THE WAY I SEE IT

Robin Brownlee
July 02 2013 04:29PM

Edmonton Oilers GM Craig MacTavish certainly set himself up for criticism by talking the talk before walking the walk prior to the NHL Entry Draft and free agency, but unless my ears have failed me completely, I heard MacT talk about making bold moves, not stupid moves.

So, while, like others, I do have some questions about his overall performance at the draft on the weekend– specifically, I'm wondering about how it came to be, exactly, that the Oilers used the seventh pick on Darnell Nurse rather than Valeri Nichushkin – I'm not unhappy with what I saw.

I've got no beef with picking Nurse as far as how he projects and what he brings to the table. He's tough, is diligent in his physical training and, from all accounts, is a character kid who interviewed very well. Teams can never have too much of that. My issue, I guess, is it's going to take three or even four years before the Oilers know what they have with him.

There's more risk in Nichushkin, a better chance he'll be a swing-and-a-miss rather than a homerun, but drafting that combination of size and skill would provide exactly what MacTavish's forwards lack. He could provide a bigger bang, and sooner, than Nurse. That, framed by the fact the Oilers haven't made the playoffs since 2006, made Nichushkin the more tempting pick for me.

I'm wondering if he was also the more tempting pick for Stu MacGregor and his scouting staff and if MacT, at some point, overruled his birddogs. When I hear Nichushkin was the guy as often as I did from people in the know, not the guessers, and Nurse gets selected, I wonder.

No conspiracy theory here because MacTavish wouldn’t be the first GM to make the call on a pick regardless of the team's scouting list, especially if two kids are rated neck-and-neck, but I'm wondering if MacT went with his gut and took the safer pick over the big swing – that does fly in the face of his talk about being bold.

SUCKER ALERT

What I want from a GM, MacTavish in particular, after he's talked the talked about being bold, is that he puts himself in the middle of the mix on the draft floor instead of waiting around for his phone to ring like a wallflower. That he identifies the players he wants or needs, decides what he's willing to give up to get them and then starts pitching.

MacTavish, it was plain to see to anybody paying attention, certainly did that in his pursuit of Braydon Coburn in multiple conversations with Philadelphia GM Paul Holmgren. Homer, if reports are to be believed, put an unreasonable price tag on Coburn, so MacTavish, wisely, I say, said "no thanks."

Like MacTavish said, no deal is better than a stupid deal. If you've actually got a problem with that line of thinking – "But MacT promised he'd make a big deal at the draft" (no, he didn't) – I suggest you think again.

Trades, at least those that don’t involve one of the parties involved grabbing their ankles, are difficult to make, as MacTavish alluded to on the weekend after failing to make the splash many anticipated. Sucker deals? There's always one on the table and, more often than not, they are offered up to rookie GMs like MacTavish.

As 630 CHED analyst Bob Stauffer has already suggested, don't be a bit surprised if MacTavish and Holmgren continue talking about Coburn. I'd be stunned if they don't.

THIS AND THAT . . .

. . . Funny business, the NHL game. Everybody with a functioning brain stem knows the Oilers need more nastiness and grit on their back end, yet today the Oilers walked away from a bunch of it by not qualifying Colten Teubert, Theo Peckham and Alex Plante (as well as Philip Cornet).

The problem with the three D-men who didn't get QO'd, of course, is that while they bring qualities the Oilers lack, none of them has proven they can play regular minutes at the NHL level and, as always, there are always a raft of younger prospects on the way.

We know what went wrong with Peckham. When his window of opportunity swing open, he showed up fat and couldn’t fit through it. Plante has tons of jam but foot speed and concussions are an issue. Teubert? I'd really like to find out what went wrong there. Seems a bit early to turn the page on him.

. . . People here know I really like pending UFA David Clarkson and think he's be a perfect fit here because he brings leadership, toughness and pretty good skill to the dance, but heaven help the Oilers if they even think of offering the kind of money, more than $6 million a season, we heard about today. Clarkson might get that kind of cake from somebody, but it shouldn’t be the Oilers.

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#51 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 02 2013, 06:43PM
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No doubt, MacKinnon, Barkov and Nichushkin will be welcomed additions to the western conference. Mason and Thomas will make a solid tandem in Philly.

[Darn Oiler Koolaid, please omit Barkov from that list and add Seth Jones]

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#52 Citizen David
July 02 2013, 06:46PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Best case is not a projection it's, well, best case. You will not find consensus on this glowing report by ISS. I'm sure you looked.

One other thing: if all the ifs with Nurse prove your point because he has a lot of tools and might turn out to be very good, how is it that having all the tools don't matter when it comes to citing Nichushkin as a top-end player?

The same could be said about Nichushkin. The reason is because Nichuskin has played few games with little ice time and little results. Nurse played a full season which shows more proof.

The top four in the draft were a concensus. After that Carolina though Lindholm was better, Calgary thought Monahan was better, Edmonton thought Nurse was better, Buffalo thought Ristolainen was better and Vancouver thought Horvat was better. Trust the scouts I guess. Time will tell. I will not be surprised one bit if Nichushkin is a disappointment.

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#53 Spydyr
July 02 2013, 06:58PM
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Reality check:

Mac-T promised the stars and the moon when he got the GM job.

Every other GM listened.Now Mac-T is wishing he keep his big mouth shut.

No high end free agent wants to come to the Oilers until they show signs of actually making the playoff.Seven years out is a long time.It will take a massive over payment to sign a high end free agent.

The Oilers trading options Horcoff Hemsky and the any other Oiler outside the kids do not have much value.Who wants a losing teams throw aways.

It is a long way back Mac-T has to make the right deals.It will take years yet to be a contender and that is if Mac-T makes very few errors.

Rant over.

Tim Thomas said he liked the kids in Phili.Bet he likes them even more now with Vinnie there and he will have something to prove.

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#54 justDOit
July 02 2013, 07:04PM
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MacT made some bold statements that haven't come to pass (yet?), but I think what really ramped up the expectations of the grass roots was the reports of several Oiler trades that were going to be announced after the SCFs. Pure birdcage liner stuff, that.

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#55 Smythyyy
July 02 2013, 07:05PM
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gr8one wrote:

I'd guess Couturier would be the least expendable, making less than $1.5m, young, good couple of seasons already under his belt, big body, tons of untapped offensive potential and great draft pedigree.

My guess would be, at least as far as forwards go that Hartnell and B.Schenn could be possible to be shipped out.

Philly's cap situation really isn't as bad as it looks at first glance though, if they can sign a goalie for around $3m-ish and because Pronger's cap hit won't count because he's on LTIR they really don't HAVE to trade anyone.

Counting Lecavalier's contract and even if you subtracted Pronger's salary out of it, they only have about $4.5M to sign a decent goalie, a couple of forwards, a top 4 D (if Pronger is not playing)... so they still need to shed a contract or two methinks. Also remember that the opportunity for the amnesty buy out ends next year, so they should pray that Pronger gets out of LTIR for them to buy him out; otherwise that's $5M committed until 2017 with Giroux, Schenn, Read, and Couturier all FAs in 2014 all expecting hefty raises (not to mention Timonen also a UFA, so they'll need another top D). Even with the cap going up to $70M in 2014; I think they're in a crunch to stay under. They'll have to solve their cap problems sooner than later.

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#56 nuge2nail
July 02 2013, 07:11PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

Philly signs Lecav. Now they have a trade asset in Couturier to shore up the defense.

That's how that works, Toronto did the same with their defense now they have depth to trade with.

I wish oilers made moves like this.

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#57 Spydyr
July 02 2013, 07:13PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Philly signs Lecav. Now they have a trade asset in Couturier to shore up the defense.

That's how that works, Toronto did the same with their defense now they have depth to trade with.

I wish oilers made moves like this.

Vinnie wanted to go to a contender and stay in the east.Two things the Oilers are not.Hard to make that deal.

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#58 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
July 02 2013, 07:27PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Philly signs Lecav. Now they have a trade asset in Couturier to shore up the defense.

That's how that works, Toronto did the same with their defense now they have depth to trade with.

I wish oilers made moves like this.

It's much easier to build a foundation like Philly has when players are climbing over each other to play there. Philadelphia is a top 5 market in this league. Edmonton is, well, bottom 3. Only way players will come to Edmonton, is if they were a competitive team.

If Holmgren was the Oilers GM, we'd still have the same results. Lol, Holmgren has the most intimidating "stare" in the game, even to this day. Has to trump that Messier stare by a country mile.

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#59 Rusty Patenaude
July 02 2013, 07:27PM
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Nichushkin has tremendous skills and his potential is very attractive. I definitely pictured him playing with Yak and Gags on the second line. I wanted to hear MacTavish say his name when he was at the podium. That he didn't speaks volume in my opinion. Sure Nichushkin has the skills to be an NHL superstar. And the Oilers could set him up with great linemates. He is exactly the big bodied/high skilled player that the Oilers are missing. But is Nichushkin ever going to reach his potential? Does a guy who doesn't bother training for the Draft Combine have the work ethic to reach his potential? I didn't have the opportunity to interview him...is he a selfish kind of guy? How is he likely to respond when things get tough as they will? It seems to me that MacTavish was unsure of Nichushkin.

On the other hand there is Darnell Nurse. Work ethic is textbook. Modest, easy to talk to, bright, approachable...guaranteed good impact on the room. And he has huge upside in a position of need. The only real issue is his offensive upside and the signs are clearly pointed up.

As I look at it now, I think Nurse and Nichuskin both have high ceilings, but Nurse is far more likely to reach his potential. I am fine with going with Nurse he is a safe pick who could become a superstar. Nichuskin was too big a gamble when Nurse was available.

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#60 WhattaMike
July 02 2013, 07:31PM
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@Smythyyy

Yes... when ya told... gr9one...that right now for a moment Philly is under the cap but...ya didnt say that they are at 24 players now and they have not even re-signed Simon Gagne or RFA Defenceman kid Erik Gustafsson, etc...

I agree with ya Robin that Homer from Philly was very likely asking way too much in return for Coburn...at the draft.

And it is now getting stupid with a guy like Bozak thinking he is worth an almost n$49 mil deal at 8 yrs, or Letang at $7.25 mil per yr at 8 yrs, etc.

Whats next...Peckham getting signed elsewhere for about $4 mil per yr??????

I agree that MacT has to get going here and right now in order to make very good changes to this team...but...if the players are way out of line with what they are seeking then grow from the kids.

Trade for kids and let them grow under Eakins and Acton...never mind these greedy vets and declining players....

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#61 WhattaMike
July 02 2013, 07:33PM
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OOOPs...I hit the wrong keys..lol...about Bozak wanting so much money...it should have said almost $40 mil not $49 mil...sorry

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#63 Spydyr
July 02 2013, 07:38PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Absolutely fair comment.

Nurse is safer and his top-end is hardly modest. Even if Nurse never becomes more than a second-pairing shutdown guy who brings it and is tough to play against, that's a good pick. He could be more than that.

Nichushkin strikes me as all or nothing. Better chance of higher top-end, better chance we won't even remember his name in 10 years.

I agree Robin with "Better chance of higher top-end, better chance we won't even remember his name in 10 years."

Seven years outside the playoff it is time to take some chances on a home run.Make a bold move.

Nurse is three years away unless the Oilers rush him and that is a very real possibility.

It will be fun watching both players develop over time.

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#64 unknown
July 02 2013, 07:40PM
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peckham could have made it.

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#66 WhattaMike
July 02 2013, 07:46PM
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I...for one am actually very happy to see the Oilers take Nurse over Nichushkin...

Both have great potential and skill....but I believe Nurse wants it more period... he has that extra drive and gear to become one of the top defenders in the NHL just like he pushed to be second best behind Jones... and who knows...he might end up better than Seth Jones in the end.

Nichushkin does not show me that type drive or attitrude like Nurse does...

I truly wanted the Oilers to get a coveted centre but Nurse is now the future leader for the Oilers...if all goes well.. along with J. Schultz, Klefbom, Marancin, Petry, and maybe one to two of Gernat, Musil, Davidson, Simpson...

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#67 Bucknuck
July 02 2013, 07:47PM
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i wonder if there is any chance of Yandle coming to Edmonton after the dust settles over this vote in Phoenix tonight. If you are going to throw the farm at a team to get someone, he would be my target. Cobourn I like a LOT, but not as much as Yandle.

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#68 Racki
July 02 2013, 07:48PM
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I'm going to go out on a crazy limb and predict that Darnell Nurse becomes the next Ryan Suter and Seth Jones becomes the next Cam Barker... in 5 years I'll revisit this post and laugh at myself, or bring it up repeatedly to everyone, Don Cherry style, like I'm the greatest prospect savant that ever lived!

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#69 Racki
July 02 2013, 07:49PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

i wonder if there is any chance of Yandle coming to Edmonton after the dust settles over this vote in Phoenix tonight. If you are going to throw the farm at a team to get someone, he would be my target. Cobourn I like a LOT, but not as much as Yandle.

I like where your head is at. I'm not sure how easy it would be to get Yandle, but there should be multiple options for trade for a top blueliner pairing.

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#70 DSF
July 02 2013, 07:49PM
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Racki wrote:

I'm going to go out on a crazy limb and predict that Darnell Nurse becomes the next Ryan Suter and Seth Jones becomes the next Cam Barker... in 5 years I'll revisit this post and laugh at myself, or bring it up repeatedly to everyone, Don Cherry style, like I'm the greatest prospect savant that ever lived!

Can I laugh at you right now?

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#71 WhattaMike
July 02 2013, 07:54PM
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@Racki...that there is bold...lol...but ya know what??? I just kind of wrote the same possibility.

BTW...I think one of Couturier or Brayden Schenn may be available but mofre likely it will be Talbot... If ya can't getr one of the kids in a decent deal...I would like him for 3rd line centre duty for the Oilers myself.

also...Hey Robin ... are ya going to see a lot of the Development camp on ice drills this week?

Robin,... what do you think of Winger John McCarron from the U.S??? His stats show some good things like toughness and offence to me

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#72 DSF
July 02 2013, 07:58PM
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Racki wrote:

I like where your head is at. I'm not sure how easy it would be to get Yandle, but there should be multiple options for trade for a top blueliner pairing.

Phoenix is barely over the cap floor.

I would think they will only trade Yandle for high end offence.

Who would you suggest?

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#74 Racki
July 02 2013, 08:01PM
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WhattaMike wrote:

@Racki...that there is bold...lol...but ya know what??? I just kind of wrote the same possibility.

BTW...I think one of Couturier or Brayden Schenn may be available but mofre likely it will be Talbot... If ya can't getr one of the kids in a decent deal...I would like him for 3rd line centre duty for the Oilers myself.

also...Hey Robin ... are ya going to see a lot of the Development camp on ice drills this week?

Robin,... what do you think of Winger John McCarron from the U.S??? His stats show some good things like toughness and offence to me

I would definitely be content with Talbot as 3rd line center. Tambo almost traded for him near the end of the year (before he broke his leg), and that would have been one of few good moves on his part.

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#75 Clyde Frog
July 02 2013, 08:05PM
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DSF wrote:

Can I laugh at you right now?

Wait, are you going to "book" that laugh?

Before you do, tell us again how Barker was a great addition to the 'nucks again! I also love your take on Minnie's domination that was "booked" for last season!

Definitely no cap problems there...

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#76 Spydyr
July 02 2013, 08:09PM
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Know what is the kicker?

If the Oilers had lost the last two games they would have Jones right now.

Sad but true.

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#78 WhattaMike
July 02 2013, 08:13PM
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@Racki...I shudder to think what Tambo would have given Philly last yr for Talbot..if his injuury did not happen..

But he does have two to three yrs left at what...$1.75 mil which is an excellent salary for the 3rd line option.

I also like what "Bucknuck" wrote of Yandle even though he would cost a bit to get... This guy coiuld easily lead the Oiler defence kids coming in for the next two to three yrs easy.

While still needing a top 2nd line left winger and a couple of wingers on the bottom six... I would be very very happy though to see MacT and the Oil ... get Talbot for 3rd line centre in a fair trade with Philly and then UFA player Boyd Gordon for the 4th line... along with Khudobin as UFA signing...

Well...here's wishful thinking on my behalf...

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#79 Spydyr
July 02 2013, 08:14PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Kicker? So, you were down for even more losing after the previous six years?

Two loses in meaningless games at the end of another disappointing season for a decade of Seth Jones.Yes please.

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#80 Racki
July 02 2013, 08:15PM
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DSF wrote:

Phoenix is barely over the cap floor.

I would think they will only trade Yandle for high end offence.

Who would you suggest?

Yandle to me isn't worth "high end" offense. If that's what Phoenix wants, then the Oilers need to look elsewhere

. Meaning, there is no way I'd move one of the Oilers' big 4 for a guy like Yandle.. there are others I'd move an Eberle or Yakupov for.. but not Yandle. Great offensive D.. not "complete" enough for me to move one of the top 4 Oilers forwards.

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#81 DSF
July 02 2013, 08:18PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Wait, are you going to "book" that laugh?

Before you do, tell us again how Barker was a great addition to the 'nucks again! I also love your take on Minnie's domination that was "booked" for last season!

Definitely no cap problems there...

Barker was cannon fodder.

The Canucks paid him $700K as an insurance policy.

The Oilers paid him $2.5 million to be a top 4 defenseman.

Who looks stupid?

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#82 Racki
July 02 2013, 08:19PM
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Child's play, making Tambo look stupid.

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#83 DSF
July 02 2013, 08:20PM
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Racki wrote:

Yandle to me isn't worth "high end" offense. If that's what Phoenix wants, then the Oilers need to look elsewhere

. Meaning, there is no way I'd move one of the Oilers' big 4 for a guy like Yandle.. there are others I'd move an Eberle or Yakupov for.. but not Yandle. Great offensive D.. not "complete" enough for me to move one of the top 4 Oilers forwards.

Then they will have to do that.

The Oilers don't have anything else the Coyotes need.

Nothing.

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#84 The Other Ron Burgundy
July 02 2013, 08:20PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

For those who care (and don't), NewAgeSys has left the building and won't be back in the forseeable future.

Disagree with any writer here, including me, if you have a different take on what is written, but argue the points made and leave out personal attacks.

That, no matter what else you have to offer, gets you gone.

Dang, I don't see the post that got him banned. Was it over or under 1000 words? And what is ON going to do with all those extra letters now that aren't going to get used up by NAS?

Semi-on-point to the original post, I like the Nurse pick. Was disappointed at first but he's not like anyone else in the system. Nichuskin, other than size, is exactly like lots of what we have in the system - if he develops. If he doesn't, hes still exactly like lots of what we have in the system, but in a bad way.

And not on point at all, but does anyone else find it interesting that we are now getting sons and nephews (sometimes all in one guy!) from other sports in hockey? Pretty cool I say, and dare I say a testament to Buttman's efforts to grow the game. I will still punch him in the face if I ever see him just on principle, but if my dad is a pro B-Ball or football player I'm likely using the advantages that gives me and going that route. Unless I get exposed to the awesomeness of hockey that is.

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#85 Racki
July 02 2013, 08:21PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Know what is the kicker?

If the Oilers had lost the last two games they would have Jones right now.

Sad but true.

Until we see these guys in NHL action, I wouldn't be sad about it at all. And after watching the Oilers stink it up and collect 4 consecutive #1's, I was happy to see them climb the standings a bit, albeit a small amount.

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#86 WhattaMike
July 02 2013, 08:24PM
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@Spydyr

Hey bud....Jones was not even looked at to be dropping down 4th overall and therefore the Oilers would have gotten one of the other three instead...

I know I know that MacKinnon, Drouin or Barkov are awesome prospects too

But so what? You say two meaningless games for the Oilers but... wasn't one of them for fetting into the playoffs for Minnesota(6-1 W)????

To me...ya dont quit ever.. and two wins with 13 goals looked really good to me for next yr under a better coaching system

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#87 Racki
July 02 2013, 08:24PM
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DSF wrote:

Then they will have to do that.

The Oilers don't have anything else the Coyotes need.

Nothing.

Hey, the Canucks traded Schneider for peanuts (and outcast their other "starter" long ago), so you just never know when a stupid GM might move a guy for less than 100 cents on the dollar.

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#88 Lochenzo
July 02 2013, 08:25PM
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MacT has all summer to prove himself. I think that the transactions around the league today actually gives us more options that do not represent a crazy overpay to acquire assets.

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#89 DSF
July 02 2013, 08:28PM
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Racki wrote:

Hey, the Canucks traded Schneider for peanuts (and outcast their other "starter" long ago), so you just never know when a stupid GM might move a guy for less than 100 cents on the dollar.

Nonsense.

Listened to an interview with Dale Hunter, Horvat's coach in London today.

He's convinced Horvat will be the next Patrice Bergeron.

Hunter knows WAY MORE about hockey than you do.

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#90 WhattaMike
July 02 2013, 08:28PM
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@the Other Ron Burgundy

I think the very rude statement was listed at #64 by now named "Unknown". Very stupid rude and personal attack.. I agree with Robin and say thanks to ban that type stuff and person ...

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#91 Racki
July 02 2013, 08:34PM
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DSF wrote:

Nonsense.

Listened to an interview with Dale Hunter, Horvat's coach in London today.

He's convinced Horvat will be the next Patrice Bergeron.

Hunter knows WAY MORE about hockey than you do.

Oh right, I forgot that anyone that Vancouver drafts has an instant comparable to top NHLers, but anyone the Oilers draft is a dud. Cam Barker was also Jay Bouwmeester. The only thing separating you from the Kool-aid drinkers here is that Vancouver is handing out your drinks.

Can I laugh at you now?

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#92 Clyde Frog
July 02 2013, 08:37PM
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DSF wrote:

Barker was cannon fodder.

The Canucks paid him $700K as an insurance policy.

The Oilers paid him $2.5 million to be a top 4 defenseman.

Who looks stupid?

The one who signed him last... Oh wait that was the 'Nucks...

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#93 Lochenzo
July 02 2013, 08:43PM
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I'm sure Horvat will be a fine player. But the Canucks could have had Nichushkin, Zykov and a top prospect rather than just Horvat. Canuckleheads indeed.

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#94 DSF
July 02 2013, 08:43PM
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Racki wrote:

Oh right, I forgot that anyone that Vancouver drafts has an instant comparable to top NHLers, but anyone the Oilers draft is a dud. Cam Barker was also Jay Bouwmeester. The only thing separating you from the Kool-aid drinkers here is that Vancouver is handing out your drinks.

Can I laugh at you now?

Sure.

Just make sure you wipe the Kool Aid off your chin.

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#95 Racki
July 02 2013, 08:45PM
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DSF wrote:

Sure.

Just make sure you wipe the Kool Aid off your chin.

I'm going to take that as you rolling over and conceding to the truth I presented above ;)

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#96 oilabroad
July 02 2013, 08:46PM
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This might be off topic and 'feeding the troll' as it were, but the way Gillis handled the whole 2 headed monster was some of the worst management I have seen in a long while, in fact I would say it was an embarrassment to the whole Canucks org as a whole (and that is saying something)...

while I agree that Nich would have been my choice, I dont think Nurse is a bad choice. After all, who had a bigger part in our 2006 run, Gator or Samsonov??? We need to build character on this club, and sometimes character is not defined by stats and highlights...

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#97 Jerod
July 02 2013, 08:54PM
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Gillis said he was not offered a first a second and a prospect for Schneider

He said that is not true the best offer was NJ.

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#98 K_Mart
July 02 2013, 08:56PM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

Kicker? So, you were down for even more losing after the previous six years?

Come on Brownlee, there's a difference between 'being down for more losing' and dropping 4 points to get a probable #1 d man.

Nobody wants to see the Oilers lose more, but if at the end of the season you were asked:"Would you trade 4 pts in the standings for Seth Jones?". Most oilers fans would have said yes.

Long story short... You knew what he meant.

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#99 Racki
July 02 2013, 08:57PM
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Jerod wrote:

Gillis said he was not offered a first a second and a prospect for Schneider

He said that is not true the best offer was NJ.

The rumor though was that Gillis was ASKING for that. The Oilers did not offer that. This is per Darren Dreger and/or Elliot Friedman.. or one of those types.

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#100 DSF
July 02 2013, 08:58PM
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Racki wrote:

I'm going to take that as you rolling over and conceding to the truth I presented above ;)

Take it any way you want.

Your "truth" is about as specious as it comes.

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