$AM GAGNER: GONNA GET PAID

Robin Brownlee
July 19 2013 05:10PM

After six NHL seasons of being a loyal and productive company man with the Edmonton Oilers, doing his job and never, that I've heard, uttering so much as a discouraging word about an employer that's been a gong show more often than not during his tenure, Sam Gagner is gonna get paid. And he should.

The only questions about the pending pay day are how much Gagner will get and in what increments he'll get it as he and the Oilers stare down a scheduled arbitration hearing Monday morning – a hearing that'll likely never convene.

If, in the highly unlikely event the hearing does go ahead, or if the sides agree on a one-year pact before the hearing for, say, $4.75 million, then Gagner will become the youngest UFA in NHL history at the end of next season, meaning the Oilers will simply have delayed the day he cashes in, here or elsewhere.

The way I see it, given what GM Craig MacTavish has already said about wanting to lock up Gagner long-term, what makes sense is announcing a new multi-year deal before the hearing, having a nice big group hug as a photo-op and then moving on.

If that's what the Oilers want, as I suspect it is, and they want to buy Gagner's 2013-14 RFA season and, say, four UFA years, then it's going to cost them $25 million, minimum, to do it. My, how that'll make the Gagner haters squirm.

ALL THE FINE PRINT

So, after six seasons toiling for an organization that's been a laughing stock most of the time, and that's missed the playoffs seven straight years, Gagner's in a rare position at the age of just 23. Coming off a one-year contract that paid him $3.2 million, he can negotiate a one-year deal with the Oilers or take one from an arbitrator and then be an UFA going into 2014-15.

The question about what Gagner is worth to the Oilers, and on the open market, has been a topic of hot debate, especially in the last couple of days. I see it one way – my interpretation of the market says it'll take that $5 million per. Others, like Jason Gregor, see it differently.

All kinds of "comparables" have been thrown out in argument of one number or another that fall well outside the relatively narrow scope of comparables in arbitration hearings as defined by the CBA. Some people look only at points. Others argue Gagner's worth based on size or his place in the pecking order in Edmonton – practical issues, but not necessarily issues that matter even a bit in an arbitration hearing or at the bargaining table.

The most comprehensive analysis I've seen on the subject has been done by Tyler Dellow and can be found here. My argument as to Gagner's worth is far less structured and, like that of many fans, much of it falls into the category of not mattering a bit in an arbitration hearing or at the bargaining table, as well.

THE WAY I SEE IT

To repeat my opening sentence, I view Gagner as a loyal and, yes, productive company man who brings exactly the kinds of qualities that MacTavish has said he values. Gagner's a good, not great, player. He's a good teammate. He's a player who cares about the guy next to him and has shown he'll stand up not only for himself, but his teammates as well. He's a good pro.

I've always found Gagner mature beyond his years. When he performs well, he downplays it or shares credit with others. When he stinks, and there's been more than one night when he has, Gagner owns it and makes no excuses. That holds true on the record and off it. Often, those are two different stories.

I haven't seen Gagner bristle once as younger players like Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov have come in with more fanfare and taken over the marquee. Some other veterans have. Not Gagner, who isn't exactly without pedigree as a sixth overall pick.

When I add in some of the intangibles I'm talking about to comparisons I see in the piece Dellow wrote, I don't think it's a stretch to believe that Gagner is a reasonable buy at $1 million less a season than Hall and Eberle just signed for. That means $5 million a season.

Ka-ching. Pay the man.

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#51 Hayek
July 19 2013, 08:49PM
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2nd line centre who is below average defensively, poor at faceoffs, and poor in the cycle.

If you want to point out positives without acknowledging the negatives, then $5M/season doesn't seem outrageous.

Looking at what Gagner actually brings compared to other NHL players means if he gets paid over $4M/season he likely will not live up to a contract.

If we feel we need to overpay, fine, but we better be confident the contract will be tradeable without having to eat salary in a deal.

RNH needs to be extended this year, Yakupov and Shultz next year. Overpaying for Gagner means that one of these superior players may be forced to be dealt.

Opportunity cost.

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#52 DSF
July 19 2013, 08:50PM
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Hayek wrote:

2nd line centre who is below average defensively, poor at faceoffs, and poor in the cycle.

If you want to point out positives without acknowledging the negatives, then $5M/season doesn't seem outrageous.

Looking at what Gagner actually brings compared to other NHL players means if he gets paid over $4M/season he likely will not live up to a contract.

If we feel we need to overpay, fine, but we better be confident the contract will be tradeable without having to eat salary in a deal.

RNH needs to be extended this year, Yakupov and Shultz next year. Overpaying for Gagner means that one of these superior players may be forced to be dealt.

Opportunity cost.

This.

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#53 Tyler
July 19 2013, 08:54PM
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All of the talk about what Yakupov, RNH and JSchultz will want kind of misses the point: they're going to be RFAs when they do their next deal. We'll see if Hall's deal serves as a cap - I'm not so sure it will. If Yakupov scores 40 next year, I'm not convinced he'll take the $6MM deal.

That being said, the point is this: say that Gagner's a 60 pt guy in a second line role with lots of PP time. That's a hell of a hockey player and worth a fair amount of money. I'd expect that he'll be in the black +/- wise provided that they can sort out whatever the hell went wrong this year.

If that's the player he is, anything below $6MM is probably a fair deal, with the possibility of looking like a steal if the cap's at $80MM three years from now.

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#54 TonyT
July 19 2013, 08:54PM
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@Hayek

Agreed. I think most of us agree, that even with the roster moves made this off-season, this roster is not a playoff team. I strongly believe the Oilers cannot go deep with their current top 6, trade Gagner while he has value.

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#55 Tyler
July 19 2013, 08:55PM
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And for all the talk about Gagner being below average defensively, I've got some numbers that are ahead of anything else out there I think. They say he's not that bad.

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#57 DSF
July 19 2013, 08:57PM
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Tyler wrote:

All of the talk about what Yakupov, RNH and JSchultz will want kind of misses the point: they're going to be RFAs when they do their next deal. We'll see if Hall's deal serves as a cap - I'm not so sure it will. If Yakupov scores 40 next year, I'm not convinced he'll take the $6MM deal.

That being said, the point is this: say that Gagner's a 60 pt guy in a second line role with lots of PP time. That's a hell of a hockey player and worth a fair amount of money. I'd expect that he'll be in the black +/- wise provided that they can sort out whatever the hell went wrong this year.

If that's the player he is, anything below $6MM is probably a fair deal, with the possibility of looking like a steal if the cap's at $80MM three years from now.

If that's the player he is.

No evidence to support it.

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#58 Tyler
July 19 2013, 09:01PM
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No evidence to support it.

I submit the pro-rated 60 point season he had this year as evidence in support of the point. He did this with horrific possession numbers that were almost certainly linked to goofy tactics.

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#59 RexLibris
July 19 2013, 09:01PM
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I'm in agreement with you Robin.

I'd also add that Gagner has generally shown up for games (with varying levels of effectiveness I'll grant) when there was literally nothing left to play for.

If he'll do that on a deadbeat club in the middle of March, what would he do for the team in the playoffs?

Not to mention, that Movember moustache he can sport at the young age of 23 is something to behold. I'd love to see him go Grizzly Adams on a playoff run.

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#60 Tyler
July 19 2013, 09:03PM
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At 30 years old, Weiss is a finished product who has scored .60 PPG in his career playing 17:59 a night on a team that's been far better than the teams Gagner has been on. Gagner, 23, has played 58 seconds less per game on a team that's been the dregs of the league since he broke in and has scored .62 PPG. He's not all he can be yet.

Also, even assume that they're exactly the same player. What's likely to be better? Ages 24-28 on a five year deal or ages 30-34 on a five year deal? Everyone seems to ignore that UFAs are almost always guys on the downslope and Gagner isn't.

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#61 DSF
July 19 2013, 09:06PM
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Tyler wrote:

No evidence to support it.

I submit the pro-rated 60 point season he had this year as evidence in support of the point. He did this with horrific possession numbers that were almost certainly linked to goofy tactics.

Pro rating a Gagner season is a fool's paradise.

He had 2 second assists in the teams last 10 games..

SMALL sample size.

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#62 Terran
July 19 2013, 09:12PM
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@DSF

"He had 2 second assists in the teams last 10 games

SMALL sample size."

Why yes, yes it is...

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#63 Taylor Gang
July 19 2013, 09:14PM
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DSF wrote:

Pro rating a Gagner season is a fool's paradise.

He had 2 second assists in the teams last 10 games..

SMALL sample size.

In their last ten games, they won 2 games.

Like most NHL players, Gagner is not a one man show.

Hardly a fair argument

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#64 Hayek
July 19 2013, 09:18PM
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I'm okay with Gagner, but afraid people put too much weight on his last season. It was a shortened season in which RNH was injured, and Gagner received more PP time and ice time than he probably can expect to receive in the future.

A positive for him is that he seems to have a hold on 2nd PP time now with no player threatening to steal this ice time.

I don't mean to bash Gagner, because I like him as a player. But liking someone as a player doesn't mean I like him for $5M/season, nor for $4M/season, although I could live with a deal nearer to the latter.

We'll be pretty close to the cap this season, so the cap not increasing in subsequent years would mean deals signed over these past 2 years could have very negative consequences for teams not adjusting appropriately to the cap.

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#65 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 19 2013, 09:21PM
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Well done. DSF wins this battle of reasoning in a landslide. Like you mentioned, with overpays being the constant, the Oilers will never have the necessary depth to become/remain competitive. Perhaps Bettman could allow for teams in these B and C markets one marquee contract to not count against the cap, in an effort to level the playing field.

I'm hoping this enters the room on Monday in order to force a decision. This will be the beginning of the end for Sam here in Edmonton. Give him the one yr 5.5 kiss of death deal. With the holes in his game, he'll suffer the same fate as 10 and 83.

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#66 DSF
July 19 2013, 09:21PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

In their last ten games, they won 2 games.

Like most NHL players, Gagner is not a one man show.

Hardly a fair argument

Did Gagner's lack of production as an impact player affect that record or does he always get a free pass because the Oilers suck?

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#67 DSF
July 19 2013, 09:24PM
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Terran wrote:

@DSF

"He had 2 second assists in the teams last 10 games

SMALL sample size."

Why yes, yes it is...

Yes it is.

But that was a 10 game stretch where the Oilers could have made the playoffs.

Did Sam step up or disappear?

It's a rhetorical question :)

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#68 Jay
July 19 2013, 09:26PM
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Trade him. If all he cares about is making money get rid of him. We don't need guys like that on our team. MacT was talking about rewarding him and saying how important he is to the team. I'm betting he has been given a more than fair offer, if he doesn't want to be apart of the elite team were building good luck to him

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#69 Taylor Gang
July 19 2013, 09:28PM
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DSF wrote:

Did Gagner's lack of production as an impact player affect that record or does he always get a free pass because the Oilers suck?

Actually, it was an overall team effort.

Nobody got a free pass, but you can't just lump all of the responsibility on Gagner. Gagner's points were a by-product of the Oilers poor play.

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#70 Zarny
July 19 2013, 09:32PM
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The sticking point is reported to be the NTC which makes sense.

Gagner was tied for 34th in league scoring last season. $5M over 5 yr sounds fair.

The problem is Nuge & Gagner are probably the two smallest 1-2 C in the league. The Oil probably have the smallest top 6 F in the league.

Maybe it gets the job done to make the playoffs but think about what Chara would do to them over 7 games. It wouldn't be pretty.

If your need is to get bigger there is logic in trading Nuge or Gagner. If Nuge has the higher offensive upside Gagner seems to be odd man out.

With future cap implications trading a top 6 F over the next 3-4 years seems likely. Eliminating a good, but not great, player from the list could necessitate trading a great player.

I like Sam but in the top 6 F he could be ranked 6th. That's not the player you promise not to trade.

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#71 DSF
July 19 2013, 09:37PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Actually, it was an overall team effort.

Nobody got a free pass, but you can't just lump all of the responsibility on Gagner. Gagner's points were a by-product of the Oilers poor play.

Oh, I don't disagree.

But Gagner did nothing to reverse that situation.

Good players do,

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#72 Zarny
July 19 2013, 09:39PM
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@Jay

Actually the reports are that what Sam cares most about is staying in Edm. He wants a NTC.

The problem is the Oilers need to get bigger; especially in their top 6 F.

And if you have to trade a top 6 F Gagner seems to be a logical choice.

Which means a NTC is problematic.

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#73 Craig1981
July 19 2013, 09:39PM
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Smokey wrote:

Unfortunately I agree with DSF. Stewart is a better player who has better metrics. So is Weiss.

I won't make a habit of agreeing with him ever again.

Even if I did believe Weiss was a better player right now (he had 4 points in 17 games last year), most players best years are between 23-28 (about). Even DSF couldn't argue Gagner in his prime isn't better than Weiss near the end of his career.

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#74 Taylor Gang
July 19 2013, 09:42PM
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DSF wrote:

Oh, I don't disagree.

But Gagner did nothing to reverse that situation.

Good players do,

Only exceptional players can put a team on their back in such a way that they singlehandedly win a game for their team.

Crosby, JT, Ovechkin to name a few.

Gagner doesn't fall under this category of player, but he's still good. Mind you, he isn't worth what he's asking for.

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#75 Terran
July 19 2013, 09:42PM
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DSF wrote:

Yes it is.

But that was a 10 game stretch where the Oilers could have made the playoffs.

Did Sam step up or disappear?

It's a rhetorical question :)

Huh, you should maybe let Gagner know that it was solely on him to carry the team.

Unless, are you saying that we should now get rid of Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yak, and the rest of the team as well? Why didn't any of them carry the team to the playoffs? Why was it Gagner's job to single-handedly hoist the team on his shoulders and carry them across the finish line?

I mean, Gagner only got 3 points in the last 7, (funny how you're saying 2 in the last 10...) so dump him, right? Yak only got 1, so he's gotta go too. Hall and Ebs, only about 5-6 each. Why, that's less than a ppg, so they're obviously garbage. Why, there were games in that stretch where they didn't record a point at all! And these bozos make $6 mil a year?

If you want to talk about small sample sizes, don't take 1/5 of the season-and give erroneous totals to boot-as a representative of the whole. I'm sure if someone brought up the fact that Gagner tied Gretzky's point record for one game, you'd be all over that like a fat kid on cake as not being a true representation because it's such a small sample size.

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#76 Spydyr
July 19 2013, 09:44PM
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They should trade him but they won't .He will be overpaid.He will be the new Horcoff.

A team with Gagner at 2C will never win the the playoffs.Not that that is an issue with the Oilers for seven years and counting.

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#78 Craig1981
July 19 2013, 09:47PM
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DSF wrote:

Oh, I don't disagree.

But Gagner did nothing to reverse that situation.

Good players do,

hummmm 2007-08 season Tampa Bay as last (Vincent Lecavalier and St. Louis we on the team)

2006-07 Flyers were last Jeff Carter and Mike Richards were on that team

2005-06 Pens were one point from last (Sidney Crosby AND Mario Lemieux were on the team)

You maybe want to admit you are wrong on that one?

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#79 Craig1981
July 19 2013, 09:50PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

I'd be willing to bet Gagner outscores Weiss over the next five years, and by a reasonably substantial margin in years 4 and 5.

The only guy willing to take that bet on here, would stiff you when you won, Brownlee

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#80 Spydyr
July 19 2013, 09:52PM
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Why do most people only care about points.A goal prevented is worth as much as a goal scored.

Sammy snowpants, Samboni and Sammy one-way does not prevent many goals.

He does not win puck battles,knock anyone off the puck, hits like a butterfly shoots like a butterfly.Loses body position all over the ice,Does not cover the man in front of his net.Can't win a face off.

He does bring secondary offence.He is not a player that can take control of a game.Had two second assists in the last ten games when it mattered and the opposition started to step up their games.He disappeared.

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#81 They're $hittie
July 19 2013, 09:54PM
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If we are talking over payments why doesnt anyone have a problem with eberle making 6M? He has strong defensive short comings, and his production fell off. Honeymoon with the player I guess.

I love all top 6 oilers forwards but unfortunately eberles contract set the bar for gagners next contract as he outproduce eberle this year with lesser team mates.

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#82 Oil4Life
July 19 2013, 09:55PM
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if you argue numbers and value without reading the attached article. you have little to no basis for your arguement.

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#83 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 19 2013, 09:56PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

hummmm 2007-08 season Tampa Bay as last (Vincent Lecavalier and St. Louis we on the team)

2006-07 Flyers were last Jeff Carter and Mike Richards were on that team

2005-06 Pens were one point from last (Sidney Crosby AND Mario Lemieux were on the team)

You maybe want to admit you are wrong on that one?

Cherry picking. Sam has had 6 seasons in a row with the same similar results.

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#84 Spydyr
July 19 2013, 09:57PM
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Oil4Life wrote:

if you argue numbers and value without reading the attached article. you have little to no basis for your arguement.

I have been watching hockey for over 40 years.Played for over 30.Some of us don't need an article to see a player for what he is.

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#85 They're $hittie
July 19 2013, 09:57PM
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@Spydyr

How is he secondary offense when he was 2nd in points and other than last year has always been in the top on the oilers scoring list.

Until Nuge puts up 60 points consistently oilers need to keep gagner.

How about 2012 when Eberle lead the team in scoring chance for but was worse in scoring chances against\for differential. That must be a pretty bad defensive game. Do you talk about that. No. And Why because he puts up points. And unfortunately he was signed after a career year.

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#86 Spydyr
July 19 2013, 10:03PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

How is he secondary offense when he was 2nd in points and other than last year has always been in the top on the oilers scoring list.

Until Nuge puts up 60 points consistently oilers need to keep gagner.

How about 2012 when Eberle lead the team in scoring chance for but was worse in scoring chances against\for differential. That must be a pretty bad defensive game. Do you talk about that. No. And Why because he puts up points. And unfortunately he was signed after a career year.

What the team needs is a tough gritty two way centre that puts up a few less points then Sam but prevents way more than Sam.

A player that the other team hates to play against.No one fears Sam. He is easy to play against.He is lost without the puck and seldom knocks someone off the puck.

The team has Hall, Nuge, Yak and Ebs to score .Sam does not fit what the team needs.

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#87 thebiggestmanointheworld
July 19 2013, 10:11PM
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Tyler said:

That being said, the point is this: say that Gagner's a 60 pt guy in a second line role with lots of PP time. That's a hell of a hockey player and worth a fair amount of money. I'd expect that he'll be in the black +/- wise provided that they can sort out whatever the hell went wrong this year.

So the point is really, 'we think he's a 60pt guy, we'll give him 2nd line minutes with loads of pp time, that's bound to boost his number eventually. our last coach really screwed his defensive numbers last year, our rookie head coach will turn him around though....I'm sure of it.....'

Sounds about right....

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#88 madjam
July 19 2013, 10:20PM
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Arbitration will give Gagner $4.3 - 4.8 M for one year if it gets there . Probably $4.5 M would be my guess . Oilers will sign him for only one year , and make a decision around trade deadline as to offer him a long term deal or unload him at that time . I think it unwise to give him a big long term contract until he can prove he is worth the arbitration amount first . He shouldn't get Hall and Eberle type money or contract length until he proves his worth , which still is in question here .

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#89 Spydyr
July 19 2013, 10:24PM
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madjam wrote:

Arbitration will give Gagner $4.3 - 4.8 M for one year if it gets there . Probably $4.5 M would be my guess . Oilers will sign him for only one year , and make a decision around trade deadline as to offer him a long term deal or unload him at that time . I think it unwise to give him a big long term contract until he can prove he is worth the arbitration amount first . He shouldn't get Hall and Eberle type money or contract length until he proves his worth , which still is in question here .

He has been here six years.All outside the playoffs.He has proven his worth it is not in question.Should they wait another six years?

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#90 Walter Sobchak
July 19 2013, 11:25PM
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I'm somewhere between Brownlee and DSF, both have very valid points.

I'm torn here, I like Gagner, I don't mind a bit of an overpay, but the question should be, is Gagner at 5M what the Oilers actually need?

The Oilers need a second line centre with skill, size, toughness, and defensive acumen. (Complete two way centre)

Gagner has the desire, the competitiveness, the skill, but he lacks so many critical elements to his game.

I follow Delow a fair bit and his research on faceoffs in the OZ, NZ and the DZ , the correlation to how bad the Oilers get outshot and the scoring chances they create against them.

I admit, I'm not the best at interpreting advanced language, but it seems to me that this is a massive ongoing issue with the Oilers that has to get rectified, if your MacTavish your not trading RNH or Gordon.

If your hoping Gagner advanced numbers get better when history shows he's been fairly consistent where he is at, I think that's a tight rope to walk.

Is Gagner right for the Oilers needs? IMO no.

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#91 Naky
July 19 2013, 11:38PM
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The pink elephant in the room that nobody wants to address can be underlined by this quote:

"The Oilers need a second line centre with skill, size, toughness, and defensive acumen. (Complete two way centre)"

Yes, yes we do and this is not something Sam does. But the pink elephant I mentioned is that nobody is trading this guy away. Name a team in the league right now that wants to trade their second line center that has skill, size, toughness, and defensive acumen. Even cap crunched teams would likely bury a contract in the minors before just giving a player like that away. All teams need this player, and so we're left going full circle again to the fact that we still need a quality second line center that can at least make plays and put up points and while MacT has overloaded on defensemen, he has clearly not realized that we're just as thin at center and completely ignored it. So we're "stuck" with Sam.

So what do we do. Well, we pay him, we give it reasonable term in the form of 4 or 5 years max, and if need be we overpay a little to ensure that there's no contract silliness in the form of NTCs or NMCs that hamper the ability to move him two years down the road for that top flight d-man or center we need if one comes available then. But right now? There just simply aren't any. When our best bet is hoping to outbid every other team in the league for Couturier when Philly inevitably starts their cap crunch fire-sale (assuming they include him in that fire-sale, they really might not), things are not really looking good for us in terms of trade options for what we need.

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#92 Rocket
July 19 2013, 11:44PM
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@ Wes & Naky

^This.You two summed up the situation exactly & therefore win the internet today. Every time someone mentions Gagner it would be wise to refer to these two comments.

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#93 madjam
July 19 2013, 11:50PM
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Spydyr wrote:

He has been here six years.All outside the playoffs.He has proven his worth it is not in question.Should they wait another six years?

Not sure what your insinuation is ? Conventional theory expects players points to max out around 4-6th year . In case of rookies coming in league immediately you normally would expect that level to perhaps rise another/additional 2 years . With that in mind one could perceive Gagner's worth to keep escalating or level off , and frequently start a downward turn . Gagner's first good season was shortened one last year . Considering Pisani , Horcoff and others i'd be reluctant to go long term at this time beyond $4.3M or less . Not sure what you meant by proven his worth ? Are you referring to his last contract at $3.2M , I believe ?

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#94 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 20 2013, 12:53AM
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I'm with team "dark side" on this one....not a Gagner fan.....

My prediction is that MacT will not get shoehorned into a contract that he can't later move.......So the best Gagner can hope to do is 4.5 x 4 or 5 with a limited no trade ( list of 10 teams he will not accept a trade to )......

If Gagner takes it to arbitration....he gets moved......

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#95 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 20 2013, 12:56AM
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To Ottawa or Washington.

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#96 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 20 2013, 01:04AM
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Spydyr wrote:

I have been watching hockey for over 40 years.Played for over 30.Some of us don't need an article to see a player for what he is.

Ditto.

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#97 Oiler63
July 20 2013, 01:06AM
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28 years old Travis Zajac making 5.75 a year with NTC scored 20 points last season. I'm having a hard time seeing why Sam can't make 5.

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#98 oilerman53
July 20 2013, 01:13AM
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I think Gags best years are ahead. He has always been a traditionally slow starter and hasnt had very good linemates in his time here. Almost like a Hemsky if you will, he does have to get better on the downlow cycle but he does try. One thing you can argue is that he has been relatively healthy over the years. His faceoffs will get better with age, as for having a lack of dominant imposing centermen look at Detroit. Zetterberg and Datsyuk do just fine, at this stage of his career Gags will get stronger physically. I say give him a deal and see how he plays with Hall and Ebs, for some reason Nuge would be better served feeding Yak in my estimation.

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#99 Pouzar99
July 20 2013, 01:27AM
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Am I missing something Robin? Your post (35) addressed to me seems to be a response to what DSF said (post 31) about shorting Gagner so they can later pay Yak and J Schultz, not my post (32) which agrees with you that Gagner should get something like $5 mil per for 5 years because they are buying 4 UFA years and if they don't he will get that much or more from another team anyway. With Hemsky and Smyth gone and N. Schultz either gone or on a more realistic contract, plus the cap going up, the space will be there to pay Yak and J Schultz what they deserve IMHO.

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#100 Kodiak
July 20 2013, 01:30AM
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Oiler63 wrote:

28 years old Travis Zajac making 5.75 a year with NTC scored 20 points last season. I'm having a hard time seeing why Sam can't make 5.

There are lots of bad contracts out there. Just because other teams are doing it doesn't mean we should.

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