GAGNER SIGNS FOR THREE YEARS

Jason Gregor
July 22 2013 08:29AM

 

The Oilers and Sam Gagner agreed to a three-year extension hours before their scheduled arbitration hearing.

Yesterday, I wrote that a three-year deal made the most sense for both parties, and it seems they agreed.

Gagner will make $4.4 million this coming season and $5 million in 2014 and 2015, so his cap hit will be $4.8 million and he has a NMC, but it won't kick in until year two. (NMC usually includes a NTC, so I didn't write both), and like I wrote last night it might not include year three.

This deal works well for both sides.

Craig MacTavish made it clear the past two months that Gagner is the type of person and player the Oilers need. They like Gagner's leadership abilities and his desire to win. If Gagner can continue to progress offensively and improve his overall game, this will be a very good deal for the Oilers.

In three years, the salary cap could be at $75 million and giving Gagner another million a season shouldn't be a strain on their overall cap.

Gagner wanted to stay in Edmonton. He wants to win in Edmonton, and a three year deal only takes him two years into unrestricted free agency. Gagner will still be able test the free agent market as a 26/27 year old. (He'd be 26 when he signs a new deal, but 27 when the season starts).

I see this as a rare win-win for both sides.

The Oilers now have 14 forwards, 9 D-men and 2 goalies who will fight for a job on the opening day roster.

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Perron-Gagner-Yakupov
Jones-Gordon-Hemsky
Smyth-Lander-Joensuu
Brown-Eager

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Smid-Petry
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Potter-Larsen
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Dubnyk and Labarbera

Oscar Klefbom will also be in the mix, but unless he has an outstanding preseason, I'd expect him to start the season in the AHL. He only played 11 games last season, so it makes sense to let him get used to the North American game in the AHL.

Wil Acton and Ryan Hamilton are also expected to compete for a job on the 4th line, and both of them are on two-way deals. Hamilton is scheduled to make $600,000 in the NHL and $300,000 in the AHL, which usually means the organization feels he has a better chance than Acton of making the team.

The Oilers need another centre, but they don't have much cap space left. If you believe Eager and Potter start in the minors the Oilers would have about $1.8 million in cap space.

The Gagner signing was good, but MacTavish still needs to  find some more depth down the middle.

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SAMMI SWEETHEART!

I wonder how Tambellini would have handled this?

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#102 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 11:10AM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

Smarts on D haven't come to Gagner in 7 years. How many more years do you give him before he gets it?

Maybe after the next six years , it might be some kind of funky cycle. Come on give him a chance.Then six more and you have 666.Scary kids.

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#103 geoilersgist
July 22 2013, 11:10AM
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I'm glad he is resigned. I don't think anyone could ask for a much better contract for him.

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#104 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
July 22 2013, 11:10AM
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Bicepus Maximus - Peter, The Great. Potter, the Goat. wrote:

SAMMI SWEETHEART!

I wonder how Tambellini would have handled this?

He would be assessing Sam's ability to mesh with another team as the second-line scoring centre he is, with nothing to show for it.

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#105 PutzStew
July 22 2013, 11:17AM
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Steven wrote:

I don't like him as a player. He can't win faceoffs, can't cycle, can't play defence and can't fight. These are are crucial. Sure, he can score goals, but the Oilers have an abundance of players who can do that. So, he's expendable. In his place should be a player capable of doing the aforementioned things. Simple.

As for management, I don't see your contradiction. Sounds like you agree with me.

Sorry about the management. I actually meant "I don't totally disagree with you" My bad.

So he was 17th in scoring for centers last year. No offence but that makes your argument referring to scoring null it also weakens the argument about cycling. As for fighting, well....he's not suppose to be a fighter and yet he still does, and against some bigger guys. props to that.

So once we nullify you non arguments, we have can not play defence and poor on face-offs.

Would you like to continue?

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#106 Clyde Frog
July 22 2013, 11:18AM
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Gagner wins 46.5ish% of his draws.... Assuming he takes 2000 face offs next year (which is high estimate) and gets to 50.5% win rate....

That equates to an amazing 80 extra wins in the dot for the whole season.

That's right folks, winning almost a whole extra draw a game...

Yeah turf the smurf! Find us a 35 pt centre with a 50+% face off percentage!!! I am sure that extra draw a game will give us more return than the extra 20pts Sam would put up.

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#107 PutzStew
July 22 2013, 11:18AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Yes, Andrew Cogliano got traded after he filed for arbitration. He then signed a deal with the Ducks before going to arbitration.

Thanx Jason.

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#108 Ducey
July 22 2013, 11:18AM
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Steven wrote:

Hometown discount? Good lord.

I am not trolling. I am being critical. As one should be. I love the Oilers, and sometimes being critical is an expression of love.

You see. Fans like me, and others you may refer to as trolls have a mature kind of love for the Oilers. Like how a father may yell at their child for doing something dangerous, out of love. Whereas fans like yourself love them no matter what and see any dissent as "trolling." This is a childish love, like how a toddler sees Mommy as good no matter what.

Some fans need to wake up a smell the coffee, namely: that the oilers suck.

You are trolling. Go back under your bridge.

Just repeating the same ridiculous opinions without any evidence is the very defintion of trolling. How does "Oiler's suck" advance the conversation? (Hint: It doesn't)

I bet you would be thrilled if the Oilers traded Gagner for Couturier. After a while you would realize that 38pts is a hell of a lot better than 15. You would realize that Couturier's faceoff percentage was 43.9 last year (identical to Sam's) and gee, Sam seems to be playing better defence on his new team.

Playing defence and winning faceoffs are learned skills that tend to improve with experience. Sam has had a poor team and 4 coaches over the last 5 years. Give him a few years in a stable system with some support and he is likely to improve.

You know what doesn't tend to improve with experience? Talent. Sam can score points. You don't give up on those guys just because they are 2" shorter than the next guy.

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#109 2004Z06
July 22 2013, 11:19AM
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@Steven

Well he has been on the job for a total of 2 months and has spent the majority of that time cleaning up his predecessors mess. I would hardly call it being impotent. What price would you pay? We aren't giving up one of the Fab 5 just yet and no one wants anything else we have. Yes anything is for sale providing you have currency and we don't!

Many Oilers fans have been critical of the players/ownership/management at times(including myself) so you certainly aren't accurate in your comments regarding fans refusal to see the reality of what the Oilers are currently.

Rome wasn't built in a day after all. How about we wait until the season starts to assess Mac T's "bold" summer?

Or did you expect we would go from bottom feeder to cup champs overnight? Now that would be unrealistic!

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#110 Mark-LW
July 22 2013, 11:23AM
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Gagner is obviously not a defensive specialist shut down centre, but why does everyone think he is SO BAD that we should be trading away a top scoring centre who is in his early twenties?

Willis just tweeted about how in Gagner's last full season, his faceoff % only meant that he cost the team 16 faceoffs in AN ENTIRE YEAR compared to being 50%. That is nothing.

Also, his last two full seasons he has been one of the top forwards in terms of Corsi Rel and Corsi Rel - read: There are bigger problems defensively than him.

Good grief.

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#111 madjam
July 22 2013, 11:25AM
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Good day for Oilers and their fans . Now maybe we should look at young low cost high reward acquisitions at center that could pan out rapidly in B.Pirri and M.A.Cliche .

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#112 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 11:27AM
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This is Mac Terrific !!!

RIGHT TERM !

RIGHT PRICE !

NTC ONLY IN YEAR TWO MEANS HE'S STILL TRADABLE !

After years of developing him, we get to see what he can do in his prime !

WOW !

And I'm not even a BIG Sam Gagner fan. But I love this deal!

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#113 Bucknuck
July 22 2013, 11:31AM
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Steven wrote:

Hometown discount? Good lord.

I am not trolling. I am being critical. As one should be. I love the Oilers, and sometimes being critical is an expression of love.

You see. Fans like me, and others you may refer to as trolls have a mature kind of love for the Oilers. Like how a father may yell at their child for doing something dangerous, out of love. Whereas fans like yourself love them no matter what and see any dissent as "trolling." This is a childish love, like how a toddler sees Mommy as good no matter what.

Some fans need to wake up a smell the coffee, namely: that the oilers suck.

"Some fans need to wake up a smell the coffee, namely: that the oilers suck."

So you go on an Oilers fan page to pass your message. To free us from our hope and excitement of the season to come. Nice. What do you gain from this? Attention?

I will ignore you now, unless you can tell me what team you actually cheer for, so when the Oilers thrash them (and Gagner gets into a fight and gets two points in the win), I can trash talk a little.

Conversely, if your team wins, and then Gagner is the goat of the play that results in the GWG, then you can gloat a little.

For me, I am happy that Gagner is staying since I think he's actually the grittiest forward in our top six (boy I wish we had a more robust winger), and I will enjoy watching his career progress with the team I cheer for.

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#114 DSF
July 22 2013, 11:35AM
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Mark-LW wrote:

Gagner is obviously not a defensive specialist shut down centre, but why does everyone think he is SO BAD that we should be trading away a top scoring centre who is in his early twenties?

Willis just tweeted about how in Gagner's last full season, his faceoff % only meant that he cost the team 16 faceoffs in AN ENTIRE YEAR compared to being 50%. That is nothing.

Also, his last two full seasons he has been one of the top forwards in terms of Corsi Rel and Corsi Rel - read: There are bigger problems defensively than him.

Good grief.

Uh, no.

Last season he was -14.4 in Corsi On. That was 10th among Oiler forwards who played 20+ games.

He was -4.3 in Corsi Rel. That was 9th among Oiler forwards who played 20+ games.

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#115 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 11:42AM
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I give big PROPS to Gagner too.....he was in a position to become a UFA next year and thus could hold us hostage to longer term, higher salary, and full NTC.....instead he was reasonable and signed a contract that calls on him to 1) improve his game if he wants to stay here and 2) presents no threat to us as far as the threat of a boat anchor contract.....

Sam obviously has confidence that he can improve his game under Eakins and can legitimately EARN his spot on the cup contending Oilers.

While I still have my doubts about Gagner's ability to be an impact player in a playoff scenario....This contract really boosts my opinion of the character of Sam Gagner.......and buys time to find out if I'm right or wrong about that playoff scenario concern.......honestly and really hoping he proves me wrong......and establishes himself as a proven playoff performer...

BRAVO GAGNER !!!!

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#116 Mikey
July 22 2013, 11:44AM
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DSF wrote:

Uh, no.

Last season he was -14.4 in Corsi On. That was 10th among Oiler forwards who played 20+ games.

He was -4.3 in Corsi Rel. That was 9th among Oiler forwards who played 20+ games.

Come on now, you can obviously see he ment the last two 82 game seasons.

Or is am I reaching?

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#117 The Heist
July 22 2013, 11:44AM
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“We as an organization have to start rewarding people who really embody the characteristics that we hold in high regard going forward,” said MacTavish. “Sam, in my mind, really fits that."

Slap the C on his chest. The kid wants to be here. Put away the negativity that most of you feel because of this whole arbitration ordeal, its a business.that's his agents job. Thank you mark and JW for pointing out that faceoff stat. He's really not that bad, and he will improve. I could keep going, but if all you have against him is his height then don't say Sams a bad player.

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#118 bazmagoo
July 22 2013, 11:47AM
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Good deal for Sammy, secured his NMC in year 2 when he is most vulnerable (Nail's entry level contract is up that seson). Seems like a win-win for both sides, as long as Gags keeps progressing.

Now onto the next Oilers topic, lol, where do we move Hemmer too? Now that Jagr is on New Jersey, how about sending Ales to them?

Hemmer for Steve Bernier, Krys Barch and a 2nd round pick? Too much, one way or the other? Not enough? Personally I think Steve Bernier and a 2nd round pick would be enough, considering the contract.

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#119 DSF
July 22 2013, 11:50AM
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Mikey wrote:

Come on now, you can obviously see he ment the last two 82 game seasons.

Or is am I reaching?

I think he is reaching by ignoring the most recent evidence.

Some observers think the issue was Kreuger's systems.

We'll soon find out.

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#120 Darrell
July 22 2013, 11:53AM
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DSF wrote:

Uh, no.

Last season he was -14.4 in Corsi On. That was 10th among Oiler forwards who played 20+ games.

He was -4.3 in Corsi Rel. That was 9th among Oiler forwards who played 20+ games.

DSF - sometimes regular season stats don't mean sh!t. If you need an examples look in your own backyard ....

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#121 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 22 2013, 11:55AM
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Gagner's Corsi collapse wasn't isolated.

If it was, an argument would be easier to build.

However, there is a context for this, as for all things adv. stats.

1. The entire 2 line collapsed.

2. the players on the 2 line (ie., Hemsky, Gagner) have a track record of fine Corsi numbers.

this is a very strange set of circumstances. Dellow has suffered mightily trying to sort it out.

I suspect the answer is pretty banal. These players were never miracle workers defensively. However, nor were they brutal. Last year was most likely an aberration caused by a variety of factors.

also, since when is DSF taking corsi seriously?

Oh, right, since it is an argument against Gagner.

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#122 Sanaa Montana
July 22 2013, 11:57AM
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Archaeologuy wrote:

You should probably take a look to see what UFAs actually get paid. Gagner will get his money, one way or the other. He took less to stay an Oiler 2 years past his Free Agency opportunity.

What other UFAs get paid should have no say on what Gagner deserves?.(I know it does)

Gagner might get $5mil, on a miracle or a team ran by a desperate GM and measures. I believe that Gagner's play, so far in his career-does not deserve $5mil a year or anywhere close to that.

He took less to stay an Oiler, yes. Did he take less because he wanted to be an Oiler or because it was in his best interest? Gagner, his father, his agent and advisors probably did the math and realized this was in their best interest and that is probably why they took a "home town discount".

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#123 Sanaa Montana
July 22 2013, 12:01PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

"Gave up what? No team in their right mind will ever pay Gagner more than what he got today. He will never earn or deserve $5mil a year."

Excellent comment. NHL GMs are renowned for their decision making in signing UFAs to reasonable contracts - especially when the cap goes up due to lucrative new television contracts. General Managers in the NHL have historically been very prudent in not overpaying good to above average point producers.

Clearly you have an excellent grasp on financial realities. I am in actuality a Nigerian Prince and think you would be a prime candidate as someone I would like to invest my millions with. There is just the small matter of the transaction fees. If you could just wire $10,000 to the following off-shore account ....

Just so I got this right; you misread what I said, you think Gagner is good to above average and overpayed, and you have no sense of humour?

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#124 DSF
July 22 2013, 12:05PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Gagner's Corsi collapse wasn't isolated.

If it was, an argument would be easier to build.

However, there is a context for this, as for all things adv. stats.

1. The entire 2 line collapsed.

2. the players on the 2 line (ie., Hemsky, Gagner) have a track record of fine Corsi numbers.

this is a very strange set of circumstances. Dellow has suffered mightily trying to sort it out.

I suspect the answer is pretty banal. These players were never miracle workers defensively. However, nor were they brutal. Last year was most likely an aberration caused by a variety of factors.

also, since when is DSF taking corsi seriously?

Oh, right, since it is an argument against Gagner.

My only problem with Corsi is that it rewards failure by including blocked and missed shots.

Shot differential, to me, is a closer measure.

Those who try and use Corsi as a "possession" metric are trying to use a chainsaw to crack a walnut.

During this past season, TSN actually started to use a device that actually measures time...you know...a stopwatch.

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#125 Asian on Oilers Nation
July 22 2013, 12:05PM
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@Sanaa Montana

How old is Gagner again?? He wasn't rushed into the NHL at the age of 18, was he?

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#126 Smokey
July 22 2013, 12:06PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Gagner wins 46.5ish% of his draws.... Assuming he takes 2000 face offs next year (which is high estimate) and gets to 50.5% win rate....

That equates to an amazing 80 extra wins in the dot for the whole season.

That's right folks, winning almost a whole extra draw a game...

Yeah turf the smurf! Find us a 35 pt centre with a 50+% face off percentage!!! I am sure that extra draw a game will give us more return than the extra 20pts Sam would put up.

If Sam can win 49-50 percent of his draws. Then he would be less of liability.

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#127 Tikkanese
July 22 2013, 12:09PM
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Clyde Frog wrote:

Gagner wins 46.5ish% of his draws.... Assuming he takes 2000 face offs next year (which is high estimate) and gets to 50.5% win rate....

That equates to an amazing 80 extra wins in the dot for the whole season.

That's right folks, winning almost a whole extra draw a game...

Yeah turf the smurf! Find us a 35 pt centre with a 50+% face off percentage!!! I am sure that extra draw a game will give us more return than the extra 20pts Sam would put up.

Exactly. Negative Nancy's way overrate faceoffs. Even Mac-T said people overrate faceoffs, stating that only 1/40 lost faceoffs in your own zone end up in your net within 30 seconds. Those draws aren't typically your top two centers jobs anyways.

If your math is correct that's 2 goals extra a season against us if all of those draws were in our zone, which they aren't, just saying to be generous. Sam's offence way more than makes up for the supposed negative effect of his 80 extra lost draws a season.

You could argue other areas of his defensive game need improvement but to harp on faceoffs is ridiculous. That said, Sam has improved in nearly every category each and every year and there's no reason to think that he won't continue to improve as he is still only 23.

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#128 Sanaa Montana
July 22 2013, 12:10PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

I give big PROPS to Gagner too.....he was in a position to become a UFA next year and thus could hold us hostage to longer term, higher salary, and full NTC.....instead he was reasonable and signed a contract that calls on him to 1) improve his game if he wants to stay here and 2) presents no threat to us as far as the threat of a boat anchor contract.....

Sam obviously has confidence that he can improve his game under Eakins and can legitimately EARN his spot on the cup contending Oilers.

While I still have my doubts about Gagner's ability to be an impact player in a playoff scenario....This contract really boosts my opinion of the character of Sam Gagner.......and buys time to find out if I'm right or wrong about that playoff scenario concern.......honestly and really hoping he proves me wrong......and establishes himself as a proven playoff performer...

BRAVO GAGNER !!!!

If he hasn't proved or convinced you of that yet-why do you give him the time and the patience to keep trying? Why do you believe some miracle will occur come a play-off game?

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#129 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 22 2013, 12:10PM
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DSF wrote:

My only problem with Corsi is that it rewards failure by including blocked and missed shots.

Shot differential, to me, is a closer measure.

Those who try and use Corsi as a "possession" metric are trying to use a chainsaw to crack a walnut.

During this past season, TSN actually started to use a device that actually measures time...you know...a stopwatch.

Fenwick is a solid possession stat, which ignores blocked shots.

No one uses Corsi alone as a possession stat. it is an indicator. a flawed one but one none the less.

CBC used a stopwatch at some point too and has used "total shot attempts" (i.e., corsi), but not with regularity.

more info would be great.

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#130 DSF
July 22 2013, 12:10PM
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DSF - sometimes regular season stats don't mean sh!t. If you need an examples look in your own backyard ....

They mean a lot if you never make the playoffs.

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#131 DSF
July 22 2013, 12:12PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Fenwick is a solid possession stat, which ignores blocked shots.

No one uses Corsi alone as a possession stat. it is an indicator. a flawed one but one none the less.

CBC used a stopwatch at some point too and has used "total shot attempts" (i.e., corsi), but not with regularity.

more info would be great.

It should be relatively simple to take Time of Possession to the next level through the use of technology.

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#132 Sanaa Montana
July 22 2013, 12:13PM
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Asian on Oilers Nation wrote:

How old is Gagner again?? He wasn't rushed into the NHL at the age of 18, was he?

Gagner is 24, he can only be 24 once.

I don't know if he was rushed into the NHL, but that was 6 years ago.

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#133 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 12:15PM
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The Heist wrote:

“We as an organization have to start rewarding people who really embody the characteristics that we hold in high regard going forward,” said MacTavish. “Sam, in my mind, really fits that."

Slap the C on his chest. The kid wants to be here. Put away the negativity that most of you feel because of this whole arbitration ordeal, its a business.that's his agents job. Thank you mark and JW for pointing out that faceoff stat. He's really not that bad, and he will improve. I could keep going, but if all you have against him is his height then don't say Sams a bad player.

For the love of all things blue and orange Hall has to be the next Captain.

I would give to Smid or Ebs before Sam.

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#134 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 12:16PM
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They mean a lot if you never make the playoffs.

They mean everything you never make the playoffs.

Great line DSF.

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#135 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 22 2013, 12:16PM
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DSF wrote:

It should be relatively simple to take Time of Possession to the next level through the use of technology.

You'd think that... and it would be true... and yet?

The NHL moves at a snail's pace on virtually everything.

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#136 Spydyr
July 22 2013, 12:19PM
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‪‎Oilers‬ forwards Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle have been invited to Hockey Canada's Olympic Orientation Camp!

Great news!!!

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#137 Mark-LW
July 22 2013, 12:21PM
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DSF wrote:

Uh, no.

Last season he was -14.4 in Corsi On. That was 10th among Oiler forwards who played 20+ games.

He was -4.3 in Corsi Rel. That was 9th among Oiler forwards who played 20+ games.

Like others have already pointed out, I was not referring to this past partial season. And like Rom mentioned, this past season was a overall sink for the entire team. Tyler Dellow has made some pretty convincing arguments (part one here: http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=5811) for the reasons being tactical.

Through Tyler's analysis and knowing that Gagner's two previous full campaigns (seasons played at age 21 and 22) had more promising Corsi results, I'm willing to overlook this past season.

Of course it could be that this past partial season is the real indicator, but I have my doubts.

Thanks for responding to what I didn't say though, as usual.

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#138 @Oilanderp
July 22 2013, 12:21PM
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MacT!

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#139 Darrell
July 22 2013, 12:21PM
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DSF wrote:

They mean a lot if you never make the playoffs.

Absolutely correct but this is a player vs team. i am not sure he is the problem or solution but money and term was perfect in a difficult circumstance. Now we has a tradable contract and a window to make a decision.

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#140 Old Soldier
July 22 2013, 12:23PM
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Question for some of the old timers or insiders on here, it may seem a bit extreme but considering Mact's "bold" statement.

If the Oilers can move Hemsky for spare parts that would leave them with over $6 million in cap space for next year.

If the Hemsky move were to happen, what would the Oilers have to give up to swing a deal with the LA kings for Clifford and Lewis. While neither has lived up to potential as top 6 players for the Kings, both players are exactly what the Oilers are looking for as 3rd line wingers, and perhaps add a touch of scoring.

The kings have $1.5 mill in space before signing the 2 players so they wouldnt want much as roster players....what about picks and prospects.....and the Oilers should have enough to sign both for next season.

Anyways, just curious

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#141 Sanaa Montana
July 22 2013, 12:24PM
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We need players that can win face-off! Face-off aren't that big of a deal anyway! If there was a full season, he was on pace for a career year! Last year was a wash for everybody!

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#142 oldhippy
July 22 2013, 12:25PM
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@Sanaa Montana

Have a gander at what Tampa Bay paid to sign Filppula, and look at his numbers. He doesn't hit, not much taller than Gagner, same weight. He doesn't fight. He's not abrasive, and at 29, he's likely all that he can be. He signed at 5X$5m. He had one good season. The rest of his season were similar or worse than Gagner, point wise. Had he went to arbitration, this is the sort of contract they would have looked at. I'm betting an arbitrator would have given Gagner at least his new cap hit. At the end of the season the Oilers would have one extra roster spot but no asset to trade. Yeah, that would have been smart.

I'm not saying Gagner is the perfect 2nd C, especially behind RNH, but who would you suggest, and where would he come from?

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#143 LinkfromHyrule
July 22 2013, 12:27PM
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Oh man there are some trolls in here this morning. Just gross how subjective people can be when it comes to players like Gagner. You hate the guy and want to get rid of him but who replaces him? Anton Lander, Boyd Gordon, or Mark Arcobello? Now THAT is a trip to a lottery pick again

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#144 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 12:28PM
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If he hasn't proved or convinced you of that yet-why do you give him the time and the patience to keep trying? Why do you believe some miracle will occur come a play-off game?

Because he's 24 talented....and has never had the opportunity.....

plus ....Dallas Eakins....

Plus ...the team will be a better team for a lot of reasons that are obvious to me.

Trust me.....these things are neither mathematical.....nor linear......

It's not a matter of magic.....but team systems and chemistry and age/experience of the team play a huge role in players of all kinds reaching their potential.

LOTS of guys like Brodziak, Glencross, Lupul etc have been cast off here before they reached their potential.

Do I want a bigger tougher all round 2nd line center....sure I do.....but that has no bearing on this being a great deal for the Oilers and for Sam Gagner.

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#145 DSF
July 22 2013, 12:30PM
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Absolutely correct but this is a player vs team. i am not sure he is the problem or solution but money and term was perfect in a difficult circumstance. Now we has a tradable contract and a window to make a decision.

Yeah. I think this is a win-win deal.

To me, Gagner is likely a $4.5M player but, given the leverage Gagner had, I think MacT did very well here.

Avoiding another Horcoff-type contract and not risking losing Gagner for nothing next season is a very good compromise.

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#146 Sanaa Montana
July 22 2013, 12:35PM
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I'm sorry, I can't share your perception and I don't share your optimism about Gagner. Arguing opinions would be foolish.

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#147 Ducey
July 22 2013, 12:35PM
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‪‎Oilers‬ forwards Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle have been invited to Hockey Canada's Olympic Orientation Camp!

Great news!!!

Yak to the Russian one, too. (three)

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#148 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 12:37PM
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DSF wrote:

Yeah. I think this is a win-win deal.

To me, Gagner is likely a $4.5M player but, given the leverage Gagner had, I think MacT did very well here.

Avoiding another Horcoff-type contract and not risking losing Gagner for nothing next season is a very good compromise.

Man....I've been trying to hold back over the last couple of days.....but I'm breaking down......

DSF...your posts have been extremely impressive over the last little while.....seriously....

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#149 DSF
July 22 2013, 12:43PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Man....I've been trying to hold back over the last couple of days.....but I'm breaking down......

DSF...your posts have been extremely impressive over the last little while.....seriously....

Always call em as I see em.

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#150 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 22 2013, 12:43PM
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I'm sorry, I can't share your perception and I don't share your optimism about Gagner. Arguing opinions would be foolish.

No worries....you are respectful in your disagreement....I hope I have been too....

Like they say, the world would be a pretty boring place if we all had the same opinion about everything .

I think that you and I both agree that the threat of Gagner being a non factor in the playoffs is a very real thing....

The main difference is that I have reason to believe that we could be wrong about that...whereas you do not.

Can I ask you, do you hope we're wrong?

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