. He will NEVER be a top6 guy. Look at his numbers outside the NHL. He has NEVER been a point guy. He doesn't have the hands or shot, it's that simple.

Perron has established himself. He could play top6 minutes on virtually any team in the league when he's healthy. Magnus had a hard time cracking the oilers line-up. Would Magnus even be in the NHL if he was part of Pittsburg or Chicagos organization?? Probably not and even if he was it would be 4th line. Perron on the other hand would probably be in there top6, 3rd line at the very least. If Perron stays healthy this is a great trade.

I understand a lot of you have a soft spot for Magnus because he was part of the initial rebuild but face the facts... He's a 3rd liner who kills penaltys on his best days...

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#76 EHH Team
July 10 2013, 04:39PM
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Ales Hallsky wrote:

TWITTER GinoRedaTSN: 21 players have filed for arbitration including, Edm- Gagne, Habs-White, Sen's- Condra, Leafs- Fraser/Gunnarson, Van- Weise

Looks like Gino thinks Gagner is one-dimensional too haha

So Gino is one of those who thinks Simon Gagne plays for the Oil.

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#77 shea78
July 10 2013, 04:41PM
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Slats Dick wrote:

I have him at 91 kgs and 1.83M

hahahaha.

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#78 YEGFan
July 10 2013, 04:44PM
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@Supernova

It is a cherry picked trade, but it is also a recent trade and a precise assessment of the current value for 2nd round picks.

If you compare Setoguchi's numbers with Perron's you will see they are very similar, including last season, where Setoguchi out scored Perron. Not only that, but Perron is more expensive. A longer term contract is a double edged sword, I can understand why someone would argue it's a benefit for having Perron, but a history of concussions makes the opposite argument pretty reasonable.

It is fair and reasonable to argue that Perron for a 2nd round pick is what Armstrong had to stomach in order to keep Pietrangelo and Stewart. The Oilers paid double the fair price for what is probably (but not certainly) an improvement this year. Clarkson at 6M for 6 years would have made this team better this season, but over paying is stupid no matter how you look at it.

Perron is an improvement over Pajaarvi, but hardly a safe or massive one over the term of his contract. I cannot see how anyone justifies the price it cost.

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#79 michael
July 10 2013, 04:46PM
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Lets all hold our pee until we see what Perron brings to the table. MP is a prospect. He may or may not perform to the level he was drafted at but MacT's move today showed me he is making good on the promise to make this team competitive. Giving Dallas Eakins another legitimate NHLer to plug into his top 9 will go a long way to improving this team sooner than later. I'll reserve judgement on Perron and we'll see by the end of next year what we bargained for. Till then MacT has to still ensure Hemsky is not here in September.If that happens we'll still be ahead and for me that is what now player 10 gone from last years roster?

Whitney,MP,NK,Peckham,Belanger,Horcoff,Smithson,Fistric,??.

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#80 YEGFan
July 10 2013, 05:14PM
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@Oilcan

This would be fair if Setoguchi hadn't just been traded for a 2nd.

I wouldn't have bothered bitching if it had been a 5th or 4th to sweeten the deal. Even a 3rd would have kept me from posting, but a 2nd? Real, good, NHL players get traded regularly for 2nd round picks straight up every season.

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#81 DSF
July 10 2013, 05:25PM
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Gaz wrote:

Who wants to bet DSF now spends the next two years telling us all how the Oilers gave up on Pajaarvi too quickly and he's a bargain for the Blues?

Not a chance.

I always thought the Oilers should have drafted Perron instead of Gagner.

That they also passed on Perron to select Alex Plante and Riley Nash was incredibly stupid.

As it sits right now, STL still has 15 NHL quality forwards on their roster (if you include Ty Rattie) so Paajarvi will be very low down the totem pole.

STL is planning to move Sobotka to LW so their LW depth is:

Alex Steen

Jaden Schwartz

Vladimir Sobotka

Chris Porter

Paajarvi

They also have Dmitirij Jaskin in the pipeline and he managed to score 46G and 99P in only 51GP in the Q last season.

I wouldn't be surprised if Paajarvi ends up back in Sweden before too long unless he can win a 4LW job with the Blues.

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#82 Racki
July 10 2013, 05:28PM
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Didn't take me long to warm up to this deal, but I'm an eternal optimist with this team, I suppose.

But I think I will miss Paajarvi the person a lot more than I'll miss Paajarvi the player. This is a serious upgrade, at least as far as "right now". Paajarvi has potential, but who knows if he'll reach it and how long that will take. It sucks losing character players though. I think most fans really took a liking to him.

David Perron will be a great player for this team though, and provides much more of what we need than Paajarvi has, even in year 1. I think much of this has to do with Paajarvi being passed by everyone in our top six currently. I think on a new team he could find that game we all think he has in him though. I hope he does well in STL, but I believe we'll have no regrets. Perron makes the team better and we can't keep hanging on potential, or guys who have great personality.

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#83 bazmagoo
July 10 2013, 05:29PM
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@toprightcorner

Excellent analysis, great post. It's not the size of your unit it's how you use it!

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#84 YFC Prez
July 10 2013, 05:30PM
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This^

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#85 Craig1981
July 10 2013, 05:43PM
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YEGFan wrote:

This would be fair if Setoguchi hadn't just been traded for a 2nd.

I wouldn't have bothered bitching if it had been a 5th or 4th to sweeten the deal. Even a 3rd would have kept me from posting, but a 2nd? Real, good, NHL players get traded regularly for 2nd round picks straight up every season.

OK Oiler's first 2nd round pick the last 10 years Roman Tesliuk, Taylor Chorney, Jeff Petry, Anton Lander, Tyler Pitlick, David Musil, Mitch Moroz, Marc-Olivier Roy.

If you take the average player in there you aren't giving up much. I have only one that you would actually miss (at this point)

Can you give an example of a really good player that got traded for a 2nd that wasn't just a rental?

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#86 Time Travelling Sean
July 10 2013, 05:47PM
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DSF wrote:

Not a chance.

I always thought the Oilers should have drafted Perron instead of Gagner.

That they also passed on Perron to select Alex Plante and Riley Nash was incredibly stupid.

As it sits right now, STL still has 15 NHL quality forwards on their roster (if you include Ty Rattie) so Paajarvi will be very low down the totem pole.

STL is planning to move Sobotka to LW so their LW depth is:

Alex Steen

Jaden Schwartz

Vladimir Sobotka

Chris Porter

Paajarvi

They also have Dmitirij Jaskin in the pipeline and he managed to score 46G and 99P in only 51GP in the Q last season.

I wouldn't be surprised if Paajarvi ends up back in Sweden before too long unless he can win a 4LW job with the Blues.

Scwartz had 13 points last year, Sobotka is a 3rd/4th liner, even if he puts up good points, which he doesn't, Porter couldn't even crack a PPG in college, and you have all 3 ahead of a player who, if you made a case, could be seen as better than all three.

Who doesn't score in the Q? Esp 20 year olds. He wouldn't end up in Sweden either, maybe the AHL, and why would the Blues give up Perron just to let Paajarvi go back to Sweden?

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#87 toprightcorner
July 10 2013, 05:51PM
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Rocket wrote:

Grabo has a lot that The Oilers need. I don't know why MacT isn't jumping all over that but maybe he tried. Maybe Grabovski doesn't want to go to Edmonton?

So the Oilers need a guy who is 20 lbs lighter, plays less minutes, can't kill penalties, plays soft, and not know as a good guy in the room. In the last 6 seasons, Sam has 50 more pts in only 20 more games.

Only advantage is a 7% improvements FO draws over past 2 years.

Grabovski is NOT the type of centre the Oilers need if they trade Gagner as it would be a step backwards

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#88 madjam
July 10 2013, 06:54PM
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Rocket wrote:

Paajarvi's sh% is better but Perron's corsi rel is better. Not a bad trade but giving up that 2nd round pick makes me a little nervous. Hopefully Perron's compete level is high & he develops chemistry with his new team mates.

If you seen the play/show he put on in Memorial cup a few seasons ago - his compete level was off the charts . He carried the team ,being as Cliché was injured first game . Intensity plus , you shouldn't need to fret about his compete level as it is very high . If Vegas and Sportsbook odds are a good judge ,then we are expected to finish between 11-18th position . If we finish there then 2nd rounder may not hurt us . There is still time in trades, etc. to obtain a second rounder back , that might even be better with any luck . Perron's stick handling ability and drive to the net is going to surprise a lot of Oiler fans . He's not a periphery player .

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#89 Walter Sobchak
July 10 2013, 06:54PM
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Rocket wrote:

Interesting. You may be correct. I'm just going off the numbers I saw on behindthenet.ca

I'm not super awesome on advanced stats (although I'm learning & find them fascinating), so feel free to correct me if I mess the numbers up.

Oh, no worries my good friend, I'm far from a stats guy!

Just learning myself, the only reason I know this is because DSF has pointed Paajarvi SH% so much I know it by heart...lol

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#90 Oiler Al
July 10 2013, 07:09PM
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Would Paajarvi and a 2nd. got you Bobby Ryan?

Just asking.

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#91 Harlie
July 10 2013, 07:23PM
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I like it.

I remember when I searched the net high and low to find an Omark euro hockey card and was so happy to have it.

I didn't even bother searching for an MPS card. Bullet. Dodged.

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#92 God
July 10 2013, 08:21PM
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Great pickup. Perron puts up playoff points, is a great possession player and goes to the tough areas. MPS is not that type of player. He's a 3rd liner on a competitive team.

The team got better today. Solid trade. Props to MacT.

To all those pessimists out there, read a book, go back to school, smoke some rock, do something! If you don't like this trade, please watch a different sport. (though I respect your ignorant opinion, I merely mock it!)

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#93 toprightcorner
July 10 2013, 08:57PM
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madjam wrote:

You could be whistling a different tune when you see them together . I had him rated right there with Gagner as well and was undetermined whom I would choose at 6th - either one was a good choice . To see Oilers not pick him up with our other two first round selections was disheartening . DSF has a good eye if not superior eye for talent , and certainly is no idiot - which happens to be a personal attack I believe in the manner you put it . You trying to be a cyber bully with that statement ?

Sorry DFS's mom, it was not a personal attack, I should have said idiotic thought. All I know is I find it very unlikely that one would even remember such a thing from a draft 6 years ago. Its not like Perron is that memorable that that would stick in your mind. Not like Parise and Pouliot.

I simply call B.S. as it is too easy to say you would have done it differently when you can look at history prior to making that statement. You both are famous for using historical data to say you would have done something different.

Maybe you should kick your boy DSF out of your basement now that he is in his late 30's to get a job and since your reputation precedes you say that DSF has a superior eye for talent then your son should be quite capable of becoming an amateur scout for an NHL club. I am sure there is a team out there that needs someone to tell them how he would have made a different pick 5 years ago after endless hours of researching historical stats.

It's getting late, you should probably give DSF his weekly bath!!

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#94 Clyde Frog
July 12 2013, 08:06AM
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madjam wrote:

Settle down John . I , like a lot of bloggers , occasional like to "yank the chain" to promote hockey talk at times . Not frequently , but occasionally . I was quite surprised Frog went that far back to support something he felt that strong about . I doubt there are too many out there that haven't tried to" yank the chains" on occasions .

I actually just googled Madjam 2011 and that was the first page of predictions that came up...

When people take such a hard line stance and declare things to the degree you do, it is good to peak back at predictions previously made.

Did all you work actually come close to the truth? No one kid led rookies in scoring by a huge margin and surprised everyone with his game away from the puck... and the other has yet to crack the top six....

To make a statement like "I like to yank the chain" means now and forever more everyone can ignore you as the troll you are.

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#95 Shaner
July 10 2013, 02:47PM
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Yikes, isn't Perron really soft? He always reminded me of hemsky

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#96 S4H1
July 10 2013, 02:53PM
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He had 44 PIM in 48 GP last year. Not that I ever saw him play, but that seems alright. He is also 12 lbs heavier than Hemsky.

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#97 gravis82
July 10 2013, 02:58PM
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love it.

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#98 Will
July 10 2013, 02:58PM
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I don't really know much about his game. Brownlee, do you think this is an upgrade over Paajarvi at second line LW? I know Magnus has the size but he never really plays with an edge. Sure he can use it to drive to the net but I always felt like he was a softer player. Is Perron a bit more gritty?

Too bad we never got Clutterbuck for the third line as now there appears to be a hole there.

Maybe get Morrow, bring back Penner, trade Gags for even more D help and finally trade Hemsky for whatever other holes need filling/ draft picks.

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#99 S4H1
July 10 2013, 03:06PM
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book¡e wrote:

Oh, man, what the hell am I going to do with all of these ä's I bought in bulk at Costco to use to talk about Pääjärvi over the next few years. I even bought some capital Ä's to use every time he scored.

PÄÄJÄRVI!!!!!!

Dämn...

Ä for effort?

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#100 Supernova
July 10 2013, 03:11PM
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this move makes us better, but we need something else to drop.

Gagner trade block might have just grown.

there really isn't a spot for Gagner now, if we want more size top 6.

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