GAGNER SIGNS FOR THREE YEARS

Jason Gregor
July 22 2013 08:29AM

 

The Oilers and Sam Gagner agreed to a three-year extension hours before their scheduled arbitration hearing.

Yesterday, I wrote that a three-year deal made the most sense for both parties, and it seems they agreed.

Gagner will make $4.4 million this coming season and $5 million in 2014 and 2015, so his cap hit will be $4.8 million and he has a NMC, but it won't kick in until year two. (NMC usually includes a NTC, so I didn't write both), and like I wrote last night it might not include year three.

This deal works well for both sides.

Craig MacTavish made it clear the past two months that Gagner is the type of person and player the Oilers need. They like Gagner's leadership abilities and his desire to win. If Gagner can continue to progress offensively and improve his overall game, this will be a very good deal for the Oilers.

In three years, the salary cap could be at $75 million and giving Gagner another million a season shouldn't be a strain on their overall cap.

Gagner wanted to stay in Edmonton. He wants to win in Edmonton, and a three year deal only takes him two years into unrestricted free agency. Gagner will still be able test the free agent market as a 26/27 year old. (He'd be 26 when he signs a new deal, but 27 when the season starts).

I see this as a rare win-win for both sides.

The Oilers now have 14 forwards, 9 D-men and 2 goalies who will fight for a job on the opening day roster.

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Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Jones-Gordon-Hemsky
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J.Schultz-Ference
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Potter-Larsen
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Dubnyk and Labarbera

Oscar Klefbom will also be in the mix, but unless he has an outstanding preseason, I'd expect him to start the season in the AHL. He only played 11 games last season, so it makes sense to let him get used to the North American game in the AHL.

Wil Acton and Ryan Hamilton are also expected to compete for a job on the 4th line, and both of them are on two-way deals. Hamilton is scheduled to make $600,000 in the NHL and $300,000 in the AHL, which usually means the organization feels he has a better chance than Acton of making the team.

The Oilers need another centre, but they don't have much cap space left. If you believe Eager and Potter start in the minors the Oilers would have about $1.8 million in cap space.

The Gagner signing was good, but MacTavish still needs to  find some more depth down the middle.

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#151 Tim
July 22 2013, 12:45PM
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Love this deal. I hope this is an indication of how MacT will negotiate future deals with RFAs. Gagner is exactly the kind of young leader the Oilers need in their dressing room, and if his point production from last season continues next year this will be a great deal.

Having said all that, I suspect that MacT will assess Gagner in Jan/Feb and make a decision as to whether or not he is the right player for the 2C spot. I think he fits well there, but we need size in our top 6 and four of the 6 are likely not going anywhere. I could see him getting moved before his NMC kicks in. A young 50-70 point centre at a 4.8 million cap hit with years left on his deal has lots of value- and the Oilers have holes to fill.

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#152 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 12:45PM
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DSF wrote:

Always call em as I see em.

That may be true.....but your tone and approach has been a little different lately...yes? No?

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#153 The Soup Fascist
July 22 2013, 12:52PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Just so I got this right; you misread what I said, you think Gagner is good to above average and overpayed, and you have no sense of humour?

I think my sense of humour is intact. In fact I think it is downright HILARIOUS that you believe a 25 year old Gagner, putting up close to the same ppg rate he did last year, would not have gotten a long term $5 million plus per year contract from an NHL GM, had he gone to free agency in 2014. That was a good one!

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#154 Butters
July 22 2013, 12:57PM
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We have too much skill. What we need is a bigger less skilled centre who wins 4 more out of every 100 face-offs he takes than does Gagner. Other players will be licking their chops at a chance to line up against Yakupov-Gagner-Perron.

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#155 2004Z06
July 22 2013, 01:00PM
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Holy crap, the sky is falling, the sky is falling. I just prop'd a DSF post!

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#156 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 01:00PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Maybe after the next six years , it might be some kind of funky cycle. Come on give him a chance.Then six more and you have 666.Scary kids.

Did you like the contract?

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#157 Rockstar Ryan
July 22 2013, 01:00PM
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I'd love to see Brule back in town on a PTO to deal with the depth at center.

I'd also be extremely happy if there was a deal to be made moving Hemsky, a L shot D man (probably N Schultz given our depth chart) and a mid level prospect or 2 for either a big forward to play in the bottom 6 with decent hands, or a big mean defenseman.

Problem is I'm pretty sure Hemsky and Nick Schultz doesn't get you that, and we are low on other moving parts, unless we've decided to move out Eberle, which I don't want to see.

I guess these rebuilds really do take time to shape up, especially when you change your GM partway through.

At least the GM change so far seems to be an upgrade.

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#158 Will
July 22 2013, 01:01PM
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I know last year was an abbreviated season and everything, but Gagner would have been the top point producer on a large list of teams. Not to mention he would have had the second most points on some very very good teams like Annaheim as well.

To get most teams' top point producer under contract for three years at a cap hit of 4.8 on average is very reasonable. The deal is a good one, if not a great one for a player like this.

Unfortunately, the Oilers really aren't going to be helped too much by a player like this, and it sounds like most fans are upset at having another three years with a player that can put up points, but not make an impact.

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#159 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 01:01PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Holy crap, the sky is falling, the sky is falling. I just prop'd a DSF post!

That's what im talkin about!

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#160 Pouzar99
July 22 2013, 01:04PM
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Okay, Gagner is signed. That leaves the Oil with $1,348,333 in Cap space, assuming Eager and Klefbom stay in OKC. That covers 13 forwards, 9 D men and two goalies. What do they do now? They can stand pat of course, but the bottom six could use some improvement in both size and skill. Say picking up a 4th line center and leaving Lander ($900,000 per) as an OKC callup. Surely at least one D man will be moved, most likely Potter ($775,000) and maybe N Schultz ($3.5 mil). Might still be possible to squeeze in Clifford or Abdelkader for picks and prospects. There is no real prospect of addressing the number one need - acquiring a minute munching legit top pairing D man. They may be prepared to wait and hope J Schultz, Klefbom or Nurse grow into that player. Eventually. Trading Hemmer for a very aggressive third line junkyard dog would be ideal and would open up Cap space, but for various reasons seems unlikely right now. So this might be it, but I think there is one more move coming before the season starts and likely one more during the season, involving Hemsky.

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#161 Mark-LW
July 22 2013, 01:05PM
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To people who were worried that Gagner would end up with a Horcoff-esque contract and become un-tradeable:

If you adjust for salary differences at the time their contracts were signed, Gagner would have had to be rewarded a cap hit of $6.2 million, far more than the low 5's that people were sweating.

Then there is the fact that Horcoff's contract started for his age 31 season, obviously past his prime years. And then consider that Horcoff never showed even close to Gagner's offensive potential at a young age (it wasn't until Horcoff's fourth season in NCAA where he cracked a point per game).

There is always the risk that the bottom could completely fall out from him, but I would take my chances on a 6 season .62 points per game player who is not yet 24.

Trying to compare Gagner's situation to Horcoff's is quite ridiculous IMO.

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#162 lucky
July 22 2013, 01:07PM
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DSF wrote:

Yeah. I think this is a win-win deal.

To me, Gagner is likely a $4.5M player but, given the leverage Gagner had, I think MacT did very well here.

Avoiding another Horcoff-type contract and not risking losing Gagner for nothing next season is a very good compromise.

DSF nails it. The danger was losing the player for nothing, alienating him (or the other players watching), or alternatively getting him run out of town ala Horcoff. Good deal at justifiable numbers. Next item on the agenda?

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#163 Steven
July 22 2013, 01:09PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Well he has been on the job for a total of 2 months and has spent the majority of that time cleaning up his predecessors mess. I would hardly call it being impotent. What price would you pay? We aren't giving up one of the Fab 5 just yet and no one wants anything else we have. Yes anything is for sale providing you have currency and we don't!

Many Oilers fans have been critical of the players/ownership/management at times(including myself) so you certainly aren't accurate in your comments regarding fans refusal to see the reality of what the Oilers are currently.

Rome wasn't built in a day after all. How about we wait until the season starts to assess Mac T's "bold" summer?

Or did you expect we would go from bottom feeder to cup champs overnight? Now that would be unrealistic!

The biggest conceit of Oiler fans, in my opinion, is this presumption of eventual winning. The language on some of these posts is indicative of this. You often here "when we start winning", or "when we win the cup" etc. as if it's an eventual certainty. Oilers fans need to purge themselves of this nonsense in order to have sober analysis of the team. The "rebuild" is nothing but clever marketing, and you've all been duped.

You've all been convinced that winning is actually losing; that more patience is needed, not better management; and that a competitive team is just around the corner.

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#164 Rocket
July 22 2013, 01:11PM
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I think MacT did the best he could given his negotiating position but Gagner still won the deal. It's an overpay but now we're stuck watching him play in Edmonton for the next while so I'm cautiously optimistic.

I like Gagner's character & compete level so I hope he does well.

I'm most interested how well he (or any player) plays under Eakins. Maybe a new coach will make a big difference in his defensive game? I suppose that depends on the system though.

Well at least we have a polarizing player to cheer for/complain about for the next few years.

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#165 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 01:13PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Mac-T did good again.

He retained a tradable asset. If they cannot move Sam to the wing by bringing in a solid number 2C then he can be moved for one. Perhaps with a little sweetener in there a prospect , one of the many 5-6 defencman , Hemsky or Shultz the elder.

I'm old....I can barely remember my last post.....went back to find this......because I was pretty sure we were in agreement......and we are...... What you've said here is the primary point to the deal....

personally I would just add..that given all the circumstances.....this is a GREAT deal....

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#166 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 01:14PM
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Ducey wrote:

Yak to the Russian one, too. (three)

Maybe Smid and Petry too!!!

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#167 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 01:16PM
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Steven wrote:

The biggest conceit of Oiler fans, in my opinion, is this presumption of eventual winning. The language on some of these posts is indicative of this. You often here "when we start winning", or "when we win the cup" etc. as if it's an eventual certainty. Oilers fans need to purge themselves of this nonsense in order to have sober analysis of the team. The "rebuild" is nothing but clever marketing, and you've all been duped.

You've all been convinced that winning is actually losing; that more patience is needed, not better management; and that a competitive team is just around the corner.

Trust me on this Steven......this ( " as if its an eventual certainty " ) is what winners do!

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#168 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 01:19PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Did you like the contract?

Mac-T did great. The contract had to be done or he walked. No issue at all with the contract.

My issue is Sam as 2C.

Get a two way, gritty 2C someone tough to play against. The Oilers are way too soft. Especially in the top six no grit whatsoever. Then move Sam to the wing or move Sam for the 2C the team needs to be a contender.

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#169 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 01:26PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Mac-T did great. The contract had to be done or he walked. No issue at all with the contract.

My issue is Sam as 2C.

Get a two way, gritty 2C someone tough to play against. The Oilers are way too soft. Especially in the top six no grit whatsoever. Then move Sam to the wing or move Sam for the 2C the team needs to be a contender.

Exactly. And i think its exponentially harder to eventually get that big 2C without getting this deal done...the way it got done.

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#170 DSF
July 22 2013, 01:26PM
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Mark-LW wrote:

To people who were worried that Gagner would end up with a Horcoff-esque contract and become un-tradeable:

If you adjust for salary differences at the time their contracts were signed, Gagner would have had to be rewarded a cap hit of $6.2 million, far more than the low 5's that people were sweating.

Then there is the fact that Horcoff's contract started for his age 31 season, obviously past his prime years. And then consider that Horcoff never showed even close to Gagner's offensive potential at a young age (it wasn't until Horcoff's fourth season in NCAA where he cracked a point per game).

There is always the risk that the bottom could completely fall out from him, but I would take my chances on a 6 season .62 points per game player who is not yet 24.

Trying to compare Gagner's situation to Horcoff's is quite ridiculous IMO.

The actual dollars and cap hit (unless exorbitant) were not the issue with Horcoff as much as the term of his contract and the MNC that it contained.

Has Gagner been signed to a 7 year deal at anything over $5M it would have been just as much an albatross contract as Horcoff's given his inconsistency and spotty defensive play.

As it is, the Oilers are only risking 3 years on a contract where they are not likely to win much of anything anyway.

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#171 They're $hittie
July 22 2013, 01:27PM
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Ok, can the Gagner posts, and trade Gagner comments stop now. He is signed and has a NTC. So we can all stop now right?

And before someone points out the NTC does not start until next year, think about if he got traded. What does this do to the oilers reputation.

SO THE GAGNER POSTS CAN STOP NOW? RIGHT?

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#172 DSF
July 22 2013, 01:28PM
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@They're $hittie

NO!!!

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#173 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 01:28PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Trust me on this Steven......this ( " as if its an eventual certainty " ) is what winners do!

Incidentally....it's also the reason that Canucks fans feel like they MIGHT eventually win a cup some day!

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#174 dougtheslug
July 22 2013, 01:29PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Fenwick is a solid possession stat, which ignores blocked shots.

No one uses Corsi alone as a possession stat. it is an indicator. a flawed one but one none the less.

CBC used a stopwatch at some point too and has used "total shot attempts" (i.e., corsi), but not with regularity.

more info would be great.

In Europe they use GPS monitors on players to measure distance run (and managers's know when to sub a player on objective measure). I think that could give lots of interesting and accurate info on NHL players - it would really give accurate data re: how far and where a player skates on a shift, where they end up static (on d in their own zone vs. cycling the puck in the o zone) etc etc

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#175 They're $hittie
July 22 2013, 01:30PM
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@DSF

I am actually enjoying what DSF has to say today. Maybe he is just thrilled that Gagner has signed also.

Is it a full moon?

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#176 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 01:31PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Ok, can the Gagner posts, and trade Gagner comments stop now. He is signed and has a NTC. So we can all stop now right?

And before someone points out the NTC does not start until next year, think about if he got traded. What does this do to the oilers reputation.

SO THE GAGNER POSTS CAN STOP NOW? RIGHT?

This is a thread about Gagner and you want to stop the Gagner posts?

You think that if the Oilers trade a player it hurts their reputation somehow. Remember this is the team that traded Gretzky. Sam Gagner is no Gretzky.

Every team tries to get better any way possible. That even includes trades. No one is un-tradable for the right price.

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#177 dougtheslug
July 22 2013, 01:31PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

In Europe they use GPS monitors on players to measure distance run (and managers's know when to sub a player on objective measure). I think that could give lots of interesting and accurate info on NHL players - it would really give accurate data re: how far and where a player skates on a shift, where they end up static (on d in their own zone vs. cycling the puck in the o zone) etc etc

I am of course referring to soccer players. I'm not sure if hockey teams are using that technology yet.

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#178 DSF
July 22 2013, 01:33PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

In Europe they use GPS monitors on players to measure distance run (and managers's know when to sub a player on objective measure). I think that could give lots of interesting and accurate info on NHL players - it would really give accurate data re: how far and where a player skates on a shift, where they end up static (on d in their own zone vs. cycling the puck in the o zone) etc etc

It should also be pretty simple to put sensors at the blue line to determine how much time players spend in the Ozone and Dzone.

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#179 Clyde Frog
July 22 2013, 01:34PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Mac-T did great. The contract had to be done or he walked. No issue at all with the contract.

My issue is Sam as 2C.

Get a two way, gritty 2C someone tough to play against. The Oilers are way too soft. Especially in the top six no grit whatsoever. Then move Sam to the wing or move Sam for the 2C the team needs to be a contender.

Could you list 10-20 2nd line two-way, gritty, tough to play against centers currently in the league?

Looking at the 31-45 Centres in production last season (and ignoring that Gagner was 17)

You get this list:

31 Vincent Lecavalier

32 Bryan Little

33 Joe Pavelski

34 Jonathan Huberdeau

35 Jordan Staal

36 Tyler Ennis

37 Lars Eller

38 Kyle Turris

39 Derick Brassard

40 Frans Nielsen

41 Tyler Bozak

42 David Desharnais

43 Derek Roy

44 David Backes

45 Mark Letestu

Which largely lacks Centres like the ones you describe... Do they not grow on trees?

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#180 Dave
July 22 2013, 01:37PM
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All I ask is that he keeps he quits chewing on his mouthguard.

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#181 dougtheslug
July 22 2013, 01:38PM
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DSF wrote:

It should also be pretty simple to put sensors at the blue line to determine how much time players spend in the Ozone and Dzone.

The technology is simple, available and cheap - surprising it isn't being used. Makes stop watches and counting shots look pretty stone-age.

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#182 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 01:38PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Could you list 10-20 2nd line two-way, gritty, tough to play against centers currently in the league?

Looking at the 31-45 Centres in production last season (and ignoring that Gagner was 17)

You get this list:

31 Vincent Lecavalier

32 Bryan Little

33 Joe Pavelski

34 Jonathan Huberdeau

35 Jordan Staal

36 Tyler Ennis

37 Lars Eller

38 Kyle Turris

39 Derick Brassard

40 Frans Nielsen

41 Tyler Bozak

42 David Desharnais

43 Derek Roy

44 David Backes

45 Mark Letestu

Which largely lacks Centres like the ones you describe... Do they not grow on trees?

Nope they don't grow on trees but if you want to contend you need one. They also need a true 1D .

Lots of work to be done yet.

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#183 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 22 2013, 01:42PM
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@dougtheslug

There has been some speculation about the various unpublished stats the teams keep.

I wouldn't be surprised if they used something like this, or simply had a guy with a stopwatch.

at any rate, as long as it isn't publicly available you are counting on some intrepid person with a lot of commitment, time and willing to work for free to come up with something.

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#184 DSF
July 22 2013, 01:43PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Could you list 10-20 2nd line two-way, gritty, tough to play against centers currently in the league?

Looking at the 31-45 Centres in production last season (and ignoring that Gagner was 17)

You get this list:

31 Vincent Lecavalier

32 Bryan Little

33 Joe Pavelski

34 Jonathan Huberdeau

35 Jordan Staal

36 Tyler Ennis

37 Lars Eller

38 Kyle Turris

39 Derick Brassard

40 Frans Nielsen

41 Tyler Bozak

42 David Desharnais

43 Derek Roy

44 David Backes

45 Mark Letestu

Which largely lacks Centres like the ones you describe... Do they not grow on trees?

Your list is a little wonky. because it's based totally on points.

Ryan Kesler

Saku Koivu

Logan Couture

Jeff Carter

David Krecji

Evgeni Malkin

Derek Stepan

Ryan O'Reilly

Those are the types of players Sam is competing against as #2C

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#185 toprightcorner
July 22 2013, 01:56PM
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Good signing for everyone and more importantly I would say MacT's first real test with contracts and he handled it very well, iven though it was last minute, he kept an asset for a few years without selling the farm. I'd give him a B++ on it as gagner had the most leverage.

If Gagner falls back to what he was doing prior to the lockout he will be overpaid, but not grossly overpaid where he gets the heat from the fans that Horcoff did and it is not concidered long term. If he stays the same, we can resign him at a slight increase. If he continues to improve then MacT has to decide which of the top 6 forwards he wants to keep and has great trading chips to work with.

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#186 2004Z06
July 22 2013, 01:57PM
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Steven wrote:

The biggest conceit of Oiler fans, in my opinion, is this presumption of eventual winning. The language on some of these posts is indicative of this. You often here "when we start winning", or "when we win the cup" etc. as if it's an eventual certainty. Oilers fans need to purge themselves of this nonsense in order to have sober analysis of the team. The "rebuild" is nothing but clever marketing, and you've all been duped.

You've all been convinced that winning is actually losing; that more patience is needed, not better management; and that a competitive team is just around the corner.

Not once have I ever used either of those statements. I have consistently stated that I want to see improvement year over year. I realize that a complete rebuild primarily through the draft takes time and I am not a fan of kool-aid, however any true fan with any semblance of hockey knowledge recognizes that there is always room for improvement.

I was and still am critical of the tanking for high picks approach and people throwing draft parties to celebrate yet another last place finish. It promotes a losing culture within the organization and the fanbase which is excatly what Mac T has stated needs to be culturally changed.

This is the one year I actually feel confident in our GM's ability to improve this team beyond "marketing"

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#187 Asian on Oilers Nation
July 22 2013, 02:01PM
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@Sanaa Montana

But I thought you said he's been trying to learn how to play D for * 7 * years now? Hmm........ Just bugging though. Let's hope he shuts all his critics/haters up. It's a win-win for both fan and team, right? Hate on the guy all you want, but at least cheer like hell.

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#188 Matt Henderson
July 22 2013, 02:03PM
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DSF wrote:

Your list is a little wonky. because it's based totally on points.

Ryan Kesler

Saku Koivu

Logan Couture

Jeff Carter

David Krecji

Evgeni Malkin

Derek Stepan

Ryan O'Reilly

Those are the types of players Sam is competing against as #2C

I think your inclusion of Malkin is wrong because he is clearly a 1B for Pittsburgh, but the rest of your list is fine.

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#189 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 02:09PM
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Matt Henderson wrote:

I think your inclusion of Malkin is wrong because he is clearly a 1B for Pittsburgh, but the rest of your list is fine.

Yep, Malkin is a 1C pretty well anywhere except Pittsburg.

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#190 Bank Shot
July 22 2013, 02:21PM
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DSF wrote:

Your list is a little wonky. because it's based totally on points.

Ryan Kesler

Saku Koivu

Logan Couture

Jeff Carter

David Krecji

Evgeni Malkin

Derek Stepan

Ryan O'Reilly

Those are the types of players Sam is competing against as #2C

Carter is a winger. Maybe you mean Mike Richards?

Stepan is the Rangers number one center. gagner is competing against Brassard.

What the heck is Saku Koivu doing in that list? hahaha

I think it's pretty clear that Gagner isn't a top 5 second line center. He could be a top 10-15 by the throughout his contract though.

That's not bad. You can win with that.

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#191 DSF
July 22 2013, 02:40PM
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Bank Shot wrote:

Carter is a winger. Maybe you mean Mike Richards?

Stepan is the Rangers number one center. gagner is competing against Brassard.

What the heck is Saku Koivu doing in that list? hahaha

I think it's pretty clear that Gagner isn't a top 5 second line center. He could be a top 10-15 by the throughout his contract though.

That's not bad. You can win with that.

Carter is a centre too but, yes I did mean Richards.

Brad Richards WAS the Rangers #1C until the bottom fell out.

That Stepan could step up and thrive tells you a lot about him.

Saku Koivu is on the list because Gagner has to compete against him.

He's certainly getting on in years but he still managed 27 points +4 last season and was over 51% on the dot.

Whether or not Malkin is a #2C or #1B is irrelevant, he plays #2C.

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#192 WhattaMike
July 22 2013, 02:48PM
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Geez Louise!!!!

Who has the stuoid audacity or can even try to think or believe it's correct that Gagner was overpaid on this new 3 yr contract???

$$.8 mil for three yrs average is a great deal with only one yr being with a NTC or NMC. He not only gave the Oilers a discount from the higher average deals of other same type players ($5 mil to $6.5 mil plus per yr) but he allowed for two of the three yrs that he can be tradeable....

He is now a very good trade and/or team asset, and when the cap ceiling keeps rising each of the next three years, he is really actually underpaid on this contract .... especially if he puts up 55 to 65 plus pts per season with Yak and Perron (as he should now) and he improves at both faceoffs and two way play.

He is not the worst centre I have watched on the Oilers lately (Belanger was and Smyth too but he was at least out of his normal position). I am thinking that with both Eakins and Acton running a tight hardworking ship this coming year, Gagner may have an even personal record season. If he does not, then he is absolutely tradeable at a very reasonable 2 yr contract price before the next free agency run starts...

Man...some people should actually think with sense before they write on here...lol. Now I need a cold beer after writing this...where's my fridge???

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#193 WhattaMike
July 22 2013, 02:49PM
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$$.8 mil per yr (mistake) in prior post lol means $4.8 per yr BTW..LOL Damn where is my beer??

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#194 messyEH!
July 22 2013, 03:43PM
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Now that Gagner is signed.Lets start the"Run The Nuge out of town campaign". I mean he's not as good as Crosby, or as big as Crosby. So it must be time to trade him. He cab only avoid tripping on the blue line for so long. Oh yeah his FO% is lower than Gags. I hear he is the 1st one of the clip clop table when it really matters.

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#195 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 04:04PM
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messyEH! wrote:

Now that Gagner is signed.Lets start the"Run The Nuge out of town campaign". I mean he's not as good as Crosby, or as big as Crosby. So it must be time to trade him. He cab only avoid tripping on the blue line for so long. Oh yeah his FO% is lower than Gags. I hear he is the 1st one of the clip clop table when it really matters.

Wow....that truly is messy....eh?

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#196 Clyde Frog
July 22 2013, 04:24PM
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DSF wrote:

Your list is a little wonky. because it's based totally on points.

Ryan Kesler

Saku Koivu

Logan Couture

Jeff Carter

David Krecji

Evgeni Malkin

Derek Stepan

Ryan O'Reilly

Those are the types of players Sam is competing against as #2C

So your list of comparables is 7 big...

So the other 23 teams all lack acceptable 2nd line centres?

I choose points because for a 2nd line offends is 75% of their job, if your 2nd line can't crack the top 45 in scoring for centres you have a problem.

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#197 Wax Man Riley
July 22 2013, 05:28PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Gave up what? No team in their right mind will ever pay Gagner more than what he got today. He will never earn or deserve $5mil a year.

He is only a 2nd line centre(if that) on a sh!tty Oiler team. I wonder what role, position, line he would play on with a good team.

He doesn't deserve a NTC for any year.

He wants to be on the Oilers more than the Oilers want him here. The linemates he will get will make him look good and worthy of that contract.

Just like Hemsky earned Horcoff and Smyth extra money-Hall and Eberle did the same for Gagner. Hemsky helped Gagner look good too.

I've gotten pretty quiet on here lately, but I had to weigh in on this.

Gagner didn't play with Hall and Eberle... or played very little with them. He had Hemsky and PRV or Smyth on his wing most of this year and last year.

by this logic, Thornton is no good, Lecavalier is no good, Kreji is no good, etc... because they play with talented wingers.

Soooo just to get this straight....for the record you're saying Hemsky (who everyone wants traded) and PRV or Smyth made Gagner better.

OK then

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#198 messyEH!
July 22 2013, 05:40PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Wow....that truly is messy....eh?

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Gagner is not our problem. The problem is/was a lack of actual NHL players. Very pitiful considering Edmonton spends to the cap. This season will be all addition by subtraction. Just need more centre depth.

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#199 OilClog
July 22 2013, 05:42PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

I've gotten pretty quiet on here lately, but I had to weigh in on this.

Gagner didn't play with Hall and Eberle... or played very little with them. He had Hemsky and PRV or Smyth on his wing most of this year and last year.

by this logic, Thornton is no good, Lecavalier is no good, Kreji is no good, etc... because they play with talented wingers.

Soooo just to get this straight....for the record you're saying Hemsky (who everyone wants traded) and PRV or Smyth made Gagner better.

OK then

Actually not everyone wants Hemsky traded, I'd say it's closer to 50/50..

We're never going to win a Hemsky trade, he's not even 30! a life long Oiler, playing on a damn broken foot last year and it ended up hurting his numbers at the end! Hemsky was better then any bottom 6 forward we had last year.. any single one of them! HE PLAYED ON A BROKEN FOOT!!! WHY ARE WE TRADING THIS?!?! Taylor Hall has publically stated, he wants Hemsky on the Oilers.. but here we are shipping him out.. FOR WHAT?!?! JESUS F MURPHY! When the next batch of Talent gets towards 30 lets ship them all out too!

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#200 nuge2nail
July 22 2013, 06:31PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

The term on this contract is perfect. If Gagner continues to improve on the pk, starts to win more face offs, and becomes a plus player he will earn a pay raise In three years.

If he doesn't oilers will trade him on the third year of this deal at the deadline.

Anyone else think Hall and Yakupov on his wings would be amazing.

Perron with Hopkins and Eberle.....

Wow start the season already :)

Ference and Gordan will help close out the games

No more late game heart Attacks

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