A TRADE PROPOSERS DREAM...

Jason Gregor
July 24 2013 11:03AM

The day is finally here. Shea Weber can officially be traded. OMG.

I'm sure Craig MacTavish had a reminder in his phone to call David Poile this morning.

And the conversation went something like this....**

MacT: David, my man, what is happening. You been to Tootsies lately?

Poile: MacT, things are well. I only go to Tootsies during the season. I like to interact with the fans.

MacT: Smart. I just go to the bar outside our dressing room at Rexall. Some nights I need a beer just to watch our games...Anyways... I was thinking we should talk about a Weber deal.

Poile: Are you serious?

MacT: I've received loads of emails from fans outlining what it would take, so I want you to hear them. I've had a tough summer.

Poile: Awesome. I love fan proposals. Usually they are very fair.

MacT: How about Nick Schultz, Ales Hemsky, a 2014 first rounder and Linus Omark. He's the best forward not in the NHL.

Poile: Good one. I'll take two guys with one year remaining on their deals, and a guy who is great in shootouts. My fans would love it. I think my owner would be even happier. He's paid Weber $27 million for 48  games. I'm sure he wants to sell low now. You got any other offers, I need a good laugh.

MacT: You bet. My inbox had lots, plus when I listen to Gregor's show I hear some beauties from callers and texters.

Poile: One day I'd love to announce one of those trades. Just for fun. Too bad you can't make trades on April Fools Day.

MacT: Okay...how about this one... (laughs)... Jeff Petry, Ales Hemsky, Teemu Hartikainen, he was just invited to Finland's Olympic camp, Marc Arcobello, he's a skilled forward, and Omark, the best player not in...(bursts out laughing)... Sorry I can't even finish that statement. Best player not in NHL...Have any of those guys ever panned out.

Poile: Don't get me started. F*&*(#)* Radulov. They should have called him best floater not in the NHL. You thought Penner was a floater, hell, at least Penner had a pulse, a sense of a humour and he'd fill up on pancakes in the morning. Radulov loved vodka and late night clubs. That prick would booze it up in the playoffs. Now I'm annoyed. Any proposals that don't involve me bending over and holding my feet?

Mact: I love hearing you get riled up. I guess Pens wasn't that bad after all, and he is funny.

Poile: I'm going to go on a fanboard site and say you like him and tried to sign him.

MacT: Screw you, I had some people in Edmonton actually think he'd be a good fit for our team. So... honestly what will it take to get Weber.

Poile: I've paid him $27 million the past 12 months for 48 (*$&#()@ games. I'd need a lot. I'd need one of Hall, Eberle or Yakupov, and then Gagner plus something else. My fans are rabid, but after Weber, Rinne and Mr. Underwood they couldn't name two players. I need offence, and you have a lot of it. You pick which winger to give me along with Gagner and your 2014 first rounder...

MacT: That is steep. Can't do it.

Poile: How about I take Omark in the deal.

MacT: I can't give you one of those kids, Gagner AND Omark. The fans would revolt. Most believe he could be the main piece in the Weber deal. Good grief Dave, wake up.

Poile: (laughs)... Now you're fired up...So one of the kids and Gagner is a no go?

MacT: Will you throw in Rinne with Weber?

Poile: We're done. See you in late November....I'll take you to Tootsies. I have a VIP table. Do me a favour and bring some of those emails, I'll likely need a good chuckle.

**This was not an actual conversation...Well, we can't confirm that it was...**

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#151 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 24 2013, 04:17PM
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Also.....I've been meaning to bring this up but I didn't want the blog to go all Pajahama on me.....

But ........and here it is.......gulp.......am I the only one who has some concerns about J Scultz??........yes I like him.....and yes I'm glad he picked the Oil....and yes I see a young Dman who skates well and plays with his head up.....but he does seem to be on the ice for a lot of goals...and he does look a little lost on the powerplay in the bigs.......

Don't get me wrong...I still expect good things from him moving forward....but it seems that in this town, he's being hailed as the next coming of Rob Neidermier....and I'm a little worried he may be getting overhyped.......is he really going to be the next Drew Doughty or Kris Letang......odds are....not....

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#152 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 04:21PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Also.....I've been meaning to bring this up but I didn't want the blog to go all Pajahama on me.....

But ........and here it is.......gulp.......am I the only one who has some concerns about J Scultz??........yes I like him.....and yes I'm glad he picked the Oil....and yes I see a young Dman who skates well and plays with his head up.....but he does seem to be on the ice for a lot of goals...and he does look a little lost on the powerplay in the bigs.......

Don't get me wrong...I still expect good things from him moving forward....but it seems that in this town, he's being hailed as the next coming of Rob Neidermier....and I'm a little worried he may be getting overhyped.......is he really going to be the next Drew Doughty or Kris Letang......odds are....not....

Not sure, but even if he turns out to be a strong 2-3 defenseman, I think we'd be happy.

Schultz is found money, and as long as he isn't the next coming of Ryan Whitney (the new Ryan Whitney) then we're ok

PP genius, great. Average ES, ok, I guess. Terrible defensive game....you're Marc-Andre Bergeron

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#153 G Money
July 24 2013, 04:21PM
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@rickithebear

Ricki: I am a fan of Petry and think he'll do better next year. But when your stats clearly show that Petry is a better defender than Weber, YOUR STATS ARE WRONG.

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#154 DC
July 24 2013, 04:23PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Far too fat, with way too much hair on my head to be Gregor. But I can pretend.

Brownlee?

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#155 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 04:24PM
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DC wrote:

Brownlee?

SHOW US YOUR CRACK!!!

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#156 EHH Team
July 24 2013, 04:30PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Not sure, but even if he turns out to be a strong 2-3 defenseman, I think we'd be happy.

Schultz is found money, and as long as he isn't the next coming of Ryan Whitney (the new Ryan Whitney) then we're ok

PP genius, great. Average ES, ok, I guess. Terrible defensive game....you're Marc-Andre Bergeron

There's no way he's Marc-Andre Bergeron. Trust me, he'll be much more effective defensively than Bergeron.

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#157 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 04:31PM
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You know, I hate to admit it, but come tomorrow, someone will post a new article, and I won't be the center of attention anymore

And that makes me sad.

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#158 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 04:33PM
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EHH Team wrote:

There's no way he's Marc-Andre Bergeron. Trust me, he'll be much more effective defensively than Bergeron.

I think so too.

RNH got that reputation in his draft year, that all he did was produce on the PP.

Injuries being what they are, I'm sure most Oiler fans see him as much more than a Jussi Jokinen, and Schultz more than a MA Bergeron.

Next Doughty though, probably not.

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#159 Oiler Al
July 24 2013, 04:37PM
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Puanjamah,now that you got all the attention you wanted/needed time to get back to sorting those bottles at the bottle depot.

I read somewhere that people who are starved for raffish attention, its because probably they were not weaned from their mamas t....ty till they were 16 years old.

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#160 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 04:40PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Puanjamah,now that you got all the attention you wanted/needed time to get back to sorting those bottles at the bottle depot.

I read somewhere that people who are starved for raffish attention, its because probably they were not weaned from their mamas t....ty till they were 16 years old.

Please, I was almost completely off the boob by 7 or 8. She pumped until I moved out though.

And didn't you hear? I run the bottle depot, you know, not trying to brag or anything.

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#161 LoweBlow
July 24 2013, 05:18PM
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How about Jason Bonsignore, David Oliver and Mariusz Czerkawski for Weber?

Jani Rita to sweeten the pot?

Brilliantly done Gregor!

To all those who didn't get it, please finish high school.

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#162 Dog Train
July 24 2013, 05:39PM
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Not worth the deal if you ask me. It would likely start with an Eberle + Petry/J.Schultz and picks type of package just to get talks going. I like Weber but selling the farm for him isn't a good idea if you ask me.

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#163 Bucknuck
July 24 2013, 06:02PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Also.....I've been meaning to bring this up but I didn't want the blog to go all Pajahama on me.....

But ........and here it is.......gulp.......am I the only one who has some concerns about J Scultz??........yes I like him.....and yes I'm glad he picked the Oil....and yes I see a young Dman who skates well and plays with his head up.....but he does seem to be on the ice for a lot of goals...and he does look a little lost on the powerplay in the bigs.......

Don't get me wrong...I still expect good things from him moving forward....but it seems that in this town, he's being hailed as the next coming of Rob Neidermier....and I'm a little worried he may be getting overhyped.......is he really going to be the next Drew Doughty or Kris Letang......odds are....not....

I think you meant SCOTT Niedermayer, and comparing a rookie to star players is usually a mistake, since it would be very hard to live up to.

Watching him play, he looked very much like what he is: an offensively gifted ROOKIE. I suspect he will put up better numbers and look a lot less lost this coming year.

He's a player.

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#164 Fresh Mess
July 24 2013, 06:14PM
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Haha. Very Droll Mister Gregor.

I especially enjoy when they list their new line combinations replete with the four all-stars obtained in return for Potter, Omark, Curtis Hamilton, and the Oilers 6 round pick in 2016.

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#165 voom04
July 24 2013, 06:16PM
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Paul Coffey 79-80-Kitchener Rangers-52games 19g52a71pts 80-81 Oil 74games9g23a32pts+-(-15) Justin Schultz 2012-13-Oakcity barons34games18g30a48pts+-(+8) 12-13 Oil 48games8g19a27pts+-(-17)

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#166 Bucknuck
July 24 2013, 06:23PM
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voom04 wrote:

Paul Coffey 79-80-Kitchener Rangers-52games 19g52a71pts 80-81 Oil 74games9g23a32pts+-(-15) Justin Schultz 2012-13-Oakcity barons34games18g30a48pts+-(+8) 12-13 Oil 48games8g19a27pts+-(-17)

I think "Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)" has a legitimate point that comparing a rookie to hall of famers is a risky business. It raises expectations to the point that a decent player can never live up to. Then the player gets run out of town (like Jason Arnott did).

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#167 Spydyr
July 24 2013, 06:25PM
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voom04 wrote:

Paul Coffey 79-80-Kitchener Rangers-52games 19g52a71pts 80-81 Oil 74games9g23a32pts+-(-15) Justin Schultz 2012-13-Oakcity barons34games18g30a48pts+-(+8) 12-13 Oil 48games8g19a27pts+-(-17)

You obviously never seen Coffee skate in person.

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#168 OilClog
July 24 2013, 06:33PM
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I don't understand really how anyone can bag on Jultz.. He led the D in scoring, put up great offensive numbers. Not one single person expected or wanted him to be the shut down type, he has zero chemistry with Nultz, Kruger has boneheaded systems.. AND HE PLAYED MORE HOCKEY THEN HE EVER HAS! Guy tired out. Give him a break. He's going to be a player, not a Drew or a Shea or even a P.K.. He will be a Jultz.

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#169 Wax Man Riley
July 24 2013, 06:36PM
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Spydyr wrote:

You obviously never seen Coffee skate in person.

Coffey was insane. He would be behind the net, then in what looked like 3 strides, he would be at the opposing blue line. Just like that.

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#170 Rama Lama
July 24 2013, 06:52PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

Coffey was insane. He would be behind the net, then in what looked like 3 strides, he would be at the opposing blue line. Just like that.

I saw him skate early in his career...........I swear that he never lifted his skates as he cornered around the net.

I later learned that he spent a lot of time practicing weight transfer as a way to continuously propel himself regardless of what position he was in. I started practicing this myself after reading about it, and it works! Not sure where he learned this from ( someone mentioned figure skating) but he was ahead of his time. Scott Neidermayer skated much the same way.........brilliant!

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#171 Spydyr
July 24 2013, 06:54PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I saw him skate early in his career...........I swear that he never lifted his skates as he cornered around the net.

I later learned that he spent a lot of time practicing weight transfer as a way to continuously propel himself regardless of what position he was in. I started practicing this myself after reading about it, and it works! Not sure where he learned this from ( someone mentioned figure skating) but he was ahead of his time. Scott Neidermayer skated much the same way.........brilliant!

Coffee wore skates two sizes to small but the thing that always stood out for me.When he skated there was very little sound .Most powerful skaters ripped the ice up not Coffee he was whisper quite.

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#172 Wax Man Riley
July 24 2013, 07:01PM
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By the way....

Where is Wes? Aka Walter?

I'm surprised he hasn't weighed in yet

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#173 @Oilanderp
July 24 2013, 07:59PM
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Here's another 50¢, Gregor. Commenter's Я Dumb.

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#174 Rob...
July 24 2013, 08:59PM
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@@Oilanderp

Let me introduce you to this thing called a mirror.

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#175 Quicksilver ballet
July 24 2013, 10:34PM
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Wait for 2 or 3 yrs. Poile will be on his hands and knees trying to move Weber. Edmonton could probably land Weber for a Lander and Petry type package. With another blow to the US economy imminent, that ownership group in Nashville could soon be looking to seriously lighten the load. Paul Holmgren has single handedly handcuffed that franchise for the next decade.

Tip of the hat to Pajamah. Standing up for what you believe isn't the easiest thing to do. It takes a confident man to choose the path least travelled.

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#176 Taylor Gang
July 24 2013, 10:44PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Wait for 2 or 3 yrs. Poile will be on his hands and knees trying to move Weber. Edmonton could probably land Weber for a Lander and Petry type package. With another blow to the US economy imminent, that ownership group in Nashville could soon be looking to seriously lighten the load. Paul Holmgren has single handedly handcuffed that franchise for the next decade.

Tip of the hat to Pajamah. Standing up for what you believe isn't the easiest thing to do. It takes a confident man to choose the path least travelled.

Why are you so hung up on the economics of right now? Think about if they moved Weber. Who in Nashville will want to go to their games after he's gone?? Weber is the star of Nashville, and stars generate interest. That's how it works. Don't you think that Nashville thought about that before they matched the offer sheet?

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#177 Quicksilver ballet
July 24 2013, 10:57PM
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@Taylor Gang

There may not even be any NHL hockey in Nashville in a couple years. 2 or 3 teams will probably need to be relocated. Or, maybe the emergence of Roman Josi, along with landing Seth Jones, allows them to rid themselves of this burden/provides them with options.

The 27 million they've given to Shea Weber is of no concern to Poile now, it belongs to someone else and is of no concern to them. The remaining 83 million, might just be of some concern though.

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#178 messyEH!
July 25 2013, 02:42AM
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Oscar, the next 3 first rounders and 21 million would get this done.

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#179 mayorblaine
July 25 2013, 06:29AM
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the best part of the blog isn't the blog itself, but the way one guy was upset and in turn EVERYONE else got upset.

i didn't find the blog funny either but meh. the humour was provided anyway. thanks.

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#180 magisterrex
July 25 2013, 07:21AM
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I thought this article was hilarious and spot-on. The comment section was an added bonus to the overall mirth provided. Thank-you, Gregor!

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#181 messyEH!
July 25 2013, 09:22AM
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We don't need Webber...

http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2013-06-28/nhl-draft-2013-darnell-nurse-scouting-report-shea-weber-nashville-predators-ryan

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#182 men without banners
July 25 2013, 10:26AM
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rickithebear wrote:

The average EVGA is 2.33/60 the Average Special team G rate is 6.00 PPGF/60 and 6.00 PKGA/60.

People talk about the minutes a players eats up. Weber is a big minutes eater. he played 24.85 minutes a night.

I allways ask are they good minutes or bad minutes. there is 48 even minutes 6 pp minute 6 pk minutes

for three even d pairs that is 16 min per.

Weber Even; 19.4 min/gm +3.4Min .064 comp 19th hardest in league (1st comp) 0.72 EVP/60 65th best 2.24 EVGA/60 (+2G) better than average for year

PK 1.88 min/gm 10.64 GA/60 worst in league (-12G)

PP 3.57 min/gm 4.2 PPPT/60 24th best in league 6.65 PPGF/60 (+3G)

Weber Did eat alot of minutes versus 1st comp. The desire is to get a D pair that can break even or beter 1st comp.to alow the rest of team to kill lower comp. weber was part of the 5th best tough comp even dpair in the Game.

Weber was the worst dman in the game on PK and cost his team 12 goals to average. you cannot make up for that kind of bad. he should not get any minutes on PK. Weber was +3g to average in the PP.

So relative to average performance he was -7 this year. Should have played 19.4 Even and 3.57 min PP with zero PK and he would have been +5. for 7.8M. though he would lokly only got 2nd unit minutes cause shultz is better on PP.

Jeff petry; Even 17.3 min/gm +1.1Min .038 comp 34th hardestin league (1st comp) 0.84EVP/60 43rd best 2.26 EVGA/60 (+2G) better than average for year he was on the third best even Dpair in the Game.

PK 3.26 min/gm 4.22 GA/60 17th best in league. (+8G)

He was a 20.56 min a night Dman facing the other teams best offence every night. pk minutes ar alot tougher than pp minutes.

So as as a Gm managing a cap. do you bring in weber at 7.8M to have equal results facing first comp and 1st/2nd unit minutes and no PK.

or do you stay with Petry who get s us +3G more for the year at 6.1M less against the cap.

Weber Even very good minutes Pk very bad minutes Pp slightly above Average. (-7)

Petry; even very good minutes. PK very good minutes. (+10)

Petie needs to forward this information to his agent...

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#183 Joy S. Lee
July 25 2013, 11:02AM
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My opinion of Weber: good defenseman, wide load, physical, tough, booming shot, decent skater... and hmm.

Sorry, but Weber doesn't jump off the page for me the way he does for some of you, like Gregor. Everyone declared him the best a couple of years ago, and I just never did see it to that degree.

Thing is, Ryan Suter sure helped Weber look good. Seems like every team he's played for, Weber's had an outstanding D-partner.

I think you'd be overpaying for someone who's valuable, but not as valuable as the payment you're all discussing as compensation. Besides, our defense is shaping up just fine, we have one more year of dealing with the unknown on that, and then the future core of our defense starts to gel, with potential surprises from every direction. (Who knows when Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Musil, Simpson, Gernat, and so on, will be ready, but it only takes one or two to make a leap in their evolution to completely change the mix.) I think giving up the farm and more depth would be a mistake to bring in this HUGE contract with this "dream" player everyone here has been talking about for years. It might have helped a year or two ago, but now it's too late. Please proceed as you are, Oilers, and leave this idea alone.

(PS: Want a franchise defenseman? Maybe an up and coming version? Ask for Seth Jones, instead. He might not cost you as much, either, and would be a far better bargain and long-term fit.)

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#184 Darrell
July 25 2013, 12:14PM
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messyEH! wrote:

We don't need Webber...

http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2013-06-28/nhl-draft-2013-darnell-nurse-scouting-report-shea-weber-nashville-predators-ryan

Great article - would you package Nurse and Gags ++ for Weber and a center ? Nashville gets another stud for their rebuild and we get immediate help to make the playoffs ....

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#185 Saytalk
July 25 2013, 03:49PM
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I think it would be more reasonable to hope that 1 or 2 of J.Schultz, Klefbom or Nurse emerge into a solid EV first pairing defenceman that can anchor either the PP or the PK (unlikely that one guy does both), with the other 5 defencemen contributing their part, such that the need for Weber is somewhat (but not entirely) mitigated. This would also be more manageable with respect to operating under the salary cap given how much money this team is spending on all of its forwards.

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#186 rickithebear
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@G Money

G money: look at my comments at lowetide.

you like to look at shot rate. i like GA.

how do we get there. 1. Corsi is only effective if we know the opposition pocession count. largely influenced by success of our forward and system. Corsi/Pocession. Would be nice to know who has the better ratio.

2. then there is puck path influenc of the D Blocking shots and pressuring opponents for missed shots. Shots/Corsi wonder who has the better ratio. you like to measure at this point. Shots/GM

problem you ignore the x,Y location of Shot Type of Shot Who is shooting Location on Goalie. Which is saves versu ahots faced? Sv/SA = SAVE% which is pretty obvious not just about the goalie.

Relative to performance in GF on the PP and GA at even and PK. Weber did not give you as big a GD affect as petry.

But did you look at the stats. Weber even resuls are equal or better to petry. And smid-petry is a great sum of there parts.

Were the diffrence is in PK. Which has equal importance as the PP. Petry was one of the best Pk d in the game and his GD affect was superior to Webers GD affect on the PP.

Sadly alot of offensive D get paid for racking up high point counts on the PP that have limited affect on the overall GD in the Game. they get paid largely cause the y get high minutes on PP.

Shea weber was the 29th best production rate of the top 90 PP dmen. Yet he had the 7th most minutes on pp in the game. So he finished 14th in PP points.

what is better is D that have equal or better affect on the Pk do not get paid for that result.

So you get alot better bang for your Cap dollar from a stronger even pt, evga, PKga. player when it comes to winning and you pay silly money to dmen getting large points on PP while not really changing many games.

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#187 rickithebear
July 26 2013, 10:46AM
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Saytalk: You kind of hit it on the head.

Good evGA dmen with a high even assit count have the best Goal differential affect on winning! Getting these types with a strong Pk presence. What we should target. Petry: top 30 EVA top 45 EVP top 7 tough comp D

D. Grebeshkov: top 15 EVP top 10 EVA

below 1.90GA/60 without gilbert and Staios A. ference Top 35 EVP top 60 EVA top end 2nd comp GA Dman.

J. schultz top 30 EVA top 70 EVP 4th worst Ga dman in game

N. schultz top 70 EVA top 90 EVP 10th worst GA dman in game. A plus player without J. Schultz

Belov: top 10 Points KHL Top 10 +/-

Smid 9EVA top 7 tough comp Dman.

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