GAGNER SIGNS FOR THREE YEARS

Jason Gregor
July 22 2013 08:29AM

 

The Oilers and Sam Gagner agreed to a three-year extension hours before their scheduled arbitration hearing.

Yesterday, I wrote that a three-year deal made the most sense for both parties, and it seems they agreed.

Gagner will make $4.4 million this coming season and $5 million in 2014 and 2015, so his cap hit will be $4.8 million and he has a NMC, but it won't kick in until year two. (NMC usually includes a NTC, so I didn't write both), and like I wrote last night it might not include year three.

This deal works well for both sides.

Craig MacTavish made it clear the past two months that Gagner is the type of person and player the Oilers need. They like Gagner's leadership abilities and his desire to win. If Gagner can continue to progress offensively and improve his overall game, this will be a very good deal for the Oilers.

In three years, the salary cap could be at $75 million and giving Gagner another million a season shouldn't be a strain on their overall cap.

Gagner wanted to stay in Edmonton. He wants to win in Edmonton, and a three year deal only takes him two years into unrestricted free agency. Gagner will still be able test the free agent market as a 26/27 year old. (He'd be 26 when he signs a new deal, but 27 when the season starts).

I see this as a rare win-win for both sides.

The Oilers now have 14 forwards, 9 D-men and 2 goalies who will fight for a job on the opening day roster.

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Jones-Gordon-Hemsky
Smyth-Lander-Joensuu
Brown-Eager

J.Schultz-Ference
Smid-Petry
N.Schultz-Grebeshkov
Potter-Larsen
Belov

Dubnyk and Labarbera

Oscar Klefbom will also be in the mix, but unless he has an outstanding preseason, I'd expect him to start the season in the AHL. He only played 11 games last season, so it makes sense to let him get used to the North American game in the AHL.

Wil Acton and Ryan Hamilton are also expected to compete for a job on the 4th line, and both of them are on two-way deals. Hamilton is scheduled to make $600,000 in the NHL and $300,000 in the AHL, which usually means the organization feels he has a better chance than Acton of making the team.

The Oilers need another centre, but they don't have much cap space left. If you believe Eager and Potter start in the minors the Oilers would have about $1.8 million in cap space.

The Gagner signing was good, but MacTavish still needs to  find some more depth down the middle.

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#51 Rambelaya
July 22 2013, 10:02AM
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Interesting, now Kypreos is saying the NMC is only for year 2, which makes the deal seem even more favourable.

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#52 PutzStew
July 22 2013, 10:06AM
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oilerz wrote:

Three more years of Snowpants, three more years in the basement. Way to go Klowe and MacT. Winning teams never have a player like Gagner as their top centreman.

Your an Oilers Fan, what do you know about winning teams?

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#53 Alex
July 22 2013, 10:10AM
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Rambelaya wrote:

Interesting, now Kypreos is saying the NMC is only for year 2, which makes the deal seem even more favourable.

I think Gregor hinted at that in his article last night...

"He can't have one next year, (NMC can't kick in until a player is eligible to become a UFA), so spliting the final two years would seem reasonable."

That is what he wrote, and now it makes sense, and I agree makes the deal look even better for the Oilers.

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#54 PutzStew
July 22 2013, 10:11AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

BIG mistake.

Nice guys with skill sets the oil has in surplus should be traded - not given NTC contracts.

Classic case of 'falling in love with the inventory.'

Actually is was a case of signing him or losing him for nothing because management had backed themselves into a corner. He's signed for a reasonable price and he can still be traded, if that is what MacT wants to do.

If it went to arbitration, they couldn't trade him for one year, and by then he would have been a free agent.

@Jason Gregor or anyone in the know. I can't seem to get an answer on this, but can a player be traded after they file for arbitration?

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#55 Quicksilver ballet
July 22 2013, 10:12AM
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Have to give Sam some credit. He got what he needed and avoided the heat that usually accompanies players on a 5 or 5+ contract in this market. Still see a half million dollar overpayment on this deal at 4.8

Still think his only chance of remaining an Oiler beyond this coming season, is if he meshes with Yakupov and Perron. A near point a game season (70-75'ish) will help mask his work on the defensive side of things, so to speak.

His deal today does mean he can be moved in the next 11 months, if MacTavish is able to find an upgrade, Correct?

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#56 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 10:15AM
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Mac-T did good again.

He retained a tradable asset. If they cannot move Sam to the wing by bringing in a solid number 2C then he can be moved for one. Perhaps with a little sweetener in there a prospect , one of the many 5-6 defencman , Hemsky or Shultz the elder.

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#57 Ducey
July 22 2013, 10:16AM
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The NMC is largely irrelevant.

Lets say in two years they come to Sam and say "Sam, we have deal in place to send you to LA/PIT/PHI/DET/MTL/BOS/ (whoever it would be) for their playoff run, will you accept it?"

You think he is going to say no? How many people have said no to trade out of Edmonton?

I have been tracking Sam against his dad, who was a very similar player. Dave Gagner bounced between the minors and the NHL for 5 years after he was drafted in the first round. In draft year +6 he put up 78 points in 75 games. He went on to put up another 4 70+ pts seasons and become a great player.

Sam put up a bunch of 40+ pt NHL seasons. In draft year +6 (last yr) he put 38 pts in 48 games. Adjusted for a full season, thats 65 pts. Sam plays in more of a dead puck era, but if he follows in his dad's footsteps the Oilers should have a 65 pt player for the next 4-5 years.

Oh, and for you dumbasses that don't think Sam is a useful player: He was 17th in scoring among Centers in the NHL last year. That is by definition a #1 center.

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#58 WhattaMike
July 22 2013, 10:18AM
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To those who say Gagner should have been traded by now already or those who are suddenly now unhappy with today's deal....how can they make any trade with any other team if no one knew what his now new deal/contract was gonna be set at?

Now there can be a team Oilers plan of two ways...#1-Sammy plays great/improves even more so than no one thought he could or... #2-Sammy has a not so good year and he is traded soon with a certain decent value for next being a 24 yr old with 2 more yrs left at $5 mil per yr.

This deal works and has both strong and fair points built into the deal for both sides IMO.

It may not be right at this time now,... but MacT has something to work with favorably if a trade becomes necessary either by the deadline next spring or to just before free agency kicks in next summer.

Fact: There was no other top bigger 2nd line centre at the right age group being UFA available at a fair price cost and/or one being shopped around this summer so far by another team...so... Sammy can now prove himself with two very excellent wingers in Perron and Yakupov. If he can't get 55 to 65 plus points in 82 games this season upcoming... with those two wingers or... can't finally start to play very good to excellent ES minutes with those two... then a trade will be coming IMO...and sooner than one would think too.

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#59 oilerjed
July 22 2013, 10:18AM
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Smokey wrote:

Any actual word on Nuge's ETA rather then assumption. With the drunken buying frenzy of MacT for overpriced surplus defencemen added to his assortment of pre-overpaid defence there is little quid for paying for an actual center now that we overpaid Gagner. Not looking like a playoff team for sure if Nuge ain't back by Nov or fully healthy by December.

Wonder what shakes loose with Hemsky, Nick Schultz, and all our decencemen now? I don't buy MacT is going to eat salary of Hemsky if hes getting a lesser player. Still think Hemsky to NJ to play with Jagr and Elias would rock. Nick Schultz, we may on the other hand have to eat salary. Wonder if Schultz will get sent out for picks.

Smokey, you call this an overpay!!?? Let go of your bias man, we shall see in 3 years but it seems likely that this contract will be looked back on like a blue light special at walmart. Im predicting 60-70pts per season.

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#61 15w40
July 22 2013, 10:20AM
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Best MacTavish could have done under the circumstances. The NTC doesn't mean he can't be moved, just that he gets a say.

I would be a little bit surprised if he gets "Jeff Cartered" just before his NTC kicks in but I guess it is a business.

Realistically, if both sides walk away grumbling about something it was probably an OK deal - better then what I said was going to happen which was a 1 year arbitration ruling and a trade getting back 50 cents on the dollar.

Between Hemsky and N. Schultz, thats 8.5 mil freed up for next year plus the cap will be going up I would think. Probably 60-75% of the 8.5 will get ate up by RNH and J. Schultz getting new deals.

Hemsky to the Devils might make sense for them but I'm not too sure what would be coming back other than a draft pick. There isn't much that the NJD would part with that the Oilers would want. Hemsky is likely a deadline deal I would think.

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#62 PutzStew
July 22 2013, 10:20AM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

Hey Jason I posted this in the other thread but I'll repost it here so we're on the same page. Do you think Philly would trade Brayden Schenn? I like that he has (somewhat of) a meanstreak, and I think he's the lesser prospect of their two young centers.

Of course they would for the right price. You should be asking, what would edmonton have to give up to get hime, and I don't think you would like the response.

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#63 Saytalk
July 22 2013, 10:24AM
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I am one of Gagner's bigger detractors here and I think this was a fair deal considering that MacT bought two UFA years. While I don't like the NMC, it doesn't kick in until year 2 so Eakins has one season to instill some backchecking in Gagner's game and if it doesn't work out well then MacT can trade him before July X, 2014 (I'd like to know the exact date). With two years left until UFA, he'll have more trade value in 2014 than he did yesterday.

By the way, please don't rile people up by muttering that "desire to win" junk. Gagner's played 6 NHL seasons without ever appearing in the playoffs, so we haven't seen the real test if that desire exists, plus you have to admit he's contributed at least some small part to that sterling playoff drought. Hey, his desire to win is so strong, he resigned here, great.

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#64 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
July 22 2013, 10:24AM
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Not really related at all to the article, but how great would it be if each user's profile contained a freeform text field that allowed them to 'lock in' various types of predictions so they can be scrutinized after-the-fact.

It would definitely help to provide a little context when casual users like myself are reading posts from users I know nothing about. WhattaMike's post above is a great example of the type of content that could go in there.

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#65 Bleak Winter
July 22 2013, 10:24AM
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I like it. Whether I like Sam as a player or not, or as part of the ideal winning roster, it doesn't matter, I think that it was a smart and reasonable move given the circumstance.

The one thing that strikes me about all of Gagner's past contract negotiations is that the Oilers have been in a position that they have to pay for what they hope he will become instead of what he's proven he is. There has always been a strong leap of faith quotient. That's probably true of most players, but you really notice it with Gagner, and never more than now.

Given the extra leverage that Sam had this year, I really thought we were facing a no-win situtation. Sometimes there are only two ways out of something, and it's either damage control, or just plain damage. But kudos to MacT, I think he found a third way that was close enough to a win-win as we were ever going to get.

I have no doubt in my mind that we could very well have been shipwrecked with this one had a certain recent GM still been at the helm.

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#66 PutzStew
July 22 2013, 10:27AM
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Felt wrote:

I'm wondering how long it will take for most of the Oilers fans to turn on Gagner and want to trade him.

That started 2 years ago. I'm one of the people that would have like to see he move on, because I don't think the fans here will ever respect him for what he can do., an I think he deserved better then that.

I fully suspect he will be run out of town before the NMC kicks in. That's kind of the Edmonton way.

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#67 Steven
July 22 2013, 10:28AM
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Wakey-wakey people.

Bottom line: the Oilers won't go anywhere as a team with Gagner as a number 2 center.

If the Oilers actually want to build a competitive team they need a center who can win face-offs and play defence.

More mediocrity to come. But hey, keep congratulating yourselves.

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#68 oilerjed
July 22 2013, 10:29AM
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Glad this got done before I went camping, now I can drink rye in the woods in peace. One more trade to go MacT and then we can roll the dice for next season.

This is a good contract for both sides IMO, quality guys cost money and neither side got greedy. Would like to have a few years more. Seems like Sam is always having to prove himself to management.

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#69 Steven
July 22 2013, 10:33AM
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@Jason Gregor

He never said centers.

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#70 admiralmark
July 22 2013, 10:35AM
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Well I predicted 3 years at $5 million and thought it would be wise for Sam to take a little less in exchange for a NTC... Not far off. I like this deal. It gives the Oilers a chance to better assess exactly what Gagner can bring consistently. I think they believe in his offence. The question is with the Top 6 in place right now is their enough Defensive capability to deal with the Bigger teams in the Pacific Division. I guess the philosophy is possess the puck more(ala Detroit) and Defence becomes less of a concern? This is a fair deal for both sides. Congrats to MacT and Gagner on a job well done.

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#71 Quicksilver ballet
July 22 2013, 10:35AM
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If I was Kevin Lowe, i'd pull that chromed steel hockey stick (that he received for playing 1000 nhl games) down off his mantle, and let Sam borrow it to work on his draws the next couple months.

Don't be coming to camp Sam till you wear out/break that 10 lb steel stick. When you come to camp in the fall, using your team issued 8 oz composite will seem like you're holding a feather.

If it'll help, i'll send him a 4'x8' sheet of 1/4" puck board to emulate the ice surface. Anyone know where a guy could purchase a 4x8' envelope? #ijustwannahelp

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#72 PutzStew
July 22 2013, 10:35AM
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Ducey wrote:

The NMC is largely irrelevant.

Lets say in two years they come to Sam and say "Sam, we have deal in place to send you to LA/PIT/PHI/DET/MTL/BOS/ (whoever it would be) for their playoff run, will you accept it?"

You think he is going to say no? How many people have said no to trade out of Edmonton?

I have been tracking Sam against his dad, who was a very similar player. Dave Gagner bounced between the minors and the NHL for 5 years after he was drafted in the first round. In draft year +6 he put up 78 points in 75 games. He went on to put up another 4 70+ pts seasons and become a great player.

Sam put up a bunch of 40+ pt NHL seasons. In draft year +6 (last yr) he put 38 pts in 48 games. Adjusted for a full season, thats 65 pts. Sam plays in more of a dead puck era, but if he follows in his dad's footsteps the Oilers should have a 65 pt player for the next 4-5 years.

Oh, and for you dumbasses that don't think Sam is a useful player: He was 17th in scoring among Centers in the NHL last year. That is by definition a #1 center.

I'll help start this off..

BUT HE"S TOO SMALL

BUT HE'S NOT PHYSICAL ENOUGH

BUT HE'S NOT NAMED SCHENN

BUT HE SHOULD PLAY CENTER

BUT HE CAN'T GROW A BEARD

BUT HE CAN GROW TOO GOOD A BEARD

ETC.

ETC.

I actually agree with you and really like Gagner as a player but just thought I'd get the whining out of the way.

That 17th in center scoring to be an really great tell and you are right, that is a number 1 center on most teams. thanx for the info.

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#73 PutzStew
July 22 2013, 10:39AM
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Steven wrote:

Wakey-wakey people.

Bottom line: the Oilers won't go anywhere as a team with Gagner as a number 2 center.

If the Oilers actually want to build a competitive team they need a center who can win face-offs and play defence.

More mediocrity to come. But hey, keep congratulating yourselves.

So are you saying this team is going to mediocre because of the Gagner signing?

Just clarifying

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#74 Steven
July 22 2013, 10:40AM
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PutzStew wrote:

I'll help start this off..

BUT HE"S TOO SMALL

BUT HE'S NOT PHYSICAL ENOUGH

BUT HE'S NOT NAMED SCHENN

BUT HE SHOULD PLAY CENTER

BUT HE CAN'T GROW A BEARD

BUT HE CAN GROW TOO GOOD A BEARD

ETC.

ETC.

I actually agree with you and really like Gagner as a player but just thought I'd get the whining out of the way.

That 17th in center scoring to be an really great tell and you are right, that is a number 1 center on most teams. thanx for the info.

Call it whining, but those things sorta matter, you know, if you want to uhh win.

Sorry, I should be more patient with Oiler fans. They haven't seen a winning team in a decade. They don't know what it looks like anymore.

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#75 Steven
July 22 2013, 10:42AM
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PutzStew wrote:

So are you saying this team is going to mediocre because of the Gagner signing?

Just clarifying

This signing is another symptom of the same problem: management does not know how to build a winner.

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#76 Bleak Winter
July 22 2013, 10:43AM
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Steven wrote:

Wakey-wakey people.

Bottom line: the Oilers won't go anywhere as a team with Gagner as a number 2 center.

If the Oilers actually want to build a competitive team they need a center who can win face-offs and play defence.

More mediocrity to come. But hey, keep congratulating yourselves.

Probably not, but they also weren't going to win anything with any of the currently available UFA's or anything we could trade for, if the trading pieces are Gagner, Hemsky, or our AHL prospects.

They weren't going to win anything by letting him walk and making due with a band-aid replacement, either. They also weren't going to win anything if they paid him like he was the long-term solution and he turned out not to be.

Bottom line: They bought some time, mostly, and a reasonably serviceable 2nd line Center, meanwhile.

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#77 PutzStew
July 22 2013, 10:43AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

If I was Kevin Lowe, i'd pull that chromed steel hockey stick (that he received for playing 1000 nhl games) down off his mantle, and let Sam borrow it to work on his draws the next couple months.

Don't be coming to camp Sam till you wear out/break that 10 lb steel stick. When you come to camp in the fall, using your team issued 8 oz composite will seem like you're holding a feather.

If it'll help, i'll send him a 4'x8' sheet of 1/4" puck board to emulate the ice surface. Anyone know where a guy could purchase a 4x8' envelope? #ijustwannahelp

Never going to happen. He has that locked up with his 6 Stanley cup rings in a Batcave like safe in his basement. At night he locks him self in it, puts on his old gear and Jofa helmet, looks at him self in a mirror and keeps repeating to him self, "I know winning", "I know winning", "I know winning"

In other words I can't see him giving the stick up anytime soon.

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#78 Archaeologuy
July 22 2013, 10:45AM
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He gave up being the youngest ever UFA in a season where the Cap would likely jump by 6 million, he only took a 3 year deal, and he only has a NTC in 1 of those 3 years.

He couldnt have done the Oil more favours given his contract situation.

He held all the cards and decided to give some back to MacTavish.

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#79 Sanaa Montana
July 22 2013, 10:46AM
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Trade Gagner.!..

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#80 PutzStew
July 22 2013, 10:46AM
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Steven wrote:

This signing is another symptom of the same problem: management does not know how to build a winner.

That started 2 years ago. I'm one of the people that would have like to see he move on, because like I don't think the fans here will ever respect him for what he can do., an I think he deserved better then that.

I fully suspect he will be run out of town before the NMC kicks in. That's kind of the Edmonton way.

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#81 15w40
July 22 2013, 10:50AM
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The argument that Gagner on your team means you are a losing team is ludicrous.

The other option was to let him walk for nothing - then the same people would be on here saying what horrible asset management and stringing the GM up for that.

Gagner may not be here when they win, but in the here and now - for today this signing made sense compared to the alternatives available.

There was not a trade coming for a 230 lb 6'3" centerman. Other teams aren't going to give up a #1 or 1A defensemen for him.

Those guys weren't available as UFA's and if they were they probably weren't coming to Edmonton anyway.

Its all well and good to make all these moves in a vacuum but its not reality.

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#82 Sanaa Montana
July 22 2013, 10:52AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

He gave up being the youngest ever UFA in a season where the Cap would likely jump by 6 million, he only took a 3 year deal, and he only has a NTC in 1 of those 3 years.

He couldnt have done the Oil more favours given his contract situation.

He held all the cards and decided to give some back to MacTavish.

Gave up what? No team in their right mind will ever pay Gagner more than what he got today. He will never earn or deserve $5mil a year.

He is only a 2nd line centre(if that) on a sh!tty Oiler team. I wonder what role, position, line he would play on with a good team.

He doesn't deserve a NTC for any year.

He wants to be on the Oilers more than the Oilers want him here. The linemates he will get will make him look good and worthy of that contract.

Just like Hemsky earned Horcoff and Smyth extra money-Hall and Eberle did the same for Gagner. Hemsky helped Gagner look good too.

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#83 Bucknuck
July 22 2013, 10:53AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

He gave up being the youngest ever UFA in a season where the Cap would likely jump by 6 million, he only took a 3 year deal, and he only has a NTC in 1 of those 3 years.

He couldnt have done the Oil more favours given his contract situation.

He held all the cards and decided to give some back to MacTavish.

Arch. Welcome back! You are absolutely right. Gagner gave the Oil a home town discount, and people are still gonna rag on him. I wonder if all this negativity will die down if the Oil start winning this season.

And Steven, quit trolling.

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#84 Steven
July 22 2013, 10:54AM
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PutzStew wrote:

That started 2 years ago. I'm one of the people that would have like to see he move on, because like I don't think the fans here will ever respect him for what he can do., an I think he deserved better then that.

I fully suspect he will be run out of town before the NMC kicks in. That's kind of the Edmonton way.

I don't like him as a player. He can't win faceoffs, can't cycle, can't play defence and can't fight. These are are crucial. Sure, he can score goals, but the Oilers have an abundance of players who can do that. So, he's expendable. In his place should be a player capable of doing the aforementioned things. Simple.

As for management, I don't see your contradiction. Sounds like you agree with me.

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#85 Asian on Oilers Nation
July 22 2013, 10:55AM
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Love the deal. Definitely a fit for both player and team. I would like to see the top two lines as follows: Hall - Gagner - Eberle Perron - RNH - Yakupov

The first line gets the tougher minutes while the second line gets the easier minutes. I think Hall and Eberle, being the workhorses they are, will for sure improve defensively and Gagner works just as hard, if not, harder. They all have the work ethic, the smarts on D will come eventually. Expect the 2line to get lots of points and goals.

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#86 Sanaa Montana
July 22 2013, 10:57AM
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Asian on Oilers Nation wrote:

Love the deal. Definitely a fit for both player and team. I would like to see the top two lines as follows: Hall - Gagner - Eberle Perron - RNH - Yakupov

The first line gets the tougher minutes while the second line gets the easier minutes. I think Hall and Eberle, being the workhorses they are, will for sure improve defensively and Gagner works just as hard, if not, harder. They all have the work ethic, the smarts on D will come eventually. Expect the 2line to get lots of points and goals.

Smarts on D haven't come to Gagner in 7 years. How many more years do you give him before he gets it?

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#87 Serious Gord
July 22 2013, 10:58AM
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Gagner (and hemsky) should have been traded long ago (hemsky 12 - 24 months ago).

Getting back to my previous comment - anyone who's worked retail for any length of time understands the phrase "falling in love with the inventory". In lay and terms that means you hang onto product - valuing it more than the customer does - they aren't buying at the price you're asking - rather than ruthlessly cutting the price to make room for better inventory that has value and reducing further losses.

Gagner and hemsky are over-loved 'Inventory'. The other 29 teams didn't want to pay the price MacT presumably was asking. Either MacT is right or 29 other GMs - over twenty of whom finished higher than EDM did the last several years - are wrong.

Now we are over the cap with very little to trade and we have a first two lines that are arguably even less physical than they were last year.

And no Jayson G - deals are not ever made one a solitary basis. They always have to be made in the context of the teams needs and budget. Gagner should have been moved ages ago to get the player(s) needed to make the team better. It is not just the sum of the parts. Even a player of lesser league-wide value than gagner could be a vast improvement for the team as a whole IF they brought the elements that gagner demonstrably does not have.

Finally regarding sycophancy of almost the entire sports media in EDM. This is not a one-off as some above have implied - it has been chronic for decades. Just spend a week listening and reading the journos who follow the rangers or Canadiens or bruins and you will see he stark contrast.

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#88 2004Z06
July 22 2013, 10:58AM
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Wakey-wakey people.

Bottom line: the Oilers won't go anywhere as a team with Gagner as a number 2 center.

If the Oilers actually want to build a competitive team they need a center who can win face-offs and play defence.

More mediocrity to come. But hey, keep congratulating yourselves.

Wakey-wakey Steven. We all know this! The point here is that we bought some time to find a legit big #2 C and avoid losing Sam as an asset for nothing next year.

We can wish in one hand and crap in the other. See which fills up first.

Everyone screaming for a big, strong, defensively responsible, puck possesion, face off winning #2 C is great, but teams aren't giving those away because everyone is looking for one and there are none available in FA.

Sam is our ONLY 2C option right now!

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#89 PutzStew
July 22 2013, 10:59AM
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Call it whining, but those things sorta matter, you know, if you want to uhh win.

Sorry, I should be more patient with Oiler fans. They haven't seen a winning team in a decade. They don't know what it looks like anymore.

Well you could actually say that most Oilers fans haven't been able to recognize a good player in a really long time and if you are criticizing Gagner as a player you would fit into that category. If you can tell me the last time Edmonton had a center in the top 17 in NHL scoring I would give you a hero cookie.

Now if you would like to argue that Gagner and RNH might not be the best complementary centers to have on a team then I would agree with you, but I bet Gagner would have had plenty of offers if he hit the FA market.

Oh and to clarify, although I am a fan of a few of the players, and hope they do well, due to the management and ownership of this team, I am happy to see them stink it up.

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@Bucknuck

Hometown discount? Good lord.

I am not trolling. I am being critical. As one should be. I love the Oilers, and sometimes being critical is an expression of love.

You see. Fans like me, and others you may refer to as trolls have a mature kind of love for the Oilers. Like how a father may yell at their child for doing something dangerous, out of love. Whereas fans like yourself love them no matter what and see any dissent as "trolling." This is a childish love, like how a toddler sees Mommy as good no matter what.

Some fans need to wake up a smell the coffee, namely: that the oilers suck.

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No team can win with a 2C like Gagner?

Top 20 in points for centers. top 10 in PP production top 10 in penalty kill

He is the only center in the game top 20 in points, PP, PK. Getzlaf was top 30 in all three.

Good to know getzlaf is a 2C!

Bahahahahahahaha!

Priceless!

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#92 PutzStew
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Wakey-wakey Steven. We all know this! The point here is that we bought some time to find a legit big #2 C and avoid losing Sam as an asset for nothing next year.

We can wish in one hand and crap in the other. See which fills up first.

Everyone screaming for a big, strong, defensively responsible, puck possesion, face off winning #2 C is great, but teams aren't giving those away because everyone is looking for one and there are none available in FA.

Sam is our ONLY 2C option right now!

You might want to add....

BecauseRNH might be starting the season on the IR, Gagner might be the only top 2 center we have right now.

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Nobody is expecting a team to give away a winning #2C. That's a false argument. But I do not understand why MacTavish has been so impotent on that front either. Anything, and I mean anything is for sale if the price is right. Make another GM an offer they can't refuse, and guess what? The won't.

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Wakey-wakey people.

Bottom line: the Oilers won't go anywhere as a team with Gagner as a number 2 center.

If the Oilers actually want to build a competitive team they need a center who can win face-offs and play defence.

More mediocrity to come. But hey, keep congratulating yourselves.

it would be great if i won the lottery this week to. just which big and skilled no. 2 center were they supposed to replace him with? let's see, no young prospect ready to step up to the big league in our systm fits the bill. no one availabe in free agency or on the trade block fits the bill. hey wait let's trade hall,nuge, eberle and yaks to pittsburgh for crosbey or malkin (being sarcastic) losing a few of those guys will help move the team in the right direction. we all wish gagner was like joe thorton, he's not, he's the best player the oilers have available for 2nd line ceter at this time.

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#95 PutzStew
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Hometown discount? Good lord.

I am not trolling. I am being critical. As one should be. I love the Oilers, and sometimes being critical is an expression of love.

You see. Fans like me, and others you may refer to as trolls have a mature kind of love for the Oilers. Like how a father may yell at their child for doing something dangerous, out of love. Whereas fans like yourself love them no matter what and see any dissent as "trolling." This is a childish love, like how a toddler sees Mommy as good no matter what.

Some fans need to wake up a smell the coffee, namely: that the oilers suck.

Great Comment.

Very true. I feel the same and have for a couple years.

What do you think needs to turn around in order to fix this?

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Anyone critiquing this deal needs to give their heads a shake. The money is okay for an okay player. There are options to move him if he doesn't further develop his defensive game this year, and maybe better offensive numbers this year with Perron/Yak actually boost his trade value. Tell me, what is your better option? The oilers are NOT winning a cup this year. There are 6+ new faces on the team, and I think MacT hasn't painted himself into a corner at all with the lineup. The Gagner negotions could've been a disaster. We can afford to be patient one more year with Sam. If we're stuck with him for 3 more, that's the worst case scenario.

"I don't like Sam, he's random comment here", is not a valid statement until you tell us what you would do to ship him: AND because of your analysis of said player, which GM would take a injury riddled Hemsky and Gagner (too small, not productive, poor defense), plus a mid level prospect for a blooming, big, defensive, power centre. IF that deal were available, my guess is that MacT would've been all over it.

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Hometown discount? Good lord.

I am not trolling. I am being critical. As one should be. I love the Oilers, and sometimes being critical is an expression of love.

You see. Fans like me, and others you may refer to as trolls have a mature kind of love for the Oilers. Like how a father may yell at their child for doing something dangerous, out of love. Whereas fans like yourself love them no matter what and see any dissent as "trolling." This is a childish love, like how a toddler sees Mommy as good no matter what.

Some fans need to wake up a smell the coffee, namely: that the oilers suck.

Good to know that you're a bigger fan than I am. We didn't even have to whip them out to measure.

Good lord. Get off your damn horse and go back to yelling at clouds.

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#98 Archaeologuy
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Gave up what? No team in their right mind will ever pay Gagner more than what he got today. He will never earn or deserve $5mil a year.

He is only a 2nd line centre(if that) on a sh!tty Oiler team. I wonder what role, position, line he would play on with a good team.

He doesn't deserve a NTC for any year.

He wants to be on the Oilers more than the Oilers want him here. The linemates he will get will make him look good and worthy of that contract.

Just like Hemsky earned Horcoff and Smyth extra money-Hall and Eberle did the same for Gagner. Hemsky helped Gagner look good too.

You should probably take a look to see what UFAs actually get paid. Gagner will get his money, one way or the other. He took less to stay an Oiler 2 years past his Free Agency opportunity.

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"Gave up what? No team in their right mind will ever pay Gagner more than what he got today. He will never earn or deserve $5mil a year."

Excellent comment. NHL GMs are renowned for their decision making in signing UFAs to reasonable contracts - especially when the cap goes up due to lucrative new television contracts. General Managers in the NHL have historically been very prudent in not overpaying good to above average point producers.

Clearly you have an excellent grasp on financial realities. I am in actuality a Nigerian Prince and think you would be a prime candidate as someone I would like to invest my millions with. There is just the small matter of the transaction fees. If you could just wire $10,000 to the following off-shore account ....

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#100 PutzStew
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Smarts on D haven't come to Gagner in 7 years. How many more years do you give him before he gets it?

I would argue that Gagner has never had a good NHL coach to help teach him some of this.

Ruff's treatment of Hall and Eberle in the world cup backs this up. The Oilers young guys have never had the right coaching and I would argue that this is part of the problem of this team.

You can also add bad management and owner ship, lack of good leadership, no accountability from higher ups (Yes You Mr. Lowe), just to name a few issues.

It doesn't matter whom is on the ice, until this other problems get fixed, Oilers are going to be bottom feeders.

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