$AM GAGNER: GONNA GET PAID

Robin Brownlee
July 19 2013 05:10PM

After six NHL seasons of being a loyal and productive company man with the Edmonton Oilers, doing his job and never, that I've heard, uttering so much as a discouraging word about an employer that's been a gong show more often than not during his tenure, Sam Gagner is gonna get paid. And he should.

The only questions about the pending pay day are how much Gagner will get and in what increments he'll get it as he and the Oilers stare down a scheduled arbitration hearing Monday morning – a hearing that'll likely never convene.

If, in the highly unlikely event the hearing does go ahead, or if the sides agree on a one-year pact before the hearing for, say, $4.75 million, then Gagner will become the youngest UFA in NHL history at the end of next season, meaning the Oilers will simply have delayed the day he cashes in, here or elsewhere.

The way I see it, given what GM Craig MacTavish has already said about wanting to lock up Gagner long-term, what makes sense is announcing a new multi-year deal before the hearing, having a nice big group hug as a photo-op and then moving on.

If that's what the Oilers want, as I suspect it is, and they want to buy Gagner's 2013-14 RFA season and, say, four UFA years, then it's going to cost them $25 million, minimum, to do it. My, how that'll make the Gagner haters squirm.

ALL THE FINE PRINT

So, after six seasons toiling for an organization that's been a laughing stock most of the time, and that's missed the playoffs seven straight years, Gagner's in a rare position at the age of just 23. Coming off a one-year contract that paid him $3.2 million, he can negotiate a one-year deal with the Oilers or take one from an arbitrator and then be an UFA going into 2014-15.

The question about what Gagner is worth to the Oilers, and on the open market, has been a topic of hot debate, especially in the last couple of days. I see it one way – my interpretation of the market says it'll take that $5 million per. Others, like Jason Gregor, see it differently.

All kinds of "comparables" have been thrown out in argument of one number or another that fall well outside the relatively narrow scope of comparables in arbitration hearings as defined by the CBA. Some people look only at points. Others argue Gagner's worth based on size or his place in the pecking order in Edmonton – practical issues, but not necessarily issues that matter even a bit in an arbitration hearing or at the bargaining table.

The most comprehensive analysis I've seen on the subject has been done by Tyler Dellow and can be found here. My argument as to Gagner's worth is far less structured and, like that of many fans, much of it falls into the category of not mattering a bit in an arbitration hearing or at the bargaining table, as well.

THE WAY I SEE IT

To repeat my opening sentence, I view Gagner as a loyal and, yes, productive company man who brings exactly the kinds of qualities that MacTavish has said he values. Gagner's a good, not great, player. He's a good teammate. He's a player who cares about the guy next to him and has shown he'll stand up not only for himself, but his teammates as well. He's a good pro.

I've always found Gagner mature beyond his years. When he performs well, he downplays it or shares credit with others. When he stinks, and there's been more than one night when he has, Gagner owns it and makes no excuses. That holds true on the record and off it. Often, those are two different stories.

I haven't seen Gagner bristle once as younger players like Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov have come in with more fanfare and taken over the marquee. Some other veterans have. Not Gagner, who isn't exactly without pedigree as a sixth overall pick.

When I add in some of the intangibles I'm talking about to comparisons I see in the piece Dellow wrote, I don't think it's a stretch to believe that Gagner is a reasonable buy at $1 million less a season than Hall and Eberle just signed for. That means $5 million a season.

Ka-ching. Pay the man.

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#51 Kodiak
July 20 2013, 01:30AM
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Oiler63 wrote:

28 years old Travis Zajac making 5.75 a year with NTC scored 20 points last season. I'm having a hard time seeing why Sam can't make 5.

There are lots of bad contracts out there. Just because other teams are doing it doesn't mean we should.

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#52 Dangilitis
July 20 2013, 02:02AM
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DSF - your ability to juxtapose semi-thoughtful comments with nonsense with a clear anti-Oilers bias is truly incredible (that is not a compliment - sometimes even fools get lucky).

I propose to you that Gagner gets 0.7+ ppg this season, so put your money where your mouth is. If he does it, then you never post on this site or LT's ever again. He doesn't, and I'll support you for every one of your asinine posts for the rest of the decade.

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#53 toprightcorner
July 20 2013, 11:32AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

How come Edmontons "market" is so out of whack with the rest of the league?

Bettman has probably been approached by Edmonton in regards to this matter. Exhibit A, David Clarkson turning down 6 mill per to sign a 5.25 deal. Was the magic number 7 per?

Maybe it's time B markets start pushing Bettman for a Northern Living Allowance type benifit, so to speak.

Not this again , blah, blah, blah.

You should try to get a little bit of positivity in your life, or at least your comments. You may find it a breath of fresh air, I know most of us would.

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#54 toprightcorner
July 20 2013, 02:04PM
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MacT has a much bigger picture to look at over the next couple years. Many other significant contracts to sign and he needs to figure out which ones will help the Oilers more in a couple years when they plan to be competitive and which ones have skill sets that are more easily replaceable.

Nuge next year probably $5.5 if lucky a bridge contract of $4 but not likely. Definite #1C with potential of being top 10 centre's in the league. Not replaceable.

Yak in 2 years probably $5 as he will have one, if not two 30+ goal seasons. Projects to be an elite goal scorer that could approach 40 a year. Not likely replaceable

JSchultz next year hopefully a bridge at $3.75 but after that probably closer to $5. Great offensive skills that can QB any PP. Likely a top 2 dman with the right partner. Possibly replaceable.

IMO Gagner is probably the easiest one to replace his skills. Probably can't replace everything he has to offer with one person but of those that can't are already likely within the team already.

If Gagner is asking for $5.5 then he will probably get $5, possibly $4.75 but unless MacT offers him $5.25 to $5.5 on a term of 4+ years, Gagner will likely try to cash in on FA. If he has another good year, he could easily get $5.5 longter as a UFA with the cap going up, especially being a rare UFA that is just approaching his prime. If he has a poor season, he would probably still get $4 on a 1 year contract and hope to cash in the following year. Gagner is looking to hit a homerun within the next couple years.

I think Gagner will be ranked 5th in our group of forwards in 2 years time and you can't pay $5 for a player of that ranking. Instead of keeping him for only 1 year MacT should try to fill another hole if possible, a top pairing dman would be a great victory as those are not that easy to obtain.

If a centre does not come in return of trading Gagner then there is Grabovski tat can be signed. He is not as good as Gagner but the much lower cap hit would even it out in other areas.

I don't want to see Gagner go but with how the situation looks, it might be the time to make a bold move and reconfigure the dynamics of the team.

Possible options off the top of my head:

Gagner, Petry, Hemsky (retain max cap possible) and pick or prospect to PHX for Yandle, Vermette and Moss. You could then sign Grabovski for under $4 and we would be very strong down the middle, even with Nuge missing some time.

Gagner, Petry, Larsen and Hemsky half cap or 1st round pick for Tyutin, Dubinsky and MacKenzie. CBJ deep on back end and need offensive play makers to play with Gaborik. MacKenzie gives us a good 4C that wins FO and kills penalties, not big but aggressive and hit a lot

Tough decision for MacT but either way it goes it will greatly affect the team for years.

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#56 james_dean
July 19 2013, 05:20PM
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Quittin time. Sam made more $ than me today

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#57 Naky
July 19 2013, 05:23PM
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I don't think anyone would argue that I'd rather have Gagner at 5m per than Hemsky at this point. Here's what I'd do - offer the 5m per, but make sure there's no goofy contract options like NMC and NTCs. Essentially, you pay a little extra for that freedom to move him when and if you want to. How many contracts are there in the league right now that are structured decently in terms of dollars but suck for the teams because the player has an NMC/NTC that seriously hampers how much value or leeway that team has to move them down the road? Quite a few. Maybe it's worth to pay a little more and still have that freedom down the road.

If it's one things I give kudos to the Oilers for, it's for their general unwillingness to throw those things around like candy. See Calgary's mess a little while ago to see just how well that generally goes over in the long run.

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#58 Smokey
July 19 2013, 05:41PM
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I have no concern whether Gagner is signed long term or short term. I think long term the Oilers got to get bigger down the middle to really compete and I see Gagner being a valuable asset for trade. I think too often the Gagner apologist ignore the defensive zone lapses. Frankly its a shame an arbitrator would pay him 5.25 -5.5 based on comparables ignoring the fact he can't win a draw, and is terrible defensively. Frankly just give him his money, and he can either improve defensively or we can trade him.

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#59 Citizen David
July 19 2013, 06:04PM
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Love Gagner, even with the number ones coming in Gagner has always been a strong candidate for favourite Oiler if I had to name one. I would try to lock him up for 8 years at 4.5 or 4.75. If he wants 5 a year then I'd do a 5 x 5. If he wants more than 5... Then we might have to part ways.

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#60 marty62
July 19 2013, 06:12PM
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Pay him now, and get some free agent years, because he is going to put up some good numbers if he plays with Yak and Perron. If you think $5 mill is too much now, wait till you see how much he can get on the free market next year....

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#61 Taylor Gang
July 19 2013, 06:19PM
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I was hoping Gagner would be our "value contract". Every team needs a couple of value contracts to be competitive. Maybe Perron if his game picks up alongside Yak and Gags?

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#62 jake
July 19 2013, 06:34PM
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TayLordBalls wrote:

Feb 2nd, 2012 Gagner scored four times and assisted 4 times to match Wayne Gretzky’s club record for points in a game.

And I don't think he's reached his full stride yet.

Chicago falls into these track meets with the Oilers. I am trying to recall who his wingers were that night.

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#63 Rocket
July 19 2013, 06:37PM
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Talk about a player getting messed up by management from the beginning. They take him to high in the draft, rush him to the NHL, & don't give him a long contract to ensure loyalty (although he seems to like it in Edmonton.)

Also, all the GM, coaching, & player changes he endured. He may or may not be worth 5mil but he should have been signed or traded by now so The Oilers are probably stuck with him for a while.

Regardless of his pay, I wonder how his season will go, especially if he starts as the #1 C?

Will that up his trade value or is that pretty much set at this point?

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#64 Rocket
July 19 2013, 06:38PM
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@jake

I'm pretty sure he played with Hall & Ebs

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#65 Saytalk
July 19 2013, 06:39PM
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The delays in getting the deal done are probably due to whether the contract includes an NTC. $4.5M/year for a 2C that can't backcheck will mean he has to be traded as soon as Nuge and Yak get their extensions.

Do arbitrators look at Corsi?

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#66 playoffbound2013
July 19 2013, 06:52PM
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Gagner is going to get his dollars. At some point we are going to trade another of our young players (mostly due to future salary cap restraints). I think it is important for the oilers to get as much bang for their buck as possible. My thoughts are these, Oilers need to resign their young players in the future, so the less they sign Gags, the better. Also, if they trade Gagner in future, the better the contract, the more attractive terms of the trade. These may seem like obvious points, but the longer the brass stick to their guns the better.

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#67 Elias
July 19 2013, 07:15PM
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I'd trade Sammy Snowpants while the oil has the opportunity.. As soon as possible.

Mr Snowpants will never win a cup, just look how much his former London Knight Patty Kane has done. Much more Than he ever will do. TRADE!!! He's garbage on the dot and is a defensive black hole.

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#68 toprightcorner
July 19 2013, 07:26PM
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@bazmagoo

you're right my bad.

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#69 Pouzar99
July 19 2013, 07:53PM
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It is possible the Oilers can get the multi-year deal they are looking for at a shade under $5 million per, but it will surely be in that range and it would be madness to go to arbitration.

You have to over-pay a bit for FA years, and anything less than five years makes no sense. Being a GM today is more than being a sharp assessor of hockey talent and team chemistry. You also need to understand where the game's economy is going. Given the robust revenues last season it appears the cap is headed straight up, making the Hall and Eberle deals look good and the kind of long-term Gagner deal Robin suggests look smart and fair.

As Robin points out, Gagner is a class act and a team guy, even if there are some flaws in his game. It may turn out that center isn't the best position for him but he is a talented gamer, and lets face it, he has all the leverage. Give him the money and lets move on.

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#70 DSF
July 19 2013, 07:57PM
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Pouzar99 wrote:

It is possible the Oilers can get the multi-year deal they are looking for at a shade under $5 million per, but it will surely be in that range and it would be madness to go to arbitration.

You have to over-pay a bit for FA years, and anything less than five years makes no sense. Being a GM today is more than being a sharp assessor of hockey talent and team chemistry. You also need to understand where the game's economy is going. Given the robust revenues last season it appears the cap is headed straight up, making the Hall and Eberle deals look good and the kind of long-term Gagner deal Robin suggests look smart and fair.

As Robin points out, Gagner is a class act and a team guy, even if there are some flaws in his game. It may turn out that center isn't the best position for him but he is a talented gamer, and lets face it, he has all the leverage. Give him the money and lets move on.

That was pretty much the rationale for signing Horcoff who was just moved for some cannon fodder and a late round pick.

Groundhog day.

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#71 Mjolnir
July 19 2013, 07:58PM
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He could always get pissy over a couple hundred grand. Go to Brooklyn and then trade himself back to town three years after he should have retired.

Just sayin

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#72 DSF
July 19 2013, 08:06PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Or, as has been suggested, MacTavish can play hardball with Gagner, who has put in six seasons in EDM, because a couple of kids, who've played less than one full season each, might be more prolific and want to get paid, too.

Here's a thought: let them be the "value" contracts next time up. Let them wait more than two seasons for the big money, just as Gagner has.

And, if Gagner is being paid $5M + while those "couple of kids" who are outperforming him by a wide margin don't want to be "value contracts", the team is screwed.

Gagner didn't "wait more than two years" to be paid, he's been paid very fairly based on his performance.

If Gagner pulls down $5M and Yakupov outscores him by a wide margin, why should Yakupov take the hit?

Seniority?

Good grief.

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#73 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
July 19 2013, 08:16PM
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OilFanInBC wrote:

I've been reading comments on this site for a while and I can't tell if DSF is an Oiler fan who says what he says because the team has been bad for so long and he's bitter or if he's a troll making comments for attention.

Props for you buddy

P.S. I think he's a 'nucks fan AND a troll

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#74 DSF
July 19 2013, 08:19PM
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OilFanInBC wrote:

I've been reading comments on this site for a while and I can't tell if DSF is an Oiler fan who says what he says because the team has been bad for so long and he's bitter or if he's a troll making comments for attention.

Bitter.

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#75 DSF
July 19 2013, 08:21PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

DSF just shut up.

Gagner has better vision, skill, passing and play making than stewart, so sorry not all metrics. He also plays a harder position on a worse team.

Not comparables.

Please go away and never come back

EDIT: you also lost all credibility when you said Mueller is better than Yakupov

Good grief...vision skill and play making should have results.

Stewart play tougher competition and outscores them.

Gagner gets murdered.

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#76 ed in vancouver
July 19 2013, 08:24PM
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I wouldn't mind if the arbitration goes through. After all, the current negotiation is like Gagner is a pending UFA. So not so different to where they night be next June.

If the Oil have a breakthrough season this year, he may want to stay more than he does now and truly take a home town discount.

Basically I am not sold that Gagner as the 2nd line center will get the oil where they want to go, so buying time with a one year deal may not be a bad move.

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#77 Mjolnir
July 19 2013, 08:28PM
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It would probably solve a lot of headaches if they paid players a percentage of the cap instead of a salary. For example, instead of signing hanger to a 5x5yr deal because the cap might go up, they could sign to a 10% of cap x 5years. Regardless of what the cap does, Sam gets paid fairly. Although hall and end might be forced to trade him if the cap balloons to 300 million a year

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#78 Taylor Gang
July 19 2013, 08:31PM
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DSF wrote:

And, if Gagner is being paid $5M + while those "couple of kids" who are outperforming him by a wide margin don't want to be "value contracts", the team is screwed.

Gagner didn't "wait more than two years" to be paid, he's been paid very fairly based on his performance.

If Gagner pulls down $5M and Yakupov outscores him by a wide margin, why should Yakupov take the hit?

Seniority?

Good grief.

The sad thing is, the Oilers don't have a choice but to overpay for him.

Gagner basically has a vice around mgmt's balls right now; he's our only other competent top 6 centre outside of Nuge in the system. Our centre depth simply can't afford the hit.

Is he worth 5 million? No, 4.5 tops in my opinion. In fact, I agree that this contract will create a serious Domino effect, whether it's dollar or a NMC. But at this point, what choice do we have? Pay the man, if his contract becomes an issue, move him out.

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#79 Smokey
July 19 2013, 08:40PM
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DSF wrote:

Good grief...vision skill and play making should have results.

Stewart play tougher competition and outscores them.

Gagner gets murdered.

Unfortunately I agree with DSF. Stewart is a better player who has better metrics. So is Weiss.

I won't make a habit of agreeing with him ever again.

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#80 Reagan
July 19 2013, 08:45PM
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Funny thing is Gagner is proven and yet Hall and Eberle are making 6 million.. I would naturally say 6 Millions but, and here is the but. Defensively centers are more scrutinized and his defensive numbers are not anything to write home about. Who knows if the offence isn't going to dry up or he takes a major injury. I like what he does for the Oilers but not at 6 Million. Respectively, so far the only one to show any resemblance of 6 Million would be Taylor Hall. For that reason alone, it may be tough to swallow, but Sam may only be worth 4-4.5 million. That may be harsh but the reality is the Oilers jumped into the Hall and Eberle deals a bit premature, but then again the whole Fricking league has gone nuts with contracts. It's time to clamp down on reality a bit and evaluate my 65K+ salary... Like geezus...

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#81 J-Dogg
July 19 2013, 08:45PM
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@DSF

I'm inclined to agree with this. 5 mill+ over 4 or more years and then you're likely hoping on a favorable cap increase to bail you out or praying that you didn't give him a no trade clause and that he's still playing well enough that someone else thinks he's worth the money. Either way we need space for bigger fish coming down the pipeline.

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#82 DSF
July 19 2013, 08:50PM
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Hayek wrote:

2nd line centre who is below average defensively, poor at faceoffs, and poor in the cycle.

If you want to point out positives without acknowledging the negatives, then $5M/season doesn't seem outrageous.

Looking at what Gagner actually brings compared to other NHL players means if he gets paid over $4M/season he likely will not live up to a contract.

If we feel we need to overpay, fine, but we better be confident the contract will be tradeable without having to eat salary in a deal.

RNH needs to be extended this year, Yakupov and Shultz next year. Overpaying for Gagner means that one of these superior players may be forced to be dealt.

Opportunity cost.

This.

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#83 TonyT
July 19 2013, 08:54PM
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@Hayek

Agreed. I think most of us agree, that even with the roster moves made this off-season, this roster is not a playoff team. I strongly believe the Oilers cannot go deep with their current top 6, trade Gagner while he has value.

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#84 DSF
July 19 2013, 08:57PM
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Tyler wrote:

All of the talk about what Yakupov, RNH and JSchultz will want kind of misses the point: they're going to be RFAs when they do their next deal. We'll see if Hall's deal serves as a cap - I'm not so sure it will. If Yakupov scores 40 next year, I'm not convinced he'll take the $6MM deal.

That being said, the point is this: say that Gagner's a 60 pt guy in a second line role with lots of PP time. That's a hell of a hockey player and worth a fair amount of money. I'd expect that he'll be in the black +/- wise provided that they can sort out whatever the hell went wrong this year.

If that's the player he is, anything below $6MM is probably a fair deal, with the possibility of looking like a steal if the cap's at $80MM three years from now.

If that's the player he is.

No evidence to support it.

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#85 RexLibris
July 19 2013, 09:01PM
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I'm in agreement with you Robin.

I'd also add that Gagner has generally shown up for games (with varying levels of effectiveness I'll grant) when there was literally nothing left to play for.

If he'll do that on a deadbeat club in the middle of March, what would he do for the team in the playoffs?

Not to mention, that Movember moustache he can sport at the young age of 23 is something to behold. I'd love to see him go Grizzly Adams on a playoff run.

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#86 DSF
July 19 2013, 09:06PM
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Tyler wrote:

No evidence to support it.

I submit the pro-rated 60 point season he had this year as evidence in support of the point. He did this with horrific possession numbers that were almost certainly linked to goofy tactics.

Pro rating a Gagner season is a fool's paradise.

He had 2 second assists in the teams last 10 games..

SMALL sample size.

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#87 Hayek
July 19 2013, 09:18PM
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I'm okay with Gagner, but afraid people put too much weight on his last season. It was a shortened season in which RNH was injured, and Gagner received more PP time and ice time than he probably can expect to receive in the future.

A positive for him is that he seems to have a hold on 2nd PP time now with no player threatening to steal this ice time.

I don't mean to bash Gagner, because I like him as a player. But liking someone as a player doesn't mean I like him for $5M/season, nor for $4M/season, although I could live with a deal nearer to the latter.

We'll be pretty close to the cap this season, so the cap not increasing in subsequent years would mean deals signed over these past 2 years could have very negative consequences for teams not adjusting appropriately to the cap.

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#88 DSF
July 19 2013, 09:24PM
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Terran wrote:

@DSF

"He had 2 second assists in the teams last 10 games

SMALL sample size."

Why yes, yes it is...

Yes it is.

But that was a 10 game stretch where the Oilers could have made the playoffs.

Did Sam step up or disappear?

It's a rhetorical question :)

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#89 Jay
July 19 2013, 09:26PM
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Trade him. If all he cares about is making money get rid of him. We don't need guys like that on our team. MacT was talking about rewarding him and saying how important he is to the team. I'm betting he has been given a more than fair offer, if he doesn't want to be apart of the elite team were building good luck to him

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#90 Taylor Gang
July 19 2013, 09:28PM
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DSF wrote:

Did Gagner's lack of production as an impact player affect that record or does he always get a free pass because the Oilers suck?

Actually, it was an overall team effort.

Nobody got a free pass, but you can't just lump all of the responsibility on Gagner. Gagner's points were a by-product of the Oilers poor play.

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#91 DSF
July 19 2013, 09:37PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Actually, it was an overall team effort.

Nobody got a free pass, but you can't just lump all of the responsibility on Gagner. Gagner's points were a by-product of the Oilers poor play.

Oh, I don't disagree.

But Gagner did nothing to reverse that situation.

Good players do,

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#92 Zarny
July 19 2013, 09:39PM
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@Jay

Actually the reports are that what Sam cares most about is staying in Edm. He wants a NTC.

The problem is the Oilers need to get bigger; especially in their top 6 F.

And if you have to trade a top 6 F Gagner seems to be a logical choice.

Which means a NTC is problematic.

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#93 Craig1981
July 19 2013, 09:39PM
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Smokey wrote:

Unfortunately I agree with DSF. Stewart is a better player who has better metrics. So is Weiss.

I won't make a habit of agreeing with him ever again.

Even if I did believe Weiss was a better player right now (he had 4 points in 17 games last year), most players best years are between 23-28 (about). Even DSF couldn't argue Gagner in his prime isn't better than Weiss near the end of his career.

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#94 Taylor Gang
July 19 2013, 09:42PM
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DSF wrote:

Oh, I don't disagree.

But Gagner did nothing to reverse that situation.

Good players do,

Only exceptional players can put a team on their back in such a way that they singlehandedly win a game for their team.

Crosby, JT, Ovechkin to name a few.

Gagner doesn't fall under this category of player, but he's still good. Mind you, he isn't worth what he's asking for.

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#95 Spydyr
July 19 2013, 09:44PM
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They should trade him but they won't .He will be overpaid.He will be the new Horcoff.

A team with Gagner at 2C will never win the the playoffs.Not that that is an issue with the Oilers for seven years and counting.

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#96 Spydyr
July 19 2013, 09:52PM
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Why do most people only care about points.A goal prevented is worth as much as a goal scored.

Sammy snowpants, Samboni and Sammy one-way does not prevent many goals.

He does not win puck battles,knock anyone off the puck, hits like a butterfly shoots like a butterfly.Loses body position all over the ice,Does not cover the man in front of his net.Can't win a face off.

He does bring secondary offence.He is not a player that can take control of a game.Had two second assists in the last ten games when it mattered and the opposition started to step up their games.He disappeared.

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#97 They're $hittie
July 19 2013, 09:54PM
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If we are talking over payments why doesnt anyone have a problem with eberle making 6M? He has strong defensive short comings, and his production fell off. Honeymoon with the player I guess.

I love all top 6 oilers forwards but unfortunately eberles contract set the bar for gagners next contract as he outproduce eberle this year with lesser team mates.

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#98 Oil4Life
July 19 2013, 09:55PM
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if you argue numbers and value without reading the attached article. you have little to no basis for your arguement.

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#99 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 19 2013, 09:56PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

hummmm 2007-08 season Tampa Bay as last (Vincent Lecavalier and St. Louis we on the team)

2006-07 Flyers were last Jeff Carter and Mike Richards were on that team

2005-06 Pens were one point from last (Sidney Crosby AND Mario Lemieux were on the team)

You maybe want to admit you are wrong on that one?

Cherry picking. Sam has had 6 seasons in a row with the same similar results.

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#100 They're $hittie
July 19 2013, 09:57PM
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@Spydyr

How is he secondary offense when he was 2nd in points and other than last year has always been in the top on the oilers scoring list.

Until Nuge puts up 60 points consistently oilers need to keep gagner.

How about 2012 when Eberle lead the team in scoring chance for but was worse in scoring chances against\for differential. That must be a pretty bad defensive game. Do you talk about that. No. And Why because he puts up points. And unfortunately he was signed after a career year.

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