DEPTH DOWN THE MIDDLE

Jason Gregor
July 23 2013 12:42PM

Will Ryan Nugent-Hopkins be ready to start the season?

Now that Craig MacTavish has re-signed Sam Gagner, traded for David Perron and added some depth on the blueline, the health of Nugent-Hopkins is the biggest concern in Oilersnation.

Yesterday, during an interview with MacTavish on my radio show (we will have the entire interview up later this afternoon), I asked him about RNH's health. 

Well, we’re hearing that everything is optimistic, but you don’t want to count on him being ready to start the season. The optimistic forecast would be that he could be potentially ready to start the season, but the pessimistic forecast would be that he would be ready November 1st, the end of October. We’ll leave it at that and let the medical staff decide. We’re certainly not going to rush him and hurry him into the lineup, that’s for sure.  

MacTavish's last comment is the key. The Oilers will wisely not rush Nugent-Hopkins back, but if they realize he isn't going to be ready what is the back up plan? I asked MacTavish if he's looking to add a veteran centre? 

No, I think we’re good there. We’ve got some depth with Arcobello, we’ve got Will Acton. Andrew Miller is a guy who I’m expecting will have a very good training camp as well, until Nuge is ready to play. I mean, injuries are a part of it. You look at any other team’s depth chart; there are always gaps in their depth chart. Sometimes these gaps allow players and opportunity to step in and really establish themselves as NHL players. You need a chance if you’re a young guy on the outside looking in. This could potentially be that chance if Nuge isn’t ready to go October 1st, but I don’t anticipate doing much more. 

DEPTH CHART

If Nugent-Hopkins can't start the season then Sam Gagner is the #1 centre. Boyd Gordon doesn't have the offensive capabilities to play on the second line, so that means Mark Arcobello, Andrew Miller and Anton Lander will be battling for the opportunity to play in the top-six.

It would be a great opportunity for them, but it also is a risk by the Oilers.

Lander, 6', 190 pounds, has the most NHL experience. He's played 67 games and has 2 goals and 7 points. He was very good for OKC in the playoffs last year scoring 5 goals and 8 points in 8 games.

Arcobello, 5'9, 170, spent the past three seasons in OKC, and last season was his best tallying 22 goals and 68 points in 74 games. He centred Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle for almost a month in OKC last year, and both the wingers told me he's a very smart player. He had 12 goals and 20 points in 17 playoff games, and he's likely the best pure offensive centre of the three.

Andrew Miller, 5'10, 180, was signed as a free agent this summer after playing four years at Yale University. He scored 42 goals and 156 points in 141 ECAC games. This is how MacTavish described Miller.   

Andrew Miller is a lot like Mark Arcobello. He’s actually come out of the same program, they’re both Yale University. Andrew Miller is a strong guy on the puck. He’s a smaller guy, but he’s highly skilled with a real keen intellect to play the game. He scores big goals, he knows where to go, he knows when the opportunity is presenting itself, and he goes to the right positions. He’s going to look really good at camp, I can tell you that. It’s whether he can overcome the exhibition game hurdle. Then the later exhibition games present another hurdle as well as teams pair their roster down and the competition gets a little bet steeper. Then, of course, the ultimate hurdle of playing in a regular season game. We’ll see if he’s ready for that, but he’ll sure look good early.

MacTavish is clearly very high on Miller, and he expects him to play well early on.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN...

If Nugent-Hopkins is ready to go, it means little, but I'd be surprised if he is on the ice October 1st  vs. the Winnipeg Jets. The Oilers will not rush him, and Hall told me last year that the extra month rest (he didn't play in the AHL until November 1st) allowed him to be much stronger and more confident.

It is definitely a risk going with Arcobello, Miller or Lander as your 2nd line centre, but MacTavish wants smart players who can move the puck, and he seems confident that these guys can fill the gap until Nugent-Hopkins returns.

I didn't think the Oilers would get smaller down the middle, but it is very possible that their opening night roster will have Gagner, Gordon,  and one ofLander/Miller/Arcobello as the 2nd line centre and possibly Wil Acton as the 4th line centre.

If Nugent-Hopkins was going to be out long term, I'd bet MacTavish would have signed a veteran centre, and it is possible, albeit it slim, that he still does. The Oilers need to uncover a diamond in the rough at some point, and it seems like MacTavish is going to give Lander, Arcobello and Miller an opportunity of a lifetime.

When an opportunity arises it is up to the player to take advantage of it. Players, like most of us in everyday life, just want an opportunity to prove ourselves.

These three have two months to ensure they are in the best shape of their life and mentally ready to take advantage of a wonderful break.

While Landre, Arcobello and Miller prepare for training camp and the preseason, I suspect most Oilers fans will be extremely nervous when they compare the  Oilers C depth chart to the rest of the Pacific division.

YALE ALUMNI... 


Arcobello and Miller both attended Yale so you might want to listen to their fight song to get amped up for the season. Yale hasn't produced many NHL players, but these four all played over 400 games.

Bob Kudelski: 1987-1996 with the Kings, Senators and Panthers.
Played 442 games and tallied 139 goals and 241 points.

Bob Brooke: 1983-1990 with Rangers, North Stars and Devils.
He played 447 games and scored 69 goals and 166 points.

Chris Higgins: He's is still active. He broke in 2005 with the Canadiens then moved to the Rangers, Flames, Panthers and now he's with the Canucks.
He's played 523 games and scored 133 goals and 254 points.

Randy Wood: 1986-1997 with Islanders, Sabres, Leafs and Stars.
Played 741 games and scored 175 goals and 334 points.

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#51 toprightcorner
July 23 2013, 03:35PM
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I think it would be in the best interest for Lander and his development if he spends another year in the AHL and by having him start in the NHL will likely stunt his growth.

With only $1.3 mill in cap space, MacT can't do anything unless he is able to trade Hemsky and if/when that happens, they will probably retain $2.5 mill in cap space giving 4.3 mill in cap space available.

There is no way MacT can say he will add a center or depth in the bottom six until he trades Hemsky, it is just that simple.

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#52 LinkfromHyrule
July 23 2013, 03:36PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

In terms of actual healthy NHL centers, we have two right now. Gags and Gordon. Lander's got less than a season under his jock, and Arco is a big (small?) question mark at this point. We essentially have a 2C that'll be playing 1C, a 4C that'll be playing 3C, and two unproven guys trying to fill in the gaps until Nuge is back. I like our wing and D depth, but we're woefully short on centers.

You hit the nail on the head. This is a big gamble on macT's part, and I was really happy with his moves until this point. There are just too many question marks, especially when we have a 6 game road trip in mid october

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#53 OilClog
July 23 2013, 03:38PM
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I believe MacT is just playing the field out, he's now saying he's closed for business and happy with the Additions.. it's pretty clear, to me at least. MacT isn't anywhere near finished, more C's will be coming somehow someway.

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#54 gcw_rocks
July 23 2013, 03:39PM
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The smart move would be to trade Hemsky for a low cost third line LW and them sign Grabovski.

That would give the team real depth at centre to cover RNH coming back late or having a setback. When RNH does come back they could then move Gordon to RW with Grabovski and the new winger or move Gagner to the RW with Gordon and the new guy. Either way you have the lines that are much better than if you keep Hemsky and you have strength down the middle to cover the eventual injuries that occur during a season.

Standing part is not a smart move.

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#55 yawto
July 23 2013, 03:48PM
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So Jason, Do you think the schedule has given MacT reason to be a little more comfortable with waiting for Nuge. With a outlier date of Nov 1 for his return and a first month dominated by eastern conference teams do you think that he isn't worried as much about his centers? I mean, like you mention, center depth in our division is solid but we only play our division 3 times in the first month. If Nuge comes back even a week early, he would be there for two of those games. Not to knock other teams but the worst teams we face for Center depth in that first month would be the Canucks and Pittsburgh, but 80% of the league can't match those four centers. Has the schedule dealt MacT a bit of a break with the opponents the first month?

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#56 madjam
July 23 2013, 03:53PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

This is terrible, terrible news.

I agree, they should have never traded Horcoff and replaced him with a 4th liner in Gordon who costs way too much at 3 million per.

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#57 dougtheslug
July 23 2013, 03:54PM
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Rob... wrote:

This could just be MacT learning through experience not to telegraph that he's desperately trying to sign/trade-for another center.

Agree. I was cringing back in June when MacT was telegraphing his intentions with Horcoff and Hemsky, automatically devaluing them on the trade market. He's not standing pat.

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#58 OilersBrass
July 23 2013, 03:55PM
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yawto wrote:

So Jason, Do you think the schedule has given MacT reason to be a little more comfortable with waiting for Nuge. With a outlier date of Nov 1 for his return and a first month dominated by eastern conference teams do you think that he isn't worried as much about his centers? I mean, like you mention, center depth in our division is solid but we only play our division 3 times in the first month. If Nuge comes back even a week early, he would be there for two of those games. Not to knock other teams but the worst teams we face for Center depth in that first month would be the Canucks and Pittsburgh, but 80% of the league can't match those four centers. Has the schedule dealt MacT a bit of a break with the opponents the first month?

Haha, what!?!?

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#59 MKE
July 23 2013, 03:58PM
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OilersBrass wrote:

Haha, what!?!?

To sum up what he means. If we are going to lose against strong opponents we might as well lose without Hopkins in the lineup. If we were playing inferior competition we would need Hopkins to win those games.

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#60 wiseguy
July 23 2013, 04:01PM
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Ron Burgundy wrote:

I'd like to see one last signing, of a guy who you can move around the lineup for situations just like these. Nik Antropov seems like the right guy for that - a decent 2C fill-in option who is far enough along in his career that he could also play the wing on the 3rd line. He would also continue our Russian Summer. A 1- or 2-year deal at around 3MM sounds about right.

Pre-Nuge return that would give you: Hall-Gags-Eberle Perron-Antropov-Yakupov Jones-Gordon-Hemsky Smyth/Joensuu-Lander-Brown Joensuu/Smyth

Post-Nuge return: Hall-Nuge-Eberle Perron-Gagner-Yakupov Antropov-Gordon-Hemsky Jones-Lander-Brown Smyth/Joensuu

The beauty of these lines is the complete lack of rookies. When is the last time we've been able to say that?

That's because we didn't have the #1 overall this year. Do you not think our lineup would look better with McKinnon on it? Now that Jagr signed in Jersey, maybe there's a trade for Hemsky there to finally unite him with his idol?

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#61 Top Cheddar
July 23 2013, 04:02PM
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MKE wrote:

To sum up what he means. If we are going to lose against strong opponents we might as well lose without Hopkins in the lineup. If we were playing inferior competition we would need Hopkins to win those games.

And giving away points to the east is the lesser evil of giving them to the west...

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#62 MKE
July 23 2013, 04:05PM
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Top Cheddar wrote:

And giving away points to the east is the lesser evil of giving them to the west...

In conference games are worth four points, outside only 2. Who gonna stop the Oilers when their in their game? They come to entertain and they know how to play their game. They are on a mission and it pays to play in transition. Who is gonna stop them when they get up by five? You know they'll get alive when they get up by five.

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#63 Top Cheddar
July 23 2013, 04:07PM
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MKE wrote:

In conference games are worth four points, outside only 2. Who gonna stop the Oilers when their in their game? They come to entertain and they know how to play their game. They are on a mission and it pays to play in transition. Who is gonna stop them when they get up by five? You know they'll get alive when they get up by five.

Those are my hopes as well!

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#64 wiseguy
July 23 2013, 04:07PM
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wiseguy wrote:

That's because we didn't have the #1 overall this year. Do you not think our lineup would look better with McKinnon on it? Now that Jagr signed in Jersey, maybe there's a trade for Hemsky there to finally unite him with his idol?

Actually I spoke with my ass instead of my mouth. I just realized just because Jagr wants to play with Hemsky, doesn't mean that NJ wants them to play together. Hemsky is undervalued by other teams and overvalued by us. He will never be traded. He will walk via UFA status.

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#65 DonDon
July 23 2013, 04:07PM
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Yes, "it is definitely a risk going with Arcobello, Miller or Lander as your 2nd line centre, but MacTavish wants smart players who can move the puck, and he seems confident that these guys can fill the gap until Nugent-Hopkins returns."

This brings us back to last season, when Mr. Dithers felt the same confidence and gambled by not addressing the weakness at centre, which is where we are once again heading into 2013-2014. Mact as Mr. Dithers2?

We'll see. Are we witnessing the beginning of a train wreck or will MacT pull an NHL-calibre centre out of the hat? Would be a little easier to do if he wasn't handcuffed with Hemsky and his salary.

As to "what is the worse that could happen?" Plenty.

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#66 Top Cheddar
July 23 2013, 04:09PM
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wiseguy wrote:

That's because we didn't have the #1 overall this year. Do you not think our lineup would look better with McKinnon on it? Now that Jagr signed in Jersey, maybe there's a trade for Hemsky there to finally unite him with his idol?

Ryan Carter and a second for Hemsky keeping 25-50%...

Love Zach Smith but this would be my idea with Jersey.

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#67 OilersBrass
July 23 2013, 04:11PM
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MKE wrote:

To sum up what he means. If we are going to lose against strong opponents we might as well lose without Hopkins in the lineup. If we were playing inferior competition we would need Hopkins to win those games.

I get it, but why would you already be giving up? Every point counts in the season, and you want to win as many games as possible.

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#68 MKE
July 23 2013, 04:13PM
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OilersBrass wrote:

I get it, but why would you already be giving up? Every point counts in the season, and you want to win as many games as possible.

Cuz were strapped against the cap and only have so many contracts (50). MacT is gambling just like Tamby did last year with the defense. He also believes in his non-NHL players, why? You'll have to ask him.

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#69 Rotten Ron
July 23 2013, 04:14PM
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Top Cheddar wrote:

Ryan Carter and a second for Hemsky keeping 25-50%...

Love Zach Smith but this would be my idea with Jersey.

Maybe Carter straight up retaining 20-50%. Hemsky is way overpayed and NJ isnt in a position to be throwing money around.

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#70 WhattaMike
July 23 2013, 04:26PM
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While centre positions are a big issue with the Oilers and the fans (like me) right now, I think the storm can be weathered nonetheless for the first month of the season...

Would I like two to three more very good forwards for the Oilers (two of them centres)????....Damn rights but its not going to happen unless two such players get traded now to make immediate cap space room....Hemsky and N. Schultz or Smid (unfortunately)

RNH will be back most likely during the 5 to 10 games period into the season, if not the first game. Gagner can and will be the 2nd line centre/backup 1st line guy too...this season. Gordon is an excellent top type 3rd line centre.

I agree with MacT that for now, he has to see what the system allows him to see/learn... and that is... that Miller, Arcobello, and Lander now have to show up. That means also that new signee W. Acton has to show what he can do as well.

Lander is gonna be an RFA next season and he has to very much prove he belongs "now" with the Oilers as a 22 yr old (or that he is very close to doing so for long term), and then now so does Arcobello at 24 yrs and Acton at 25 yrs...

I love the Oilers and want them in the playoffs now but the beginning of the new season is to see what the team has to do with other new trades or signings upcoming, or it's that the right kids are here all along. There are 82 games to play so there is the next two months and those probabloe 55 games to figure it out before acting drastically or not!!!

Do Not Forget!!!!...that Eakins is very specific and demanding as a coach to input new systems that will work for the Oiler players he now has and this excites me more than having coaches such as Renney, Quinn, Krueger, these last yrs..

The Oilers need about 91 to 95 pts to get into the playoffs this coming yr I believe and this should be 40 wins + 8 OT wins + 3 to 7 SOW...

This was just all In MY Opinion...

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#71 OilersBrass
July 23 2013, 04:45PM
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madjam wrote:

Someone...please talk to me or respond to my opinions. I just want to talk about hockey and yank the chain with thought provoking questions or statements.

Lol, this gave me a good laugh madjam

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#72 Rama Lama
July 23 2013, 04:46PM
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madjam wrote:

Someone...please talk to me or respond to my opinions. I just want to talk about hockey and yank the chain with thought provoking questions or statements.

Okay.....how do you feel about what Mac T has done so far? All the talk about being done in acquiring players is hog dodo!

Mac T is pretending to be Mr. Dithers.......and people are really buying it.....LOL.

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#73 OilersBrass
July 23 2013, 04:51PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Okay.....how do you feel about what Mac T has done so far? All the talk about being done in acquiring players is hog dodo!

Mac T is pretending to be Mr. Dithers.......and people are really buying it.....LOL.

Madjam is coming up with something good right now!

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#74 Will
July 23 2013, 05:00PM
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OilClog wrote:

Really you think Vancouvers winger depth is better then Edmontons?!?! I look at your list and I see is Edmonton actually winning a area of strength for once.

Hall, Ebs, Yak, Perron, Hemsky, Smyth, Jones.. That isn't going to be beat by many teams at all as far as winger depth goes.

Ah,

Sorry, what I meant was it was the best winger depth of any team in our division not named the Oilers. Not for one minute do I think any team comes close to having deeper talent on the wings, especially in the top six as we do.

This is how we'll have to come back against other team's depth at centre. Having said that, Gagner would have been second in points on Anaheim, and first on teams like Calgary, Phoenix, and Sanjose. So I mean yes they have more depth at centre, but as far as our top two go, we're not as bad as everyone thinks.

Where I think we take a step ahead this year is in Goal tending, defense, and coaching. I really think we could have won more of those one goal games and closed out more leads last year had Krueger not thrown out Smyth and Petrell on every freakin shift for the last 13 minutes of a game.

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#75 mr common sense
July 23 2013, 05:01PM
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Will wrote:

Meh, Winger depth?

Flames: Camellari-Stempniak, Tanguay-Jackman, Glencross-Bertchi

SanJose: Havlat-Burns, Marleu-Burish, Torres-Galiardi? (I don't even know who their wingers really are, but they need a bunch of guys to play wing who normally play things like defence and centre).

LA: Wiliams-Brown, Richardson-Penner, Clifford (probably won't be there)

Anaheim: Perry, Selanee and then... nobody.

Van: Sedin, Hansen, Kassian, Raymond, Higgins (this is probably the best winger depth of any team)

Yotes: Verbatta, Doan, Bodecker, Moss,

Edmonton: Hall, Eberle, Yak, Perron, Hemsky, Smyth.

Point being our team is not built down the middle, it's built on the wings. Maybe the only team in the NHL built like this, other than maybe Minnesota or Washington.

winger depth is less important....the C comes down low on D the deepest to help out, and must be physically strong to be able to contain the Center's the Oil will face repeatedly this year. as much as we hated Whorecough, he was stronger than both Gagnger and Nuge....so Gordon is going to have to be out-of-body all year? Arcobella? wtf....the Edm D is already not the most physically dominating..and now the C who is most centrally involved in limiting the counter-offensive traffic in front of the net is a weakling too? TERRIBLE situation

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#76 Will
July 23 2013, 05:08PM
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Bring both Arcabello and Lander up. It's not like we really have fourth line centre anyway. Then, depending on if you want pure skill, or some two way on your second line, switch em till Nuge comes back.

I'm still holding out hope Mac T has at least one more trade up his sleeve, and if that turns out to be Clifford, then our third line could really take some of the pressure off the top two lines. Not to mention makes a fourth line of Brown, Jones, and Smyth, which to my memory had some great games together down the stretch. That line played havoc with some teams on certain nights.

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#77 Will
July 23 2013, 05:14PM
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mr common sense wrote:

winger depth is less important....the C comes down low on D the deepest to help out, and must be physically strong to be able to contain the Center's the Oil will face repeatedly this year. as much as we hated Whorecough, he was stronger than both Gagnger and Nuge....so Gordon is going to have to be out-of-body all year? Arcobella? wtf....the Edm D is already not the most physically dominating..and now the C who is most centrally involved in limiting the counter-offensive traffic in front of the net is a weakling too? TERRIBLE situation

It's a good point for sure.

What I'm saying is that we get beat in one area but are far and away the best in another. Sure the Oilers are going to have trouble moving guys out from in front of the net, but on the other side of things, how the hell do you stop the Oilers from coming down ice when there's that much talent on the wings. Teams are going to have to be very weary of our counter attack. There's not a lot of D pairings capable of corralling that much speed and skill. As long as we have defense that can retrieve the puck and make a smart quick first pass out of the zone, I bet you see more teams playing high instead of down low.

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#78 madjam
July 23 2013, 05:29PM
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JASON GREGOR : My last posting was #39 and the rest beyond that is some one else . Please take appropriate action and remove this person from ON site as it's becoming a daily a occurrence .

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#79 toprightcorner
July 23 2013, 06:04PM
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WhattaMike wrote:

While centre positions are a big issue with the Oilers and the fans (like me) right now, I think the storm can be weathered nonetheless for the first month of the season...

Would I like two to three more very good forwards for the Oilers (two of them centres)????....Damn rights but its not going to happen unless two such players get traded now to make immediate cap space room....Hemsky and N. Schultz or Smid (unfortunately)

RNH will be back most likely during the 5 to 10 games period into the season, if not the first game. Gagner can and will be the 2nd line centre/backup 1st line guy too...this season. Gordon is an excellent top type 3rd line centre.

I agree with MacT that for now, he has to see what the system allows him to see/learn... and that is... that Miller, Arcobello, and Lander now have to show up. That means also that new signee W. Acton has to show what he can do as well.

Lander is gonna be an RFA next season and he has to very much prove he belongs "now" with the Oilers as a 22 yr old (or that he is very close to doing so for long term), and then now so does Arcobello at 24 yrs and Acton at 25 yrs...

I love the Oilers and want them in the playoffs now but the beginning of the new season is to see what the team has to do with other new trades or signings upcoming, or it's that the right kids are here all along. There are 82 games to play so there is the next two months and those probabloe 55 games to figure it out before acting drastically or not!!!

Do Not Forget!!!!...that Eakins is very specific and demanding as a coach to input new systems that will work for the Oiler players he now has and this excites me more than having coaches such as Renney, Quinn, Krueger, these last yrs..

The Oilers need about 91 to 95 pts to get into the playoffs this coming yr I believe and this should be 40 wins + 8 OT wins + 3 to 7 SOW...

This was just all In MY Opinion...

40 wins (80 pts) + 8 OT wins (16 pts) + 3-7 OT wins (6-14pts) = 102 - 110 pts and does not include OT or SO losses. if you say only 2 of each OT and SO losses totalling 4 pts then you are suggesting 106 - 114 pts and a record of 51-27-4 or 55-23-4. Only 4 teams in the last 5 full seasons have had over 51 wins.

I think you did your math wrong.

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#80 MKE
July 23 2013, 06:30PM
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OilersBrass wrote:

HAHAHAHA!

How do we know your not lying and pretending to have a 'smart' side and a stupid side? Everytime 'you' say something stupid you can claim someone is impersonating you. Sounds pretty sketchy and too convenient.

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#81 OilersBrass
July 23 2013, 06:37PM
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MKE wrote:

How do we know your not lying and pretending to have a 'smart' side and a stupid side? Everytime 'you' say something stupid you can claim someone is impersonating you. Sounds pretty sketchy and too convenient.

You're right, I have 3 separate accounts. My own i'm posting with now, and 2 Madjam accounts.

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#82 Jackson
July 23 2013, 06:42PM
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Nice article on Perron

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/perron-blues-were-often-an-uneasy-fit/article_5dfa5487-b645-5074-a7e4-f6ed9d8b3314.html

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#83 A-Mc
July 23 2013, 06:43PM
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Just going to throw this out there:

What is better? Arcobello centering the 2nd line with perron/yak or Hall centering the 2nd line with perron/hemsky (yak moves to 1LW)

KEEPING in mind, its only for a month until nuge returns. I know hall at wing makes the most sense but in times of need id take hall at C before an OKC guy with 0 experience.

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#84 A-Mc
July 23 2013, 06:47PM
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AND if arcobello is going to center a line, is he centering hall/ebs or perron/yak?

I would bet hes the #1C amd centers hall/ebs based off proven chemistry in OKC. Gagner/perron/yak as 2nd line.

If the chemistry is strong i might do this with arc but i still favour hall centering hemsky/perron.

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#85 oliveoilers
July 23 2013, 07:48PM
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OilersBrass wrote:

You're right, I have 3 separate accounts. My own i'm posting with now, and 2 Madjam accounts.

Take the red pill and see how far the rabbit hole goes.......woah! (Mind. Blown.)

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#86 toprightcorner
July 23 2013, 07:50PM
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Jackson wrote:

Nice article on Perron

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/perron-blues-were-often-an-uneasy-fit/article_5dfa5487-b645-5074-a7e4-f6ed9d8b3314.html

Thanx for sharing this article, a good read. Perron seems to be passionate about hockey and constantly trying to improve and that is a great thing

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#87 toprightcorner
July 23 2013, 07:55PM
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A-Mc wrote:

AND if arcobello is going to center a line, is he centering hall/ebs or perron/yak?

I would bet hes the #1C amd centers hall/ebs based off proven chemistry in OKC. Gagner/perron/yak as 2nd line.

If the chemistry is strong i might do this with arc but i still favour hall centering hemsky/perron.

Arcobello centered Hall and Ebs when Nuge was out in the AHL last year adn they did well together so I would expect them to play together. I would suggest instead of a #1 line and # 2 line they will be 1A and 1B and the line playing the best that night will get the minutes.

I still think we will see MacT add someone if Nuge is going to miss a month or more.

Hall will not play centre. He has stated he would prefer to stay on the wing and he needs to focus on eliminating give aways and holding on to the puck to long instead of trying to figure out a new position.

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#88 Clyde Frog
July 23 2013, 07:55PM
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That or Madjam has finally cracked and has several split personalities with varying levels of grammar and ability to write coherent sentences.

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#89 nuge2nail
July 23 2013, 07:57PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

..... In 2015?

No way oilers domination with Arcobello #1, Gagner #2, Gordan #3, and Lander #4.

Worst lineup ever.

I was actually messaging all my flames fans friends earlier today about their centers....

Backlund/Stajan #1, #2.... Lol worst center combo in the NHL.

Their reply, we are finishing bottom 5 anyways so why bring in Grabo, or make any moves, give the kids some playing time(knight, horvat, Reinheart)

I would take stajan in our top 2 instead of Arcobello, which is sad.

What a joke....

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#90 DSF
July 23 2013, 08:11PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

..... In 2015?

No way oilers domination with Arcobello #1, Gagner #2, Gordan #3, and Lander #4.

Worst lineup ever.

I was actually messaging all my flames fans friends earlier today about their centers....

Backlund/Stajan #1, #2.... Lol worst center combo in the NHL.

Their reply, we are finishing bottom 5 anyways so why bring in Grabo, or make any moves, give the kids some playing time(knight, horvat, Reinheart)

I would take stajan in our top 2 instead of Arcobello, which is sad.

What a joke....

Are you forgetting that Calgary drafted Sean Monahan and signed Corban Knight?

Monahan, Stajan, Backlund, Knight, Blair Jones, Markus Granlund and Max Reinhart is a pretty deep group.

Monahan may or may not be ready for the NHL but he's close and he's very good.

Word is that the Flames are also the front runners to sign Grabovski and, if they do, their centre depth is far superior to the Oilers although Hopkins may be the best of the group.

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#91 Reg Dunlop
July 23 2013, 08:37PM
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@DSF

So, do you really think that RNH, a 1st overall with 76 pts in 102 NHL games is better than Monohan(0 pts), Granlund(0 pts), Reinhart(3 pts), Knight(0 pts), Jones(15 pts)? You oiler fanatic you!

That flame centre depth is AWESOME

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#92 DSF
July 23 2013, 08:44PM
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So, do you really think that RNH, a 1st overall with 76 pts in 102 NHL games is better than Monohan(0 pts), Granlund(0 pts), Reinhart(3 pts), Knight(0 pts), Jones(15 pts)? You oiler fanatic you!

That flame centre depth is AWESOME

We have no idea yet what Monaghan will accomplish.

He was almost a one man band in Ottawa on a terrible team so he's hard to get a read on but every scouting report I've read is glowing.

Corban Knight put up big numbers in the NCAA but we'll see if that translates to the NHL.

Stajan and Backlund are certainly better than Gordon and Lander.

Do the Oilers have ANYONE in the system who project better than Jones, Granlund and Reinhart? No they don't.

If Grabovski signs in Clagary...it's no contest.

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#93 nuge2nail
July 23 2013, 08:54PM
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Oiler Domination To Follow

I honestly believe with Grabovski the Oilers are a playoff contending team, top 18 finish for sure. We can turn one of our only weaknesses into a strength.

I just don't know how to fit him in the cap. We need Hemskys scoring on the third line for the offense. We need Nick Shultz to play in the bottom pairing for stability.

When players get injured Hemsky and Shultz will be the players to move up the lineup without the team losing momentum.

Maybe we can land Antrapov for some insurance.

Who's the dead weight that we can dump to grab grabo?

Hall Gagner Eberle

Perron Grabovski Yakupov

Jones Gordan Hemsky

Smyth Lander Eager

Ference J Shultz

Smid Petry

N Shultz Grebeshkov

Dubnyk | Lababera

Depth on D, Depth on W, Depth at C = Playoffs

I actually think Dubnyk will stop letting in the odd soft goal with his close friend Labarbera watching from the bench....this could be his break out year.

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#94 nuge2nail
July 23 2013, 09:01PM
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DSF wrote:

Are you forgetting that Calgary drafted Sean Monahan and signed Corban Knight?

Monahan, Stajan, Backlund, Knight, Blair Jones, Markus Granlund and Max Reinhart is a pretty deep group.

Monahan may or may not be ready for the NHL but he's close and he's very good.

Word is that the Flames are also the front runners to sign Grabovski and, if they do, their centre depth is far superior to the Oilers although Hopkins may be the best of the group.

Oiler Domination To Follow

Power forwards tend to take longer to develop. I don't think giving Monahan top line minutes on the road against teams like SJ, Van, Ana, La is good for his Development.

I was poking fun at flames fans who were the first to admit their Centers are a joke. Backlund is always Injured and stajan is the butt end of most flames jokes in the city.

Than I read this article and realized that our center depth is even worse.

How sad to end the day with this realization.

I understand it's only until nov, but I really hope MacT is bluffing and he's got a move planned to fix the depth issue.

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#95 DSF
July 23 2013, 09:06PM
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nuge2nail wrote:

Oiler Domination To Follow

Power forwards tend to take longer to develop. I don't think giving Monahan top line minutes on the road against teams like SJ, Van, Ana, La is good for his Development.

I was poking fun at flames fans who were the first to admit their Centers are a joke. Backlund is always Injured and stajan is the butt end of most flames jokes in the city.

Than I read this article and realized that our center depth is even worse.

How sad to end the day with this realization.

I understand it's only until nov, but I really hope MacT is bluffing and he's got a move planned to fix the depth issue.

Depends on Monahan.

Hopkins stepped right in and did fine.

But I could see Calgary running:

Stajan

Grabovski

Monahan

Stajan/Knight.

The Oilers have no answer for that.

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#96 Eddie Shore
July 23 2013, 09:09PM
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DSF wrote:

Are you forgetting that Calgary drafted Sean Monahan and signed Corban Knight?

Monahan, Stajan, Backlund, Knight, Blair Jones, Markus Granlund and Max Reinhart is a pretty deep group.

Monahan may or may not be ready for the NHL but he's close and he's very good.

Word is that the Flames are also the front runners to sign Grabovski and, if they do, their centre depth is far superior to the Oilers although Hopkins may be the best of the group.

Is this a joke? Only 3 of those centres have even played in the NHL and that's including Jones who has never played more than 22 games in an individual season. How does 2 NHL centres and 4 prospects qualify as deep at centre?

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#97 Reg Dunlop
July 23 2013, 09:10PM
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@DSF

Ya, no answer for a team boasting a player not signed and 2 guys named Stajan. Whatever

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#99 DSF
July 23 2013, 09:15PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Is this a joke? Only 3 of those centres have even played in the NHL and that's including Jones who has never played more than 22 games in an individual season. How does 2 NHL centres and 4 prospects qualify as deep at centre?

Do you not think Monohan will have an NHL career?

Please note I also included Grabovski who is a better hockey player than Sam Gagner.

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#100 Eddie Shore
July 23 2013, 09:21PM
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@DSF

Grabovski hasn't signed with anyone as far as I'm aware. I think Monahan may have an NHL career but to what extent and how good he will be remains to be seen and until he has played I think its a tad premature to praise him and his value to a team.

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