$AM GAGNER: GONNA GET PAID

Robin Brownlee
July 19 2013 05:10PM

After six NHL seasons of being a loyal and productive company man with the Edmonton Oilers, doing his job and never, that I've heard, uttering so much as a discouraging word about an employer that's been a gong show more often than not during his tenure, Sam Gagner is gonna get paid. And he should.

The only questions about the pending pay day are how much Gagner will get and in what increments he'll get it as he and the Oilers stare down a scheduled arbitration hearing Monday morning – a hearing that'll likely never convene.

If, in the highly unlikely event the hearing does go ahead, or if the sides agree on a one-year pact before the hearing for, say, $4.75 million, then Gagner will become the youngest UFA in NHL history at the end of next season, meaning the Oilers will simply have delayed the day he cashes in, here or elsewhere.

The way I see it, given what GM Craig MacTavish has already said about wanting to lock up Gagner long-term, what makes sense is announcing a new multi-year deal before the hearing, having a nice big group hug as a photo-op and then moving on.

If that's what the Oilers want, as I suspect it is, and they want to buy Gagner's 2013-14 RFA season and, say, four UFA years, then it's going to cost them $25 million, minimum, to do it. My, how that'll make the Gagner haters squirm.

ALL THE FINE PRINT

So, after six seasons toiling for an organization that's been a laughing stock most of the time, and that's missed the playoffs seven straight years, Gagner's in a rare position at the age of just 23. Coming off a one-year contract that paid him $3.2 million, he can negotiate a one-year deal with the Oilers or take one from an arbitrator and then be an UFA going into 2014-15.

The question about what Gagner is worth to the Oilers, and on the open market, has been a topic of hot debate, especially in the last couple of days. I see it one way – my interpretation of the market says it'll take that $5 million per. Others, like Jason Gregor, see it differently.

All kinds of "comparables" have been thrown out in argument of one number or another that fall well outside the relatively narrow scope of comparables in arbitration hearings as defined by the CBA. Some people look only at points. Others argue Gagner's worth based on size or his place in the pecking order in Edmonton – practical issues, but not necessarily issues that matter even a bit in an arbitration hearing or at the bargaining table.

The most comprehensive analysis I've seen on the subject has been done by Tyler Dellow and can be found here. My argument as to Gagner's worth is far less structured and, like that of many fans, much of it falls into the category of not mattering a bit in an arbitration hearing or at the bargaining table, as well.

THE WAY I SEE IT

To repeat my opening sentence, I view Gagner as a loyal and, yes, productive company man who brings exactly the kinds of qualities that MacTavish has said he values. Gagner's a good, not great, player. He's a good teammate. He's a player who cares about the guy next to him and has shown he'll stand up not only for himself, but his teammates as well. He's a good pro.

I've always found Gagner mature beyond his years. When he performs well, he downplays it or shares credit with others. When he stinks, and there's been more than one night when he has, Gagner owns it and makes no excuses. That holds true on the record and off it. Often, those are two different stories.

I haven't seen Gagner bristle once as younger players like Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Jordan Eberle and Nail Yakupov have come in with more fanfare and taken over the marquee. Some other veterans have. Not Gagner, who isn't exactly without pedigree as a sixth overall pick.

When I add in some of the intangibles I'm talking about to comparisons I see in the piece Dellow wrote, I don't think it's a stretch to believe that Gagner is a reasonable buy at $1 million less a season than Hall and Eberle just signed for. That means $5 million a season.

Ka-ching. Pay the man.

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#101 Spydyr
July 19 2013, 10:03PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

How is he secondary offense when he was 2nd in points and other than last year has always been in the top on the oilers scoring list.

Until Nuge puts up 60 points consistently oilers need to keep gagner.

How about 2012 when Eberle lead the team in scoring chance for but was worse in scoring chances against\for differential. That must be a pretty bad defensive game. Do you talk about that. No. And Why because he puts up points. And unfortunately he was signed after a career year.

What the team needs is a tough gritty two way centre that puts up a few less points then Sam but prevents way more than Sam.

A player that the other team hates to play against.No one fears Sam. He is easy to play against.He is lost without the puck and seldom knocks someone off the puck.

The team has Hall, Nuge, Yak and Ebs to score .Sam does not fit what the team needs.

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#102 thebiggestmanointheworld
July 19 2013, 10:11PM
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Tyler said:

That being said, the point is this: say that Gagner's a 60 pt guy in a second line role with lots of PP time. That's a hell of a hockey player and worth a fair amount of money. I'd expect that he'll be in the black +/- wise provided that they can sort out whatever the hell went wrong this year.

So the point is really, 'we think he's a 60pt guy, we'll give him 2nd line minutes with loads of pp time, that's bound to boost his number eventually. our last coach really screwed his defensive numbers last year, our rookie head coach will turn him around though....I'm sure of it.....'

Sounds about right....

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#103 madjam
July 19 2013, 10:20PM
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Arbitration will give Gagner $4.3 - 4.8 M for one year if it gets there . Probably $4.5 M would be my guess . Oilers will sign him for only one year , and make a decision around trade deadline as to offer him a long term deal or unload him at that time . I think it unwise to give him a big long term contract until he can prove he is worth the arbitration amount first . He shouldn't get Hall and Eberle type money or contract length until he proves his worth , which still is in question here .

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#104 Spydyr
July 19 2013, 10:24PM
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madjam wrote:

Arbitration will give Gagner $4.3 - 4.8 M for one year if it gets there . Probably $4.5 M would be my guess . Oilers will sign him for only one year , and make a decision around trade deadline as to offer him a long term deal or unload him at that time . I think it unwise to give him a big long term contract until he can prove he is worth the arbitration amount first . He shouldn't get Hall and Eberle type money or contract length until he proves his worth , which still is in question here .

He has been here six years.All outside the playoffs.He has proven his worth it is not in question.Should they wait another six years?

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#105 Rocket
July 19 2013, 11:44PM
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@ Wes & Naky

^This.You two summed up the situation exactly & therefore win the internet today. Every time someone mentions Gagner it would be wise to refer to these two comments.

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#106 madjam
July 19 2013, 11:50PM
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Spydyr wrote:

He has been here six years.All outside the playoffs.He has proven his worth it is not in question.Should they wait another six years?

Not sure what your insinuation is ? Conventional theory expects players points to max out around 4-6th year . In case of rookies coming in league immediately you normally would expect that level to perhaps rise another/additional 2 years . With that in mind one could perceive Gagner's worth to keep escalating or level off , and frequently start a downward turn . Gagner's first good season was shortened one last year . Considering Pisani , Horcoff and others i'd be reluctant to go long term at this time beyond $4.3M or less . Not sure what you meant by proven his worth ? Are you referring to his last contract at $3.2M , I believe ?

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#107 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 20 2013, 12:53AM
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I'm with team "dark side" on this one....not a Gagner fan.....

My prediction is that MacT will not get shoehorned into a contract that he can't later move.......So the best Gagner can hope to do is 4.5 x 4 or 5 with a limited no trade ( list of 10 teams he will not accept a trade to )......

If Gagner takes it to arbitration....he gets moved......

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#108 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 20 2013, 01:04AM
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Spydyr wrote:

I have been watching hockey for over 40 years.Played for over 30.Some of us don't need an article to see a player for what he is.

Ditto.

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#109 oilerman53
July 20 2013, 01:13AM
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I think Gags best years are ahead. He has always been a traditionally slow starter and hasnt had very good linemates in his time here. Almost like a Hemsky if you will, he does have to get better on the downlow cycle but he does try. One thing you can argue is that he has been relatively healthy over the years. His faceoffs will get better with age, as for having a lack of dominant imposing centermen look at Detroit. Zetterberg and Datsyuk do just fine, at this stage of his career Gags will get stronger physically. I say give him a deal and see how he plays with Hall and Ebs, for some reason Nuge would be better served feeding Yak in my estimation.

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#110 Pouzar99
July 20 2013, 01:27AM
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Am I missing something Robin? Your post (35) addressed to me seems to be a response to what DSF said (post 31) about shorting Gagner so they can later pay Yak and J Schultz, not my post (32) which agrees with you that Gagner should get something like $5 mil per for 5 years because they are buying 4 UFA years and if they don't he will get that much or more from another team anyway. With Hemsky and Smyth gone and N. Schultz either gone or on a more realistic contract, plus the cap going up, the space will be there to pay Yak and J Schultz what they deserve IMHO.

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#111 JOE
July 20 2013, 02:44AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Cherry picking. Sam has had 6 seasons in a row with the same similar results.

Cherry picking. Tavares in NYI, Duchene in Colarado. The list can go on and on. Your cherry picked list is 6 seasons long.

MMHHHMMM

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#112 nuge2nail
July 20 2013, 02:57AM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

If Gagner gets 5 million than Stewart on the Oilers would get 6.5 million.

Yakupov will get 7, because he will double Gagners totals, Shultz will get 7 million because he will out score Gagner, and Hopkins will ask for 8 because he's going to be a 80 point player while Gagner is simply not.

We have to sign Gagner for 4 x 4.25 or trade him. He's not good enough defensively, or physical enough to earn 5 mil.

This needs to be a bridge contract for Gagner, a chance to earn his next contract on a full season.

Than sign Grabovski to play with Perron and Yakupov.

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#113 Mean machine
July 20 2013, 03:16AM
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As another poster said, giving gagner more now impacts RNH, yak and Schultz deals. I'd much rather lock up the aforementioned three and deal samwise. He's at his peak value and should be moved. Sell high!

Gagner needs to move on much like horcoff and hemsky do. Simple as that. Too used to losing.

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#114 Will
July 20 2013, 04:02AM
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Alright, so you're Gagner's agent, the Oilers top line center is not returning till November. Their third line centre and captain was just traded away, and a free agent was brought in who is arguably fit for the fourth line. Below that, maybe Smyth can play centre for a while, or you can bring up Anton Lander for a few games to start the season.

You're client just had a banner year, in an abbreviated season that saw his point totals rise to second on the entire team. Sure his advanced stats weren't great, he couldn't win face offs, he was small and got musseled off the puck, and got badly out shot, out chanced, and out scored, but none of that matters in an arbitration hearing. Next, he has the chance to be the youngest UFA ever, with consistent point totals in the 40's year after year on a bad team. He has six years of experience and is a centre that can play with skill. Essentially, if it goes to arbitration, you have your client's team by the balls, because there is no one else and everyone knows it. Thus, you not only want 5 mill plus and five years, but you also want a no trade clause to finally put to rest all the rumors and doubt in your client's mind that he is going anywhere, because he really wants to stay here. Something few players want, not to mention, the team wants him to stay here. So why not to and get the most amount of money you can from the team you know you can get it from either this year or next?

Two words: Sean Horcoff.

The guy had an awful contract for what he contributed, and unless Gagner wants to hear day in and day out about how he is an overpaid bum, he should take a 4 mill plus for three or four years and look like a hero instead of being hated by fans anytime he doesn't succeed.

Take the lower contract Sam and avoid what Hocoff went through. If I was Mac T I'd be putting in a call to Horcoff and asking him to speak to Sam to let him know that the extra .5 mil each year isn't worth it when you're already making so much money to play hockey.

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#115 **
July 20 2013, 07:26AM
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I think that with Perron's trade GAgner's point production became expendable in favour of a big two way centreman. Whether such player can be added to the lineup this season remains to be seen, but as far as Oilers needs go, that would be the most pressing I think.

Mac Tavish said he needed a big tops six who didn't even have to be a prolific point scorer. Gagner in six years has not proven to be a capable centerman ( I am referring to faceoffs and defensive play).Including Gagner, the top 6 have 3 players at 5'11, no one over 6'1, and all of them under 200 pounds. When you are stuck in a division with Anaheim, LA, and San Jose, I would think it a priority to add competent size to that top 6.

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#116 Fresh Mess
July 20 2013, 07:33AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

At 30 years old, Weiss is a finished product who has scored .60 PPG in his career playing 17:59 a night on a team that's been far better than the teams Gagner has been on.

Gagner, 23, has played 58 seconds less per game on a team that's been the dregs of the league since he broke in and has scored .62 PPG. He's not all he can be yet.

Now, before you pitch metrics favouring Weiss, explain how you're factoring in the sh!t show the Oilers have been since Gagner was a rookie.

The fact he has been a feature player on the worst team in the league is supposed to weigh in his favour?

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#117 madjam
July 20 2013, 08:11AM
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Oiler63 wrote:

28 years old Travis Zajac making 5.75 a year with NTC scored 20 points last season. I'm having a hard time seeing why Sam can't make 5.

Depends if your reference point is even considered . If I make Subban and Cogliano part of reference points then Gagner would be vastly overpaid already .

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#118 Spydyr
July 20 2013, 08:29AM
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madjam wrote:

Not sure what your insinuation is ? Conventional theory expects players points to max out around 4-6th year . In case of rookies coming in league immediately you normally would expect that level to perhaps rise another/additional 2 years . With that in mind one could perceive Gagner's worth to keep escalating or level off , and frequently start a downward turn . Gagner's first good season was shortened one last year . Considering Pisani , Horcoff and others i'd be reluctant to go long term at this time beyond $4.3M or less . Not sure what you meant by proven his worth ? Are you referring to his last contract at $3.2M , I believe ?

Sorry it took so long to get back to you.

I should have been clearer what I was trying to say is after six years in the NHL Sam is what he is.He is not magically going to get bigger play better defence or win more puck battles.He will however bring scoring.

For me preventing a goal is as important as scoring one..The team has a lot of point producers younger better ones.What the team needs is some size ,grit and toughness in a top two line player.A player no one likes to play against.Sam is not that player.IMO Sam is the logical choice to go.

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#119 15w40
July 20 2013, 08:37AM
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Kodiak wrote:

There are lots of bad contracts out there. Just because other teams are doing it doesn't mean we should.

The big issue is what usually ends up happening is that the contract that was previously labeled as "bad" or an "over pay" has now become the benchmark.

I agree with Strudwick, RNH and Gagner as a 1-2 combination in the behemoth division will not lead to ultimate success. Not a comment that Gagner or RNH aren't good players, just that together they don't likely have the right mix.

Unless you had some hulking wingers to play with one of them - but they don't have that either.

With the wingers that are currently on the team, it looks like you need somebody who is defensively aware and can distribute the puck at centre for both top two lines. He doesn't need to be able to shoot the lights out

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#120 Oiler63
July 20 2013, 09:17AM
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Not saying Zajac's contract is a good one but in negotiations they use existing contracts as benchmark.

On adding size, why do the oilers have to add size? Why do they have to play like Kings or the Bruins? Why can't they just play the way they play the best which is skill, speed and control?

The Penguins tried to match Bruins' nastiness and got burned. The Hawks tried the same but when they found that didn't work they switched back to their own style of hockey. They won the cup being the smaller team. I think it's a trap that when teams play Bruins/Kings, they think they have to play like Bruins/ Kings. That's exactly what teams like the Bruins want. They love to see you walk out of your comfort zone and abandon your own style of hockey. The best way to win hockey games is to stick to your plan and play the way you play the best.

I'm all for adding toughness but toughness doesn't necessarily mean size.

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#121 Spydyr
July 20 2013, 09:23AM
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Oiler63 wrote:

Not saying Zajac's contract is a good one but in negotiations they use existing contracts as benchmark.

On adding size, why do the oilers have to add size? Why do they have to play like Kings or the Bruins? Why can't they just play the way they play the best which is skill, speed and control?

The Penguins tried to match Bruins' nastiness and got burned. The Hawks tried the same but when they found that didn't work they switched back to their own style of hockey. They won the cup being the smaller team. I think it's a trap that when teams play Bruins/Kings, they think they have to play like Bruins/ Kings. That's exactly what teams like the Bruins want. They love to see you walk out of your comfort zone and abandon your own style of hockey. The best way to win hockey games is to stick to your plan and play the way you play the best.

I'm all for adding toughness but toughness doesn't necessarily mean size.

On adding size, why do the oilers have to add size? Why do they have to play like Kings or the Bruins? Why can't they just play the way they play the best which is skill, speed and control?

Answer:

Seven years outside the playoffs.

The playoffs are a battle of attrition.The refs put their whistles away teams have to fight through much tougher checking.Defence matters more in the playoffs it is harder to score goals.The Oilers are the easiest team in the NHL to play against.You may be alright with that.I'm not.

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#122 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 20 2013, 09:28AM
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As per Darren Dreger, Sam Gagner asking for 5.5 on Monday. Hope he gets it, it could force the Oilers to deal him during the coming season.

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#123 15w40
July 20 2013, 09:34AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

As per Darren Dreger, Sam Gagner asking for 5.5 on Monday. Hope he gets it, it could force the Oilers to deal him during the coming season.

IMHO he will get that as a UFA in the next year - especially if the cap limit goes up appreciably.

Oilers have no leverage left, absolutely none. I believe this will go to arbitration and he will get a hair under 5 mil per.

The Oilers will trade him for a middling return.

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#124 Oiler63
July 20 2013, 09:35AM
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@Spydyr

Oilers are the easiest to play against because they are not tough. Is Maechand easy to play against? Is Parise easy to play against? What's their size?

Did you see Toews outmatching Chara in front out Bruins' net? Now that is one heck of a tough guy.

Size would be nice but in the game hockey toughness is what matters more.

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#125 rob
July 20 2013, 09:39AM
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deal sam,his value is high,throw in a prospect and draft pick to get another piece of the puzzle.I like Sam and he has gave evrything to the oilers,i just dont see him being here when this team is a playoff team.

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#126 Spydyr
July 20 2013, 09:57AM
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Oiler63 wrote:

Oilers are the easiest to play against because they are not tough. Is Maechand easy to play against? Is Parise easy to play against? What's their size?

Did you see Toews outmatching Chara in front out Bruins' net? Now that is one heck of a tough guy.

Size would be nice but in the game hockey toughness is what matters more.

Of the players you listed who is comparable on the Oilers?

That's right none.

You are right toughness does matter.So why did they Oilers let Teddy walk and sign Grebeshkov ?

A larger player with the same skill as a smaller player will always win.Especially in the playoffs.

Like she said size does matter.

Four things that win in hockey:

1)Speed 2)skill 3)Size 4) The will to win ,compete level or as you call it toughness.

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#127 rob
July 20 2013, 09:59AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Sounds easy. What buttons on the controller does MacTavish have to tap to make this happen?

I know sounds easy,and mabey there are no deals to be made,but this team needs a different center behind rnh to be competitive.5.5 mill/year is to high when rnh contract is going to need to be signed,along with yak and shultz,mabey there is no trade but would you be comfortable with that money for sam?(what would you think he is worth?)

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#128 6 ring circus
July 20 2013, 10:01AM
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Darren Dregor is reporting Gagner is asking for 5.5 million if that's the case send him on his way.Thats 1st line center money and Gagner is not a top line center.who would you rather have Taveras at 5.5 or Gagner ?

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#129 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 20 2013, 10:13AM
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6 ring circus wrote:

Darren Dregor is reporting Gagner is asking for 5.5 million if that's the case send him on his way.Thats 1st line center money and Gagner is not a top line center.who would you rather have Taveras at 5.5 or Gagner ?

Do you remember what the Oilers qualified Sam at? 3.75 wasn't it? This has proven to be, not that far off the mark at all. Greed has crept into his gameplan, one year too soon it seems.

Credit to Brownlee on this effort. He recognized the devision on this issue, combined it with the hot button money issue, and rubbed it in our faces. lol

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#130 Smokey
July 20 2013, 10:17AM
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Rocket wrote:

Talk about a player getting messed up by management from the beginning. They take him to high in the draft, rush him to the NHL, & don't give him a long contract to ensure loyalty (although he seems to like it in Edmonton.)

Also, all the GM, coaching, & player changes he endured. He may or may not be worth 5mil but he should have been signed or traded by now so The Oilers are probably stuck with him for a while.

Regardless of his pay, I wonder how his season will go, especially if he starts as the #1 C?

Will that up his trade value or is that pretty much set at this point?

Two ways to look at it, take him high in the draft, give him an unreal opportunity to play at 18, and make him earn his term and big contract.

The reality is Gagner is not seen as the elite core in Edmonton. He was to prove it. These mishandling comments are pure bunk. Not all players have to be given a soother.

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#131 Smokey
July 20 2013, 10:25AM
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DSF wrote:

This.

With the cap going up and say you have around 36 mil paid out to your top six, RNH, Hall, Eberle, Yak, Schultz, and arguably Gagner. Thats only 36 of what 70-75 mil in about 2 years. I don't think Gagner hamstrings the Oilers. Anything north of 5.5 x 5 will probably be a virtual NTC though...

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#132 Spydyr
July 20 2013, 10:28AM
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Smokey wrote:

With the cap going up and say you have around 36 mil paid out to your top six, RNH, Hall, Eberle, Yak, Schultz, and arguably Gagner. Thats only 36 of what 70-75 mil in about 2 years. I don't think Gagner hamstrings the Oilers. Anything north of 5.5 x 5 will probably be a virtual NTC though...

TSN is reporting Gagner is asking for 5.5 million.He is a second line player (at best)asking for first line money.That seals it the only logical choice now is a trade.

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#133 Mikey
July 20 2013, 10:29AM
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If the TSN report is true and gagner wants $5.5m. Screw him. Give him his contract and trade him. I was a gagner supporter until I heard that. I was ok with $5m, even tho his defensive game is weak, but that was on the high end. Play him with hall and ebs, get his point totals high, then ship him out with the door slamming behind him.

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#134 rob
July 20 2013, 10:40AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Asking $5.5M doesn't mean getting $5.5 M.

Doesn't matter what I "think" Gagner or anybody else is worth. The market is the market and, given the UFA years the Oilers or another team are going to buy now or a year from now, Gagner is going to get $5M a season.

I will say this, though: I find it amusing in the extreme how polarizing Gagner is.

"I'd take Gagner at $4.5 M, but anything more than that and they should trade him . . . blah, blah." Fiscal responsibility, eh? Who can argue with that? After all, Yak and blah, blah blah will need contracts . . ." It's a nice argument of convenience. Where's the cry for value contracts when some roster fringe player gets $100,000 or $200,000 more than he should? Look at the money wasted on marginal players and flat-out busts in recent years. It adds up. Whatever, lets get tough, let's make a stand with Gagner.

"Gagner's a good player but the Oilers can't succeed with him and RNH as the first two centres. They're too small . . ."

Size is the issue? Size hasn't stopped Gagner from dropping his gloves (and taking a beating or two) when he feels somebody has taken a liberty with him or a teammate. Better to get a player who is six-foot-two and 215 pounds. That's the ticket. How many big guys who play small have been through here in the past six years? I'll take a small guy who plays big over a big guy who plays small any day.

Sam's not a great player. He's a good player. He has shortcomings and attributes not reflected statistically. Don't like Gagner (for whatever reason)? Fine. Everybody has the right to their opinion, but some of the arguments trotted out here to support that opinion (or that he's a great player who can do no wrong) are so contrived, so lame and so full of holes it's laughable.

I agree sam plays with his heart on his sleeve,and my opinion or yours hold no water,while he does make the oilers better at some point something will have to give.we will have to wait and see but you have to give something to get something(and we still need something)so in my opinion are value assets are hall,nuge,yaks,ebs,shultz and ganger,unless you throw in a first round pick or klefbom/nurse,who do you trade to get better,we are all playing armchair gm but I know who I would at least try to move,and with what Mact has done this summer we are heading in the right direction,just this is the BOLD disision he will have to make.opinion or not i will take rnh over ganger anyday of the week.

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#135 Smokey
July 20 2013, 10:49AM
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Mikey wrote:

If the TSN report is true and gagner wants $5.5m. Screw him. Give him his contract and trade him. I was a gagner supporter until I heard that. I was ok with $5m, even tho his defensive game is weak, but that was on the high end. Play him with hall and ebs, get his point totals high, then ship him out with the door slamming behind him.

The player in arbitration always asks more. Heck he could of said 6 mil. If this years comparable player contracts are used, Bozak or Weiss and Riberio, then he will probably get rewarded 4.2-4.9. I am confident the Oilers and Gagner settle in the 5m x 5-6 years. With the cap going up going up to 70 mil maybe higher, that is a reasonable tradable contract.

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#136 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 20 2013, 10:57AM
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How come Edmontons "market" is so out of whack with the rest of the league?

Bettman has probably been approached by Edmonton in regards to this matter. Exhibit A, David Clarkson turning down 6 mill per to sign a 5.25 deal. Was the magic number 7 per?

Maybe it's time B markets start pushing Bettman for a Northern Living Allowance type benifit, so to speak.

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#137 15w40
July 20 2013, 11:14AM
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Was it not the GM that said they needed more "meat" in the line up. If RNH, Hall, Eberle, & Yak r untouchable who do u move?

Gagner is a good player & can play on this team but if you are adding size all in the bottom 6 is that the best use of resources?

We will know in about 48 hrs or less

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#138 Virtual_Xi
July 20 2013, 12:01PM
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don't get me wrong, Gagner plays hard, noone is arguing that. but he sure as hell doesn't play "big". I just can't pay him that kind of money, when a guy like bozak just signed for 4.2 over 5. I'd argue that although the pt/gm are a bit different, they are a similar value. no way anything close to 5.5. I'd be fine with a 4yr 4.5-4.75 ltd ntc if that's the case.

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#139 tony smith
July 20 2013, 12:21PM
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If the argument is that Gagner has not played on good teams, how much of that is owned by a player who was featured on scoring lines for 6 years, but didn't do much scoring? Does the fact that his team did so poorly project to a player who will not be able to contribute to a winner?

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#140 Fresh Mess
July 20 2013, 02:04PM
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@Next up, is Connor McJesus.

"He's found out, the rest of the league see him as a support type as well. If it were up to me, i'd let him walk after the arbitrators decision."

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I don't believe the team can walk away from arbitrator decisions anymore. That is one of the massively stupid things the league caved in on to end the lockout.

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#141 Fresh Mess
July 20 2013, 02:10PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

How come Edmontons "market" is so out of whack with the rest of the league?

Bettman has probably been approached by Edmonton in regards to this matter. Exhibit A, David Clarkson turning down 6 mill per to sign a 5.25 deal. Was the magic number 7 per?

Maybe it's time B markets start pushing Bettman for a Northern Living Allowance type benifit, so to speak.

If you were young, fit, rolling in cash, and had primo tail coming at you from all angles...and if you could choose any city in N. America to live in... would you want to waste the best years of your life in Edmonton?

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#142 nuge2nail
July 20 2013, 02:57PM
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Asking $5.5M doesn't mean getting $5.5 M.

Doesn't matter what I "think" Gagner or anybody else is worth. The market is the market and, given the UFA years the Oilers or another team are going to buy now or a year from now, Gagner is going to get $5M a season.

I will say this, though: I find it amusing in the extreme how polarizing Gagner is.

"I'd take Gagner at $4.5 M, but anything more than that and they should trade him . . . blah, blah." Fiscal responsibility, eh? Who can argue with that? After all, Yak and blah, blah blah will need contracts . . ." It's a nice argument of convenience. Where's the cry for value contracts when some roster fringe player gets $100,000 or $200,000 more than he should? Look at the money wasted on marginal players and flat-out busts in recent years. It adds up. Whatever, lets get tough, let's make a stand with Gagner.

"Gagner's a good player but the Oilers can't succeed with him and RNH as the first two centres. They're too small . . ."

Size is the issue? Size hasn't stopped Gagner from dropping his gloves (and taking a beating or two) when he feels somebody has taken a liberty with him or a teammate. Better to get a player who is six-foot-two and 215 pounds. That's the ticket. How many big guys who play small have been through here in the past six years? I'll take a small guy who plays big over a big guy who plays small any day.

Sam's not a great player. He's a good player. He has shortcomings and attributes not reflected statistically. Don't like Gagner (for whatever reason)? Fine. Everybody has the right to their opinion, but some of the arguments trotted out here to support that opinion (or that he's a great player who can do no wrong) are so contrived, so lame and so full of holes it's laughable.

Oiler Domination To Follow

It's laughable to think Gagner is looking for Tavares money and some "writers" and fans are ok with this.

He should get less money than Chris Stewart and far less than Tavares.

If you can argue otherwise please go ahead.

Stats show Gagner is not near the calibre of those players.

Trade Gagner or he will become public enemy #1 in short Time, he will be the next Horcoff. Not because he is a bad player, just because he is overpaid.

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#143 Tyler
July 20 2013, 05:21PM
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As soon as you say "Sam wants $5.5MM and isn't close to the player John Tavares is" you disqualify yourself from the discussion because you don't understand how the NHL market for talent works.

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#144 nuge2nail
July 20 2013, 05:49PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Argue otherwise? I'm going to argue with somebody who begins their posts with "Oilers domination to follow?"

Gagner will be a $5M player. Doesn't matter if I like it or not. That's how it's going to be. You seem unable or unwilling to make that distinction.

Oiler Domination To Follow

I would prefer it if he was a 5 million dollar man on another team.

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#145 Kevin
July 20 2013, 08:09PM
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are you kidding me ?? WAY OVER PAID- Trade him and get some of our other needs filled. If this team continues to pay big $$ to this group of so called smurfs we will continue to be on the outside looking in. Trade him and try and get a top pairing D or get us a center that can win face offs.

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#146 tony smith
July 21 2013, 07:13AM
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Comrie v2.0

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#148 Leo
July 21 2013, 02:46PM
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@nuge2nail

Please...not Grabovsky. As a habs/oilers fan I tell you...he has ZERO charector. Eakins will not play him.

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July 21 2013, 03:48PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

If you were young, fit, rolling in cash, and had primo tail coming at you from all angles...and if you could choose any city in N. America to live in... would you want to waste the best years of your life in Edmonton?

Entry level players are just looking to become established NHL players anywhere during their ELC yrs. Not a lot of money is made during this ELC/RFA time. For the chosen ones, most of that wealth comes during the last 7-10 yrs in the league. The Oilers are a feeder system, allowing these players to get their start/established until they have the right to call their own shot. Edmonton isn't such a bad place if you're able to live the NHL life, until you're ready to make that jump to an A market team. Where would the Oilers be today if Hall,RNH,Eberle,Yakupov weren't of this mindset/obligated to be here.

Even Robin Brownlee rolled his doublewide down the No.1 to eek out a living here, so Edmonton can't be all that bad.

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#150 Robin Brownlee
July 21 2013, 07:05PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Entry level players are just looking to become established NHL players anywhere during their ELC yrs. Not a lot of money is made during this ELC/RFA time. For the chosen ones, most of that wealth comes during the last 7-10 yrs in the league. The Oilers are a feeder system, allowing these players to get their start/established until they have the right to call their own shot. Edmonton isn't such a bad place if you're able to live the NHL life, until you're ready to make that jump to an A market team. Where would the Oilers be today if Hall,RNH,Eberle,Yakupov weren't of this mindset/obligated to be here.

Even Robin Brownlee rolled his doublewide down the No.1 to eek out a living here, so Edmonton can't be all that bad.

Double-wide with TWO slide-outs, Bub. Wanna come over for a barbecue?

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