A TRADE PROPOSERS DREAM...

Jason Gregor
July 24 2013 11:03AM

The day is finally here. Shea Weber can officially be traded. OMG.

I'm sure Craig MacTavish had a reminder in his phone to call David Poile this morning.

And the conversation went something like this....**

MacT: David, my man, what is happening. You been to Tootsies lately?

Poile: MacT, things are well. I only go to Tootsies during the season. I like to interact with the fans.

MacT: Smart. I just go to the bar outside our dressing room at Rexall. Some nights I need a beer just to watch our games...Anyways... I was thinking we should talk about a Weber deal.

Poile: Are you serious?

MacT: I've received loads of emails from fans outlining what it would take, so I want you to hear them. I've had a tough summer.

Poile: Awesome. I love fan proposals. Usually they are very fair.

MacT: How about Nick Schultz, Ales Hemsky, a 2014 first rounder and Linus Omark. He's the best forward not in the NHL.

Poile: Good one. I'll take two guys with one year remaining on their deals, and a guy who is great in shootouts. My fans would love it. I think my owner would be even happier. He's paid Weber $27 million for 48  games. I'm sure he wants to sell low now. You got any other offers, I need a good laugh.

MacT: You bet. My inbox had lots, plus when I listen to Gregor's show I hear some beauties from callers and texters.

Poile: One day I'd love to announce one of those trades. Just for fun. Too bad you can't make trades on April Fools Day.

MacT: Okay...how about this one... (laughs)... Jeff Petry, Ales Hemsky, Teemu Hartikainen, he was just invited to Finland's Olympic camp, Marc Arcobello, he's a skilled forward, and Omark, the best player not in...(bursts out laughing)... Sorry I can't even finish that statement. Best player not in NHL...Have any of those guys ever panned out.

Poile: Don't get me started. F*&*(#)* Radulov. They should have called him best floater not in the NHL. You thought Penner was a floater, hell, at least Penner had a pulse, a sense of a humour and he'd fill up on pancakes in the morning. Radulov loved vodka and late night clubs. That prick would booze it up in the playoffs. Now I'm annoyed. Any proposals that don't involve me bending over and holding my feet?

Mact: I love hearing you get riled up. I guess Pens wasn't that bad after all, and he is funny.

Poile: I'm going to go on a fanboard site and say you like him and tried to sign him.

MacT: Screw you, I had some people in Edmonton actually think he'd be a good fit for our team. So... honestly what will it take to get Weber.

Poile: I've paid him $27 million the past 12 months for 48 (*$&#()@ games. I'd need a lot. I'd need one of Hall, Eberle or Yakupov, and then Gagner plus something else. My fans are rabid, but after Weber, Rinne and Mr. Underwood they couldn't name two players. I need offence, and you have a lot of it. You pick which winger to give me along with Gagner and your 2014 first rounder...

MacT: That is steep. Can't do it.

Poile: How about I take Omark in the deal.

MacT: I can't give you one of those kids, Gagner AND Omark. The fans would revolt. Most believe he could be the main piece in the Weber deal. Good grief Dave, wake up.

Poile: (laughs)... Now you're fired up...So one of the kids and Gagner is a no go?

MacT: Will you throw in Rinne with Weber?

Poile: We're done. See you in late November....I'll take you to Tootsies. I have a VIP table. Do me a favour and bring some of those emails, I'll likely need a good chuckle.

**This was not an actual conversation...Well, we can't confirm that it was...**

RECENTLY BY JASON GREGOR 

 

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#51 G Money
July 24 2013, 12:49PM
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Hey Gregor - Pajamah, certified business expert, is warning you about pissing off your fans! He's right, you better be careful, or they'll be demanding a refund! Oh ... wait ...

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#52 Mikey
July 24 2013, 12:51PM
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Nice one Gregor. I can only hope the Nation recognises the irony.

#havemydoubts

Irony?

#overyourhead

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And we're supposed to have a knowledgeable fan base...

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#54 Shifty203
July 24 2013, 12:53PM
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Shifty203 wrote:

@Gregor

I still think you're being nice in thinking one of the kids would keep him on the phone. If I were him, it would probably take 2 of the "untouchable" 5 to stop me from hanging up right away.

I'm not saying we should do this, i'm simply saying I believe this is what would be required to keep him on the phone.

One of Eb's, Hall, or RNH. Schultz Jr 2013 1st round pick.

Realisticaly, Polie probably wouldn't even listen to, or consider anything less than this. Weber is far too important to that team.

Whoops. That formatted funny. Meant:

One of Hall, Ebs, or RNH, AND Schultz JR, AND the 2014 1st round pick.

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#55 Coco crisp
July 24 2013, 12:56PM
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This was great.

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#56 Top Cheddar
July 24 2013, 12:56PM
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Yakman wrote:

Yeah, I think you are in the minority on this one. I thought it was hilarious. Humor is very subjective though.

It was hilarious. Great piece Gregor! Especially for all of us dedicated daily listeners listening to NHL 13 proposals. Pajamah runs a multi-million dollar business and doesn't share the same sense of humour as us "not in the clouds" folk...

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#57 StHenriOilBomb
July 24 2013, 12:57PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Sounds like you feel Gregor is treating those with inane trade proposals as "second tier" Nation fans.

No one would be dumb enough to intentionally alienate a large portion of their fan base ...... well almost no one.

K-Lowe, anyone?

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#58 Romanus
July 24 2013, 01:04PM
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Mumbai Max wrote:

Do we still have the NHL rights to Alexei Mikhnov and Jani Rita? We could throw them in! Two of the top 1000 hockey players to never make the NHL. They could form an entire line with Omark.

maybe we can re-aquire rights to Schremp while we are at it.

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#59 Czar
July 24 2013, 01:06PM
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Wake up Oilernation,any chance we had of getting Weber left with Horcoff. We better set our sights on Suter,some think he's better than Weber anyway.

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#60 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
July 24 2013, 01:09PM
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Some of you guys need to get a sense of humor. I see no reason why this would offend you, unless you actually thought Hemsky++ would get you Weber. In which case, this article is definitely aimed at you.

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#61 Hayek
July 24 2013, 01:13PM
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You'd probably need to give up one of the Oilers young stars and Justin Schultz just to be able to afford Weber.

I wouldn't do it, but wow, getting a guy like Weber costs a lot in salary.

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#62 Zamboni Driver
July 24 2013, 01:14PM
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I would be much more interested in what Mr. Humourless had to say, but I'm way WAY too puzzled.

This 'business man' is not sure if his business is three million or four.

Because really. It's the same either way.

Or, you know 25% different.

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#63 Craig1981
July 24 2013, 01:22PM
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The Beaker wrote:

Thats a bit of a misnomer. They dont need 4 1st rounders and 23 million $. The 4 first rounders are worth significantly less to nashville then really nhl players for a couple of reasons.

1. They cant stay at the bottom of the league forever and continue to exist. They need to keep ppl coming in the door and while 4 1st rounders sounds great to us we live in the land of the draft so... In reality they cannot wait for all those assets to come to fruition.

2. If Philly had landed Weber those first round picks basically would not be top 15 picks guaranteed.

Im not saying that trade proposal is valid or not, just saying the logic that it has to be 4 1st rounders worth of value is flawed.

Regardless of how you value four 1rst, Nashville turned them down AND shelled out 23mill when they are broke right now. You would need to make a proposal more appealing than that. The 23 mill is the bigger fact than the draft pics.

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#64 Giant
July 24 2013, 01:27PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I am the last guy here who thinks 3-4 spare parts are going to get you one of the top 10 D-men in the game today, but this article is ridiculous.

First off, I guarantee Mac-T doesn't listen to your show, read your blogs, or read your blurbs in the paper. The people who DO however, are typically the people you are insulting with this article.

Sure, they're dreaming, if they think we'll ever get Weber, and sure their trade proposals are asinine.

In the end though, Gregor, calling Oiler fans, and by extension, YOUR fans, idiots, is both indicative of the columns you write, show you host, and is down right pathetic.

As you always say, BE BETTER!

This made me laugh almost as much as the article.

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#65 Shaner
July 24 2013, 01:28PM
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Well done Gregor, well done

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#66 French Toast Mafia
July 24 2013, 01:29PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Oh, it was plenty funny, in a "look how stupid my listeners are" kind of way.

My assumption is media types, be it MSM, bloggers, whoever, all share the common goal of getting more viewer/listener-ship, as it were.

Now say I am your favorite blogger, and I say anyone who uses quotation marks in a comment is mentally retarded. Why in the hell would you read my articles, if I think of you as less than me, and use my position in the media/blogosphere to berate you.

Rule in business, don't purposefully piss off your customers.

Can't please all the idiots...

You would suggest sugercoating everything that a caller ever says and saying that a great trade idea when it's out to lunch.

Callers, bloggers, whoever, have a freedom of speech to talk about and suggest anything they want. However, they don't get to say anything they want without being ridiculed or told that their ideas are stupid if in fact they are.

If you don't like being called stupid when you say inaccurate or off the wall things then don't say them or go read a different blog.

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#67 tileguy
July 24 2013, 01:30PM
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okay, time for a little reality. Proffesional bloggers are paid by the number of comments they get on each article, about 50 cents per comment(isn't that right Gregor?). So, on a lame day article he will make up a fictitious character like a "pajamah" and have him say something contreversial in order to generate comments and make mo money.

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#68 madjam
July 24 2013, 01:35PM
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He's our , but at a price we don't want to pay . By signing Weber did Nashville not give up 4 first round picks and get stuck with a contract with huge upfront money ? Therefore , we give up 4 first round picks and Hall and Eberle by retaining half their salaries (about $30M ) just to get Poile to listen . I doubt we want to do that , and even that may not be enough .

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#69 French Toast Mafia
July 24 2013, 01:36PM
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I don't think Gregors made up character would be enough of a plug to drop how much money he makes per year on the Oilersnation blog to show everyone he knows what he is talking about.

This Pajamah guy is for real

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#70 Lummeropenet
July 24 2013, 01:42PM
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HAHAHAHAHAAHA!

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#71 geoilersgist
July 24 2013, 01:42PM
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hahahahaha just awesome. Now I can get through my afternoon

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#72 tileguy
July 24 2013, 01:44PM
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Lol. that pajamah guy is so not real.

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#73 oliveoilers
July 24 2013, 01:44PM
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tileguy wrote:

okay, time for a little reality. Proffesional bloggers are paid by the number of comments they get on each article, about 50 cents per comment(isn't that right Gregor?). So, on a lame day article he will make up a fictitious character like a "pajamah" and have him say something contreversial in order to generate comments and make mo money.

Keep going Gregor, your almost up to $40. Not bad for a days work, you money makin' playa!

Thanks for blowing the whistle on this corporate conspiracy, tileguy. Just told the wife that I've quit my job to become a professional blogger and she started crying when I told her how much I could make and the insider tip you gave me! Tears of joy, no doubt.

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Thanks for this JG. I had a good laugh.

And for those who can't seem to find the humour in this, c'mon man! I get it, we've sucked for a long time and you're angry. If we've only sucked for 3 or 4 years I can understand but we've sucked for almost a decade now (except one year). If you haven't developed a sense of humour about our Oilers by now, then you might just need to quit them.

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#75 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2013, 01:54PM
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The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33 wrote:

Thanks for this JG. I had a good laugh.

And for those who can't seem to find the humour in this, c'mon man! I get it, we've sucked for a long time and you're angry. If we've only sucked for 3 or 4 years I can understand but we've sucked for almost a decade now (except one year). If you haven't developed a sense of humour about our Oilers by now, then you might just need to quit them.

So ... is it fair to say you think the Oilers have sucked, then?

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#76 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 01:56PM
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French Toast Mafia wrote:

Can't please all the idiots...

You would suggest sugercoating everything that a caller ever says and saying that a great trade idea when it's out to lunch.

Callers, bloggers, whoever, have a freedom of speech to talk about and suggest anything they want. However, they don't get to say anything they want without being ridiculed or told that their ideas are stupid if in fact they are.

If you don't like being called stupid when you say inaccurate or off the wall things then don't say them or go read a different blog.

This is where I feel my point is being missed.

Please, gladly, call someone on their BS. If someone calls 1260 and proposes a dumb trade, here is what I would love to hear

"thanks for the call, ________, but no GM would realistically make THAT trade.... what it would take would likely be _________" ....and so on.

As a host, or blogger, if you don't want to hear ridiculous trade proposals, ask your audience to stop sending them. Berating them doesn't help anyone.

Will this article stop the masses from suggesting Nick Schultz, Omark, and a 7th for Shea Weber...HELL NO.

Then why post it?

And I will agree, my sense of humor is generally more in tuned with things that are funny. Maybe thats the problem.

tell you what, fellow commentors, lets redact every comment I've made thus far, and just assume every finger that has hit a key from the desk of Pajamah just reads the following...

"Hmmm, this wasn't funny at all"

Futurama, Cyanide and Happiness, Monty Python, the Far Side....these things are funny.

This missed the mark, badly.

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#77 Shredder
July 24 2013, 01:57PM
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I'm glad someone outlined why WEBER WILL NEVER BE TRADED! Or at least not to the Oilers, and at least not for another 3 years. End this trade discussion. NOW!

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The Soup Fascist wrote:

So ... is it fair to say you think the Oilers have sucked, then?

Yeeaah...like a Hoover!

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#79 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2013, 02:01PM
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"And I will agree, my sense of humor is generally more in tuned with things that are funny. Maybe thats the problem."

WOW! Self-obsess much?

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#80 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 02:02PM
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If I keep this up, I'll end up with DSF-like infamy.

Comments are a discussion people. You don't need to like what I have to say, the same way I don't have to like what Gregor wrote.

Generally, I love reading the articles here and at lowetide.ca, most times only adding what I think is neccessary to the conversation.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing in a civil manner.

Normally, I enjoy Gregors work, doesn't mean i have to like it all.

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#81 dougtheslug
July 24 2013, 02:05PM
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@Pajamah

This guy is great!! A new and perfectly acceptable aquisition to play on a line with with DSF and NAS. The only thing missing on the site is a negative props button - Pajamah would be giving DSF a real run for his records.

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#82 dougtheslug
July 24 2013, 02:05PM
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@Pajamah

This guy is great!! A new and perfectly acceptable aquisition to play on a line with with DSF and NAS. The only thing missing on the site is a negative props button - Pajamah would be giving DSF a real run for his records.

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#83 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 02:07PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

"And I will agree, my sense of humor is generally more in tuned with things that are funny. Maybe thats the problem."

WOW! Self-obsess much?

How is that any different than people telling me I am wrong "because it is infact funny"

You say potatoe, is say potato.

When I say that is the problem, is maybe myself, and others here, argued too much about how it is insulting to fans. that might not be the lynch pin of deconstructing why I didn't like the article.

After this comment, I will back-off and hopefully like the rest of the commenters here, just go back to enjoying the substance of the site, including some of the great comments.

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#84 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 02:10PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

This guy is great!! A new and perfectly acceptable aquisition to play on a line with with DSF and NAS. The only thing missing on the site is a negative props button - Pajamah would be giving DSF a real run for his records.

Nah, I don't track the Canucks, or keep a running tab of Kyle Wellwood stats.

Just trying to give everyone food for thought.

If everyone here enjoys the article, and I don't, then I'm not afraid to admit I was wrong. Maybe it was hilarious and I don't get it.

Just not my cup of tea.

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#85 Czar
July 24 2013, 02:11PM
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Apparently Luongo has hired a new agent, think he's trying to negotiate an extension? Think we could get him for Omark and a 3rd?

BOOM! Another 50 cents Gregor, your welcome!

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#86 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 02:15PM
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oliveoilers wrote:

Keep going Gregor, your almost up to $40. Not bad for a days work, you money makin' playa!

Thanks for blowing the whistle on this corporate conspiracy, tileguy. Just told the wife that I've quit my job to become a professional blogger and she started crying when I told her how much I could make and the insider tip you gave me! Tears of joy, no doubt.

Far too fat, with way too much hair on my head to be Gregor. But I can pretend.

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#87 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2013, 02:19PM
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Pajamah wrote:

How is that any different than people telling me I am wrong "because it is infact funny"

You say potatoe, is say potato.

When I say that is the problem, is maybe myself, and others here, argued too much about how it is insulting to fans. that might not be the lynch pin of deconstructing why I didn't like the article.

After this comment, I will back-off and hopefully like the rest of the commenters here, just go back to enjoying the substance of the site, including some of the great comments.

Not at all. You have every right to find something not funny. However, when you scold a blogger to "be better" and say his comments "missed the mark, badly", expect some flack - especially when the vast majority of readers thought it was funny.

Add in a pinch of pretention by ensuring everyone knows you run a multi-million dollar company. Mix in some subtle douchiness by indicating your sense of humour is the benchmark all others should strive for and ..... voila .... 3 or more pages of comments.

Well done!

If you REALLY want to stir things up make sure you sneak in that your (import) car retails well into six figures.

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#88 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 24 2013, 02:26PM
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TeeVee wrote:

Weber for Hemsky, Klefbom and a 1st.

Gregor does sarcasm better than you...

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#89 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 02:29PM
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Not at all. You have every right to find something not funny. However, when you scold a blogger to "be better" and say his comments "missed the mark, badly", expect some flack - especially when the vast majority of readers thought it was funny.

Add in a pinch of pretention by ensuring everyone knows you run a multi-million dollar company. Mix in some subtle douchiness by indicating your sense of humour is the benchmark all others should strive for and ..... voila .... 3 or more pages of comments.

Well done!

If you REALLY want to stir things up make sure you sneak in that your (import) car retails well into six figures.

Fair enough. The revenues of the company matter not, and it was irrelevant to the conversation. The point I tried to get across was just that it seemed that the article went out of its way to insult fans, and that someone in business should be more aware of how to treat "customers"

And what I should've said was that my sense of humor was only intuned to what I found funny.

Not the person I am,or am trying to portray, so for that I apologize.

Not trying to flame, or troll, just wanted to add my perspective. If its not met with agreement, then its my opinion alone, and will accept when someone feels I am wrong.

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#90 G Money
July 24 2013, 02:31PM
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tileguy wrote:

Gregor, I want my $10 for extending this article, windshield crack coupons will do.

This is what I read:

"Gregor, I want ... crack ..."

And I thought to myself ...

"Man, this guys on crack!"

I wish I couldn't not resist the urge to wisecrack.

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#91 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 24 2013, 02:32PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I am the last guy here who thinks 3-4 spare parts are going to get you one of the top 10 D-men in the game today, but this article is ridiculous.

First off, I guarantee Mac-T doesn't listen to your show, read your blogs, or read your blurbs in the paper. The people who DO however, are typically the people you are insulting with this article.

Sure, they're dreaming, if they think we'll ever get Weber, and sure their trade proposals are asinine.

In the end though, Gregor, calling Oiler fans, and by extension, YOUR fans, idiots, is both indicative of the columns you write, show you host, and is down right pathetic.

As you always say, BE BETTER!

It's humor man! But I do get your point that stupid people have a hard time laughing at themselves.....

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#92 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2013, 02:36PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Fair enough. The revenues of the company matter not, and it was irrelevant to the conversation. The point I tried to get across was just that it seemed that the article went out of its way to insult fans, and that someone in business should be more aware of how to treat "customers"

And what I should've said was that my sense of humor was only intuned to what I found funny.

Not the person I am,or am trying to portray, so for that I apologize.

Not trying to flame, or troll, just wanted to add my perspective. If its not met with agreement, then its my opinion alone, and will accept when someone feels I am wrong.

Fair comments and certainly you don't have to answer to me. If everyone felt the same way way about things, life would be boring.

As long as you agree Seinfeld was the funniest show ever, you are likely still in the good books with Gregor. ;^)

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#93 OilClog
July 24 2013, 02:37PM
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This is one of the biggest wastes of an article I've seen on here yet! I mean Willis and RB have had some real full buckets of slop every once in a while on here.. but this.. this is low end. Seems more like a blog comment, then a blog post, yikes.

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#94 Reg Dunlop
July 24 2013, 02:39PM
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@Pajamah

Just how do you balance managing a multi-mil company with wasting your afternoon here on ON? You must be phenomenal at multitasking. I have a tough time oogling porn and commenting here.

As for Weber, I hope we don't have to give up Omark when we make the deal.

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#95 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 02:39PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Fair comments and certainly you don't have to answer to me. If everyone felt the same way way about things, life would be boring.

As long as you agree Seinfeld was the funniest show ever, you are likely still in the good books with Gregor. ;^)

Feats of Strength during Festivus.......loved it.

Someone posted on Reddit how the royal baby was named after Seinfeld

George (Costanza) Alexander (,Jason) Louis (Dreyfus)

It all makes sense.

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#96 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 02:43PM
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Reg Dunlop wrote:

Just how do you balance managing a multi-mil company with wasting your afternoon here on ON? You must be phenomenal at multitasking. I have a tough time oogling porn and commenting here.

As for Weber, I hope we don't have to give up Omark when we make the deal.

You just get really good at delegating, and lock yourself in your office.

Plus, the comments are too good to ignore.

~If I spent less time online, could be $6M, amirite~

I agree though, Omark is a non-starter.

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#97 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2013, 02:43PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Feats of Strength during Festivus.......loved it.

Someone posted on Reddit how the royal baby was named after Seinfeld

George (Costanza) Alexander (,Jason) Louis (Dreyfus)

It all makes sense.

Best line of the whole Royal baby hubub came from Jay Onrait, who refered to the new mom as ....

Wait for it ......

KATE MILFINGTON.

Now EVERYBODY has to think that is funny ....right? .....right??

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#98 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 02:45PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Best line of the whole Royal baby hubub came from Jay Onrait, who refered to the new mom as ....

Wait for it ......

KATE MILFINGTON.

Now EVERYBODY has to think that is funny ....right? .....right??

Love Onrait, sad him and O'Toole left TSN.

Watching Sportscentre now, especially with less mainstream sports, almost seems like a chore.

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#99 merfer
July 24 2013, 02:50PM
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Rob... wrote:

Stating that you run a 3-4 million dollar company and eluding to the idea that it makes you an expert in all client/business relations doesn't seem pretentious and indignant?

If you've listened to Gregor's show he slams Omark trade proposals on air too. The fans of the show had better expect it, because it's not out of the ordinary.

No kidding this guy is pretentious. Who cares what size company he supposedly runs. Good post Gregor. Book it!!

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#100 Rama Lama
July 24 2013, 02:50PM
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Someone had to draft Webber? I think that Seth Jones or Darnell Nurse could be the next Webber or Pronger.

Trading for players by mortgaging your future is a zero sum game.........it may help you in the present but weighed against the future, it's a very risky gamble.

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