FINDING THE NUMBER

Lowetide
July 21 2013 09:52AM

Making a case for Sam Gagner at $5M a year isn't hard to do, but for the Oilers it's more difficult to find a way to include him in their future at that number. Well beyond $5M? Almost impossible.

GAGNER HAS REAL VALUE TO EDMONTON

The case for Gagner making 5 large has been made ably at ON in recent days:

  • Robin Brownlee: "I don't think it's a stretch to believe that Gagner is a reasonable buy at $1 million less a season than Hall and Eberle just signed for. That means $5 million a season.Ka-ching. Pay the man."
  • Jonathan Willis: "My view is that I’d be comfortable signing Gagner at five million per season over five years, but that I’d be calling Grabovski’s agent just in case."

I'd also draw your attention to Tyler Dellow's summary of the situation (here) and his conclusion "deferring this issue by letting the arbitrator deal with it doesn’t seem likely to me to produce a better result. Make a longer term bet on him now seems like a reasonably smart bet to make to me."

BRIDGING THE GAP

The Oilers have five 'impact' players who could reasonably be regarded as having superior futures to Gagner: they are Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Nail Yakupov, Jordan Eberle and Justin Schultz. Hall and Eberle are signed long term for $6M per year, and that's probably the organizational 'outer marker' for contracts.

Assuming that the club signs Nuge and J Scultz long term for $5M+ (or near) in the next 12 months, and have Gagner come in around $5M as well, the Oilers will be looking at about $27-29M for their five best players when the Yakupov contract comes up for review. This assumes the Nuge is willing to sign for less than $6M, and that my friends is a large assumption.

The cap will go up next year, and if it hits $70M plus then the pressures will be eased; however, signing Sam Gagner long term with a no trade mean Craig MacTavish could box himself in if:

  • he signs Gagner to a multi-year deal with a no trade clause for the free agent years
  • the cap goes up, but does not sky rocket
  • Gagner performs below his established level

These are legit concerns, and things MacT must measure as he readies to sign Sam Gagner.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

I think the Oilers call in forensics on this, pore over the numbers, and deliver a long term contract shy of $5.25M per year. Sam Gagner has been consistent and is entering his prime. Buying an uptick in performance is a good bet.

We wait.

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#1 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 09:59AM
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5.25 long term is fine with me. Assuming the cap does go up substantially like most people in the know assume.

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#2 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 10:00AM
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And with that thought. How good might Hall's contract look in three years if the cap is around $80 million?

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#3 kgo
July 21 2013, 10:01AM
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If I'm the Oil i take the 1 yr. Then work on an extension or trade throughout next year.

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#4 TwoSkidoos
July 21 2013, 10:10AM
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I bet most teams wouldn't pay much for Gagner on a 1 yr deal knowing he's going to go UFA unless they intend upon signing him.

His value in the upcoming season is going to be relatively lower than it could be with teams knowing Edmonton's in between a rock and somewhat hard place.

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#5 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 10:24AM
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@kgo

If they go to arbitration, I don't think Gagner is an Oiler for the 2014-15 season. And trading him as an upcoming UFA will yield a very small return, relatively speaking.

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#6 Hayek
July 21 2013, 10:26AM
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Seems expensive. In 5 years in the NHL, Gagner has not produced more points than in his rookie season. Now he is 2nd in the depth chart behind RNH. How much offensive production can be reasonably expected from Gagner get 2nd line ice time at EV and on the PP?

My question would be if Gagner signs a deal for $5M/season, is this a contract that is tradeable? Is it one in which you would have to eat salary to be traded?

I personally have a difficult time seeing that as being the case. I would assume people in Edmonton assess Gagner at a higher value than other GMs in the league.

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#7 Jason
July 21 2013, 10:28AM
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Oilers would have traded him if they could. The return was not there for a 5m +/yr.

So they will sign him and hope he has more of an upside coming into his prime.

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#8 Spydyr
July 21 2013, 10:28AM
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The number that fits for me is another GM'S phone number. He is not the right fit here. Too many similar younger and better players filling his role. He is a second line player looking for first line money. Between him and Hemsky a forecasted amount over 10 million Per. Ouch.

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#9 Naky
July 21 2013, 10:32AM
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@Spydyr

Too many similar, younger, and better players in our system? Whoa. When did we get all these awesome centers? Last time I checked our centers basically consisted of a 19 year old RNH, a 23 year old Gagner, a 29 year old Gordon, and a 22 year old Lander. Gonna go out on a limb and say that Gordon and Lander aren't better offensively than Sam sooo... where they at?

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#11 Crackenbury
July 21 2013, 10:37AM
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What happens to Gagner's value if he wins his 1 year arbitration? There is no way the Oilers let him play out the season here and/or Gagner basically forces the Oilers to sign Grabovski to replace him. Gagner then ends up on the third line with diminished minutes and fewer points going into UFA status. I would think Gagner's best opportunity to sign long term for decent dollars is right now with the Oilers. The risk of injury or a poor season stat-wise based on a reduced role should ensure he signs before his hearing. If he doesn't and the Oilers sign Grabovski shortly thereafter, Gagner should shop for a new agent.

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#12 kgo
July 21 2013, 10:38AM
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@Mark-LW

If Gagner's Camp is realistically expecting say 5.25 and the Oil wont go above say 4.0 and the arbitration comes in at 3.9 I think this helps them get an extension done. Gagner swung for the fences, struck out and signs for 4.5 over 5

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#13 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 10:39AM
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Spydyr wrote:

The number that fits for me is another GM'S phone number. He is not the right fit here. Too many similar younger and better players filling his role. He is a second line player looking for first line money. Between him and Hemsky a forecasted amount over 10 million Per. Ouch.

In what world is $5 million/year first line centre money?

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#14 Spydyr
July 21 2013, 10:39AM
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Naky wrote:

@Spydyr

Too many similar, younger, and better players in our system? Whoa. When did we get all these awesome centers? Last time I checked our centers basically consisted of a 19 year old RNH, a 23 year old Gagner, a 29 year old Gordon, and a 22 year old Lander. Gonna go out on a limb and say that Gordon and Lander aren't better offensively than Sam sooo... where they at?

Even his GM does not consider him a center. He is a winger playing center, poorly.

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#15 Spydyr
July 21 2013, 10:40AM
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Mark-LW wrote:

In what world is $5 million/year first line centre money?

I said he is a second line player asking first line money. Where did I say he was a first line center? He is not.

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#16 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 10:41AM
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kgo wrote:

If Gagner's Camp is realistically expecting say 5.25 and the Oil wont go above say 4.0 and the arbitration comes in at 3.9 I think this helps them get an extension done. Gagner swung for the fences, struck out and signs for 4.5 over 5

If Gagner has a 60-70 point 2013-14 campaign, like this past seasons pace, There is no way he takes 4.5 a year.

Look at the money Parise got as a 26 year old UFA after a 69 point season. And that was before back diving contracts were outlawed.

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#17 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 10:42AM
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@Spydyr

My point is that he is not asking first line money.

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#18 Saytalk
July 21 2013, 10:42AM
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This is about more than just dollars and term. The presence of a NMC/NTC in the contract is probably a sticking point.

Corsi should also be in the discussion, but I think most fans don't look past the boxcars no matter how bad a player's defense is.

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#19 Robin Brownlee
July 21 2013, 10:43AM
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kgo wrote:

If Gagner's Camp is realistically expecting say 5.25 and the Oil wont go above say 4.0 and the arbitration comes in at 3.9 I think this helps them get an extension done. Gagner swung for the fences, struck out and signs for 4.5 over 5

You still aren't grasping how it's going to go. Not how you THINK it should go. Not how you WANT it to go. How it WILL go based on the market and Gagner's circumstances -- pending 24 y.o. UFA in 2014-15.

Sam is not signing for $4.5MX5. $5M per, minimum.

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#20 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 10:46AM
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Saytalk wrote:

This is about more than just dollars and term. The presence of a NMC/NTC in the contract is probably a sticking point.

Corsi should also be in the discussion, but I think most fans don't look past the boxcars no matter how bad a player's defense is.

Tyler Dellow has taken a pretty extensive look at both Hemsky and Gagner fromt his past season.

Part one is here and you can follow through the series. http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=5811

By the end of it he starts to come the the belief (convincingly, IMO) that the systems of the Oilers were probably a large part of the entire team collapse in Corsi.

That's why I'm not putting too much into this past seasons Corsi numbers for him.

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#21 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 10:47AM
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Robin Brownlee wrote:

You still aren't grasping how it's going to go. Not how you THINK it should go. Not how you WANT it to go. How it WILL go based on the market and Gagner's circumstances -- pending 24 y.o. UFA in 2014-15.

Sam is not signing for $4.5MX5. $5M per, minimum.

^ This.

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#22 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 10:49AM
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@Spydyr

Take a quick look here: http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=6233

Check out Sam's company.

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#23 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 21 2013, 10:52AM
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Lowetide wrote:

Gagner is a valuable part of the team, a stand up guy, has helped in recruiting other players and the GM praised him recently.

This is ONLY about contract number and term. He's one of the boys.

Fans often conflate these issues. It's a shame really.

Besides the whole narrative about players = bad character because they make too much money ignores the fact that players don't operate in a free market.

Hockey is one of the more regulated markets in existence. All the tools (ELC, RFA, Cap, etc.) are designed to limit the earning power of the players on the free market.

Fans often direct their frustration at players for "getting paid" when they hit UFA status and yet conveniently ignore the years those same players put in under market conditions radically unfavorable to them. Even under UFA status there are tools that artificially limit the earning power of players.

It is understandable that some form of resentment holds against those making enormous amounts of money, but that general affect is completely without context to evaluate the market in which value is assigned.

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#24 Spydyr
July 21 2013, 10:53AM
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Mark-LW wrote:

My point is that he is not asking first line money.

I looked up one team on cap geek. Just for fun I took the champs. This is what some of their top players will make next season:

Bergeron, Patrice $5,000,000 Marchand, Brad $4,500,000 Eriksson, Loui $4,250,000 Savard, Marc $4,027,143

So he is asking first line money.

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#25 Mr common sense
July 21 2013, 10:54AM
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I don't like this situation one bit, this guy is NOT elite in ANY regard; speed, shot, accuracy, physicality, passing, hitting, skill, face offs, defensive zone coverage, one on one ability, finesse, consistency, durability, ruggedness, highlight ability, hockey IQ, pp specialist, pk proficiency, shot blocking, shut diwn capability, NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING. The city and media has lost it's marbles. Put me in that arbitration, I'd rip him apart and convince the judge to give him 3M.

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#26 oldhippy
July 21 2013, 10:54AM
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Hayek wrote:

Seems expensive. In 5 years in the NHL, Gagner has not produced more points than in his rookie season. Now he is 2nd in the depth chart behind RNH. How much offensive production can be reasonably expected from Gagner get 2nd line ice time at EV and on the PP?

My question would be if Gagner signs a deal for $5M/season, is this a contract that is tradeable? Is it one in which you would have to eat salary to be traded?

I personally have a difficult time seeing that as being the case. I would assume people in Edmonton assess Gagner at a higher value than other GMs in the league.

First off, Gagner's numbers for the 2013 season extrapolate out to 65 points. His first year was 49 points. That puts him at 17th place among ALL centers this past season. His average totals for a full season works out to 51 points. This includes an 18 year old season.

He turns 24 at the start of this season. Centers tend to have their best years, starting around that age, or older.

Look at Henrik Sedin's numbers. Starting at age 20 until 24 his season totals were 29, 36, 39, and 42. The next season was the lock out and he came back after that, as a 25 year old and scored 75 points. I will further argue that Henrik had better line mates and spent more time on the first power play unit.

To give up on Gagner at this point is sheer lunacy. Even if he isn't our 2C going forward, he could still be a winger on the second line. At 5X$5M he would be a highly tradeable player. I doubt after 6 season of better than 40 points, his contract would look like Horcoff's. Hor coff had one good season and was on his way to another great season when he had the bad knee injury. That was when he was given the contract. He had no long track record that would match what Gagner has done, consistently.

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#27 Craig1981
July 21 2013, 10:55AM
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@Robin Brownlee

Have you ever in all your years seen a player as polarized with the fanbase as Gagner?

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#28 Spydyr
July 21 2013, 10:57AM
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Craig1981 wrote:

Have you ever in all your years seen a player as polarized with the fanbase as Gagner?

Have you already forgotten Mr. Horcoff?

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#29 Mr common sense
July 21 2013, 11:00AM
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I don't like this situation one bit, this guy is NOT elite in ANY regard; speed, shot, accuracy, physicality, passing, hitting, skill, face offs, defensive zone coverage, one on one ability, finesse, consistency, durability, ruggedness, highlight ability, hockey IQ, pp specialist, pk proficiency, shot blocking, shut diwn capability, NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING. The city and media has lost it's marbles. Put me in that arbitration, I'd rip him apart and convince the judge to give him 3M.

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#30 Mr common sense
July 21 2013, 11:01AM
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I don't like this situation one bit, this guy is NOT elite in ANY regard; speed, shot, accuracy, physicality, passing, hitting, skill, face offs, defensive zone coverage, one on one ability, finesse, consistency, durability, ruggedness, highlight ability, hockey IQ, pp specialist, pk proficiency, shot blocking, shut diwn capability, NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING. The city and media has lost it's marbles. Put me in that arbitration, I'd rip him apart and convince the judge to give him 3M.

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#31 Death Metal Nightmare
July 21 2013, 11:02AM
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mistake signing at 5m+

NOT consistent. a third wheel on lines because he isnt good enough to generate offense without better linemates (aka he's a vulture. someone else does the killing - he picks the scraps). he's had pretty large droughts in MULTIPLE seasons. horrendous in the faceoff dot. pretty poor defensively.

sometimes i think the off-season just gives people amnesia and "on-paper" dreams WAY too hard.

a 5 million hit for 40-50 points ("Well he prorated" - he didnt do it. prorating means crap and you all know it.) from a player with a primary finesse skill set that is deficient in all the rest of his responsibilities as a center is poor judgement.

seal the fate of the "rebuild" Oilers to the early 2000's Ottawa Senators where they had a zillion high level talents on a team and did nothing with it.

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#32 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 11:02AM
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Spydyr wrote:

I looked up one team on cap geek. Just for fun I took the champs. This is what some of their top players will make next season:

Bergeron, Patrice $5,000,000 Marchand, Brad $4,500,000 Eriksson, Loui $4,250,000 Savard, Marc $4,027,143

So he is asking first line money.

I can do that also:

Datsyuk - $6.7
Perry - $8.625
Getzlaf - $8.25
Kane - $6.3
Toews - $6.3
Sastny - $6.6
Kopitar - $6.8

I could have gone on longer but I got tired of clicking through.

Notice something there?

All those >6 million contracts are from a different CBA that allowed artificially lowering the cap number and THEY ARE STILL much higher than what Gagner is asking. If you want to see true first line pay under this CBA, look no further than Perry and Getzlaf. Neither are Crosby/Stamkos/Malkin like talents but check out that cap number. $5.5 will seem very small for a consistent scoring second line centre in three years.

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#33 David S
July 21 2013, 11:03AM
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Spydyr wrote:

I looked up one team on cap geek. Just for fun I took the champs. This is what some of their top players will make next season:

Bergeron, Patrice $5,000,000 Marchand, Brad $4,500,000 Eriksson, Loui $4,250,000 Savard, Marc $4,027,143

So he is asking first line money.

The idea is what are first line C's going for THIS YEAR, RIGHT NOW, not what existing contracts for the position are at.

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#34 Craig1981
July 21 2013, 11:03AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Have you already forgotten Mr. Horcoff?

I really don't think he had near the polarization as Gagner.

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#35 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 11:05AM
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Death Metal Nightmare wrote:

mistake signing at 5m+

NOT consistent. a third wheel on lines because he isnt good enough to generate offense without better linemates (aka he's a vulture. someone else does the killing - he picks the scraps). he's had pretty large droughts in MULTIPLE seasons. horrendous in the faceoff dot. pretty poor defensively.

sometimes i think the off-season just gives people amnesia and "on-paper" dreams WAY too hard.

a 5 million hit for 40-50 points ("Well he prorated" - he didnt do it. prorating means crap and you all know it.) from a player with a primary finesse skill set that is deficient in all the rest of his responsibilities as a center is poor judgement.

seal the fate of the "rebuild" Oilers to the early 2000's Ottawa Senators where they had a zillion high level talents on a team and did nothing with it.

2007-08 0.62 ppg
2008-09 0.53 ppg
2009-10 0.60 ppg
2010-11 0.61 ppg
2011-12 0.62 ppg
2012-13 0.79 ppg

What exactly is your definition of consistent?

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#36 Spydyr
July 21 2013, 11:08AM
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David S wrote:

The idea is what are first line C's going for THIS YEAR, RIGHT NOW, not what existing contracts for the position are at.

Once again Sam is not a second line center never mind a first line center. He is a second line winger playing center , poorly.

What I said is he is a second line PLAYER looking for first line money.

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#37 Sincethewhadays
July 21 2013, 11:12AM
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Just spit balling here. What if the solution MacT is contimplating is Arcabello in th 2c spot. If Gags gets the 1 year arbitrator dicision and Arcabello gets a decent look.... It would give us the extra C, plus a value contract for next season when we move Gags. That's assuming Aecabellos got an NHL game.

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#38 They're $hittie
July 21 2013, 11:14AM
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@Mr common sense

accuracy? Gagner wins or finishes second every year at the oilers skill competition. Has only lost to Tom Gilbert

Finesse? Highlight ability? Gagners Shoot outs clearly have finesse. 8 point night!

PP Specialist? Lead the oilers in PP/60 by a wide margin

PK specialist? Lead the oilers in corsi rel and pk points last year. Was only on the ice for 3 goals against. Maybe not a specialist but one of the oilers best.

Hocky IQ? You have nothing to measure this but I think the majority of the hockey community disagrees with you.

Passing? Are you on crack, he is the best passer on the oilers. While Nuge's vision may make you believe nuge is better gagner is the more accurate passer.

He is an elite passer, he has elite finesse, and he is good to great at everything else I listed.

Put me in a room for arbitration with you. I will convince them to cut your hands off so you are not able to type something so stupid again.

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#39 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 11:15AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Once again Sam is not a second line center never mind a first line center. He is a second line winger playing center , poorly.

What I said is he is a second line PLAYER looking for first line money.

Gagner was 114th in points per 60 minutes of ice time this season for forwards, 30 games played minimum.

That literally puts him in second line point production territory if you consider all second line players to be in the range 91-181 (three forwards per team occupying the 1-90 range)

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#40 Craig1981
July 21 2013, 11:15AM
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Spydyr wrote:

I looked up one team on cap geek. Just for fun I took the champs. This is what some of their top players will make next season:

Bergeron, Patrice $5,000,000 Marchand, Brad $4,500,000 Eriksson, Loui $4,250,000 Savard, Marc $4,027,143

So he is asking first line money.

OMG, those contracts have as much merit as the fact that Chris Bosh makes 17.54 million next year.

You have one guy that hasn't played in the NHL for several years, and failed to mention another guy you listed actually cost 6.5million to sign this summer.

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#41 Butters
July 21 2013, 11:17AM
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If the cap goes up to 70-80 million over the next few years, 5 mill per WILL be the price of a second line centre. Pay now, or pay more later. Other teams are locking up their players for the max term to avoid this inevitability imho.

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#42 Mr common sense
July 21 2013, 11:20AM
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They're $hittie wrote:

accuracy? Gagner wins or finishes second every year at the oilers skill competition. Has only lost to Tom Gilbert

Finesse? Highlight ability? Gagners Shoot outs clearly have finesse. 8 point night!

PP Specialist? Lead the oilers in PP/60 by a wide margin

PK specialist? Lead the oilers in corsi rel and pk points last year. Was only on the ice for 3 goals against. Maybe not a specialist but one of the oilers best.

Hocky IQ? You have nothing to measure this but I think the majority of the hockey community disagrees with you.

Passing? Are you on crack, he is the best passer on the oilers. While Nuge's vision may make you believe nuge is better gagner is the more accurate passer.

He is an elite passer, he has elite finesse, and he is good to great at everything else I listed.

Put me in a room for arbitration with you. I will convince them to cut your hands off so you are not able to type something so stupid again.

Hi Sam Gagner, nice of you to join us here at Oilers Nation. Hope you're having a nice morning, looks like you are rehearsing your story for tomorrow. Very excited that your logic extends to what you wrote above, laughable that you think you are a better passer than Hemmer or Nuge and that your main argument for finesse is your one move in the shoot out and one 8 point game before and after which, you became once again what we know you to be.

Good luck bro but we ain't blind

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#43 Bucknuck
July 21 2013, 11:21AM
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Mark-LW wrote:

2007-08 0.62 ppg
2008-09 0.53 ppg
2009-10 0.60 ppg
2010-11 0.61 ppg
2011-12 0.62 ppg
2012-13 0.79 ppg

What exactly is your definition of consistent?

Hey thanks for posting that. I was kinda wondering what his ppg was over his career.

He's a player.

When the team starts winning (please let it be this season), I hope people will quit being quite so frantic to trade away good players.

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#44 BaldOldMan
July 21 2013, 11:21AM
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I'm having a hard time as a fan having a team pay a player 5million/yr for an avg. points/yr of 45-55, a faceoff % less than 50. We all complained with Hemsky > 5million and he produced > 60 points/yr. RNH has a low faceoff % maybe because of his shoulder (might have an impact on his strength). I could see him > 50% this year with a new shoulder. Is there anything wrong with Gagner's shoulder? The bench mark was set with Hall and Eberle with their 6million contracts. If you think he can produce at say 80% of the level of the top 2 then you should pay him 80%. Using 70 points as a mark based on Eberle's year, Gagner would have to produce at a level > 55 points, which I don't believe he has done, and 80% of 6 million is 4.8, not 5. We need to think about our team without using our heart. I think Gagner is a great teammate and he has awesome leadership, but not at 5million. I'm sorry to saw I'd rather see him traded now for a better return then if he heads to UFA next summer. I want great team regardless of the players. We have all become attached to him because of his history, but using our heart to pay > 5million just isn't a good business decision.

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#45 Spydyr
July 21 2013, 11:22AM
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Craig1981 wrote:

OMG, those contracts have as much merit as the fact that Chris Bosh makes 17.54 million next year.

You have one guy that hasn't played in the NHL for several years, and failed to mention another guy you listed actually cost 6.5million to sign this summer.

As stated the contracts are for next season. The guy you have listed actually cost 6.5 million to sign this summer. Yes, and when Sam leads his team to the Cup final as a first line player he will be worth that too.

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#46 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 11:22AM
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I think people are forgetting about the fact that back diving contracts no longer exist.

You can't look at contracts signed before this CBA and use them as comparable. Parise has a cap hit of 7.5 but if you take out the three back diving years the average is 9.4 Like I mention earlier, the Perry and Getzlaf contracts are a prime example of this.

Combine this with the estimations of the cap reaching $80 in a few/several years.

5.5 is not first line money.

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#47 Mark-LW
July 21 2013, 11:23AM
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Spydyr wrote:

As stated the contracts are for next season. The guy you have listed actually cost 6.5 million to sign this summer. Yes, and when Sam leads his team to the Cup final as a first line player he will be worth that too.

By all reports, Stauffer has actually stated that he knows for a fact, Gagner is not asking for 6.5.

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#48 WhattaMike
July 21 2013, 11:26AM
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I have read many responses here and thrown in a few myself in other articles about Sammy and...I feel he is not worth more than $5 mil per yr.

To me he also, he is not closer to Hall, Ebs, RNH or Yak as a future/present elite type player...but he is a good youngster who plays hard for this team. Yes sammy has talent and skill but he is at a stage lower than the above other named.

I believe it is the NMC or NTC part of the deal and the length of term that is causing a no signing deal right now. I gotta believe that MacT has listed $5 mil as the maximum when he compares sammy to what he has in Hall, Ebs, RNH and Yak.

I completely agree with JW (and also, others who say this...) that Gagner has to do much better at faceoffs, be better with two way play, and be way better with of the tough minutes at even strength.

However, I will be happy (without bitching)with Sam Gagner playing here as the 2nd line centre on a $5 mil per yr deal at 4 to 5 yrs...but....Only...if there is no inclusive NMC or NTC involved. That way the Oilers have an out to trade him if he does not ever improve, he is not doing what a top 2nd line centre must do, and/or when his trade asset value is even better than today.

If the arbitrator says $5.25 mil per yr or plus (1 yr deal), then I hope MacT is on the phone in a heartbeat looking to deal Sam in a package. Oh yeah, we still need another centre pretty quick and Steckel or Zack Smith for 4th line duty makes a whole lots of sense.

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I looked up one team on cap geek. Just for fun I took the champs. This is what some of their top players will make next season:

Bergeron, Patrice $5,000,000 Marchand, Brad $4,500,000 Eriksson, Loui $4,250,000 Savard, Marc $4,027,143

So he is asking first line money.

many lunacies of this post have already been highlighted, but I am curious:

Why did you chose the Eastern Conference champs instead of the "Champs", as you put it? Is it because the champs have 4 forwards and 2 dmen making over 5mil, some on back-diving contracts?

It's nice picking cherries, eh?

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