PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE

Lowetide
July 11 2013 07:42PM

The Edmonton Oilers have added some impressive names to their roster so far this summer, and still have cap room, assets to trade and holes to fill. All they need is opportunities, and they may still be out there.

BIG OPPORTUNITY

The Oilers this evening have $7.6M in cap room and have to sign Sam Gagner (and Taylor Fedun if there's money left over). They are also likely to trade Ales Hemsky and his $5M cap hit (although they could also make a deal while retaining as much as $2.5M in 83 cap) although that's not a slam dunk. It's probably reasonable to estimate the Oilers cap number (after Gagner's signing and the Hemsky deal) to be in the $5M range.

FLYERS STILL HAVE PROBLEMS

You'll recall the Oilers spent much of draft day attempting to pry Braydon Coburn from the Philadelphia Flyers. Many days later, the Flyers are still trying to find a way out of cap hell and the Coburn option remains according to Frank Seravalli from the Philadelphia Daily News.

  • Seravalli: "St. Louis didn't want to move 25-year-old forward David Perron ($3.8 million) yesterday, but dealt him to Edmonton for Magnus Paajarvi to free up much-needed space. Many believe the Blues could have gotten more for Perron if teams didn't already know St. Louis general manager Doug Armstrong was being forced to make a move to try and re-sign restricted free agent blue liner Alex Pietrangelo. (Flyers GM Paul) Holmgren could be in the same situation with Coburn. Don't be surprised if a trade pops out of the blue."

Would the Oilers have interest? One would think so based the number of conversations Holmgren and Oilers GM Craig MacTavish had during the draft. A Perron-Paajarvi style trade for Coburn (cap hit $4.5M times three years) might mean Edmonton offers a less expensive player to the Flyers in return.

NEW JERSEY HAS NEW PROBLEMS

The news today that Ilya Kovalchuk has retired to the KHL (for more money!!!) means Lou and the Devils are on the lookout for replacement talent. Again the $2.5M Hemsky (Oilers would take on half of the cap) might have real value, and perhaps Edmonton could receive some useful talent (Olesz, Loktionov) and  draft picks for future use.

ARBITRATION LIST

Adding to the fun is the new arbitration list, which includes four Los Angeles Kings (who have just over $5M in cap space). Jake Muzzin, anyone?

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Oilers spent much of draft weekend trying to find a trade partner. We know they pursued Braydon Coburn and we know the St. Louis Blues made David Perron available leading into the draft. On the other side of free agency, it looks as though some of those same teams are now calling the Oilers. Patience is a virtue.

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#1 bwar
July 11 2013, 08:48PM
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horndog77 wrote:

Hemsky with Elias and Jagr in New Jersey. That would be quite the line.

Yeah five years ago.

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#2 Bonvie
July 11 2013, 08:19PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

As mentioned, Los Angeles is in a pickle. I know Gregor suggested that Clifford should be a target but would Jordan Nolan not be another guy to go after, LT?

I realize he has not put up a ton of points but he is a huge punishing player to play against. And he is only 24.

$5 million to sign Lewis, Nolan, Muzzin, Martinez and Clifford? Not happening. Even if they can do something clever with Willie Mitchell (and his 35+ contract), they are still in a world of hurt.

One of Clifford or Nolan should be available and they would fit nicely on the Oilers team.

I don't understand why people are talking about trading Hemsky and retaining salary it just doesn't make sense, we only have one year of that contract we should either trade for something of value or keep the player for scoring depth.

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#3 Eddie Shore
July 12 2013, 11:30AM
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Spydyr wrote:

You are right Perron-Gagner-Yakupov would have to be one of the weakest defensive lines in the NHL.

Still the team keeps loading up on small skilled wingers while trading away size and speed with potential.

The team still needs at least one more centre and one more top four d-man.

Cannot say I'm happy with giving Dubbie one more year to sink or swim.It is like they are writing this year off like the previous seven.

It looks more and more like Katz wants the team to contend when the new building opens.

He may be taller than Perron but Paajarvi is as soft as a marshmellow and he hasn't shown, in the AHL or NHL, that he is wlling to use his size consistently night after night. Perron isn't really small either, more average size.

I think some fans in Edmonton have developed a size complex and think that every player needs to be like 6'3 to be effective which just ins't true. Sure, it would be great if our core guys were big so we could play a heavy game, but the Oilers are not built that way and that isn't going to change. MacT landed a legit 2nd line winger, anyway you slice it, and still people complain. The talk of the potential a player has needs to end. Results are what should and will matter now.

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#4 OilClog
July 11 2013, 07:51PM
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If we have to trade my favourite Oiler that has been since Doug Weight and before that Bill Ranford and before that Paul Coffey.. Then two things must happen.

1. Not within conference, he'll kill us so badly. Like all those before him. 2. No cap retain, there is a trading GM that will take Hemsky in full tag.

Damn, 83 should stay.

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#6 Woodguy
July 11 2013, 08:18PM
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Adding to the fun is the new arbitration list, which includes four Los Angeles Kings (who have just over $5M in cap space). Jake Muzzin, anyone?

Trevor Lewis was 3RW (and defacto 5C in terms of faceoffs taken) on LAK this past year.

Not great on the dot, but he played tougher comp and this past year was on 1PK with Stoll.

Was 7/12 CorQC this past year (Fraser was 12/12). Last year was 12/18 CorQC.

RHS too.

I'd take him as 3RW.

26 years old. 6'1, 200lbs

Was making $750K last year....

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#7 15w40
July 11 2013, 10:33PM
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LT; do the Oilers need another defenseman, or do they need more help up the middle?

Based on what is coming from OKC and what they have just drafted, I would say a centreman should be a target - not another defenseman.

B. Schenn over Coburn from the Flyers would make more sense to me from a roster standpoint.

Maybe they can get some picks and a solid prospect from Jersey for Hemsky and then turn around and flip some of those assets to the Flyers along with some other combination to come up with a deal for a legit centreman.

The Flyers now have Giroux, LeCavalier, Schenn, Couturier. The first 2 aren't moving and the last has a very low cap hit.

Maybe if you include Petry in the deal you can get both Schenn and Coburn but I say the centre is the more immediate need.

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#8 G Money
July 11 2013, 11:22PM
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Because of Pronger and the LTIR and the ability to temporarily get below the cap with some AHL assignments, I don't believe Philly is in nearly as much cap trouble as it would look on the surface.

On the other hand, if you look at players signed, players RFA, and $ per position, I think Pittsburgh, LA, Carolina, Detroit, and Vancouver all look to be in deep doodoo.

I would think a trade with Philly will be a hockey trade, which will cost more than a trade with the other teams listed, which would be a cap-driven trade.

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#9 toprightcorner
July 11 2013, 11:56PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Hemsky was one of the oilers best forwards for the first half of this season.

Before he was injured. Sadly he's always injured or playing injured.

If he could stay healthy he would be a huge part of the team and an attempt at competing for a playoff spot.

Hemsky was 7th on the team in P/PG behind even J Schultz, he was one of the top guys for about 2 weeks and that's it.

Unfortunately he is our third or forth best winger and slipping, he just doesn't fill a need. He's not 2-way, does't play with power, roughness or hit guys and thats what we need to push for playoffs.

Trade an asset to get an asset that better fills a need

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#10 bwar
July 12 2013, 12:13AM
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toprightcorner wrote:

I would do that in a heart beat, even a 2nd round as Colburn would likely be our #1 dman this year but with only a $1 mill cap savings probably doesn't help Holgrem too much.

N Schultz, a second rounder and retain $1.75 mill in salary and cap space and get it done. thats getting a top pair dman for a 3rd pairning dman, a 50/50 prospect and a bit of money and we have Colburn on a 3 yr contract. Bit of an overpayment but worth it to get Colburn.

I like your thinking though, Schultz could be good trade bait.

Overpayment is when you give too much.

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#11 nuge2nail
July 12 2013, 12:53AM
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bumboclate(In MacT we trust!) wrote:

Oiler fans have been singing that same song for years now! time to let him go.

Oiler Domination To Follow

I agree with letting him go if we spend the cap space on Grabovski or a player of that level.

I don't agree with letting him go for an inferior player, just for the sake of change.

We need a valuable young asset in return that will contribute significantly to the playoff race if we get rid of Hemsky, that's all I'm sayin.

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#12 Clyde Frog
July 12 2013, 08:02AM
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Benny Botts wrote:

Is this another Josh Oiler trade rumour? Or a legit rumour ?

How can you question any rumor that has so many of its facts quoted and sourced...

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#13 Ryan2
July 12 2013, 10:46AM
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K_Mart wrote:

I would have rather seen the oilers trade MPS for Sid. We got a player who is better than Paajarvi. It's an upgrade. Beggars can't be choosers and we are lucky we were able to take advantage of St. Louis like this.

There is no way Armstrong ever makes this deal if he has cap room.

How did we take advantage of St. Louis in this deal? Yes, the Oilers got the best player right now in the trade, but at the price of their best expendable young forward asset plus a draft pick to a team that was desperate to create cap space and plays a position that is not a burning need. Great, MacT made an upgrade (can't comment on how much it will be yet), but in doing so gave up the most valuable and expendable forward asset without addressing his biggest need.

FWIW, the jury is still out on Perron as well. Check out some of the trade commentaries in St. Louis and you will see a couple of common themes - does not go into the hard areas after his concussion, cheats for offense, turnover issues, and is part of an "entitlement" attitude on the team. My biggest concern with a potential line of Perron-Gagner-Yakupov is how weak it would be defensively. You can't score if the other team keeps you hemmed in your own end.

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#14 Spydyr
July 12 2013, 11:05AM
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@Ryan2

You are right Perron-Gagner-Yakupov would have to be one of the weakest defensive lines in the NHL.

Still the team keeps loading up on small skilled wingers while trading away size and speed with potential.

The team still needs at least one more centre and one more top four d-man.

Cannot say I'm happy with giving Dubbie one more year to sink or swim.It is like they are writing this year off like the previous seven.

It looks more and more like Katz wants the team to contend when the new building opens.

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#15 madjam
July 12 2013, 11:18AM
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IS SMYTH STILL A VALUABLE ASSET ? YES . We have very little proven veteran leadership left with playoff experience and well liked by fans , organization , and players alike . He's committed to us like very few ever were . His value will be felt thru out the season , and knowing his character , even more so come playoffs if we get there . The kids can all learn from him even if his role is diminished . I'm confident Smyth would rather retire on his own assessment if he felt he would be a detriment to teams success . Who else quite frankly can fill those voids in our limited veterans ? He's given us everything he's got and we are fortunate he wants to retire here . Cut him some slack if only for his previous services , as it's not a huge price to pay for some of his loyalty and commitment .

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#16 Ryan2
July 12 2013, 11:57AM
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OILERSORDEATH wrote:

Obviously you didn't watch and of the playoffs between LA and St. Louis? Perron was constantly in Quicks face as well as creating many quality chances. He was going hard every shift. Oilers win the trade hands down end of discussion. Big softy out, medium sized pitbowl in!

I did not notice him in the bits and pieces of that series that I watched, but that is fine since I hardly caught any of it. His stat line reads like this: Perron went -3 with 2 assists in the 6 games. The 2 assists is not an issue to me since the team scored so little, but the -3 in a low scoring series certainly does. A line with him-Gagner-Yak will leak scoring chances against.

Regardless, you are missing my point. It is this - why waste your best young forward asset on another winger? The Oilers' biggest needs are at center and defence, not the wing. Getting Perron is an upgread on MPS, but does not help the team improve as much as getting a bigger 2nd/3rd line center or a #2 or #3 d-man would have (trading for a true #1 would not be worth it now as it would only create more holes).

MPS has his flaws, but he was the one young forward the team had that was valued by other GMs and should have been Instead of being patient, MacT likely jumped at this as his first potential "bold" move as a GM. A more experienced GM would have waited longer to see if he could have used the asset in a package to address a real need instead.

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#17 OilersBrass
July 12 2013, 12:48PM
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Obiwan Eberle - Team Silver Fox wrote:

go to this site http://www.hockeyabstract.com/playerusagecharts

click the "Player" drop down menu and only make Perron, David and Paajarvi-Svensson, Magnus active....that should clear things up for you.

also consider the very real fact that Maggie has never, at any level, shown the ability to put up points...something an insider once told me, goes a long way towards winning

Hasn't shown the ability to put up points at any level?

The kid was a beast in World Tournaments. He put up plenty of points at the international level.

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#18 OilersBrass
July 12 2013, 01:39PM
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DSF wrote:

He put up a ton of those points against Norway.

You will note he was not even invited to the last Word Championship.

Why would he get invited when they were waiting on players like the Sedins to fill roster spots.

I'm sure MPS will play well with Berglund on the blues. He also played extremely well with Mikael Backlund.

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#19 madjam
July 12 2013, 03:40PM
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Spydyr wrote:

" loyalty and commitment "

Like when he played hard ball with his contract and got himself traded to the Islanders.

He is old slow and should be replaced by a player with a future.

He , like almost all players , pay their agent to play hardball and in his interests to get the best deal , and his agent lost trying to squeeze an extra $100,00 - as Oilers decided to let him go , rightly or wrongly. Smyth did not want to go . Smyth brings the intangibles which are is important to our team , as veteran leadership has dwindled markedly .We need some veteran balance and I believe MacT. feels he still brings that valuable quality . Those sorts of intangibles have value over and above on ice value . That's what he has , and that's the extra he brings . Can we maybe get a better on ice person ? Maybe , but I doubt that person will have the needed intangibles that Smyth can bring , and thus make the entire team better to the extent he can . I just don't see it as being a priority needed change at this stage . I disagree , I feel he is of good value still .

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#20 Fatbob24
July 11 2013, 07:57PM
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See ya.

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#21 99thOilerfan
July 11 2013, 08:00PM
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Damn, 83 should stay.

True, but the weight of all those years, weighs heavy on both parties....

Farewell is such sweet sorrow...

Guess Symth is on a farewell tour too...

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#22 The Soup Fascist
July 11 2013, 08:10PM
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As mentioned, Los Angeles is in a pickle. I know Gregor suggested that Clifford should be a target but would Jordan Nolan not be another guy to go after, LT?

I realize he has not put up a ton of points but he is a huge punishing player to play against. And he is only 24.

$5 million to sign Lewis, Nolan, Muzzin, Martinez and Clifford? Not happening. Even if they can do something clever with Willie Mitchell (and his 35+ contract), they are still in a world of hurt.

One of Clifford or Nolan should be available and they would fit nicely on the Oilers team.

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#23 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 11 2013, 08:14PM
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Hemskys never been on the market. There may have been rumours he was, but one of the Oilers better players is a staple here. It'll take a Kings ransom to free him from Edmontons grasp. He may have been available for a fleeting moment or two, but he shouldn't be now that someone needs him.

Be great to have a sellers market for 83, if not, let him be an Oiler for most of one more season.

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#24 horndog77
July 11 2013, 08:16PM
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I'd rather trade Smyth over Hemsky any day of the week! New Jersey does seem like a good fit for Hemsky with Ilya retiring, perhaps a Hemsky N.schultz and prospects for Larson.

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#25 RJ
July 11 2013, 08:22PM
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People want Gagner to sign here at a reasonable cap hit. But that doesn't mean that he will.

@Lowetide; what do you think Gagner's value as a UFA would be, especially since he hasn't hit his prime yet? I'd put him earning more than Bozak who got a 5 year, $21 million contract.

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#26 The Soup Fascist
July 11 2013, 08:23PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Hemskys never been on the market. There may have been rumours he was, but one of the Oilers better players is a staple here. It'll take a Kings ransom to free him from Edmontons grasp. He may have been available for a fleeting moment or two, but he shouldn't be now that someone needs him.

Be great to have a sellers market for 83, if not, let him be an Oiler for most of one more season.

Not to nitpick Q, but one of those "rumours" was broadcast over the airwaves by the General Manager, one Craig Allister* MacTavish. So either he is going with the "tear 'em down and build 'em up" motivational strategy or Hemmer will be moved out if there is a reasonable offer.

*No idea if Allister is MacT's middle name, but it really SHOULD be.

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#27 bwar
July 11 2013, 08:24PM
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Getting harder to see a fair deal with Philly being possible. What roster piece is a 2.5M Hemsky worth? Well if we are assumming that Philly wants to dump some cap in the move we instantly reduce the list of potential returns.

Hemsky + picks/prospects for Coburn? Well then what do we do with Nick Schultz? Unlikely we can send him to Philly and suddenly we become the team looking to dump salary.

Hemsky + 2014 1st for B Schenn? Is that enough to entice Philly? If it is where does he slot in and does Gagner become the next in line to be a ex-Oiler? Also this trade barely frees any cap for Philly.

Hemsky + ?? for Simmonds? Might be viable, frees a bit of cap for Philly. Exchanges skill for grit and maybe opens a hole in the depth chart for Matt Read. Depending on the extra cost could be ab option, assuming Philly has any interest in a 2.5M Hemsky.

As for other assets, I think it would be incredibly unwise to move Klefbom or Nurse. Gagner probably has a much too high price tag for Philly. Same with Smid. Petry might be an option but I'm sure it would have to be in a trade for Coburn and other pieces would still be needed. Our lesser D prospects might have some value but harder to pry roster player for just decent prospects.

I think there is a reason to trade came to fruition at the draft and as time goes one I just feel that a Flyers/Oilers trade becomes less and less likely.

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#28 The Soup Fascist
July 11 2013, 08:26PM
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Bonvie wrote:

I don't understand why people are talking about trading Hemsky and retaining salary it just doesn't make sense, we only have one year of that contract we should either trade for something of value or keep the player for scoring depth.

I don't understand why people are linking their comments with my totally unrelated drivel ... er ... posting.

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#29 fig pucker
July 11 2013, 08:34PM
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@lowetide in regards to coburn, he was slotted in philadelphia's top defence pairing but is really a second pairing defence man? he has size and can punish the opposition but he had apoor season last year and what about his shoulder seperation? what kind of compensation are we going to have to give philadelphia to get him? which pairing is he on in edmonton? sorry for so many questions. cheers

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#30 horndog77
July 11 2013, 08:38PM
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Hemsky with Elias and Jagr in New Jersey. That would be quite the line.

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#31 michael
July 11 2013, 08:59PM
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Bwar. Think outside the box. The flyers will have cap room once they put Pronger on the LITR. But I believe they get penalized for being over the cap before they can do that. I think and those who know can correct me if I am wrong. Philly can't put Pronger on the LITR and get cap relief until the season starts.

So they do have cap issues in a way. They need some relief to have wiggle room. Shenn is the target at 3.75 million. His next contract won't come close to that. Neither will Courtier's. Both should be in the 1.8-2.2 range. So Shenn moving forward appears the value contact.

They have a dog in Meszaros. Would they like to dump that contract. You betcha. Would I take that contract. You betcha. The price.Scott Laughton of the Oshawa Generals would do nicely. Plays behind Boone Jenner on that team. Compliance buyout for Meszaros and keep Shenn and Loughton.Put the screws to Holmgren. Its not like Philly developes forwards anyways.

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#32 toprightcorner
July 11 2013, 09:10PM
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@Bonvie

There are 2 reasons to retain salary to trade Hemsky.

Firstly, if you trade him to a team that is already cap tight where they can add a quality player and stay under the cap, you could actually get a better return that has long term benefits for a 1 year payment.

Secondly, it greatly opens up the amount of teams that could trade for him as there are probably about 10 teams that could not add $5.5 mill under the cap and Hemsky is the type of player teams want for a piece to push for playoffs, guys who are rebuilding won't want Hemsky.

Hemsky with a $3 mill cap hit gives you a much greater return than Hemsky with a $5.5 mill cap hit.

I would much rather trade Hemsky, retain half his salary an get a solid 3rd line grit player with size then a mid level prospect and 3rd round pick and not retain any salary.

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#33 toprightcorner
July 11 2013, 09:11PM
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Man, Hemsky looks like a 12 year old boy in that draft picture, at least now he looks like he is over 18!!

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#34 EHH Team
July 11 2013, 09:30PM
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toprightcorner wrote:

There are 2 reasons to retain salary to trade Hemsky.

Firstly, if you trade him to a team that is already cap tight where they can add a quality player and stay under the cap, you could actually get a better return that has long term benefits for a 1 year payment.

Secondly, it greatly opens up the amount of teams that could trade for him as there are probably about 10 teams that could not add $5.5 mill under the cap and Hemsky is the type of player teams want for a piece to push for playoffs, guys who are rebuilding won't want Hemsky.

Hemsky with a $3 mill cap hit gives you a much greater return than Hemsky with a $5.5 mill cap hit.

I would much rather trade Hemsky, retain half his salary an get a solid 3rd line grit player with size then a mid level prospect and 3rd round pick and not retain any salary.

exactly.

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#35 Racki
July 11 2013, 09:31PM
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Re: the cap hit available...

Bear in mind, this is with 22 bodies signed.. if Fedun signs (I should hope so!), I'd imagine he'd be on a 2-way, playing in the AHL, at least to start. By the time he was playing here though, something should happen to free the cap space (ex. LTIR). So it seems as though there is just over $7.5M to work with for one player... or $12.5M for two, if Hemsky's gone (which he should be, given MacT's earlier comments).

Pretty safe number to be working with.

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#36 Cody anderson
July 11 2013, 09:37PM
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I think we can easily find a trade partner for Hemsky even with his cap hit. I think we would be looking at a similar return as Horcoff without retaining salary. If we ate half of his slary we may very well either get a high end prospect or the big bodied gritty 3rd liner we need.

Another option I am sure they are looking at is packaging him with either draft picks, prospects, or possibly even Gagner if they cannot sign him to a reasonable contract.

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#37 madjam
July 11 2013, 09:37PM
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INQUIRY : If Hemsky is moved and we eat half his salary , do we still have to claim the $5M cap hit as well, or does Philly have to ? I do not think it can be split , but maybe it can . What's the verdict ? Philly cannot take on much of any contract . I suspect it would have to be draft choice and prospect for Coburn or any other Philly player . If we have to retain any part of Hemsky's cap hit , it kind of defeats the purpose if we have space to accommodate him . Wait till trade deadline next season if he's not a cancer to the team . I just don't see much of an appreciable value eating any portion of his salary . Lowetide probably nailed it when he says patience needed in the Hemsky case .

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#39 Smokey
July 11 2013, 09:43PM
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bwar wrote:

Yeah five years ago.

All 3 can still play. You got 3 guys who can carry the puck into the zone and reak havoc. If something suitable could be found in New Jersey I would love to see Hemsky flying in a soft eastern conference with no Rhegier in his nightmares.

I prefer he would stay play out his year. He was only reason any of us watched for 10 years. I think the Oil will miss him. I still dream of a Jagr Hemsky 3rd line. The hell with defence.

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#40 Cody anderson
July 11 2013, 09:43PM
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Who else would like to see the Oilers make offers to Cleary and Jagr?

The top 6 looks elite but not that big. A 3rd line of Cleary-Gordon-Jagr would sure get everyone's attention.

I am still scared that they may plan or running with Lander.

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#41 Racki
July 11 2013, 09:50PM
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madjam wrote:

INQUIRY : If Hemsky is moved and we eat half his salary , do we still have to claim the $5M cap hit as well, or does Philly have to ? I do not think it can be split , but maybe it can . What's the verdict ? Philly cannot take on much of any contract . I suspect it would have to be draft choice and prospect for Coburn or any other Philly player . If we have to retain any part of Hemsky's cap hit , it kind of defeats the purpose if we have space to accommodate him . Wait till trade deadline next season if he's not a cancer to the team . I just don't see much of an appreciable value eating any portion of his salary . Lowetide probably nailed it when he says patience needed in the Hemsky case .

It sounds like it works in equal percentages...

Meaning, if the Oilers retain $2.75M of his salary (which is $5.5M this year, so therefore retaining 50% of the salary), that means they retain 50% of the cap hit, or $2.5M.

So the Oilers would be charged with $2.5M cap hit for 2013/14, and the Flyers would be charged with $2.5M cap hit for 2013/14 for Hemsky.

Make sense?

Edit: FYI, The Pens and Canes made a deal in which Jussi Jokinen was moved with the Canes retaining $900k in both salary and cap hit (his cap hit and salary are normally equal for his contract, so that was the basic scenario).

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#42 alllen
July 11 2013, 09:50PM
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OilClog wrote:

If we have to trade my favourite Oiler that has been since Doug Weight and before that Bill Ranford and before that Paul Coffey.. Then two things must happen.

1. Not within conference, he'll kill us so badly. Like all those before him. 2. No cap retain, there is a trading GM that will take Hemsky in full tag.

Damn, 83 should stay.

nothing wrong with hemmer.he is a no 1 winger.

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#43 PutzStew
July 11 2013, 10:04PM
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@Bonvie

You ask a good question that help me phrase a response to the question that I was unable to.

The answer is simple.....Hemsky is not nearly as valuable to other teams as he was with the Edmonton Oilers. He may be worth $5mil (overpriced IMO) to the Oilers because of the contributions some feal he makes, as well as the soft spots others seem to have for him, but to a team like Philly, he is a second line player, with heaps of past injury problems and is worth no were near the $5mil that he is contracted to play for.

There where some great fans discussing a players worth to different teams on another comment section last night. This would fit in that conversation.

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#44 OilClog
July 11 2013, 10:08PM
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alllen wrote:

nothing wrong with hemmer.he is a no 1 winger.

ummm... thanks?

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#45 OilClog
July 11 2013, 10:09PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Agree. Hemsky was the #1 reason I got in my car to go to Oiler games for most of his time here. Hopefully he'll win a Stanley, but it would be sweeter if it were as an Oiler.

He will do what Doug did.. meet us in the finals, lift the cup above his head. Another 77years of doom inflict us.

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#46 bwar
July 11 2013, 10:10PM
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With MacT stating shortly after becoming GM that is was likely he would move both Horcoff and Hemsky, and with imo Horcoff being the harder contract to move, m guess would be that either the interest in Hemsky is very limited or the asking price is higher than teams are willing to pay. I just don't see the Oilers getting enough in return for any trade involving Hemsky. I hope MacT proves me wrong but right now I have troubles conjuring up a viable trade where the only roster player we are parting with is Hemsky and getting immediate value in return.

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#47 horndog77
July 11 2013, 10:11PM
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Smokey wrote:

All 3 can still play. You got 3 guys who can carry the puck into the zone and reak havoc. If something suitable could be found in New Jersey I would love to see Hemsky flying in a soft eastern conference with no Rhegier in his nightmares.

I prefer he would stay play out his year. He was only reason any of us watched for 10 years. I think the Oil will miss him. I still dream of a Jagr Hemsky 3rd line. The hell with defence.

Yup, that would be a answer for New Jersey temporarily. Pretty hard to replace Ilya when free agency is in week two! Edmonton would have to eat some salary, but like some said the return would be greater.

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#48 Bonvie
July 11 2013, 10:27PM
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There are 2 reasons to retain salary to trade Hemsky.

Firstly, if you trade him to a team that is already cap tight where they can add a quality player and stay under the cap, you could actually get a better return that has long term benefits for a 1 year payment.

Secondly, it greatly opens up the amount of teams that could trade for him as there are probably about 10 teams that could not add $5.5 mill under the cap and Hemsky is the type of player teams want for a piece to push for playoffs, guys who are rebuilding won't want Hemsky.

Hemsky with a $3 mill cap hit gives you a much greater return than Hemsky with a $5.5 mill cap hit.

I would much rather trade Hemsky, retain half his salary an get a solid 3rd line grit player with size then a mid level prospect and 3rd round pick and not retain any salary.

Has it really come down to eating salary on his contract to pick up a 3rd liner.

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toprightcorner wrote:

There are 2 reasons to retain salary to trade Hemsky.

Firstly, if you trade him to a team that is already cap tight where they can add a quality player and stay under the cap, you could actually get a better return that has long term benefits for a 1 year payment.

Secondly, it greatly opens up the amount of teams that could trade for him as there are probably about 10 teams that could not add $5.5 mill under the cap and Hemsky is the type of player teams want for a piece to push for playoffs, guys who are rebuilding won't want Hemsky.

Hemsky with a $3 mill cap hit gives you a much greater return than Hemsky with a $5.5 mill cap hit.

I would much rather trade Hemsky, retain half his salary an get a solid 3rd line grit player with size then a mid level prospect and 3rd round pick and not retain any salary.

Has it really come down to eating salary on his contract to pick up a 3rd liner.

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#50 Jerod
July 11 2013, 10:31PM
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Seems like there is very little patience with the fans. Oilers are in a rebuild they are years away from competing for a Cup. So they keep Hemsky or trade him not a big deal.

It comes down to building a team and keeping your job. Balancing act that hopefully ends up with a potential Stanley Cup like team.

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