PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE

Lowetide
July 11 2013 07:42PM

The Edmonton Oilers have added some impressive names to their roster so far this summer, and still have cap room, assets to trade and holes to fill. All they need is opportunities, and they may still be out there.

BIG OPPORTUNITY

The Oilers this evening have $7.6M in cap room and have to sign Sam Gagner (and Taylor Fedun if there's money left over). They are also likely to trade Ales Hemsky and his $5M cap hit (although they could also make a deal while retaining as much as $2.5M in 83 cap) although that's not a slam dunk. It's probably reasonable to estimate the Oilers cap number (after Gagner's signing and the Hemsky deal) to be in the $5M range.

FLYERS STILL HAVE PROBLEMS

You'll recall the Oilers spent much of draft day attempting to pry Braydon Coburn from the Philadelphia Flyers. Many days later, the Flyers are still trying to find a way out of cap hell and the Coburn option remains according to Frank Seravalli from the Philadelphia Daily News.

  • Seravalli: "St. Louis didn't want to move 25-year-old forward David Perron ($3.8 million) yesterday, but dealt him to Edmonton for Magnus Paajarvi to free up much-needed space. Many believe the Blues could have gotten more for Perron if teams didn't already know St. Louis general manager Doug Armstrong was being forced to make a move to try and re-sign restricted free agent blue liner Alex Pietrangelo. (Flyers GM Paul) Holmgren could be in the same situation with Coburn. Don't be surprised if a trade pops out of the blue."

Would the Oilers have interest? One would think so based the number of conversations Holmgren and Oilers GM Craig MacTavish had during the draft. A Perron-Paajarvi style trade for Coburn (cap hit $4.5M times three years) might mean Edmonton offers a less expensive player to the Flyers in return.

NEW JERSEY HAS NEW PROBLEMS

The news today that Ilya Kovalchuk has retired to the KHL (for more money!!!) means Lou and the Devils are on the lookout for replacement talent. Again the $2.5M Hemsky (Oilers would take on half of the cap) might have real value, and perhaps Edmonton could receive some useful talent (Olesz, Loktionov) and  draft picks for future use.

ARBITRATION LIST

Adding to the fun is the new arbitration list, which includes four Los Angeles Kings (who have just over $5M in cap space). Jake Muzzin, anyone?

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Oilers spent much of draft weekend trying to find a trade partner. We know they pursued Braydon Coburn and we know the St. Louis Blues made David Perron available leading into the draft. On the other side of free agency, it looks as though some of those same teams are now calling the Oilers. Patience is a virtue.

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#51 K_Mart
July 11 2013, 11:23PM
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Ryan2 wrote:

This is why I do not like the MPS + 2nd overpay for Perron. The Oilers have enough wingers, but no NHL caliber centermen outside of the unsigned Gagner and Gordon that will be ready for the start of the season. They should not rush RNH back either seeing as he is trending to be an injury risk already.

MPS was likely their best forward asset to move due to size, speed, potential upside and contract status. I would have rather seen the team move him in a package to Philly for one of their centermen.

I would have rather seen the oilers trade MPS for Sid. We got a player who is better than Paajarvi. It's an upgrade. Beggars can't be choosers and we are lucky we were able to take advantage of St. Louis like this.

There is no way Armstrong ever makes this deal if he has cap room.

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#52 nuge2nail
July 11 2013, 11:28PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

I love Hemsky, when he gets first line pp minutes he's a much better player.

That said he's not getting first line pp minutes here, he deserves to dazzle and dangle with a pure sniper on another team.

We will regret trading him if we don't get a solid return and macT will look like an idiot.

Only trade him if we get a solid 20 goal scoring third liner back.

Examples: Malone, Umberger, N Foligno, etc. Trading a 50-70 point third liner for a gritty 40 point forward is not a step forward IMO - but if Hemsky asked for a trade macTs hands may be tied.

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#53 toprightcorner
July 11 2013, 11:33PM
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Bonvie wrote:

Has it really come down to eating salary on his contract to pick up a 3rd liner.

For one that plays with grit and plays big, unfortunately yes, as there just isn't many of them around that teams will trade for a guy they may only have for 1 year.

Guys lake Talbot, Stafford, Winnick, Lewis, Abdelkader or Ruutu, not saying I would target these guys in particular but are all quality 3rd liners, are not as easy to get as people think and I would rather get one of those guys by eating salary then settling for someone of lower quality

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#54 nuge2nail
July 11 2013, 11:35PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Hemsky was one of the oilers best forwards for the first half of this season.

Before he was injured. Sadly he's always injured or playing injured.

If he could stay healthy he would be a huge part of the team and an attempt at competing for a playoff spot.

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#55 toprightcorner
July 11 2013, 11:44PM
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Bonvie wrote:

If we were talking about a Brayden Schenn or Colin Wilson deal, he'll yeah eat some salary but 3rd liners, why?

Sorry bud, trading a guy at $5.5 mill who is a UFA after 1 year for guys that were top 10 picks and still have 4-5 years as an RFA is not gonna happen even if the Oilers were able to retain 100% of the cap number.

BTW, Schenn outscored Hemsky and Wilson had a better P/PG then Hemsky, both those guys are top 6 players either this year or next, Hemsky and a 2nd wouldn't get you either one, Hemsky and a 1st may get you Wilson but still wouldn't get you Schenn as that pick is likely a 12 -16 pick.

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#56 madjam
July 11 2013, 11:45PM
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Racki wrote:

It sounds like it works in equal percentages...

Meaning, if the Oilers retain $2.75M of his salary (which is $5.5M this year, so therefore retaining 50% of the salary), that means they retain 50% of the cap hit, or $2.5M.

So the Oilers would be charged with $2.5M cap hit for 2013/14, and the Flyers would be charged with $2.5M cap hit for 2013/14 for Hemsky.

Make sense?

Edit: FYI, The Pens and Canes made a deal in which Jussi Jokinen was moved with the Canes retaining $900k in both salary and cap hit (his cap hit and salary are normally equal for his contract, so that was the basic scenario).

Makes sense , and Hemsky value to most teams with any space would be a terrific bargain . Where are you going to get a top six forward for $2.75M ? Hemsky would be high reward low risk seeing as it's only one year left on his contract .

Having said that , and Philly not content with Coburn contract , a straight up trade one for one should be beneficial to both . Perhaps Jersey might show interest and we could try for Henrique ? To L.A. possibly Clifford and Cliché ? Might be a stretch .

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#57 Josh Oiler
July 11 2013, 11:48PM
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IF ALES HEMSKY WAS NOT A EDMONTON OILER... WE WOULD BE TARGETING HIM LIKE NOBODIES BUSINESS.. HE IS (when healthy) one of the best FORWARDS IN THE NHL.

LETS GET JAROMIR JAGR SIGNED PLAYING WITH HEMSKY AND U WILL SEE THEY WILL FIND THEMSELVES THE 1st Line in EDMONTON. We can call them the Czech"ing" line... Get it. The Checking line only spelled.. Aww forget it..

Anyway: rumor has it Holmgren called MacTavish to drum up a trade. He wants top OKC prospects. Musil and Fedun were rumored in the mix.

If Coburn involved.. I think MacT would part with over half of the OKC lineup.

GO FOR MAC-T..

I can taste the STANLEY CUP ALREADY!

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#58 **
July 11 2013, 11:51PM
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I wonder if philly might take nick schultz and a 3rd round draft pick for coburn.

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#59 toprightcorner
July 11 2013, 11:56PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

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Hemsky was one of the oilers best forwards for the first half of this season.

Before he was injured. Sadly he's always injured or playing injured.

If he could stay healthy he would be a huge part of the team and an attempt at competing for a playoff spot.

Hemsky was 7th on the team in P/PG behind even J Schultz, he was one of the top guys for about 2 weeks and that's it.

Unfortunately he is our third or forth best winger and slipping, he just doesn't fill a need. He's not 2-way, does't play with power, roughness or hit guys and thats what we need to push for playoffs.

Trade an asset to get an asset that better fills a need

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#60 toprightcorner
July 12 2013, 12:08AM
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** wrote:

I wonder if philly might take nick schultz and a 3rd round draft pick for coburn.

I would do that in a heart beat, even a 2nd round as Colburn would likely be our #1 dman this year but with only a $1 mill cap savings probably doesn't help Holgrem too much.

N Schultz, a second rounder and retain $1.75 mill in salary and cap space and get it done. thats getting a top pair dman for a 3rd pairning dman, a 50/50 prospect and a bit of money and we have Colburn on a 3 yr contract. Bit of an overpayment but worth it to get Colburn.

I like your thinking though, Schultz could be good trade bait.

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#61 bwar
July 12 2013, 12:13AM
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toprightcorner wrote:

I would do that in a heart beat, even a 2nd round as Colburn would likely be our #1 dman this year but with only a $1 mill cap savings probably doesn't help Holgrem too much.

N Schultz, a second rounder and retain $1.75 mill in salary and cap space and get it done. thats getting a top pair dman for a 3rd pairning dman, a 50/50 prospect and a bit of money and we have Colburn on a 3 yr contract. Bit of an overpayment but worth it to get Colburn.

I like your thinking though, Schultz could be good trade bait.

Overpayment is when you give too much.

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#62 GVBlackhawk
July 12 2013, 12:26AM
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toprightcorner wrote:

I would do that in a heart beat, even a 2nd round as Colburn would likely be our #1 dman this year but with only a $1 mill cap savings probably doesn't help Holgrem too much.

N Schultz, a second rounder and retain $1.75 mill in salary and cap space and get it done. thats getting a top pair dman for a 3rd pairning dman, a 50/50 prospect and a bit of money and we have Colburn on a 3 yr contract. Bit of an overpayment but worth it to get Colburn.

I like your thinking though, Schultz could be good trade bait.

Guy, it is Braydon Coburn. What 2nd round pick were you referring to? St.Louis owns Edmonton's 2nd round pick for the 2014 draft.

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#63 nuge2nail
July 12 2013, 12:26AM
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toprightcorner wrote:

Hemsky was 7th on the team in P/PG behind even J Schultz, he was one of the top guys for about 2 weeks and that's it.

Unfortunately he is our third or forth best winger and slipping, he just doesn't fill a need. He's not 2-way, does't play with power, roughness or hit guys and thats what we need to push for playoffs.

Trade an asset to get an asset that better fills a need

Oiler Domination To Follow

I imagine Hemsky would be getting some ppas if he was on the first Powerplay unit - taking his p/pg into the top five. .

I remember him scoring some nice goals contributing to keeping us in the playoff mix up until the last quarter season.

You can't think he wouldn't be top 5 if he was on the first pp unit.

I think he will be a top 5 forward on the team that gets him.

Making him a clear top 6 forward.

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#64 bumboclate(In MacT we trust!)
July 12 2013, 12:47AM
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@nuge2nail

Oiler fans have been singing that same song for years now! time to let him go.

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#65 nuge2nail
July 12 2013, 12:53AM
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bumboclate(In MacT we trust!) wrote:

Oiler fans have been singing that same song for years now! time to let him go.

Oiler Domination To Follow

I agree with letting him go if we spend the cap space on Grabovski or a player of that level.

I don't agree with letting him go for an inferior player, just for the sake of change.

We need a valuable young asset in return that will contribute significantly to the playoff race if we get rid of Hemsky, that's all I'm sayin.

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#66 Throttlehead
July 12 2013, 03:29AM
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** wrote:

I wonder if philly might take nick schultz and a 3rd round draft pick for coburn.

Nick Schultz and Musil would be fine.

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#67 Throttlehead
July 12 2013, 03:33AM
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madjam wrote:

Makes sense , and Hemsky value to most teams with any space would be a terrific bargain . Where are you going to get a top six forward for $2.75M ? Hemsky would be high reward low risk seeing as it's only one year left on his contract .

Having said that , and Philly not content with Coburn contract , a straight up trade one for one should be beneficial to both . Perhaps Jersey might show interest and we could try for Henrique ? To L.A. possibly Clifford and Cliché ? Might be a stretch .

How about Hemsky and Hartikanen (throw in Omark too) for Henrique.

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#68 charliedont
July 12 2013, 04:34AM
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Hemsky has talent no-doubt, but he's also terribly inconsistent, injured and/or going offside making house-league, atom hockey gaffes at every turn. We all get up and high-five the three times a season that he dangles through a whole team, but he's not helping this team win hockey games. The Pisani's, Bickell's and Marchand's win you hockey games when the going gets tough; not this ballerina.

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#69 J J
July 12 2013, 06:21AM
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@nuge2nail

or we can not trade him so he becomes a free agent next year and get NOTHING for him.... need to trade him for something this year

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#70 Cody anderson
July 12 2013, 06:24AM
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There is no doubt Hemsky will be traded. There is no way he can surpass Eberle or Yakupov to get top 6 RW and all have shown to be less effective when switched over to LW.

Hemsky has to play with high end skill to be effective. He can still put up points so I am sure someone will take him. The problem is the Oilers had no skill other than him for a lot of his career so he got used to trying to do too much. Now he always hangs on to the puck too long and tries one too many moves. He is one of the worst offenders in the league for dragging people offside or going offside himself.

Hemsky has great hands and speed and if all you were watching were the highlights of his good moments he has a place on any team in the league. At this time our bottom 6 is atrocious and I still would not have a place for him on this team. am hoping Mact is showing patience and has a few trades offers in the wing for him.

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#71 madjam
July 12 2013, 06:45AM
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Throttlehead wrote:

How about Hemsky and Hartikanen (throw in Omark too) for Henrique.

We hold both their rights , but why keep them other than for a possible trade as you suggest . Will either play again for our parent club or are what you call a bona fide NHL'er' - probably not . Not like a Radulov or Kovalchuk . I don't know if other clubs put any value into getting them ? Hartikainen might have some value seeing as he left on his own . I'd do it .

Having said that , I wouldn't mind an L A. Clifford deal with Cliché being added onto our side . Cliché was Perron's centerman in junior and was highly regarded , but still has not made the bigs, but is progressing nicely finally in Manchester . Like Turris he appears to be a late bloomer . Could be a diamond in the ruff . If nothing else , he'd be an upgrade on our AHL club .

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#72 madjam
July 12 2013, 07:05AM
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TO LOWETIDE : Off topic somewhat , but can you find out if Flames deem Saddledoom (pun)irrepareable upon a second inspection would they then not qualify for civic, provincial and federal flood relief money to tear down the Saddledome and build a new arena , perhaps even before us ? I'm hearing that like some other bldg.s downtown , upon a second inspection they are being upgraded to irrepareable status , probably just for that purpose of getting flood relief dollars . If indeed Flames deem it irreplaceable and irrepareable as rumours suggest , where might the Flames play in the interim ?

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#73 Benny Botts
July 12 2013, 07:45AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

IF ALES HEMSKY WAS NOT A EDMONTON OILER... WE WOULD BE TARGETING HIM LIKE NOBODIES BUSINESS.. HE IS (when healthy) one of the best FORWARDS IN THE NHL.

LETS GET JAROMIR JAGR SIGNED PLAYING WITH HEMSKY AND U WILL SEE THEY WILL FIND THEMSELVES THE 1st Line in EDMONTON. We can call them the Czech"ing" line... Get it. The Checking line only spelled.. Aww forget it..

Anyway: rumor has it Holmgren called MacTavish to drum up a trade. He wants top OKC prospects. Musil and Fedun were rumored in the mix.

If Coburn involved.. I think MacT would part with over half of the OKC lineup.

GO FOR MAC-T..

I can taste the STANLEY CUP ALREADY!

Is this another Josh Oiler trade rumour? Or a legit rumour ?

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#74 Clyde Frog
July 12 2013, 08:02AM
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Benny Botts wrote:

Is this another Josh Oiler trade rumour? Or a legit rumour ?

How can you question any rumor that has so many of its facts quoted and sourced...

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#75 Walter Sobchak
July 12 2013, 08:11AM
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Would like the Oilers to go hard after Matthias from FLA, primarily a centre he can play both wings as well.

With FLA having Huberdeau and Barkov ready to go and the vetran Goc, plus Shore and Bjugstad on the way up I have to think Matthias could be in play.

This kid would be a dream to get. Matthias is Just ready to explode soon.

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#76 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
July 12 2013, 08:12AM
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Benny Botts wrote:

Is this another Josh Oiler trade rumour? Or a legit rumour ?

if you ever have Josh Oiler and legit in the same post again you will be forever tainted around the hallowed halls of the 'nation.

once is a forgivable mistake. twice means immediate and decisive consequences.

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#77 j
July 12 2013, 08:18AM
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nuge2nail wrote:

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I agree with letting him go if we spend the cap space on Grabovski or a player of that level.

I don't agree with letting him go for an inferior player, just for the sake of change.

We need a valuable young asset in return that will contribute significantly to the playoff race if we get rid of Hemsky, that's all I'm sayin.

The team requires additional balance. We have too many face cards in the lineup. Trading Hemsky for a 'lesser' player who fills a particular need in the lineup is a good move. Perhaps the additional equalization in the deal is salary retention or a draft pick but our objective isn't to find a better Hemsky. It is to fill holes and regain balance. Very different frame of reference that was completely lost on Tambo (but seems to be exactly what MacT is focused on). IMO, getting a lesser player for Hemsky is exactly what we should be doing at this point in time.

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#78 Lochenzo
July 12 2013, 08:26AM
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I think Philly would be looking for a cheap, reliable defenceman to replace Coburn's spot. If that option does not work, Philly may just dangle draft picks to try and move Meszaros or Grossman.

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#79 LinkfromHyrule
July 12 2013, 08:42AM
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I wish there was a stat showing # of offsides caused by a player. Hemskey would lead the league....

like the player, good soldier through the dark times of tambo/lowe, but it's time for everyone involved to move on. He doesn't fit here anymore

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#80 Smokey
July 12 2013, 09:17AM
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LinkfromHyrule wrote:

I wish there was a stat showing # of offsides caused by a player. Hemskey would lead the league....

like the player, good soldier through the dark times of tambo/lowe, but it's time for everyone involved to move on. He doesn't fit here anymore

I read some St. Louis blog and.supposely Perron likes going offside, bad offensive turnovers and penalties too.

Frankly just like see Hemsky play till the deadline, get a third round pick.

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#81 Benny Botts
July 12 2013, 09:22AM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

if you ever have Josh Oiler and legit in the same post again you will be forever tainted around the hallowed halls of the 'nation.

once is a forgivable mistake. twice means immediate and decisive consequences.

I have heard crazier stuff....wait..no I haven't

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#82 G Money
July 12 2013, 09:29AM
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All free agents still:

3L = Mason Raymond 3R = Peter Mueller or Damien Brunner 4C = Kyle Wellwood

Implications are 4L = Smyth, 4R = Jones, which is a much better fit for both of them, and that Hemsky is traded for picks/prospects, freeing up $5M in cap space.

This gives us >$12M in cap to sign Gagner and the above three, plus a few salaries get buried in the minors.

Not all of the above are perfect fits in terms of size or style or play, but all are legit NHL players and a big upgrade on who we have slotted in that role - but it makes for excellent depth, and 3rd/4th lines that are good enough to make the Oilers a playoff team.

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#83 Rama Lama
July 12 2013, 10:19AM
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I like Hemsky's skill, but he is not what we need right now.........I say trade him for a couple of draft picks.....(recoup our second round 2014 draft pick) and then put in an offer sheet for Kyle Clifford.

Thats the kind of player we need.

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#84 Spydyr
July 12 2013, 10:26AM
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99thOilerfan wrote:

Damn, 83 should stay.

True, but the weight of all those years, weighs heavy on both parties....

Farewell is such sweet sorrow...

Guess Symth is on a farewell tour too...

If Smyth is back Mac-T was definitely blowing smoke up poop shoots with the bold, big changes.

Selling hope every year since 2006.The new Oilers trademark.

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#85 Ryan2
July 12 2013, 10:46AM
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K_Mart wrote:

I would have rather seen the oilers trade MPS for Sid. We got a player who is better than Paajarvi. It's an upgrade. Beggars can't be choosers and we are lucky we were able to take advantage of St. Louis like this.

There is no way Armstrong ever makes this deal if he has cap room.

How did we take advantage of St. Louis in this deal? Yes, the Oilers got the best player right now in the trade, but at the price of their best expendable young forward asset plus a draft pick to a team that was desperate to create cap space and plays a position that is not a burning need. Great, MacT made an upgrade (can't comment on how much it will be yet), but in doing so gave up the most valuable and expendable forward asset without addressing his biggest need.

FWIW, the jury is still out on Perron as well. Check out some of the trade commentaries in St. Louis and you will see a couple of common themes - does not go into the hard areas after his concussion, cheats for offense, turnover issues, and is part of an "entitlement" attitude on the team. My biggest concern with a potential line of Perron-Gagner-Yakupov is how weak it would be defensively. You can't score if the other team keeps you hemmed in your own end.

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#86 Ducey
July 12 2013, 10:48AM
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OTT is a few $ over their self imposed $50 million spending cap. The still have to sign Wiercioch and Cowan. That might put them at $4 million over their cap, and in a position to have to deal.

Unfortunately I can't figure out a way that they take on Hemsky and reduce salary. Perhaps just Zach Smith for a prospect would work.

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#87 Spydyr
July 12 2013, 11:05AM
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@Ryan2

You are right Perron-Gagner-Yakupov would have to be one of the weakest defensive lines in the NHL.

Still the team keeps loading up on small skilled wingers while trading away size and speed with potential.

The team still needs at least one more centre and one more top four d-man.

Cannot say I'm happy with giving Dubbie one more year to sink or swim.It is like they are writing this year off like the previous seven.

It looks more and more like Katz wants the team to contend when the new building opens.

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#88 Will
July 12 2013, 11:07AM
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I am really getting excited over the idea of Coburn. Hopefully some of our prospects might get this deal done with Philly needing to get under the cap. Not to mention, if we could trade Hemsky, eat half his contract, and get that missing piece on the third line to make it really impressive, the Oilers would really start looking like a hockey team.

If we do get Coburn, what would happen to the likes of Belov and Potter? Coburn, Farence, Schultz, Schultz, Petry, Smid, Klefbomb / Belov?

With Nurse in the system and Klefbomb looking as good as he is, and Schultz hopefully taking a step forward, in two years this could be one of the best defences in the league.

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#89 Bucknuck
July 12 2013, 11:10AM
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If they can trade Horcoff and not eat salary, I can't see why they couldn't do the same for Hemsky. It's a low risk one year contract on a high end player. Second line on a good team, 1st line on a bad one (like, say... Calgary).

He's worth 5M.

They should be able to get something for him... it just won't be a from a team with a cap squeeze, or it will be a big contract coming back.

Unrelated to Hemsky: the Philly trade made sense when we had MPS and second round picks to dangle. Now that he's gone I don't know what we have that they would want. Nick Schultz is too expensive to suit their needs. Petry? I wouldn't trade him right now. He is definitely a top four defender and could be a top two if he keeps improving.

I can't get Yandle out of my head.

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#90 madjam
July 12 2013, 11:18AM
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IS SMYTH STILL A VALUABLE ASSET ? YES . We have very little proven veteran leadership left with playoff experience and well liked by fans , organization , and players alike . He's committed to us like very few ever were . His value will be felt thru out the season , and knowing his character , even more so come playoffs if we get there . The kids can all learn from him even if his role is diminished . I'm confident Smyth would rather retire on his own assessment if he felt he would be a detriment to teams success . Who else quite frankly can fill those voids in our limited veterans ? He's given us everything he's got and we are fortunate he wants to retire here . Cut him some slack if only for his previous services , as it's not a huge price to pay for some of his loyalty and commitment .

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#91 Spydyr
July 12 2013, 11:23AM
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@madjam

" loyalty and commitment "

Like when he played hard ball with his contract and got himself traded to the Islanders.

He is old slow and should be replaced by a player with a future.

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#92 OILERSORDEATH
July 12 2013, 11:25AM
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Ryan2 wrote:

How did we take advantage of St. Louis in this deal? Yes, the Oilers got the best player right now in the trade, but at the price of their best expendable young forward asset plus a draft pick to a team that was desperate to create cap space and plays a position that is not a burning need. Great, MacT made an upgrade (can't comment on how much it will be yet), but in doing so gave up the most valuable and expendable forward asset without addressing his biggest need.

FWIW, the jury is still out on Perron as well. Check out some of the trade commentaries in St. Louis and you will see a couple of common themes - does not go into the hard areas after his concussion, cheats for offense, turnover issues, and is part of an "entitlement" attitude on the team. My biggest concern with a potential line of Perron-Gagner-Yakupov is how weak it would be defensively. You can't score if the other team keeps you hemmed in your own end.

Obviously you didn't watch and of the playoffs between LA and St. Louis? Perron was constantly in Quicks face as well as creating many quality chances. He was going hard every shift. Oilers win the trade hands down end of discussion. Big softy out, medium sized pitbowl in!

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#93 DonDon
July 12 2013, 11:28AM
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"If they can trade Horcoff and not eat salary, I can't see why they couldn't do the same for Hemsky. It's a low risk one year contract on a high end player. Second line on a good team, 1st line on a bad one (like, say... Calgary).

He's worth 5M."

If you believe this is the case, then why hasn't MacT been able to move Hemsky? If one team wants to sell, worth relates to the buyer, not the seller. It is very probable that MacT is now aware of Hemsky's worth -- to buyers. It seems Hemsky has been a quickly depreciating asset, no longer a high end player.

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#94 DSF
July 12 2013, 11:30AM
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Jon Rosen ‏@lakingsinsider 13m

Jake Muzzin contract: 1 million x 2 years.

#bargain

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#95 Eddie Shore
July 12 2013, 11:30AM
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You are right Perron-Gagner-Yakupov would have to be one of the weakest defensive lines in the NHL.

Still the team keeps loading up on small skilled wingers while trading away size and speed with potential.

The team still needs at least one more centre and one more top four d-man.

Cannot say I'm happy with giving Dubbie one more year to sink or swim.It is like they are writing this year off like the previous seven.

It looks more and more like Katz wants the team to contend when the new building opens.

He may be taller than Perron but Paajarvi is as soft as a marshmellow and he hasn't shown, in the AHL or NHL, that he is wlling to use his size consistently night after night. Perron isn't really small either, more average size.

I think some fans in Edmonton have developed a size complex and think that every player needs to be like 6'3 to be effective which just ins't true. Sure, it would be great if our core guys were big so we could play a heavy game, but the Oilers are not built that way and that isn't going to change. MacT landed a legit 2nd line winger, anyway you slice it, and still people complain. The talk of the potential a player has needs to end. Results are what should and will matter now.

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#96 Craig1981
July 12 2013, 11:48AM
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Agreed, agreed, agreed. I think a lot of people google stats and then comment (we traded a 6'3" player for 6' we got weaker.....someone with a +5 is much better defensively than someone -2.......tsn shows him as a right winger there is no way can play with someone else that TSN has listed as RW)

I actually think Perron, Gagner and Yakapov all play with a grit other teams hate to see

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#97 Ryan2
July 12 2013, 11:57AM
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OILERSORDEATH wrote:

Obviously you didn't watch and of the playoffs between LA and St. Louis? Perron was constantly in Quicks face as well as creating many quality chances. He was going hard every shift. Oilers win the trade hands down end of discussion. Big softy out, medium sized pitbowl in!

I did not notice him in the bits and pieces of that series that I watched, but that is fine since I hardly caught any of it. His stat line reads like this: Perron went -3 with 2 assists in the 6 games. The 2 assists is not an issue to me since the team scored so little, but the -3 in a low scoring series certainly does. A line with him-Gagner-Yak will leak scoring chances against.

Regardless, you are missing my point. It is this - why waste your best young forward asset on another winger? The Oilers' biggest needs are at center and defence, not the wing. Getting Perron is an upgread on MPS, but does not help the team improve as much as getting a bigger 2nd/3rd line center or a #2 or #3 d-man would have (trading for a true #1 would not be worth it now as it would only create more holes).

MPS has his flaws, but he was the one young forward the team had that was valued by other GMs and should have been Instead of being patient, MacT likely jumped at this as his first potential "bold" move as a GM. A more experienced GM would have waited longer to see if he could have used the asset in a package to address a real need instead.

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#98 Obiwan Eberle - Team Silver Fox
July 12 2013, 12:07PM
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@Ryan2

go to this site http://www.hockeyabstract.com/playerusagecharts

click the "Player" drop down menu and only make Perron, David and Paajarvi-Svensson, Magnus active....that should clear things up for you.

also consider the very real fact that Maggie has never, at any level, shown the ability to put up points...something an insider once told me, goes a long way towards winning

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#99 RT
July 12 2013, 12:15PM
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You need to give some level of quality asset to get one in return. Also to note, we typically over-estimate the attractiveness of our players to other teams.

If Klefbom looks to be that good in 2 years time, I would do this:

Coburn for Petry and a prospect (Fedun? Simpson?)

Run: Coburn Ference Smid J Schultz Below/ Klefbom N Schultz

Adds more experience, sandpaper and balance to the lineup and lets Klefbom acclimate slowly. If he earns more earlier, so be it.

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#100 Will
July 12 2013, 12:29PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

If they can trade Horcoff and not eat salary, I can't see why they couldn't do the same for Hemsky. It's a low risk one year contract on a high end player. Second line on a good team, 1st line on a bad one (like, say... Calgary).

He's worth 5M.

They should be able to get something for him... it just won't be a from a team with a cap squeeze, or it will be a big contract coming back.

Unrelated to Hemsky: the Philly trade made sense when we had MPS and second round picks to dangle. Now that he's gone I don't know what we have that they would want. Nick Schultz is too expensive to suit their needs. Petry? I wouldn't trade him right now. He is definitely a top four defender and could be a top two if he keeps improving.

I can't get Yandle out of my head.

Hemsky 2014 1st rounder and say Gernat or Fedune get it done?

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