A TRADE PROPOSERS DREAM...

Jason Gregor
July 24 2013 11:03AM

The day is finally here. Shea Weber can officially be traded. OMG.

I'm sure Craig MacTavish had a reminder in his phone to call David Poile this morning.

And the conversation went something like this....**

MacT: David, my man, what is happening. You been to Tootsies lately?

Poile: MacT, things are well. I only go to Tootsies during the season. I like to interact with the fans.

MacT: Smart. I just go to the bar outside our dressing room at Rexall. Some nights I need a beer just to watch our games...Anyways... I was thinking we should talk about a Weber deal.

Poile: Are you serious?

MacT: I've received loads of emails from fans outlining what it would take, so I want you to hear them. I've had a tough summer.

Poile: Awesome. I love fan proposals. Usually they are very fair.

MacT: How about Nick Schultz, Ales Hemsky, a 2014 first rounder and Linus Omark. He's the best forward not in the NHL.

Poile: Good one. I'll take two guys with one year remaining on their deals, and a guy who is great in shootouts. My fans would love it. I think my owner would be even happier. He's paid Weber $27 million for 48  games. I'm sure he wants to sell low now. You got any other offers, I need a good laugh.

MacT: You bet. My inbox had lots, plus when I listen to Gregor's show I hear some beauties from callers and texters.

Poile: One day I'd love to announce one of those trades. Just for fun. Too bad you can't make trades on April Fools Day.

MacT: Okay...how about this one... (laughs)... Jeff Petry, Ales Hemsky, Teemu Hartikainen, he was just invited to Finland's Olympic camp, Marc Arcobello, he's a skilled forward, and Omark, the best player not in...(bursts out laughing)... Sorry I can't even finish that statement. Best player not in NHL...Have any of those guys ever panned out.

Poile: Don't get me started. F*&*(#)* Radulov. They should have called him best floater not in the NHL. You thought Penner was a floater, hell, at least Penner had a pulse, a sense of a humour and he'd fill up on pancakes in the morning. Radulov loved vodka and late night clubs. That prick would booze it up in the playoffs. Now I'm annoyed. Any proposals that don't involve me bending over and holding my feet?

Mact: I love hearing you get riled up. I guess Pens wasn't that bad after all, and he is funny.

Poile: I'm going to go on a fanboard site and say you like him and tried to sign him.

MacT: Screw you, I had some people in Edmonton actually think he'd be a good fit for our team. So... honestly what will it take to get Weber.

Poile: I've paid him $27 million the past 12 months for 48 (*$&#()@ games. I'd need a lot. I'd need one of Hall, Eberle or Yakupov, and then Gagner plus something else. My fans are rabid, but after Weber, Rinne and Mr. Underwood they couldn't name two players. I need offence, and you have a lot of it. You pick which winger to give me along with Gagner and your 2014 first rounder...

MacT: That is steep. Can't do it.

Poile: How about I take Omark in the deal.

MacT: I can't give you one of those kids, Gagner AND Omark. The fans would revolt. Most believe he could be the main piece in the Weber deal. Good grief Dave, wake up.

Poile: (laughs)... Now you're fired up...So one of the kids and Gagner is a no go?

MacT: Will you throw in Rinne with Weber?

Poile: We're done. See you in late November....I'll take you to Tootsies. I have a VIP table. Do me a favour and bring some of those emails, I'll likely need a good chuckle.

**This was not an actual conversation...Well, we can't confirm that it was...**

RECENTLY BY JASON GREGOR 

 

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#1 Spydyr
July 24 2013, 11:31AM
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What if we throw in one of Lowe's rings?

He has six you know.

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#2 YFC Prez
July 24 2013, 11:12AM
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Fairly intelligent suggested trades from our fan base? Aren't they always. Especially for weber?

this article gave me a good chuckle. Thanks Jason

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#3 Mikey
July 24 2013, 11:15AM
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Gregor, I think you seriously under value Omark.

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#5 Clarko
July 24 2013, 12:02PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I am the last guy here who thinks 3-4 spare parts are going to get you one of the top 10 D-men in the game today, but this article is ridiculous.

First off, I guarantee Mac-T doesn't listen to your show, read your blogs, or read your blurbs in the paper. The people who DO however, are typically the people you are insulting with this article.

Sure, they're dreaming, if they think we'll ever get Weber, and sure their trade proposals are asinine.

In the end though, Gregor, calling Oiler fans, and by extension, YOUR fans, idiots, is both indicative of the columns you write, show you host, and is down right pathetic.

As you always say, BE BETTER!

Wow...lighten up. First of all, he is only calling out a select few on their asinine trade proposals. Just because somebody proposes something idiotic, doesn't make them an idiot.

Second, you don't know if MacT listens to Gregor's show or read his articles, but more importantly, it doesn't matter. The article was meant to be a spoof on a conversation for fun!

Again...lighten up!!

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#6 Zamboni Driver
July 24 2013, 11:31AM
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@The Soup Fascist

Well...we did have Tambellini for three years...

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#7 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2013, 12:35PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Hey, if its a way to stop his listeners from calling or texting in a dumb proposal, fantastic.

I'm pretty sick and tired of the bad proposals too, but it is fun to try and estimate what it would take.

And in that case, I'm pretty much in the same boat as Gregor, probably Eberle, another mid-level roster player, and either a very highly rated prospect, or a mid level and a high pick.

In the end, what I am saying, is leave it to the commenters to hold another of their peers accountable for stupid trade offers, as someone who is trying to increase his share of viewers/listeners, I don't think calling out a section of the fan base will do it.

Sounds like you feel Gregor is treating those with inane trade proposals as "second tier" Nation fans.

No one would be dumb enough to intentionally alienate a large portion of their fan base ...... well almost no one.

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#8 Zamboni Driver
July 24 2013, 01:14PM
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I would be much more interested in what Mr. Humourless had to say, but I'm way WAY too puzzled.

This 'business man' is not sure if his business is three million or four.

Because really. It's the same either way.

Or, you know 25% different.

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#9 G Money
July 24 2013, 11:30AM
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I'd rather trade Omark for Crosby and Hemsky for Doughty. *That's* the ticket.

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#10 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2013, 11:30AM
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Why does everyone assume that Ryan Lochte or Miss South Carolina are managing NHL teams?

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#11 Rob...
July 24 2013, 11:52AM
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If we hung a ring of Mundare garlic sausage around Omark's neck do you think we could get interest from the Coyotes?

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#12 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2013, 12:02PM
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Yes please be better, Gregor. I would have preferred if you had broken down the rel Corsi of top 6 NHL forwards under the age of 26, who were born on a Wednesday.

That would be far more entertaining than a fine satirical piece that pokes a little fun at all of us armchair GMs.

Signed, Almost no one.

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#13 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2013, 02:19PM
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Pajamah wrote:

How is that any different than people telling me I am wrong "because it is infact funny"

You say potatoe, is say potato.

When I say that is the problem, is maybe myself, and others here, argued too much about how it is insulting to fans. that might not be the lynch pin of deconstructing why I didn't like the article.

After this comment, I will back-off and hopefully like the rest of the commenters here, just go back to enjoying the substance of the site, including some of the great comments.

Not at all. You have every right to find something not funny. However, when you scold a blogger to "be better" and say his comments "missed the mark, badly", expect some flack - especially when the vast majority of readers thought it was funny.

Add in a pinch of pretention by ensuring everyone knows you run a multi-million dollar company. Mix in some subtle douchiness by indicating your sense of humour is the benchmark all others should strive for and ..... voila .... 3 or more pages of comments.

Well done!

If you REALLY want to stir things up make sure you sneak in that your (import) car retails well into six figures.

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#14 match16
July 24 2013, 04:13PM
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Jordan Nugent-Hallkins wrote:

I say Brownlee should bring back NewAgeSys, reading that guy's comments made my day.

because it takes the whole day to read them?

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#15 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 04:40PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Puanjamah,now that you got all the attention you wanted/needed time to get back to sorting those bottles at the bottle depot.

I read somewhere that people who are starved for raffish attention, its because probably they were not weaned from their mamas t....ty till they were 16 years old.

Please, I was almost completely off the boob by 7 or 8. She pumped until I moved out though.

And didn't you hear? I run the bottle depot, you know, not trying to brag or anything.

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#16 Bucknuck
July 24 2013, 06:02PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Also.....I've been meaning to bring this up but I didn't want the blog to go all Pajahama on me.....

But ........and here it is.......gulp.......am I the only one who has some concerns about J Scultz??........yes I like him.....and yes I'm glad he picked the Oil....and yes I see a young Dman who skates well and plays with his head up.....but he does seem to be on the ice for a lot of goals...and he does look a little lost on the powerplay in the bigs.......

Don't get me wrong...I still expect good things from him moving forward....but it seems that in this town, he's being hailed as the next coming of Rob Neidermier....and I'm a little worried he may be getting overhyped.......is he really going to be the next Drew Doughty or Kris Letang......odds are....not....

I think you meant SCOTT Niedermayer, and comparing a rookie to star players is usually a mistake, since it would be very hard to live up to.

Watching him play, he looked very much like what he is: an offensively gifted ROOKIE. I suspect he will put up better numbers and look a lot less lost this coming year.

He's a player.

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#17 Nick
July 24 2013, 11:18AM
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TonyDanzaPervo wrote:

What the hell was the point of this?

If you missed the point, then we can't help you. We've had to read about asinine trade proposals regarding Weber for months. This is spoof on those.

Good stuff Gregor, made me laugh. Especially because some fans actually believe their proposals are fair. Guys in my office are loving reading this, because one of them has argued for months we should get Weber and he kept including Omark. Awesome.

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#18 Mumbai Max
July 24 2013, 11:23AM
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Do we still have the NHL rights to Alexei Mikhnov and Jani Rita? We could throw them in! Two of the top 1000 hockey players to never make the NHL. They could form an entire line with Omark.

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#19 oliveoilers
July 24 2013, 11:47AM
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We need to clone Omark. Aint no way Poile's turning down TWO Omarks, no how!

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#20 Rob...
July 24 2013, 12:22PM
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@Pajamah

Stating that you run a 3-4 million dollar company and eluding to the idea that it makes you an expert in all client/business relations doesn't seem pretentious and indignant?

If you've listened to Gregor's show he slams Omark trade proposals on air too. The fans of the show had better expect it, because it's not out of the ordinary.

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#21 The Beaker
July 24 2013, 12:42PM
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@Craig1981

Thats a bit of a misnomer. They dont need 4 1st rounders and 23 million $. The 4 first rounders are worth significantly less to nashville then really nhl players for a couple of reasons.

1. They cant stay at the bottom of the league forever and continue to exist. They need to keep ppl coming in the door and while 4 1st rounders sounds great to us we live in the land of the draft so... In reality they cannot wait for all those assets to come to fruition.

2. If Philly had landed Weber those first round picks basically would not be top 15 picks guaranteed.

Im not saying that trade proposal is valid or not, just saying the logic that it has to be 4 1st rounders worth of value is flawed.

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#22 Mikey
July 24 2013, 12:51PM
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Grahaeme wrote:

Nice one Gregor. I can only hope the Nation recognises the irony.

#havemydoubts

Irony?

#overyourhead

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#23 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
July 24 2013, 01:09PM
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Some of you guys need to get a sense of humor. I see no reason why this would offend you, unless you actually thought Hemsky++ would get you Weber. In which case, this article is definitely aimed at you.

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#24 dougtheslug
July 24 2013, 02:05PM
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@Pajamah

This guy is great!! A new and perfectly acceptable aquisition to play on a line with with DSF and NAS. The only thing missing on the site is a negative props button - Pajamah would be giving DSF a real run for his records.

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#25 Reg Dunlop
July 24 2013, 02:39PM
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@Pajamah

Just how do you balance managing a multi-mil company with wasting your afternoon here on ON? You must be phenomenal at multitasking. I have a tough time oogling porn and commenting here.

As for Weber, I hope we don't have to give up Omark when we make the deal.

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#26 Spydyr
July 24 2013, 06:25PM
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voom04 wrote:

Paul Coffey 79-80-Kitchener Rangers-52games 19g52a71pts 80-81 Oil 74games9g23a32pts+-(-15) Justin Schultz 2012-13-Oakcity barons34games18g30a48pts+-(+8) 12-13 Oil 48games8g19a27pts+-(-17)

You obviously never seen Coffee skate in person.

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#27 Quicksilver ballet
July 24 2013, 10:34PM
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Wait for 2 or 3 yrs. Poile will be on his hands and knees trying to move Weber. Edmonton could probably land Weber for a Lander and Petry type package. With another blow to the US economy imminent, that ownership group in Nashville could soon be looking to seriously lighten the load. Paul Holmgren has single handedly handcuffed that franchise for the next decade.

Tip of the hat to Pajamah. Standing up for what you believe isn't the easiest thing to do. It takes a confident man to choose the path least travelled.

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#28 TeeVee
July 24 2013, 11:13AM
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Weber for Hemsky, Klefbom and a 1st.

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#29 Zamboni Driver
July 24 2013, 11:20AM
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The Omark stuff always is good for a chuckle.

A guy who couldn't play on the worst team in the NHL really is just misunderstood.

Yeah, but he had all those points in SWITZERLAND or wherever.

Feel free to correct me, but understand...I don't know and I don't care.

Makes me wistful for those carefree days of thinking Robbie was going to light it up and come back to haunt us.

*sigh*

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#30 MG
July 24 2013, 11:23AM
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This might possibly be the best thing I've ever read on this site, if not among the top contenders. Thanks for the laugh!

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#31 book¡e
July 24 2013, 11:24AM
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TonyDanzaPervo wrote:

What the hell was the point of this?

It's July 24th, you figure it out.

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#32 Lummeropenet
July 24 2013, 11:45AM
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Could very likely be the greatest post i've read on any Oiler Blog.

All I can say Gregor is MORE!!

Did you cut and paste from that Hockey Buzz site?

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#33 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 12:07PM
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Clarko wrote:

Wow...lighten up. First of all, he is only calling out a select few on their asinine trade proposals. Just because somebody proposes something idiotic, doesn't make them an idiot.

Second, you don't know if MacT listens to Gregor's show or read his articles, but more importantly, it doesn't matter. The article was meant to be a spoof on a conversation for fun!

Again...lighten up!!

Only my opinion, it doesnt come off satirical, it comes off pretentious and indignant.

I run a 3-4 million dollar business, if I were to send a flyer to all my customers spoofing how they always asked "durr, how come your price is so high?" I guarantee I would lose business.

But hey, Im not in media/journalism, if the majority of people here enjoy this, then great, Gregor did his job well. I just don't find it funny.

To each their own.

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#34 Asian on Oilers Nation
July 24 2013, 12:23PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I am the last guy here who thinks 3-4 spare parts are going to get you one of the top 10 D-men in the game today, but this article is ridiculous.

First off, I guarantee Mac-T doesn't listen to your show, read your blogs, or read your blurbs in the paper. The people who DO however, are typically the people you are insulting with this article.

Sure, they're dreaming, if they think we'll ever get Weber, and sure their trade proposals are asinine.

In the end though, Gregor, calling Oiler fans, and by extension, YOUR fans, idiots, is both indicative of the columns you write, show you host, and is down right pathetic.

As you always say, BE BETTER!

Someone needs to get the "pussy control" here. I think mom agrees.

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#35 StHenriOilBomb
July 24 2013, 12:24PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I am the last guy here who thinks 3-4 spare parts are going to get you one of the top 10 D-men in the game today, but this article is ridiculous.

First off, I guarantee Mac-T doesn't listen to your show, read your blogs, or read your blurbs in the paper. The people who DO however, are typically the people you are insulting with this article.

Sure, they're dreaming, if they think we'll ever get Weber, and sure their trade proposals are asinine.

In the end though, Gregor, calling Oiler fans, and by extension, YOUR fans, idiots, is both indicative of the columns you write, show you host, and is down right pathetic.

As you always say, BE BETTER!

One thing I like about this site is when the bloggers and regulars demand that the commentary BE BETTER.

If this insults someone who proves himself to have never bothered to read or absorb any of the content here by suggesting N.Shultz and Hemsky gets you Weber; so be it. The quality of content is the reason this is one of the only sites' comment sections I bother to scroll.

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#36 Nate
July 24 2013, 12:27PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Oh, it was plenty funny, in a "look how stupid my listeners are" kind of way.

My assumption is media types, be it MSM, bloggers, whoever, all share the common goal of getting more viewer/listener-ship, as it were.

Now say I am your favorite blogger, and I say anyone who uses quotation marks in a comment is mentally retarded. Why in the hell would you read my articles, if I think of you as less than me, and use my position in the media/blogosphere to berate you.

Rule in business, don't purposefully piss off your customers.

Seems to me like you're the only one upset, everyone else enjoyed a good laugh

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#37 Yakman
July 24 2013, 12:31PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Only my opinion, it doesnt come off satirical, it comes off pretentious and indignant.

I run a 3-4 million dollar business, if I were to send a flyer to all my customers spoofing how they always asked "durr, how come your price is so high?" I guarantee I would lose business.

But hey, Im not in media/journalism, if the majority of people here enjoy this, then great, Gregor did his job well. I just don't find it funny.

To each their own.

Yeah, I think you are in the minority on this one. I thought it was hilarious. Humor is very subjective though.

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#38 G Money
July 24 2013, 12:49PM
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Hey Gregor - Pajamah, certified business expert, is warning you about pissing off your fans! He's right, you better be careful, or they'll be demanding a refund! Oh ... wait ...

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#39 Shaner
July 24 2013, 01:28PM
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Well done Gregor, well done

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#40 tileguy
July 24 2013, 01:30PM
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okay, time for a little reality. Proffesional bloggers are paid by the number of comments they get on each article, about 50 cents per comment(isn't that right Gregor?). So, on a lame day article he will make up a fictitious character like a "pajamah" and have him say something contreversial in order to generate comments and make mo money.

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#41 tileguy
July 24 2013, 01:44PM
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Lol. that pajamah guy is so not real.

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#42 oliveoilers
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tileguy wrote:

okay, time for a little reality. Proffesional bloggers are paid by the number of comments they get on each article, about 50 cents per comment(isn't that right Gregor?). So, on a lame day article he will make up a fictitious character like a "pajamah" and have him say something contreversial in order to generate comments and make mo money.

Keep going Gregor, your almost up to $40. Not bad for a days work, you money makin' playa!

Thanks for blowing the whistle on this corporate conspiracy, tileguy. Just told the wife that I've quit my job to become a professional blogger and she started crying when I told her how much I could make and the insider tip you gave me! Tears of joy, no doubt.

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#43 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2013, 01:54PM
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The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33 wrote:

Thanks for this JG. I had a good laugh.

And for those who can't seem to find the humour in this, c'mon man! I get it, we've sucked for a long time and you're angry. If we've only sucked for 3 or 4 years I can understand but we've sucked for almost a decade now (except one year). If you haven't developed a sense of humour about our Oilers by now, then you might just need to quit them.

So ... is it fair to say you think the Oilers have sucked, then?

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#44 Czar
July 24 2013, 02:11PM
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Apparently Luongo has hired a new agent, think he's trying to negotiate an extension? Think we could get him for Omark and a 3rd?

BOOM! Another 50 cents Gregor, your welcome!

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#45 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 02:29PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Not at all. You have every right to find something not funny. However, when you scold a blogger to "be better" and say his comments "missed the mark, badly", expect some flack - especially when the vast majority of readers thought it was funny.

Add in a pinch of pretention by ensuring everyone knows you run a multi-million dollar company. Mix in some subtle douchiness by indicating your sense of humour is the benchmark all others should strive for and ..... voila .... 3 or more pages of comments.

Well done!

If you REALLY want to stir things up make sure you sneak in that your (import) car retails well into six figures.

Fair enough. The revenues of the company matter not, and it was irrelevant to the conversation. The point I tried to get across was just that it seemed that the article went out of its way to insult fans, and that someone in business should be more aware of how to treat "customers"

And what I should've said was that my sense of humor was only intuned to what I found funny.

Not the person I am,or am trying to portray, so for that I apologize.

Not trying to flame, or troll, just wanted to add my perspective. If its not met with agreement, then its my opinion alone, and will accept when someone feels I am wrong.

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#46 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 24 2013, 02:32PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I am the last guy here who thinks 3-4 spare parts are going to get you one of the top 10 D-men in the game today, but this article is ridiculous.

First off, I guarantee Mac-T doesn't listen to your show, read your blogs, or read your blurbs in the paper. The people who DO however, are typically the people you are insulting with this article.

Sure, they're dreaming, if they think we'll ever get Weber, and sure their trade proposals are asinine.

In the end though, Gregor, calling Oiler fans, and by extension, YOUR fans, idiots, is both indicative of the columns you write, show you host, and is down right pathetic.

As you always say, BE BETTER!

It's humor man! But I do get your point that stupid people have a hard time laughing at themselves.....

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#47 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2013, 02:43PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Feats of Strength during Festivus.......loved it.

Someone posted on Reddit how the royal baby was named after Seinfeld

George (Costanza) Alexander (,Jason) Louis (Dreyfus)

It all makes sense.

Best line of the whole Royal baby hubub came from Jay Onrait, who refered to the new mom as ....

Wait for it ......

KATE MILFINGTON.

Now EVERYBODY has to think that is funny ....right? .....right??

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#48 Rama Lama
July 24 2013, 02:50PM
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Someone had to draft Webber? I think that Seth Jones or Darnell Nurse could be the next Webber or Pronger.

Trading for players by mortgaging your future is a zero sum game.........it may help you in the present but weighed against the future, it's a very risky gamble.

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#49 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 24 2013, 02:53PM
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Seriously ....you should post more often....judging from everything you said...you seem like an honest guy.....

and different perspectives should always be welcomed....especially honest ones....(but be prepared, we ALL take a little heat here every once in a while)

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#50 rickithebear
July 24 2013, 03:14PM
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The average EVGA is 2.33/60 the Average Special team G rate is 6.00 PPGF/60 and 6.00 PKGA/60.

People talk about the minutes a players eats up. Weber is a big minutes eater. he played 24.85 minutes a night.

I allways ask are they good minutes or bad minutes. there is 48 even minutes 6 pp minute 6 pk minutes

for three even d pairs that is 16 min per.

Weber Even; 19.4 min/gm +3.4Min .064 comp 19th hardest in league (1st comp) 0.72 EVP/60 65th best 2.24 EVGA/60 (+2G) better than average for year

PK 1.88 min/gm 10.64 GA/60 worst in league (-12G)

PP 3.57 min/gm 4.2 PPPT/60 24th best in league 6.65 PPGF/60 (+3G)

Weber Did eat alot of minutes versus 1st comp. The desire is to get a D pair that can break even or beter 1st comp.to alow the rest of team to kill lower comp. weber was part of the 5th best tough comp even dpair in the Game.

Weber was the worst dman in the game on PK and cost his team 12 goals to average. you cannot make up for that kind of bad. he should not get any minutes on PK. Weber was +3g to average in the PP.

So relative to average performance he was -7 this year. Should have played 19.4 Even and 3.57 min PP with zero PK and he would have been +5. for 7.8M. though he would lokly only got 2nd unit minutes cause shultz is better on PP.

Jeff petry; Even 17.3 min/gm +1.1Min .038 comp 34th hardestin league (1st comp) 0.84EVP/60 43rd best 2.26 EVGA/60 (+2G) better than average for year he was on the third best even Dpair in the Game.

PK 3.26 min/gm 4.22 GA/60 17th best in league. (+8G)

He was a 20.56 min a night Dman facing the other teams best offence every night. pk minutes ar alot tougher than pp minutes.

So as as a Gm managing a cap. do you bring in weber at 7.8M to have equal results facing first comp and 1st/2nd unit minutes and no PK.

or do you stay with Petry who get s us +3G more for the year at 6.1M less against the cap.

Weber Even very good minutes Pk very bad minutes Pp slightly above Average. (-7)

Petry; even very good minutes. PK very good minutes. (+10)

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