GAGNER SIGNS FOR THREE YEARS

Jason Gregor
July 22 2013 08:29AM

 

The Oilers and Sam Gagner agreed to a three-year extension hours before their scheduled arbitration hearing.

Yesterday, I wrote that a three-year deal made the most sense for both parties, and it seems they agreed.

Gagner will make $4.4 million this coming season and $5 million in 2014 and 2015, so his cap hit will be $4.8 million and he has a NMC, but it won't kick in until year two. (NMC usually includes a NTC, so I didn't write both), and like I wrote last night it might not include year three.

This deal works well for both sides.

Craig MacTavish made it clear the past two months that Gagner is the type of person and player the Oilers need. They like Gagner's leadership abilities and his desire to win. If Gagner can continue to progress offensively and improve his overall game, this will be a very good deal for the Oilers.

In three years, the salary cap could be at $75 million and giving Gagner another million a season shouldn't be a strain on their overall cap.

Gagner wanted to stay in Edmonton. He wants to win in Edmonton, and a three year deal only takes him two years into unrestricted free agency. Gagner will still be able test the free agent market as a 26/27 year old. (He'd be 26 when he signs a new deal, but 27 when the season starts).

I see this as a rare win-win for both sides.

The Oilers now have 14 forwards, 9 D-men and 2 goalies who will fight for a job on the opening day roster.

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Dubnyk and Labarbera

Oscar Klefbom will also be in the mix, but unless he has an outstanding preseason, I'd expect him to start the season in the AHL. He only played 11 games last season, so it makes sense to let him get used to the North American game in the AHL.

Wil Acton and Ryan Hamilton are also expected to compete for a job on the 4th line, and both of them are on two-way deals. Hamilton is scheduled to make $600,000 in the NHL and $300,000 in the AHL, which usually means the organization feels he has a better chance than Acton of making the team.

The Oilers need another centre, but they don't have much cap space left. If you believe Eager and Potter start in the minors the Oilers would have about $1.8 million in cap space.

The Gagner signing was good, but MacTavish still needs to  find some more depth down the middle.

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#2 Archaeologuy
July 22 2013, 10:45AM
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He gave up being the youngest ever UFA in a season where the Cap would likely jump by 6 million, he only took a 3 year deal, and he only has a NTC in 1 of those 3 years.

He couldnt have done the Oil more favours given his contract situation.

He held all the cards and decided to give some back to MacTavish.

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#3 gm_armchair
July 22 2013, 08:35AM
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Near perfect contract for the player and the team, wish it was one or two years longer but three's a good number at 4.8

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#4 Clyde Frog
July 22 2013, 11:18AM
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Gagner wins 46.5ish% of his draws.... Assuming he takes 2000 face offs next year (which is high estimate) and gets to 50.5% win rate....

That equates to an amazing 80 extra wins in the dot for the whole season.

That's right folks, winning almost a whole extra draw a game...

Yeah turf the smurf! Find us a 35 pt centre with a 50+% face off percentage!!! I am sure that extra draw a game will give us more return than the extra 20pts Sam would put up.

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#5 Ducey
July 22 2013, 10:16AM
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The NMC is largely irrelevant.

Lets say in two years they come to Sam and say "Sam, we have deal in place to send you to LA/PIT/PHI/DET/MTL/BOS/ (whoever it would be) for their playoff run, will you accept it?"

You think he is going to say no? How many people have said no to trade out of Edmonton?

I have been tracking Sam against his dad, who was a very similar player. Dave Gagner bounced between the minors and the NHL for 5 years after he was drafted in the first round. In draft year +6 he put up 78 points in 75 games. He went on to put up another 4 70+ pts seasons and become a great player.

Sam put up a bunch of 40+ pt NHL seasons. In draft year +6 (last yr) he put 38 pts in 48 games. Adjusted for a full season, thats 65 pts. Sam plays in more of a dead puck era, but if he follows in his dad's footsteps the Oilers should have a 65 pt player for the next 4-5 years.

Oh, and for you dumbasses that don't think Sam is a useful player: He was 17th in scoring among Centers in the NHL last year. That is by definition a #1 center.

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#6 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 22 2013, 11:55AM
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Gagner's Corsi collapse wasn't isolated.

If it was, an argument would be easier to build.

However, there is a context for this, as for all things adv. stats.

1. The entire 2 line collapsed.

2. the players on the 2 line (ie., Hemsky, Gagner) have a track record of fine Corsi numbers.

this is a very strange set of circumstances. Dellow has suffered mightily trying to sort it out.

I suspect the answer is pretty banal. These players were never miracle workers defensively. However, nor were they brutal. Last year was most likely an aberration caused by a variety of factors.

also, since when is DSF taking corsi seriously?

Oh, right, since it is an argument against Gagner.

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#7 Ei8HTYSE7EN
July 22 2013, 08:35AM
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Glad to have Gagner back at a great price.

5 year deal would have been better but this works for me.

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#8 LinkfromHyrule
July 22 2013, 08:45AM
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Considering the difference between the two parties was over 2 mil, I'm impressed that macT kept it under 5 mil and longer than one year. If there's one thing that irritates me about oilers fans it is that no matter what the team does someone will find something to cry about. Without gagner, we are screwed.

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#9 The Soup Fascist
July 22 2013, 11:08AM
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@Sanaa Montana

"Gave up what? No team in their right mind will ever pay Gagner more than what he got today. He will never earn or deserve $5mil a year."

Excellent comment. NHL GMs are renowned for their decision making in signing UFAs to reasonable contracts - especially when the cap goes up due to lucrative new television contracts. General Managers in the NHL have historically been very prudent in not overpaying good to above average point producers.

Clearly you have an excellent grasp on financial realities. I am in actuality a Nigerian Prince and think you would be a prime candidate as someone I would like to invest my millions with. There is just the small matter of the transaction fees. If you could just wire $10,000 to the following off-shore account ....

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#10 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 01:16PM
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Steven wrote:

The biggest conceit of Oiler fans, in my opinion, is this presumption of eventual winning. The language on some of these posts is indicative of this. You often here "when we start winning", or "when we win the cup" etc. as if it's an eventual certainty. Oilers fans need to purge themselves of this nonsense in order to have sober analysis of the team. The "rebuild" is nothing but clever marketing, and you've all been duped.

You've all been convinced that winning is actually losing; that more patience is needed, not better management; and that a competitive team is just around the corner.

Trust me on this Steven......this ( " as if its an eventual certainty " ) is what winners do!

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#11 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 22 2013, 08:40AM
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Great call on the years JG.

Good deal. I would rather last year they got him for 5 or 6 years at 4.2 AAV or thereabouts, but given the hammer Tambo gave Gagner, this was a real win for MacT.

He's killing it this summer so far. A lot more work to do, but so far the grade is a clear B+ with a hold on the other shoe.

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I don't know if you just wrote these names down as they came to you or if you are projecting a depth chart....

but if the latter, I'd take issue with your off-side moves and your low estimation of Belov.

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#12 Todd
July 22 2013, 08:58AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

That surplus exists on the wings. Gagner fills a spot with capabilities we don't need. 60 percent of the ice time will now have no physical presence at center OR the wings. The biggest weakness this team has has NOT been addressed.

(The sycophancy of the sports reporting world in Edmonton never ceases to amaze. As someone who in years past listened to and read the sports media of the NE US it truly is remarkable the free ride hockey execs get here)

So what would you have preferred Mr Smarty GM? Arbitration 1 year deal? Lose him for nothing?

I think we should have paid him $1 mil on a 2 way contract. But in the real world he had all the power.

I'd argue this is about as good as the team could have got. The alternative is to let him walk as a UFA or trade him for draft picks next spring. Not sure how that helps the team move forward.

In the real world, circumstance has to be factored in, not just what you want to pay someone or what you think they are worth vis a vis your needs on the team. Its a bit different than Xbox NHL GM mode.

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#13 Tom
July 22 2013, 09:33AM
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barry.moore23 wrote:

My vote doesn't count but I vote anyway to go back to the copper and midnite blue. The orange and blue is in the past. Keep pushin', boys.

No way. Keep the orange and blue. Best looking Unis in the league.

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#14 15w40
July 22 2013, 10:50AM
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The argument that Gagner on your team means you are a losing team is ludicrous.

The other option was to let him walk for nothing - then the same people would be on here saying what horrible asset management and stringing the GM up for that.

Gagner may not be here when they win, but in the here and now - for today this signing made sense compared to the alternatives available.

There was not a trade coming for a 230 lb 6'3" centerman. Other teams aren't going to give up a #1 or 1A defensemen for him.

Those guys weren't available as UFA's and if they were they probably weren't coming to Edmonton anyway.

Its all well and good to make all these moves in a vacuum but its not reality.

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#15 Bucknuck
July 22 2013, 10:53AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

He gave up being the youngest ever UFA in a season where the Cap would likely jump by 6 million, he only took a 3 year deal, and he only has a NTC in 1 of those 3 years.

He couldnt have done the Oil more favours given his contract situation.

He held all the cards and decided to give some back to MacTavish.

Arch. Welcome back! You are absolutely right. Gagner gave the Oil a home town discount, and people are still gonna rag on him. I wonder if all this negativity will die down if the Oil start winning this season.

And Steven, quit trolling.

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#16 rickithebear
July 22 2013, 10:59AM
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No team can win with a 2C like Gagner?

Top 20 in points for centers. top 10 in PP production top 10 in penalty kill

He is the only center in the game top 20 in points, PP, PK. Getzlaf was top 30 in all three.

Good to know getzlaf is a 2C!

Bahahahahahahaha!

Priceless!

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#17 Archaeologuy
July 22 2013, 11:06AM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Gave up what? No team in their right mind will ever pay Gagner more than what he got today. He will never earn or deserve $5mil a year.

He is only a 2nd line centre(if that) on a sh!tty Oiler team. I wonder what role, position, line he would play on with a good team.

He doesn't deserve a NTC for any year.

He wants to be on the Oilers more than the Oilers want him here. The linemates he will get will make him look good and worthy of that contract.

Just like Hemsky earned Horcoff and Smyth extra money-Hall and Eberle did the same for Gagner. Hemsky helped Gagner look good too.

You should probably take a look to see what UFAs actually get paid. Gagner will get his money, one way or the other. He took less to stay an Oiler 2 years past his Free Agency opportunity.

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#18 Ducey
July 22 2013, 11:18AM
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Steven wrote:

Hometown discount? Good lord.

I am not trolling. I am being critical. As one should be. I love the Oilers, and sometimes being critical is an expression of love.

You see. Fans like me, and others you may refer to as trolls have a mature kind of love for the Oilers. Like how a father may yell at their child for doing something dangerous, out of love. Whereas fans like yourself love them no matter what and see any dissent as "trolling." This is a childish love, like how a toddler sees Mommy as good no matter what.

Some fans need to wake up a smell the coffee, namely: that the oilers suck.

You are trolling. Go back under your bridge.

Just repeating the same ridiculous opinions without any evidence is the very defintion of trolling. How does "Oiler's suck" advance the conversation? (Hint: It doesn't)

I bet you would be thrilled if the Oilers traded Gagner for Couturier. After a while you would realize that 38pts is a hell of a lot better than 15. You would realize that Couturier's faceoff percentage was 43.9 last year (identical to Sam's) and gee, Sam seems to be playing better defence on his new team.

Playing defence and winning faceoffs are learned skills that tend to improve with experience. Sam has had a poor team and 4 coaches over the last 5 years. Give him a few years in a stable system with some support and he is likely to improve.

You know what doesn't tend to improve with experience? Talent. Sam can score points. You don't give up on those guys just because they are 2" shorter than the next guy.

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#19 Mark-LW
July 22 2013, 11:23AM
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Gagner is obviously not a defensive specialist shut down centre, but why does everyone think he is SO BAD that we should be trading away a top scoring centre who is in his early twenties?

Willis just tweeted about how in Gagner's last full season, his faceoff % only meant that he cost the team 16 faceoffs in AN ENTIRE YEAR compared to being 50%. That is nothing.

Also, his last two full seasons he has been one of the top forwards in terms of Corsi Rel and Corsi Rel - read: There are bigger problems defensively than him.

Good grief.

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#20 Bucknuck
July 22 2013, 11:31AM
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Steven wrote:

Hometown discount? Good lord.

I am not trolling. I am being critical. As one should be. I love the Oilers, and sometimes being critical is an expression of love.

You see. Fans like me, and others you may refer to as trolls have a mature kind of love for the Oilers. Like how a father may yell at their child for doing something dangerous, out of love. Whereas fans like yourself love them no matter what and see any dissent as "trolling." This is a childish love, like how a toddler sees Mommy as good no matter what.

Some fans need to wake up a smell the coffee, namely: that the oilers suck.

"Some fans need to wake up a smell the coffee, namely: that the oilers suck."

So you go on an Oilers fan page to pass your message. To free us from our hope and excitement of the season to come. Nice. What do you gain from this? Attention?

I will ignore you now, unless you can tell me what team you actually cheer for, so when the Oilers thrash them (and Gagner gets into a fight and gets two points in the win), I can trash talk a little.

Conversely, if your team wins, and then Gagner is the goat of the play that results in the GWG, then you can gloat a little.

For me, I am happy that Gagner is staying since I think he's actually the grittiest forward in our top six (boy I wish we had a more robust winger), and I will enjoy watching his career progress with the team I cheer for.

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#21 2004Z06
July 22 2013, 01:00PM
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Holy crap, the sky is falling, the sky is falling. I just prop'd a DSF post!

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#22 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 01:31PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Ok, can the Gagner posts, and trade Gagner comments stop now. He is signed and has a NTC. So we can all stop now right?

And before someone points out the NTC does not start until next year, think about if he got traded. What does this do to the oilers reputation.

SO THE GAGNER POSTS CAN STOP NOW? RIGHT?

This is a thread about Gagner and you want to stop the Gagner posts?

You think that if the Oilers trade a player it hurts their reputation somehow. Remember this is the team that traded Gretzky. Sam Gagner is no Gretzky.

Every team tries to get better any way possible. That even includes trades. No one is un-tradable for the right price.

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#23 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 04:04PM
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messyEH! wrote:

Now that Gagner is signed.Lets start the"Run The Nuge out of town campaign". I mean he's not as good as Crosby, or as big as Crosby. So it must be time to trade him. He cab only avoid tripping on the blue line for so long. Oh yeah his FO% is lower than Gags. I hear he is the 1st one of the clip clop table when it really matters.

Wow....that truly is messy....eh?

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#26 Bigfan
July 22 2013, 08:45AM
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This is pretty good for MacT given the situation. The Oil still have an asset with some value: The NTC does not kick in for a year and at that point Sam is available for 2 years at $5m per year so he could be an attractive option for another team in a trade. MacT now has a year to find a 2C that will take the team to the next level. He could have done much worse. Hopefully Yak, Nuge and J Schultz can be locked up long term as masterfully!

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#27 marty62
July 22 2013, 08:56AM
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I have to laugh about the people saying the oilers have plenty of guys like Gagner. For offensive centers we have 2 that are NHL players. Gagner and Nuge, and Nuge likely wont be healthy until novemberish.... I cant wait to see Gagner put up some big numbers with Yak and Perron on his wings.....

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#28 Craig1981
July 22 2013, 09:08AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

That surplus exists on the wings. Gagner fills a spot with capabilities we don't need. 60 percent of the ice time will now have no physical presence at center OR the wings. The biggest weakness this team has has NOT been addressed.

(The sycophancy of the sports reporting world in Edmonton never ceases to amaze. As someone who in years past listened to and read the sports media of the NE US it truly is remarkable the free ride hockey execs get here)

Ya, who needs a centerman that can put up 60-7p points thats one of the most fit players in the NHL

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#29 The Soup Fascist
July 22 2013, 09:14AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

That surplus exists on the wings. Gagner fills a spot with capabilities we don't need. 60 percent of the ice time will now have no physical presence at center OR the wings. The biggest weakness this team has has NOT been addressed.

(The sycophancy of the sports reporting world in Edmonton never ceases to amaze. As someone who in years past listened to and read the sports media of the NE US it truly is remarkable the free ride hockey execs get here)

Because someones opinion differs from yours they are suddenly sycophants, towing the party line?

In large, the media has been rightly critical of Oilers management. There is a long list of guys, Gregor included, mainstream and non-MSM, who have asked the tough questions and been critical. Do you not remember Lowe losing his mind when asked about his capabilities, spurring on the "six rings" comments.

Gagner's signing today is not about whether he is a great 2nd line center - it is about protecting an asset. Period.

Feel free to enlighten us on your evaluation of talent, Gagner's or anyone else,or line combinations or suitability to play a certain role - that is what this blog is for. But please give me a break in playing the "company man" card because someone happens to agree with the occasional move a GM makes. It appears your comments are not based on logic or fact, but rather because the position disagrees with your view of the world - such as it is.

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#30 barry.moore23
July 22 2013, 09:23AM
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My vote doesn't count but I vote anyway to go back to the copper and midnite blue. The orange and blue is in the past. Keep pushin', boys.

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#31 NewfoundlandOil
July 22 2013, 09:29AM
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I really don't understand how some posters do not like this deal. This seems an obvious fit for both player and team.

I suspect regardless of the deal a certain population will have their panties in a bind, simply because they always do. You know who you are.

Anyway, a great deal for the Oilers and another feather in MacT's cap.

Wow two complete scoring lines, when did we last see that?

Edit: Also, did anyone ever think that this team was going to be constructed into a a success without giving some NMC/NTC to high end players. I think to expect that would be unrealistic.

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#32 PutzStew
July 22 2013, 10:11AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

BIG mistake.

Nice guys with skill sets the oil has in surplus should be traded - not given NTC contracts.

Classic case of 'falling in love with the inventory.'

Actually is was a case of signing him or losing him for nothing because management had backed themselves into a corner. He's signed for a reasonable price and he can still be traded, if that is what MacT wants to do.

If it went to arbitration, they couldn't trade him for one year, and by then he would have been a free agent.

@Jason Gregor or anyone in the know. I can't seem to get an answer on this, but can a player be traded after they file for arbitration?

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#33 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
July 22 2013, 10:24AM
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Not really related at all to the article, but how great would it be if each user's profile contained a freeform text field that allowed them to 'lock in' various types of predictions so they can be scrutinized after-the-fact.

It would definitely help to provide a little context when casual users like myself are reading posts from users I know nothing about. WhattaMike's post above is a great example of the type of content that could go in there.

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#34 2004Z06
July 22 2013, 10:58AM
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Steven wrote:

Wakey-wakey people.

Bottom line: the Oilers won't go anywhere as a team with Gagner as a number 2 center.

If the Oilers actually want to build a competitive team they need a center who can win face-offs and play defence.

More mediocrity to come. But hey, keep congratulating yourselves.

Wakey-wakey Steven. We all know this! The point here is that we bought some time to find a legit big #2 C and avoid losing Sam as an asset for nothing next year.

We can wish in one hand and crap in the other. See which fills up first.

Everyone screaming for a big, strong, defensively responsible, puck possesion, face off winning #2 C is great, but teams aren't giving those away because everyone is looking for one and there are none available in FA.

Sam is our ONLY 2C option right now!

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SAMMI SWEETHEART!

I wonder how Tambellini would have handled this?

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#36 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 11:27AM
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This is Mac Terrific !!!

RIGHT TERM !

RIGHT PRICE !

NTC ONLY IN YEAR TWO MEANS HE'S STILL TRADABLE !

After years of developing him, we get to see what he can do in his prime !

WOW !

And I'm not even a BIG Sam Gagner fan. But I love this deal!

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#37 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 11:42AM
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I give big PROPS to Gagner too.....he was in a position to become a UFA next year and thus could hold us hostage to longer term, higher salary, and full NTC.....instead he was reasonable and signed a contract that calls on him to 1) improve his game if he wants to stay here and 2) presents no threat to us as far as the threat of a boat anchor contract.....

Sam obviously has confidence that he can improve his game under Eakins and can legitimately EARN his spot on the cup contending Oilers.

While I still have my doubts about Gagner's ability to be an impact player in a playoff scenario....This contract really boosts my opinion of the character of Sam Gagner.......and buys time to find out if I'm right or wrong about that playoff scenario concern.......honestly and really hoping he proves me wrong......and establishes himself as a proven playoff performer...

BRAVO GAGNER !!!!

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#38 Tikkanese
July 22 2013, 12:09PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Gagner wins 46.5ish% of his draws.... Assuming he takes 2000 face offs next year (which is high estimate) and gets to 50.5% win rate....

That equates to an amazing 80 extra wins in the dot for the whole season.

That's right folks, winning almost a whole extra draw a game...

Yeah turf the smurf! Find us a 35 pt centre with a 50+% face off percentage!!! I am sure that extra draw a game will give us more return than the extra 20pts Sam would put up.

Exactly. Negative Nancy's way overrate faceoffs. Even Mac-T said people overrate faceoffs, stating that only 1/40 lost faceoffs in your own zone end up in your net within 30 seconds. Those draws aren't typically your top two centers jobs anyways.

If your math is correct that's 2 goals extra a season against us if all of those draws were in our zone, which they aren't, just saying to be generous. Sam's offence way more than makes up for the supposed negative effect of his 80 extra lost draws a season.

You could argue other areas of his defensive game need improvement but to harp on faceoffs is ridiculous. That said, Sam has improved in nearly every category each and every year and there's no reason to think that he won't continue to improve as he is still only 23.

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#39 @Oilanderp
July 22 2013, 12:21PM
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MacT!

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#40 DSF
July 22 2013, 12:30PM
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Darrell wrote:

Absolutely correct but this is a player vs team. i am not sure he is the problem or solution but money and term was perfect in a difficult circumstance. Now we has a tradable contract and a window to make a decision.

Yeah. I think this is a win-win deal.

To me, Gagner is likely a $4.5M player but, given the leverage Gagner had, I think MacT did very well here.

Avoiding another Horcoff-type contract and not risking losing Gagner for nothing next season is a very good compromise.

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#41 Mark-LW
July 22 2013, 01:05PM
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To people who were worried that Gagner would end up with a Horcoff-esque contract and become un-tradeable:

If you adjust for salary differences at the time their contracts were signed, Gagner would have had to be rewarded a cap hit of $6.2 million, far more than the low 5's that people were sweating.

Then there is the fact that Horcoff's contract started for his age 31 season, obviously past his prime years. And then consider that Horcoff never showed even close to Gagner's offensive potential at a young age (it wasn't until Horcoff's fourth season in NCAA where he cracked a point per game).

There is always the risk that the bottom could completely fall out from him, but I would take my chances on a 6 season .62 points per game player who is not yet 24.

Trying to compare Gagner's situation to Horcoff's is quite ridiculous IMO.

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#42 Clyde Frog
July 22 2013, 01:34PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Mac-T did great. The contract had to be done or he walked. No issue at all with the contract.

My issue is Sam as 2C.

Get a two way, gritty 2C someone tough to play against. The Oilers are way too soft. Especially in the top six no grit whatsoever. Then move Sam to the wing or move Sam for the 2C the team needs to be a contender.

Could you list 10-20 2nd line two-way, gritty, tough to play against centers currently in the league?

Looking at the 31-45 Centres in production last season (and ignoring that Gagner was 17)

You get this list:

31 Vincent Lecavalier

32 Bryan Little

33 Joe Pavelski

34 Jonathan Huberdeau

35 Jordan Staal

36 Tyler Ennis

37 Lars Eller

38 Kyle Turris

39 Derick Brassard

40 Frans Nielsen

41 Tyler Bozak

42 David Desharnais

43 Derek Roy

44 David Backes

45 Mark Letestu

Which largely lacks Centres like the ones you describe... Do they not grow on trees?

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#43 WhattaMike
July 22 2013, 02:49PM
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$$.8 mil per yr (mistake) in prior post lol means $4.8 per yr BTW..LOL Damn where is my beer??

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#44 Naky
July 22 2013, 08:23PM
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Wish people would stop harping on the NTC. There was a really good personal reason why Gagner wanted and needed the comfort and security of not being traded for at least two years, which was the minimum amount of time needed. Not gonna get into his personal life, but it wasn't so much about the money or the length of the term (though they would be nice too) but that bit of security was really important to him. This is likely what MacT was referencing when he said he didn't fully understand the terms that Gagner's camp had laid out to him before so the deal could get done sooner.

Knowing everything involved, you wouldn't be slamming MacT or the Oilers for the NTC but instead congratulating them on being classy gentlemen when they could have played hardball businessmen. It's the little things like this for players that can go a long way to making the city more desireable for players to come in the future.

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#45 StuckOutHere
July 22 2013, 08:39AM
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I like it. Now we just need a bottom 6. Isn't that what mact said needed fixing the most?

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#46 Oilcruzer
July 22 2013, 08:51AM
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This works. Still would have preferred a modded NMC. Shorter term is fair tradeoff. Gives assessment time and doesn't penalize Oil for choosing to develop Sam in the show.

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#47 sizzler
July 22 2013, 08:57AM
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Great deal for both parties. Gagner gets good money and still a UFA in Prime. Oilers get a competitive player at reasonable price anlong with time to see what player like lander, Khaira and others are going to turn out. In 3 yrs if any beat gagner to that second line role, oilers win the deal.

Trading hemmer will make room for 1 more signing.

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#48 Mark-LW
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That surplus exists on the wings. Gagner fills a spot with capabilities we don't need. 60 percent of the ice time will now have no physical presence at center OR the wings. The biggest weakness this team has has NOT been addressed.

(The sycophancy of the sports reporting world in Edmonton never ceases to amaze. As someone who in years past listened to and read the sports media of the NE US it truly is remarkable the free ride hockey execs get here)

Edmonton was 18th last year in goals per game. A clear surplus of scoring forwards.

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#49 Dman09
July 22 2013, 09:41AM
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Doesn't Mac-T keep stating he sees Sam as a winger?

The Journal reports the NMC-NTC kicks in next year.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Gagner+seals+three+year+million+deal/8691270/story.html

There is still time to get the second line center the team needs.

Gagner on the wing sure, fine. Second line center not so much.

Exactly, I have no problem with the deal he signed just don't think it is right to have him at Center. As it stands right now nothing has changed at center all said and done. There is really only one guy that can consistently win faceoffs and that is a big problem from my perspective.

I have a feeling they will try Hall out at Center this season, if it doesn't work they will likely trade Gagner for a center before the NTC kicks in. But if Hall excels at center, and I think he will, then they will keep Gagner to play the wing.

In Reality MacT has set himself up with options later this season while keeping the player happy. Very good plan for the future should things not work out.

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#50 Soccer Steve
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Love it that people are complaining about this as if you had any real say to being with.

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