FINDING THE NUMBER

Lowetide
July 21 2013 09:52AM

Making a case for Sam Gagner at $5M a year isn't hard to do, but for the Oilers it's more difficult to find a way to include him in their future at that number. Well beyond $5M? Almost impossible.

GAGNER HAS REAL VALUE TO EDMONTON

The case for Gagner making 5 large has been made ably at ON in recent days:

  • Robin Brownlee: "I don't think it's a stretch to believe that Gagner is a reasonable buy at $1 million less a season than Hall and Eberle just signed for. That means $5 million a season.Ka-ching. Pay the man."
  • Jonathan Willis: "My view is that I’d be comfortable signing Gagner at five million per season over five years, but that I’d be calling Grabovski’s agent just in case."

I'd also draw your attention to Tyler Dellow's summary of the situation (here) and his conclusion "deferring this issue by letting the arbitrator deal with it doesn’t seem likely to me to produce a better result. Make a longer term bet on him now seems like a reasonably smart bet to make to me."

BRIDGING THE GAP

The Oilers have five 'impact' players who could reasonably be regarded as having superior futures to Gagner: they are Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Nail Yakupov, Jordan Eberle and Justin Schultz. Hall and Eberle are signed long term for $6M per year, and that's probably the organizational 'outer marker' for contracts.

Assuming that the club signs Nuge and J Scultz long term for $5M+ (or near) in the next 12 months, and have Gagner come in around $5M as well, the Oilers will be looking at about $27-29M for their five best players when the Yakupov contract comes up for review. This assumes the Nuge is willing to sign for less than $6M, and that my friends is a large assumption.

The cap will go up next year, and if it hits $70M plus then the pressures will be eased; however, signing Sam Gagner long term with a no trade mean Craig MacTavish could box himself in if:

  • he signs Gagner to a multi-year deal with a no trade clause for the free agent years
  • the cap goes up, but does not sky rocket
  • Gagner performs below his established level

These are legit concerns, and things MacT must measure as he readies to sign Sam Gagner.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

I think the Oilers call in forensics on this, pore over the numbers, and deliver a long term contract shy of $5.25M per year. Sam Gagner has been consistent and is entering his prime. Buying an uptick in performance is a good bet.

We wait.

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#1 They're $hittie
July 21 2013, 11:14AM
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@Mr common sense

accuracy? Gagner wins or finishes second every year at the oilers skill competition. Has only lost to Tom Gilbert

Finesse? Highlight ability? Gagners Shoot outs clearly have finesse. 8 point night!

PP Specialist? Lead the oilers in PP/60 by a wide margin

PK specialist? Lead the oilers in corsi rel and pk points last year. Was only on the ice for 3 goals against. Maybe not a specialist but one of the oilers best.

Hocky IQ? You have nothing to measure this but I think the majority of the hockey community disagrees with you.

Passing? Are you on crack, he is the best passer on the oilers. While Nuge's vision may make you believe nuge is better gagner is the more accurate passer.

He is an elite passer, he has elite finesse, and he is good to great at everything else I listed.

Put me in a room for arbitration with you. I will convince them to cut your hands off so you are not able to type something so stupid again.

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#2 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 10:39AM
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Spydyr wrote:

The number that fits for me is another GM'S phone number. He is not the right fit here. Too many similar younger and better players filling his role. He is a second line player looking for first line money. Between him and Hemsky a forecasted amount over 10 million Per. Ouch.

In what world is $5 million/year first line centre money?

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#3 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 11:05AM
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Death Metal Nightmare wrote:

mistake signing at 5m+

NOT consistent. a third wheel on lines because he isnt good enough to generate offense without better linemates (aka he's a vulture. someone else does the killing - he picks the scraps). he's had pretty large droughts in MULTIPLE seasons. horrendous in the faceoff dot. pretty poor defensively.

sometimes i think the off-season just gives people amnesia and "on-paper" dreams WAY too hard.

a 5 million hit for 40-50 points ("Well he prorated" - he didnt do it. prorating means crap and you all know it.) from a player with a primary finesse skill set that is deficient in all the rest of his responsibilities as a center is poor judgement.

seal the fate of the "rebuild" Oilers to the early 2000's Ottawa Senators where they had a zillion high level talents on a team and did nothing with it.

2007-08 0.62 ppg
2008-09 0.53 ppg
2009-10 0.60 ppg
2010-11 0.61 ppg
2011-12 0.62 ppg
2012-13 0.79 ppg

What exactly is your definition of consistent?

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#4 StHenriOilBomb
July 21 2013, 11:26AM
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Spydyr wrote:

I looked up one team on cap geek. Just for fun I took the champs. This is what some of their top players will make next season:

Bergeron, Patrice $5,000,000 Marchand, Brad $4,500,000 Eriksson, Loui $4,250,000 Savard, Marc $4,027,143

So he is asking first line money.

many lunacies of this post have already been highlighted, but I am curious:

Why did you chose the Eastern Conference champs instead of the "Champs", as you put it? Is it because the champs have 4 forwards and 2 dmen making over 5mil, some on back-diving contracts?

It's nice picking cherries, eh?

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#6 Robin Brownlee
July 21 2013, 10:43AM
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kgo wrote:

If Gagner's Camp is realistically expecting say 5.25 and the Oil wont go above say 4.0 and the arbitration comes in at 3.9 I think this helps them get an extension done. Gagner swung for the fences, struck out and signs for 4.5 over 5

You still aren't grasping how it's going to go. Not how you THINK it should go. Not how you WANT it to go. How it WILL go based on the market and Gagner's circumstances -- pending 24 y.o. UFA in 2014-15.

Sam is not signing for $4.5MX5. $5M per, minimum.

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#7 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 11:22AM
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I think people are forgetting about the fact that back diving contracts no longer exist.

You can't look at contracts signed before this CBA and use them as comparable. Parise has a cap hit of 7.5 but if you take out the three back diving years the average is 9.4 Like I mention earlier, the Perry and Getzlaf contracts are a prime example of this.

Combine this with the estimations of the cap reaching $80 in a few/several years.

5.5 is not first line money.

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#8 EHH Team
July 21 2013, 11:31AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Once again Sam is not a second line center never mind a first line center. He is a second line winger playing center , poorly.

What I said is he is a second line PLAYER looking for first line money.

Give it up. You're getting totally destroyed.

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#9 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 10:42AM
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@Spydyr

My point is that he is not asking first line money.

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#10 David S
July 21 2013, 11:03AM
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Spydyr wrote:

I looked up one team on cap geek. Just for fun I took the champs. This is what some of their top players will make next season:

Bergeron, Patrice $5,000,000 Marchand, Brad $4,500,000 Eriksson, Loui $4,250,000 Savard, Marc $4,027,143

So he is asking first line money.

The idea is what are first line C's going for THIS YEAR, RIGHT NOW, not what existing contracts for the position are at.

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#11 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 11:15AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Once again Sam is not a second line center never mind a first line center. He is a second line winger playing center , poorly.

What I said is he is a second line PLAYER looking for first line money.

Gagner was 114th in points per 60 minutes of ice time this season for forwards, 30 games played minimum.

That literally puts him in second line point production territory if you consider all second line players to be in the range 91-181 (three forwards per team occupying the 1-90 range)

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#12 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 11:29AM
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BaldOldMan wrote:

I'm having a hard time as a fan having a team pay a player 5million/yr for an avg. points/yr of 45-55, a faceoff % less than 50. We all complained with Hemsky > 5million and he produced > 60 points/yr. RNH has a low faceoff % maybe because of his shoulder (might have an impact on his strength). I could see him > 50% this year with a new shoulder. Is there anything wrong with Gagner's shoulder? The bench mark was set with Hall and Eberle with their 6million contracts. If you think he can produce at say 80% of the level of the top 2 then you should pay him 80%. Using 70 points as a mark based on Eberle's year, Gagner would have to produce at a level > 55 points, which I don't believe he has done, and 80% of 6 million is 4.8, not 5. We need to think about our team without using our heart. I think Gagner is a great teammate and he has awesome leadership, but not at 5million. I'm sorry to saw I'd rather see him traded now for a better return then if he heads to UFA next summer. I want great team regardless of the players. We have all become attached to him because of his history, but using our heart to pay > 5million just isn't a good business decision.

You are expressing concern about Gagner's career point average and then you use Eberle's single season outer marker as a benchmark?

Also, Gagner had a pro-rated 65 point season. Using your method of comparing it to Eberle's season of 76 points that is 86% of his production.

86% of Eberle's contract is 5.13 million. And Eberles contract is buying RFA years NOT UFA years. That is a huge huge huge huge item. You can't just ignore it.

So by using your logic, you should actually be arguing FOR paying him MORE than 5 million a year.

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#13 Craig1981
July 21 2013, 11:33AM
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@Spydyr

I didn't say you were wrong, I was saying what you said had no merit.

A contract Bergeron signed in 2010 has ZERO merit on what Gagner is worth in 2013.

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#14 Craig1981
July 21 2013, 11:44AM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

Matt Duchene looks like a decent comparable to Gagner, and he just signed for 6 per, 5mil isn't really that bad people.

You are comparing a somewhat similar player, with a similar age, with a recently signed contract! You're going against the grain here

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#15 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 10:00AM
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And with that thought. How good might Hall's contract look in three years if the cap is around $80 million?

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#16 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 10:47AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

You still aren't grasping how it's going to go. Not how you THINK it should go. Not how you WANT it to go. How it WILL go based on the market and Gagner's circumstances -- pending 24 y.o. UFA in 2014-15.

Sam is not signing for $4.5MX5. $5M per, minimum.

^ This.

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#17 Craig1981
July 21 2013, 11:15AM
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Spydyr wrote:

I looked up one team on cap geek. Just for fun I took the champs. This is what some of their top players will make next season:

Bergeron, Patrice $5,000,000 Marchand, Brad $4,500,000 Eriksson, Loui $4,250,000 Savard, Marc $4,027,143

So he is asking first line money.

OMG, those contracts have as much merit as the fact that Chris Bosh makes 17.54 million next year.

You have one guy that hasn't played in the NHL for several years, and failed to mention another guy you listed actually cost 6.5million to sign this summer.

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#18 Bucknuck
July 21 2013, 11:21AM
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Mark-LW wrote:

2007-08 0.62 ppg
2008-09 0.53 ppg
2009-10 0.60 ppg
2010-11 0.61 ppg
2011-12 0.62 ppg
2012-13 0.79 ppg

What exactly is your definition of consistent?

Hey thanks for posting that. I was kinda wondering what his ppg was over his career.

He's a player.

When the team starts winning (please let it be this season), I hope people will quit being quite so frantic to trade away good players.

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#19 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 11:23AM
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Spydyr wrote:

As stated the contracts are for next season. The guy you have listed actually cost 6.5 million to sign this summer. Yes, and when Sam leads his team to the Cup final as a first line player he will be worth that too.

By all reports, Stauffer has actually stated that he knows for a fact, Gagner is not asking for 6.5.

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#21 a lg dubl dubl
July 21 2013, 11:34AM
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Matt Duchene looks like a decent comparable to Gagner, and he just signed for 6 per, 5mil isn't really that bad people.

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#22 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 11:41AM
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"Assuming that the club signs Nuge and J Scultz long term for $5M+ (or near) in the next 12 months, and have Gagner come in around $5M as well, the Oilers will be looking at about $27-29M for their five best players when the Yakupov contract comes up for review. This assumes the Nuge is willing to sign for less than $6M, and that my friends is a large assumption."

Let's assume in three years, contracts look like this:

Hall: 6
Eberle: 6
Gagner 5.5
RNH: 7
YAK: 8
Schultz: 5.5

That is 38 million for your six most important players at the moment.

That is 26% of your active roster using 47.5% of your projected cap (I'm assuming 80 million because that's what I keep hearing from media reports)

Is that number out of whack with how you should spend on elite talent? The pie obviously isn't divided equally among the roster. The best players are going to get the biggest slices.

Is it fair to assume you can fill out the roster with two other well paid defensemen and all the other parts with 52.5% of your budget?

I'd say yes.

EDIT:

Chicago used 42.5% of their budget this past season on their top 6 contracts. So I think the numbers I posted would be doable. Mind you, I'm just pulling those numbers out of my ass...

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#23 Craig1981
July 21 2013, 12:19PM
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Spydyr wrote:

My mistake on the champs. As for cherry picking I'm at work (don't tell my boss) with not much time to research I just looked up a top team.

You need to "research" who won the cup last month?!?! All your agruments are now invalid

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#24 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 03:38PM
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DieHard wrote:

Jujhar Khaira and Bogdan Yakimov are the reasons the Oilers cannot let Gagner have a no trade clause. These are our centers after 2 more seasons.

Ya. We will go through development pains with Gagner, and right when he's in his prime we will replace him with two twenty year old prospects.

Sounds like a smart plan.

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#25 Citizen David
July 21 2013, 06:33PM
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Have people lost their minds?! You don't want to trade away a 23 year old center with 414 GP and 0.62 PPG! His best years are ahead of him. Absolute lunacy...

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#26 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 10:24AM
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@kgo

If they go to arbitration, I don't think Gagner is an Oiler for the 2014-15 season. And trading him as an upcoming UFA will yield a very small return, relatively speaking.

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#27 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 10:41AM
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kgo wrote:

If Gagner's Camp is realistically expecting say 5.25 and the Oil wont go above say 4.0 and the arbitration comes in at 3.9 I think this helps them get an extension done. Gagner swung for the fences, struck out and signs for 4.5 over 5

If Gagner has a 60-70 point 2013-14 campaign, like this past seasons pace, There is no way he takes 4.5 a year.

Look at the money Parise got as a 26 year old UFA after a 69 point season. And that was before back diving contracts were outlawed.

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#28 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 10:46AM
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Saytalk wrote:

This is about more than just dollars and term. The presence of a NMC/NTC in the contract is probably a sticking point.

Corsi should also be in the discussion, but I think most fans don't look past the boxcars no matter how bad a player's defense is.

Tyler Dellow has taken a pretty extensive look at both Hemsky and Gagner fromt his past season.

Part one is here and you can follow through the series. http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=5811

By the end of it he starts to come the the belief (convincingly, IMO) that the systems of the Oilers were probably a large part of the entire team collapse in Corsi.

That's why I'm not putting too much into this past seasons Corsi numbers for him.

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#29 Craig1981
July 21 2013, 10:55AM
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@Robin Brownlee

Have you ever in all your years seen a player as polarized with the fanbase as Gagner?

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#30 Craig1981
July 21 2013, 11:03AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Have you already forgotten Mr. Horcoff?

I really don't think he had near the polarization as Gagner.

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#31 Butters
July 21 2013, 11:17AM
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If the cap goes up to 70-80 million over the next few years, 5 mill per WILL be the price of a second line centre. Pay now, or pay more later. Other teams are locking up their players for the max term to avoid this inevitability imho.

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#32 They're $hittie
July 21 2013, 11:28AM
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@Mr common sense

Whats laughable is your blog name, you don't seem to have any.

I did not say Gagner was a better passer, I said he was a more accurate passer. Nuge's vision makes him the better passer doesnt mean he is as accurate.

If you werent blind you would have seen that the night after the 8 point game he put up another 3 points in consecutive goals for the oilers, so I dont know what type of player you are refering to becoming after the game.

The oilers goalies are on record saying Gagner has the most accurate shot.

Ask Yakupov who the best passer on the team is.

Eberle has had one really good season, and the rest have been on par with Gagners seasons, in which he played an easier position and with better offensive players. Why is he worth 6M dollars. Are you paying him based on what he did in the WJC as a 19 year old.

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#33 Racki
July 21 2013, 11:33AM
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I think arbitration will bring a number that the Oilers are more willing to spend, but unfortunately it will come with a term that will suck for the Oilers, as we all know. So Gagner's bargaining power outside of arbitration is pretty high. The Oilers are going to have to cave more than they'd really like to in order to get this done.

Math says the happy middle ground is $4.5M per year, but the Oilers are going to have to spend more to get Gagner to stay long term. $5M for 5 years sounds right to me.

I have to say though that temptation would be to just grab Grabovski for a cheaper rate, but while the offense is around the same ballpark (higher some years, lower by a lot last year), the attitude definitely doesn't seem to be the same either. But the Oil might have to make a sacrifice in order to build a team that they can afford to keep together.

How crappy will it be to basically lose Gagner for nothing though?

And I agree with above that Gagner isn't really a 2nd line center (imho)... 2nd line winger (could even be top line winger on some teams) is a better description. Just is the Oilers' best option for 2nd line C.

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#34 justDOit
July 21 2013, 11:33AM
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EHH Team wrote:

Give it up. You're getting totally destroyed.

Thank you!

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#35 Spydyr
July 21 2013, 12:14PM
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IMO Sam will sign in the range Robin said 5 million for 5 years. That is because Sam is in the enviable position of being the youngest UFA ever next season.

Again IMO that is too much for Sam. He is not my answer as the second line center moving forward.

Therefore I would sign him then trade him later in the season or at the trade deadline.

I also stand corrected on the first line money bit. You have enlightened me on what first line players are getting moving forward.

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#36 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 21 2013, 12:23PM
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Spydyr wrote:

IMO Sam will sign in the range Robin said 5 million for 5 years. That is because Sam is in the enviable position of being the youngest UFA ever next season.

Again IMO that is too much for Sam. He is not my answer as the second line center moving forward.

Therefore I would sign him then trade him later in the season or at the trade deadline.

I also stand corrected on the first line money bit. You have enlightened me on what first line players are getting moving forward.

Exactly why this negotiation is going all the way to the deadline.......the dreaded NTC......

Both camps are obviously aware of all the dynamics at play here......

SAMs camp knows that there is an above average chance that he will get moved at some point if he signs the mid or long term deal without the NTC....

The NTC is the main reason (not the money) that this may be one of the few cases that actually does go to arbitration

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#37 Spydyr
July 21 2013, 12:24PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

You need to "research" who won the cup last month?!?! All your agruments are now invalid

Yes. I made a mistake. I forgot to type eastern trying to juggle many things. It is nice you are perfect and never make a mistake. Some of us do.It also must be nice to be so powerful you can say another person's argument are invalid because they forgot to type the word eastern.

It must be hard being so perfect.

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#38 bazmagoo
July 21 2013, 12:29PM
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I could stomach Sam at 5 million for 5 years as long as there is not a NMC/NTC included.

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#39 PeOiler
July 21 2013, 12:32PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Yes. I made a mistake. I forgot to type eastern trying to juggle many things. It is nice you are perfect and never make a mistake. Some of us do.It also must be nice to be so powerful you can say another person's argument are invalid because they forgot to type the word eastern.

It must be hard being so perfect.

Shouldn't you be working?

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#40 Young Oil
July 21 2013, 12:34PM
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Just putting in my two cents, but people seem to be putting too much focus on points. That's not what the team needs when they already have Hall, Eberle, RNH and Yakupov. They need a center with a good two way game. So is Gagner worth $5M+ TO THE OILERS? No, not in my opinion. Is he part of the long term plans for the team? No, probably not. Will he be overpaid by the Oilers and possibly be untradeable in the future? We'll see.

The Oilers need players to keep goals out of their own net more than they need players to score them. They need a 2nd line center who is not prone to large scoring slumps when offense is his main contribution.

I would much prefer trading Gagner as a part of an overpay for a great two way center, like Dubinski. Give them an offer they can't refuse.

Just make sure we don't lose him for nothing, or prevent us from keeping Yakupov, RNH, and Schultz. Then I'll be happy.

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#41 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 01:09PM
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@Taylor Gang

Why do you doubt that?

What if Yak starts putting up Hall-like numbers by the end of his contract (which is entirely reasonable)? Why would he accept 6 million when the cap will likely be much than when Hall signed his contract.

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#42 a lg dubl dubl
July 21 2013, 01:36PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Hells no. Between Sam, Hemsky, Shultz the elder and perhaps a defensive prospect a good GM should be able to pick up a second line center such as I suggested.

I'm not saying trade all of them for said center, just that they have players that can be moved for him. Some teams may be up against the cap later this summer.Perhaps a draft pick and a prospect or two may fetch him

Do you think LA would trade Richards or Carter, or Philly with Giroux or San Jose with Thorton or Pavelski for any of those players the Oilers have that are willing to trade?

2nd line centers that are 6'0+ and 200lbls+ is a lot harder to obtain via trade without any of the kids involved and right now that IMO is asinine

Im not tryin to shoot you down or start a interweb war with ya its just my opinion :)

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#43 Smythyyy
July 21 2013, 05:28PM
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Young Oil wrote:

Just putting in my two cents, but people seem to be putting too much focus on points. That's not what the team needs when they already have Hall, Eberle, RNH and Yakupov. They need a center with a good two way game. So is Gagner worth $5M+ TO THE OILERS? No, not in my opinion. Is he part of the long term plans for the team? No, probably not. Will he be overpaid by the Oilers and possibly be untradeable in the future? We'll see.

The Oilers need players to keep goals out of their own net more than they need players to score them. They need a 2nd line center who is not prone to large scoring slumps when offense is his main contribution.

I would much prefer trading Gagner as a part of an overpay for a great two way center, like Dubinski. Give them an offer they can't refuse.

Just make sure we don't lose him for nothing, or prevent us from keeping Yakupov, RNH, and Schultz. Then I'll be happy.

If anything we're not scoring enough, we finished 18th in GPG last year. I think a lot of people just take this 'we're not big enough' philosophy too literally. There are many ways to become a championship team. The Boston and LA model is one way to do it (big hard hitting teams). Chicago, Detroit, and Pitts have another strategy to get there using lots of skill and puck possession. Obviously, both strategies have been proven to work.

However, you have to look at the personnel you currently have. We're way too deep into the skilled but not big type of players to go the Boston or LA route. We have to play to our strengths which is a fast skilled puck moving team. In my mind, it's actually harder to go the the LA route because those types of players are harder to come by. MacT has alluded to this in one of his interviews.

We'd still like to get those big skilled players IF we can get them. It's easier said than done though. If it were that easy it would have been done yesterday. They tried Clarkson at an overpay of $6M 7 years and that still didn't get done (thankfully). I don't think Dubinsky is a great fit for that 2nd line; it's a step back for wanting a skilled puck possession team, Gagner would be much better.

Now who wouldn't want Sam at a lower cap hit? Unfortunately, it's the market that dictates what he gets paid and right now it's saying it's around $5M/yr. Personally, that's my line in the sand as well.

I'd be interested if somebody can give us a name(s) for that price point or lower that would be a better player than Gagner AND would be available via a trade or FA. So I appreciate that you threw out a name (albeit one I don't necessarily agree with but it is at least constructive conversation). I'd rather hear those types of conversations instead of all these b*tching about what Sam can and can't do; it's not relevant or helpful. He'll get paid what he gets paid and at the end of the day he is our best and only option for the 2nd line C.

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#44 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 09:59AM
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5.25 long term is fine with me. Assuming the cap does go up substantially like most people in the know assume.

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#45 kgo
July 21 2013, 10:01AM
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If I'm the Oil i take the 1 yr. Then work on an extension or trade throughout next year.

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#46 TwoSkidoos
July 21 2013, 10:10AM
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I bet most teams wouldn't pay much for Gagner on a 1 yr deal knowing he's going to go UFA unless they intend upon signing him.

His value in the upcoming season is going to be relatively lower than it could be with teams knowing Edmonton's in between a rock and somewhat hard place.

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#47 Hayek
July 21 2013, 10:26AM
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Seems expensive. In 5 years in the NHL, Gagner has not produced more points than in his rookie season. Now he is 2nd in the depth chart behind RNH. How much offensive production can be reasonably expected from Gagner get 2nd line ice time at EV and on the PP?

My question would be if Gagner signs a deal for $5M/season, is this a contract that is tradeable? Is it one in which you would have to eat salary to be traded?

I personally have a difficult time seeing that as being the case. I would assume people in Edmonton assess Gagner at a higher value than other GMs in the league.

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#48 Jason
July 21 2013, 10:28AM
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Oilers would have traded him if they could. The return was not there for a 5m +/yr.

So they will sign him and hope he has more of an upside coming into his prime.

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#49 Spydyr
July 21 2013, 10:28AM
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The number that fits for me is another GM'S phone number. He is not the right fit here. Too many similar younger and better players filling his role. He is a second line player looking for first line money. Between him and Hemsky a forecasted amount over 10 million Per. Ouch.

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#50 Naky
July 21 2013, 10:32AM
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@Spydyr

Too many similar, younger, and better players in our system? Whoa. When did we get all these awesome centers? Last time I checked our centers basically consisted of a 19 year old RNH, a 23 year old Gagner, a 29 year old Gordon, and a 22 year old Lander. Gonna go out on a limb and say that Gordon and Lander aren't better offensively than Sam sooo... where they at?

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