GAGNER SIGNS FOR THREE YEARS

Jason Gregor
July 22 2013 08:29AM

 

The Oilers and Sam Gagner agreed to a three-year extension hours before their scheduled arbitration hearing.

Yesterday, I wrote that a three-year deal made the most sense for both parties, and it seems they agreed.

Gagner will make $4.4 million this coming season and $5 million in 2014 and 2015, so his cap hit will be $4.8 million and he has a NMC, but it won't kick in until year two. (NMC usually includes a NTC, so I didn't write both), and like I wrote last night it might not include year three.

This deal works well for both sides.

Craig MacTavish made it clear the past two months that Gagner is the type of person and player the Oilers need. They like Gagner's leadership abilities and his desire to win. If Gagner can continue to progress offensively and improve his overall game, this will be a very good deal for the Oilers.

In three years, the salary cap could be at $75 million and giving Gagner another million a season shouldn't be a strain on their overall cap.

Gagner wanted to stay in Edmonton. He wants to win in Edmonton, and a three year deal only takes him two years into unrestricted free agency. Gagner will still be able test the free agent market as a 26/27 year old. (He'd be 26 when he signs a new deal, but 27 when the season starts).

I see this as a rare win-win for both sides.

The Oilers now have 14 forwards, 9 D-men and 2 goalies who will fight for a job on the opening day roster.

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Jones-Gordon-Hemsky
Smyth-Lander-Joensuu
Brown-Eager

J.Schultz-Ference
Smid-Petry
N.Schultz-Grebeshkov
Potter-Larsen
Belov

Dubnyk and Labarbera

Oscar Klefbom will also be in the mix, but unless he has an outstanding preseason, I'd expect him to start the season in the AHL. He only played 11 games last season, so it makes sense to let him get used to the North American game in the AHL.

Wil Acton and Ryan Hamilton are also expected to compete for a job on the 4th line, and both of them are on two-way deals. Hamilton is scheduled to make $600,000 in the NHL and $300,000 in the AHL, which usually means the organization feels he has a better chance than Acton of making the team.

The Oilers need another centre, but they don't have much cap space left. If you believe Eager and Potter start in the minors the Oilers would have about $1.8 million in cap space.

The Gagner signing was good, but MacTavish still needs to  find some more depth down the middle.

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#151 Sanaa Montana
July 22 2013, 12:10PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

I give big PROPS to Gagner too.....he was in a position to become a UFA next year and thus could hold us hostage to longer term, higher salary, and full NTC.....instead he was reasonable and signed a contract that calls on him to 1) improve his game if he wants to stay here and 2) presents no threat to us as far as the threat of a boat anchor contract.....

Sam obviously has confidence that he can improve his game under Eakins and can legitimately EARN his spot on the cup contending Oilers.

While I still have my doubts about Gagner's ability to be an impact player in a playoff scenario....This contract really boosts my opinion of the character of Sam Gagner.......and buys time to find out if I'm right or wrong about that playoff scenario concern.......honestly and really hoping he proves me wrong......and establishes himself as a proven playoff performer...

BRAVO GAGNER !!!!

If he hasn't proved or convinced you of that yet-why do you give him the time and the patience to keep trying? Why do you believe some miracle will occur come a play-off game?

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#152 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 22 2013, 12:10PM
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DSF wrote:

My only problem with Corsi is that it rewards failure by including blocked and missed shots.

Shot differential, to me, is a closer measure.

Those who try and use Corsi as a "possession" metric are trying to use a chainsaw to crack a walnut.

During this past season, TSN actually started to use a device that actually measures time...you know...a stopwatch.

Fenwick is a solid possession stat, which ignores blocked shots.

No one uses Corsi alone as a possession stat. it is an indicator. a flawed one but one none the less.

CBC used a stopwatch at some point too and has used "total shot attempts" (i.e., corsi), but not with regularity.

more info would be great.

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#153 DSF
July 22 2013, 12:10PM
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DSF - sometimes regular season stats don't mean sh!t. If you need an examples look in your own backyard ....

They mean a lot if you never make the playoffs.

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#154 DSF
July 22 2013, 12:12PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Fenwick is a solid possession stat, which ignores blocked shots.

No one uses Corsi alone as a possession stat. it is an indicator. a flawed one but one none the less.

CBC used a stopwatch at some point too and has used "total shot attempts" (i.e., corsi), but not with regularity.

more info would be great.

It should be relatively simple to take Time of Possession to the next level through the use of technology.

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#155 Sanaa Montana
July 22 2013, 12:13PM
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Asian on Oilers Nation wrote:

How old is Gagner again?? He wasn't rushed into the NHL at the age of 18, was he?

Gagner is 24, he can only be 24 once.

I don't know if he was rushed into the NHL, but that was 6 years ago.

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#156 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 12:15PM
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“We as an organization have to start rewarding people who really embody the characteristics that we hold in high regard going forward,” said MacTavish. “Sam, in my mind, really fits that."

Slap the C on his chest. The kid wants to be here. Put away the negativity that most of you feel because of this whole arbitration ordeal, its a business.that's his agents job. Thank you mark and JW for pointing out that faceoff stat. He's really not that bad, and he will improve. I could keep going, but if all you have against him is his height then don't say Sams a bad player.

For the love of all things blue and orange Hall has to be the next Captain.

I would give to Smid or Ebs before Sam.

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#157 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 12:16PM
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DSF wrote:

They mean a lot if you never make the playoffs.

They mean everything you never make the playoffs.

Great line DSF.

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#158 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 22 2013, 12:16PM
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DSF wrote:

It should be relatively simple to take Time of Possession to the next level through the use of technology.

You'd think that... and it would be true... and yet?

The NHL moves at a snail's pace on virtually everything.

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#159 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 12:19PM
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‪‎Oilers‬ forwards Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle have been invited to Hockey Canada's Olympic Orientation Camp!

Great news!!!

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#160 Darrell
July 22 2013, 12:21PM
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DSF wrote:

They mean a lot if you never make the playoffs.

Absolutely correct but this is a player vs team. i am not sure he is the problem or solution but money and term was perfect in a difficult circumstance. Now we has a tradable contract and a window to make a decision.

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#161 Old Soldier
July 22 2013, 12:23PM
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Question for some of the old timers or insiders on here, it may seem a bit extreme but considering Mact's "bold" statement.

If the Oilers can move Hemsky for spare parts that would leave them with over $6 million in cap space for next year.

If the Hemsky move were to happen, what would the Oilers have to give up to swing a deal with the LA kings for Clifford and Lewis. While neither has lived up to potential as top 6 players for the Kings, both players are exactly what the Oilers are looking for as 3rd line wingers, and perhaps add a touch of scoring.

The kings have $1.5 mill in space before signing the 2 players so they wouldnt want much as roster players....what about picks and prospects.....and the Oilers should have enough to sign both for next season.

Anyways, just curious

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#162 Sanaa Montana
July 22 2013, 12:24PM
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We need players that can win face-off! Face-off aren't that big of a deal anyway! If there was a full season, he was on pace for a career year! Last year was a wash for everybody!

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#163 oldhippy
July 22 2013, 12:25PM
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@Sanaa Montana

Have a gander at what Tampa Bay paid to sign Filppula, and look at his numbers. He doesn't hit, not much taller than Gagner, same weight. He doesn't fight. He's not abrasive, and at 29, he's likely all that he can be. He signed at 5X$5m. He had one good season. The rest of his season were similar or worse than Gagner, point wise. Had he went to arbitration, this is the sort of contract they would have looked at. I'm betting an arbitrator would have given Gagner at least his new cap hit. At the end of the season the Oilers would have one extra roster spot but no asset to trade. Yeah, that would have been smart.

I'm not saying Gagner is the perfect 2nd C, especially behind RNH, but who would you suggest, and where would he come from?

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#164 LinkfromHyrule
July 22 2013, 12:27PM
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Oh man there are some trolls in here this morning. Just gross how subjective people can be when it comes to players like Gagner. You hate the guy and want to get rid of him but who replaces him? Anton Lander, Boyd Gordon, or Mark Arcobello? Now THAT is a trip to a lottery pick again

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#165 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 12:28PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

If he hasn't proved or convinced you of that yet-why do you give him the time and the patience to keep trying? Why do you believe some miracle will occur come a play-off game?

Because he's 24 talented....and has never had the opportunity.....

plus ....Dallas Eakins....

Plus ...the team will be a better team for a lot of reasons that are obvious to me.

Trust me.....these things are neither mathematical.....nor linear......

It's not a matter of magic.....but team systems and chemistry and age/experience of the team play a huge role in players of all kinds reaching their potential.

LOTS of guys like Brodziak, Glencross, Lupul etc have been cast off here before they reached their potential.

Do I want a bigger tougher all round 2nd line center....sure I do.....but that has no bearing on this being a great deal for the Oilers and for Sam Gagner.

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#166 Sanaa Montana
July 22 2013, 12:35PM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

I'm sorry, I can't share your perception and I don't share your optimism about Gagner. Arguing opinions would be foolish.

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#167 Ducey
July 22 2013, 12:35PM
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‪‎Oilers‬ forwards Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle have been invited to Hockey Canada's Olympic Orientation Camp!

Great news!!!

Yak to the Russian one, too. (three)

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#168 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 12:37PM
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DSF wrote:

Yeah. I think this is a win-win deal.

To me, Gagner is likely a $4.5M player but, given the leverage Gagner had, I think MacT did very well here.

Avoiding another Horcoff-type contract and not risking losing Gagner for nothing next season is a very good compromise.

Man....I've been trying to hold back over the last couple of days.....but I'm breaking down......

DSF...your posts have been extremely impressive over the last little while.....seriously....

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#169 DSF
July 22 2013, 12:43PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Man....I've been trying to hold back over the last couple of days.....but I'm breaking down......

DSF...your posts have been extremely impressive over the last little while.....seriously....

Always call em as I see em.

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#170 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 12:43PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

I'm sorry, I can't share your perception and I don't share your optimism about Gagner. Arguing opinions would be foolish.

No worries....you are respectful in your disagreement....I hope I have been too....

Like they say, the world would be a pretty boring place if we all had the same opinion about everything .

I think that you and I both agree that the threat of Gagner being a non factor in the playoffs is a very real thing....

The main difference is that I have reason to believe that we could be wrong about that...whereas you do not.

Can I ask you, do you hope we're wrong?

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#171 Tim
July 22 2013, 12:45PM
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Love this deal. I hope this is an indication of how MacT will negotiate future deals with RFAs. Gagner is exactly the kind of young leader the Oilers need in their dressing room, and if his point production from last season continues next year this will be a great deal.

Having said all that, I suspect that MacT will assess Gagner in Jan/Feb and make a decision as to whether or not he is the right player for the 2C spot. I think he fits well there, but we need size in our top 6 and four of the 6 are likely not going anywhere. I could see him getting moved before his NMC kicks in. A young 50-70 point centre at a 4.8 million cap hit with years left on his deal has lots of value- and the Oilers have holes to fill.

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#172 Butters
July 22 2013, 12:57PM
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We have too much skill. What we need is a bigger less skilled centre who wins 4 more out of every 100 face-offs he takes than does Gagner. Other players will be licking their chops at a chance to line up against Yakupov-Gagner-Perron.

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#173 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 01:00PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Maybe after the next six years , it might be some kind of funky cycle. Come on give him a chance.Then six more and you have 666.Scary kids.

Did you like the contract?

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#174 Grounded Star
July 22 2013, 01:00PM
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I'd love to see Brule back in town on a PTO to deal with the depth at center.

I'd also be extremely happy if there was a deal to be made moving Hemsky, a L shot D man (probably N Schultz given our depth chart) and a mid level prospect or 2 for either a big forward to play in the bottom 6 with decent hands, or a big mean defenseman.

Problem is I'm pretty sure Hemsky and Nick Schultz doesn't get you that, and we are low on other moving parts, unless we've decided to move out Eberle, which I don't want to see.

I guess these rebuilds really do take time to shape up, especially when you change your GM partway through.

At least the GM change so far seems to be an upgrade.

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#175 Will
July 22 2013, 01:01PM
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I know last year was an abbreviated season and everything, but Gagner would have been the top point producer on a large list of teams. Not to mention he would have had the second most points on some very very good teams like Annaheim as well.

To get most teams' top point producer under contract for three years at a cap hit of 4.8 on average is very reasonable. The deal is a good one, if not a great one for a player like this.

Unfortunately, the Oilers really aren't going to be helped too much by a player like this, and it sounds like most fans are upset at having another three years with a player that can put up points, but not make an impact.

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#176 Pouzar99
July 22 2013, 01:04PM
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Okay, Gagner is signed. That leaves the Oil with $1,348,333 in Cap space, assuming Eager and Klefbom stay in OKC. That covers 13 forwards, 9 D men and two goalies. What do they do now? They can stand pat of course, but the bottom six could use some improvement in both size and skill. Say picking up a 4th line center and leaving Lander ($900,000 per) as an OKC callup. Surely at least one D man will be moved, most likely Potter ($775,000) and maybe N Schultz ($3.5 mil). Might still be possible to squeeze in Clifford or Abdelkader for picks and prospects. There is no real prospect of addressing the number one need - acquiring a minute munching legit top pairing D man. They may be prepared to wait and hope J Schultz, Klefbom or Nurse grow into that player. Eventually. Trading Hemmer for a very aggressive third line junkyard dog would be ideal and would open up Cap space, but for various reasons seems unlikely right now. So this might be it, but I think there is one more move coming before the season starts and likely one more during the season, involving Hemsky.

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#177 Rocket
July 22 2013, 01:11PM
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I think MacT did the best he could given his negotiating position but Gagner still won the deal. It's an overpay but now we're stuck watching him play in Edmonton for the next while so I'm cautiously optimistic.

I like Gagner's character & compete level so I hope he does well.

I'm most interested how well he (or any player) plays under Eakins. Maybe a new coach will make a big difference in his defensive game? I suppose that depends on the system though.

Well at least we have a polarizing player to cheer for/complain about for the next few years.

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#178 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 01:13PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Mac-T did good again.

He retained a tradable asset. If they cannot move Sam to the wing by bringing in a solid number 2C then he can be moved for one. Perhaps with a little sweetener in there a prospect , one of the many 5-6 defencman , Hemsky or Shultz the elder.

I'm old....I can barely remember my last post.....went back to find this......because I was pretty sure we were in agreement......and we are...... What you've said here is the primary point to the deal....

personally I would just add..that given all the circumstances.....this is a GREAT deal....

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#179 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 01:14PM
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Ducey wrote:

Yak to the Russian one, too. (three)

Maybe Smid and Petry too!!!

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#180 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 01:19PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Did you like the contract?

Mac-T did great. The contract had to be done or he walked. No issue at all with the contract.

My issue is Sam as 2C.

Get a two way, gritty 2C someone tough to play against. The Oilers are way too soft. Especially in the top six no grit whatsoever. Then move Sam to the wing or move Sam for the 2C the team needs to be a contender.

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#181 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 01:26PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Mac-T did great. The contract had to be done or he walked. No issue at all with the contract.

My issue is Sam as 2C.

Get a two way, gritty 2C someone tough to play against. The Oilers are way too soft. Especially in the top six no grit whatsoever. Then move Sam to the wing or move Sam for the 2C the team needs to be a contender.

Exactly. And i think its exponentially harder to eventually get that big 2C without getting this deal done...the way it got done.

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#182 dougtheslug
July 22 2013, 01:29PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Fenwick is a solid possession stat, which ignores blocked shots.

No one uses Corsi alone as a possession stat. it is an indicator. a flawed one but one none the less.

CBC used a stopwatch at some point too and has used "total shot attempts" (i.e., corsi), but not with regularity.

more info would be great.

In Europe they use GPS monitors on players to measure distance run (and managers's know when to sub a player on objective measure). I think that could give lots of interesting and accurate info on NHL players - it would really give accurate data re: how far and where a player skates on a shift, where they end up static (on d in their own zone vs. cycling the puck in the o zone) etc etc

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#183 dougtheslug
July 22 2013, 01:31PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

In Europe they use GPS monitors on players to measure distance run (and managers's know when to sub a player on objective measure). I think that could give lots of interesting and accurate info on NHL players - it would really give accurate data re: how far and where a player skates on a shift, where they end up static (on d in their own zone vs. cycling the puck in the o zone) etc etc

I am of course referring to soccer players. I'm not sure if hockey teams are using that technology yet.

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#184 DSF
July 22 2013, 01:33PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

In Europe they use GPS monitors on players to measure distance run (and managers's know when to sub a player on objective measure). I think that could give lots of interesting and accurate info on NHL players - it would really give accurate data re: how far and where a player skates on a shift, where they end up static (on d in their own zone vs. cycling the puck in the o zone) etc etc

It should also be pretty simple to put sensors at the blue line to determine how much time players spend in the Ozone and Dzone.

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#185 Dave
July 22 2013, 01:37PM
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All I ask is that he keeps he quits chewing on his mouthguard.

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#186 dougtheslug
July 22 2013, 01:38PM
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DSF wrote:

It should also be pretty simple to put sensors at the blue line to determine how much time players spend in the Ozone and Dzone.

The technology is simple, available and cheap - surprising it isn't being used. Makes stop watches and counting shots look pretty stone-age.

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#187 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 01:38PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Could you list 10-20 2nd line two-way, gritty, tough to play against centers currently in the league?

Looking at the 31-45 Centres in production last season (and ignoring that Gagner was 17)

You get this list:

31 Vincent Lecavalier

32 Bryan Little

33 Joe Pavelski

34 Jonathan Huberdeau

35 Jordan Staal

36 Tyler Ennis

37 Lars Eller

38 Kyle Turris

39 Derick Brassard

40 Frans Nielsen

41 Tyler Bozak

42 David Desharnais

43 Derek Roy

44 David Backes

45 Mark Letestu

Which largely lacks Centres like the ones you describe... Do they not grow on trees?

Nope they don't grow on trees but if you want to contend you need one. They also need a true 1D .

Lots of work to be done yet.

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#188 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 22 2013, 01:42PM
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@dougtheslug

There has been some speculation about the various unpublished stats the teams keep.

I wouldn't be surprised if they used something like this, or simply had a guy with a stopwatch.

at any rate, as long as it isn't publicly available you are counting on some intrepid person with a lot of commitment, time and willing to work for free to come up with something.

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#189 toprightcorner
July 22 2013, 01:56PM
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Good signing for everyone and more importantly I would say MacT's first real test with contracts and he handled it very well, iven though it was last minute, he kept an asset for a few years without selling the farm. I'd give him a B++ on it as gagner had the most leverage.

If Gagner falls back to what he was doing prior to the lockout he will be overpaid, but not grossly overpaid where he gets the heat from the fans that Horcoff did and it is not concidered long term. If he stays the same, we can resign him at a slight increase. If he continues to improve then MacT has to decide which of the top 6 forwards he wants to keep and has great trading chips to work with.

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#190 2004Z06
July 22 2013, 01:57PM
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Steven wrote:

The biggest conceit of Oiler fans, in my opinion, is this presumption of eventual winning. The language on some of these posts is indicative of this. You often here "when we start winning", or "when we win the cup" etc. as if it's an eventual certainty. Oilers fans need to purge themselves of this nonsense in order to have sober analysis of the team. The "rebuild" is nothing but clever marketing, and you've all been duped.

You've all been convinced that winning is actually losing; that more patience is needed, not better management; and that a competitive team is just around the corner.

Not once have I ever used either of those statements. I have consistently stated that I want to see improvement year over year. I realize that a complete rebuild primarily through the draft takes time and I am not a fan of kool-aid, however any true fan with any semblance of hockey knowledge recognizes that there is always room for improvement.

I was and still am critical of the tanking for high picks approach and people throwing draft parties to celebrate yet another last place finish. It promotes a losing culture within the organization and the fanbase which is excatly what Mac T has stated needs to be culturally changed.

This is the one year I actually feel confident in our GM's ability to improve this team beyond "marketing"

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#191 Asian on Oilers Nation
July 22 2013, 02:01PM
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@Sanaa Montana

But I thought you said he's been trying to learn how to play D for * 7 * years now? Hmm........ Just bugging though. Let's hope he shuts all his critics/haters up. It's a win-win for both fan and team, right? Hate on the guy all you want, but at least cheer like hell.

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#192 Archaeologuy
July 22 2013, 02:03PM
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DSF wrote:

Your list is a little wonky. because it's based totally on points.

Ryan Kesler

Saku Koivu

Logan Couture

Jeff Carter

David Krecji

Evgeni Malkin

Derek Stepan

Ryan O'Reilly

Those are the types of players Sam is competing against as #2C

I think your inclusion of Malkin is wrong because he is clearly a 1B for Pittsburgh, but the rest of your list is fine.

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#193 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 02:09PM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

I think your inclusion of Malkin is wrong because he is clearly a 1B for Pittsburgh, but the rest of your list is fine.

Yep, Malkin is a 1C pretty well anywhere except Pittsburg.

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#194 Bank Shot
July 22 2013, 02:21PM
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DSF wrote:

Your list is a little wonky. because it's based totally on points.

Ryan Kesler

Saku Koivu

Logan Couture

Jeff Carter

David Krecji

Evgeni Malkin

Derek Stepan

Ryan O'Reilly

Those are the types of players Sam is competing against as #2C

Carter is a winger. Maybe you mean Mike Richards?

Stepan is the Rangers number one center. gagner is competing against Brassard.

What the heck is Saku Koivu doing in that list? hahaha

I think it's pretty clear that Gagner isn't a top 5 second line center. He could be a top 10-15 by the throughout his contract though.

That's not bad. You can win with that.

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#195 DSF
July 22 2013, 02:40PM
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Bank Shot wrote:

Carter is a winger. Maybe you mean Mike Richards?

Stepan is the Rangers number one center. gagner is competing against Brassard.

What the heck is Saku Koivu doing in that list? hahaha

I think it's pretty clear that Gagner isn't a top 5 second line center. He could be a top 10-15 by the throughout his contract though.

That's not bad. You can win with that.

Carter is a centre too but, yes I did mean Richards.

Brad Richards WAS the Rangers #1C until the bottom fell out.

That Stepan could step up and thrive tells you a lot about him.

Saku Koivu is on the list because Gagner has to compete against him.

He's certainly getting on in years but he still managed 27 points +4 last season and was over 51% on the dot.

Whether or not Malkin is a #2C or #1B is irrelevant, he plays #2C.

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#196 WhattaMike
July 22 2013, 02:48PM
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Geez Louise!!!!

Who has the stuoid audacity or can even try to think or believe it's correct that Gagner was overpaid on this new 3 yr contract???

$$.8 mil for three yrs average is a great deal with only one yr being with a NTC or NMC. He not only gave the Oilers a discount from the higher average deals of other same type players ($5 mil to $6.5 mil plus per yr) but he allowed for two of the three yrs that he can be tradeable....

He is now a very good trade and/or team asset, and when the cap ceiling keeps rising each of the next three years, he is really actually underpaid on this contract .... especially if he puts up 55 to 65 plus pts per season with Yak and Perron (as he should now) and he improves at both faceoffs and two way play.

He is not the worst centre I have watched on the Oilers lately (Belanger was and Smyth too but he was at least out of his normal position). I am thinking that with both Eakins and Acton running a tight hardworking ship this coming year, Gagner may have an even personal record season. If he does not, then he is absolutely tradeable at a very reasonable 2 yr contract price before the next free agency run starts...

Man...some people should actually think with sense before they write on here...lol. Now I need a cold beer after writing this...where's my fridge???

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#197 Clyde Frog
July 22 2013, 04:24PM
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DSF wrote:

Your list is a little wonky. because it's based totally on points.

Ryan Kesler

Saku Koivu

Logan Couture

Jeff Carter

David Krecji

Evgeni Malkin

Derek Stepan

Ryan O'Reilly

Those are the types of players Sam is competing against as #2C

So your list of comparables is 7 big...

So the other 23 teams all lack acceptable 2nd line centres?

I choose points because for a 2nd line offends is 75% of their job, if your 2nd line can't crack the top 45 in scoring for centres you have a problem.

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#198 Wäx Män Riley
July 22 2013, 05:28PM
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Gave up what? No team in their right mind will ever pay Gagner more than what he got today. He will never earn or deserve $5mil a year.

He is only a 2nd line centre(if that) on a sh!tty Oiler team. I wonder what role, position, line he would play on with a good team.

He doesn't deserve a NTC for any year.

He wants to be on the Oilers more than the Oilers want him here. The linemates he will get will make him look good and worthy of that contract.

Just like Hemsky earned Horcoff and Smyth extra money-Hall and Eberle did the same for Gagner. Hemsky helped Gagner look good too.

I've gotten pretty quiet on here lately, but I had to weigh in on this.

Gagner didn't play with Hall and Eberle... or played very little with them. He had Hemsky and PRV or Smyth on his wing most of this year and last year.

by this logic, Thornton is no good, Lecavalier is no good, Kreji is no good, etc... because they play with talented wingers.

Soooo just to get this straight....for the record you're saying Hemsky (who everyone wants traded) and PRV or Smyth made Gagner better.

OK then

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#199 messyEH!
July 22 2013, 05:40PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Wow....that truly is messy....eh?

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Gagner is not our problem. The problem is/was a lack of actual NHL players. Very pitiful considering Edmonton spends to the cap. This season will be all addition by subtraction. Just need more centre depth.

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#200 OilClog
July 22 2013, 05:42PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

I've gotten pretty quiet on here lately, but I had to weigh in on this.

Gagner didn't play with Hall and Eberle... or played very little with them. He had Hemsky and PRV or Smyth on his wing most of this year and last year.

by this logic, Thornton is no good, Lecavalier is no good, Kreji is no good, etc... because they play with talented wingers.

Soooo just to get this straight....for the record you're saying Hemsky (who everyone wants traded) and PRV or Smyth made Gagner better.

OK then

Actually not everyone wants Hemsky traded, I'd say it's closer to 50/50..

We're never going to win a Hemsky trade, he's not even 30! a life long Oiler, playing on a damn broken foot last year and it ended up hurting his numbers at the end! Hemsky was better then any bottom 6 forward we had last year.. any single one of them! HE PLAYED ON A BROKEN FOOT!!! WHY ARE WE TRADING THIS?!?! Taylor Hall has publically stated, he wants Hemsky on the Oilers.. but here we are shipping him out.. FOR WHAT?!?! JESUS F MURPHY! When the next batch of Talent gets towards 30 lets ship them all out too!

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