A TRADE PROPOSERS DREAM...

Jason Gregor
July 24 2013 11:03AM

The day is finally here. Shea Weber can officially be traded. OMG.

I'm sure Craig MacTavish had a reminder in his phone to call David Poile this morning.

And the conversation went something like this....**

MacT: David, my man, what is happening. You been to Tootsies lately?

Poile: MacT, things are well. I only go to Tootsies during the season. I like to interact with the fans.

MacT: Smart. I just go to the bar outside our dressing room at Rexall. Some nights I need a beer just to watch our games...Anyways... I was thinking we should talk about a Weber deal.

Poile: Are you serious?

MacT: I've received loads of emails from fans outlining what it would take, so I want you to hear them. I've had a tough summer.

Poile: Awesome. I love fan proposals. Usually they are very fair.

MacT: How about Nick Schultz, Ales Hemsky, a 2014 first rounder and Linus Omark. He's the best forward not in the NHL.

Poile: Good one. I'll take two guys with one year remaining on their deals, and a guy who is great in shootouts. My fans would love it. I think my owner would be even happier. He's paid Weber $27 million for 48  games. I'm sure he wants to sell low now. You got any other offers, I need a good laugh.

MacT: You bet. My inbox had lots, plus when I listen to Gregor's show I hear some beauties from callers and texters.

Poile: One day I'd love to announce one of those trades. Just for fun. Too bad you can't make trades on April Fools Day.

MacT: Okay...how about this one... (laughs)... Jeff Petry, Ales Hemsky, Teemu Hartikainen, he was just invited to Finland's Olympic camp, Marc Arcobello, he's a skilled forward, and Omark, the best player not in...(bursts out laughing)... Sorry I can't even finish that statement. Best player not in NHL...Have any of those guys ever panned out.

Poile: Don't get me started. F*&*(#)* Radulov. They should have called him best floater not in the NHL. You thought Penner was a floater, hell, at least Penner had a pulse, a sense of a humour and he'd fill up on pancakes in the morning. Radulov loved vodka and late night clubs. That prick would booze it up in the playoffs. Now I'm annoyed. Any proposals that don't involve me bending over and holding my feet?

Mact: I love hearing you get riled up. I guess Pens wasn't that bad after all, and he is funny.

Poile: I'm going to go on a fanboard site and say you like him and tried to sign him.

MacT: Screw you, I had some people in Edmonton actually think he'd be a good fit for our team. So... honestly what will it take to get Weber.

Poile: I've paid him $27 million the past 12 months for 48 (*$&#()@ games. I'd need a lot. I'd need one of Hall, Eberle or Yakupov, and then Gagner plus something else. My fans are rabid, but after Weber, Rinne and Mr. Underwood they couldn't name two players. I need offence, and you have a lot of it. You pick which winger to give me along with Gagner and your 2014 first rounder...

MacT: That is steep. Can't do it.

Poile: How about I take Omark in the deal.

MacT: I can't give you one of those kids, Gagner AND Omark. The fans would revolt. Most believe he could be the main piece in the Weber deal. Good grief Dave, wake up.

Poile: (laughs)... Now you're fired up...So one of the kids and Gagner is a no go?

MacT: Will you throw in Rinne with Weber?

Poile: We're done. See you in late November....I'll take you to Tootsies. I have a VIP table. Do me a favour and bring some of those emails, I'll likely need a good chuckle.

**This was not an actual conversation...Well, we can't confirm that it was...**

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#51 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 03:21PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

You see just how tricky sarcasm can be ?!?!

gotta use the ~ for sarcasm.

I totally forgot to use them for my first 18 comments on this thread, and you can see the trouble it got me in.

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#52 toprightcorner
July 24 2013, 03:27PM
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@Pajamah

Man have you completely missed the boat on this one. The point, which is always funny, is that it is normal for fans to over value the players on their team as well as make the assumption that it is easy to make a trade for anyone you need.

I feel sorry for anyone who had their feelings hurt by this article because cause they must get offended hundreds of times a day in everyday life and that must be hell!

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#53 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
July 24 2013, 03:37PM
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People seem pretty anxious to find another poster to hate. We should leave Pajamah alone, he's not the hero we need right now.

DSF is.

So we'll hate him. Because he can take it. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A dark knight...

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#54 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 03:42PM
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So......*cough*, how about them Oilers?

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#55 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 04:05PM
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Craig1981 wrote:

Is this multimillion dollar business run you have assiastant night manager at wendy's?

You try one of those Pretzel Bacon Cheeseburgers?

I wish I invented that. Atleast 3-4 million a year I could make off that.

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#56 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
July 24 2013, 04:17PM
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Also.....I've been meaning to bring this up but I didn't want the blog to go all Pajahama on me.....

But ........and here it is.......gulp.......am I the only one who has some concerns about J Scultz??........yes I like him.....and yes I'm glad he picked the Oil....and yes I see a young Dman who skates well and plays with his head up.....but he does seem to be on the ice for a lot of goals...and he does look a little lost on the powerplay in the bigs.......

Don't get me wrong...I still expect good things from him moving forward....but it seems that in this town, he's being hailed as the next coming of Rob Neidermier....and I'm a little worried he may be getting overhyped.......is he really going to be the next Drew Doughty or Kris Letang......odds are....not....

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#57 G Money
July 24 2013, 04:21PM
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@rickithebear

Ricki: I am a fan of Petry and think he'll do better next year. But when your stats clearly show that Petry is a better defender than Weber, YOUR STATS ARE WRONG.

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#58 DC
July 24 2013, 04:23PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Far too fat, with way too much hair on my head to be Gregor. But I can pretend.

Brownlee?

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#59 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 04:24PM
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Brownlee?

SHOW US YOUR CRACK!!!

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#60 Oiler Al
July 24 2013, 04:37PM
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Puanjamah,now that you got all the attention you wanted/needed time to get back to sorting those bottles at the bottle depot.

I read somewhere that people who are starved for raffish attention, its because probably they were not weaned from their mamas t....ty till they were 16 years old.

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#61 Bucknuck
July 24 2013, 06:23PM
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voom04 wrote:

Paul Coffey 79-80-Kitchener Rangers-52games 19g52a71pts 80-81 Oil 74games9g23a32pts+-(-15) Justin Schultz 2012-13-Oakcity barons34games18g30a48pts+-(+8) 12-13 Oil 48games8g19a27pts+-(-17)

I think "Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)" has a legitimate point that comparing a rookie to hall of famers is a risky business. It raises expectations to the point that a decent player can never live up to. Then the player gets run out of town (like Jason Arnott did).

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#62 Wax Man Riley
July 24 2013, 06:36PM
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You obviously never seen Coffee skate in person.

Coffey was insane. He would be behind the net, then in what looked like 3 strides, he would be at the opposing blue line. Just like that.

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#63 Joy S. Lee
July 25 2013, 11:02AM
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My opinion of Weber: good defenseman, wide load, physical, tough, booming shot, decent skater... and hmm.

Sorry, but Weber doesn't jump off the page for me the way he does for some of you, like Gregor. Everyone declared him the best a couple of years ago, and I just never did see it to that degree.

Thing is, Ryan Suter sure helped Weber look good. Seems like every team he's played for, Weber's had an outstanding D-partner.

I think you'd be overpaying for someone who's valuable, but not as valuable as the payment you're all discussing as compensation. Besides, our defense is shaping up just fine, we have one more year of dealing with the unknown on that, and then the future core of our defense starts to gel, with potential surprises from every direction. (Who knows when Nurse, Klefbom, Marincin, Musil, Simpson, Gernat, and so on, will be ready, but it only takes one or two to make a leap in their evolution to completely change the mix.) I think giving up the farm and more depth would be a mistake to bring in this HUGE contract with this "dream" player everyone here has been talking about for years. It might have helped a year or two ago, but now it's too late. Please proceed as you are, Oilers, and leave this idea alone.

(PS: Want a franchise defenseman? Maybe an up and coming version? Ask for Seth Jones, instead. He might not cost you as much, either, and would be a far better bargain and long-term fit.)

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#64 match16
July 24 2013, 11:13AM
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Good stuff

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#65 TonyDanzaPervo
July 24 2013, 11:14AM
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What the hell was the point of this?

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#66 Oilfan69
July 24 2013, 11:14AM
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Wayne is that you? :)

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#67 TeeVee
July 24 2013, 11:19AM
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TonyDanzaPervo wrote:

What the hell was the point of this?

So we could all start being silly again.

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#68 Grahaeme
July 24 2013, 11:21AM
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Mikey wrote:

Gregor, I think you seriously under value Omark.

Nice one Gregor. I can only hope the Nation recognises the irony.

#havemydoubts

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#69 Zamboni Driver
July 24 2013, 11:26AM
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@book¡e

Tony wants us to focus on the huge problem of the absence of a quality RH 4C who can win faceof....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

In July.

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#70 Tim in Kelowna
July 24 2013, 11:28AM
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Haha, Gregor it's a bit early in the day to be crushing pints of Nationbeer.

But seriously, I would hope MacT did make a call this morning. Obviously the price would be steep, but I would be willing to part with a major piece to get Weber.

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#71 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2013, 11:31AM
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Zamboni Driver wrote:

Well...we did have Tambellini for three years...

Touche.

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#72 EHH Team
July 24 2013, 11:40AM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Why does everyone assume that Ryan Lochte or Miss South Carolina are managing NHL teams?

They're not!!! WTF!!!

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#73 Talbot17
July 24 2013, 11:44AM
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Petry, 2014 1st rounder, Hemsky, Gagner....throw in case of Nationbeer to sweeten the deal (or get Poille drunk enough to take it)

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#74 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 11:47AM
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Don't get me wrong, I am the last guy here who thinks 3-4 spare parts are going to get you one of the top 10 D-men in the game today, but this article is ridiculous.

First off, I guarantee Mac-T doesn't listen to your show, read your blogs, or read your blurbs in the paper. The people who DO however, are typically the people you are insulting with this article.

Sure, they're dreaming, if they think we'll ever get Weber, and sure their trade proposals are asinine.

In the end though, Gregor, calling Oiler fans, and by extension, YOUR fans, idiots, is both indicative of the columns you write, show you host, and is down right pathetic.

As you always say, BE BETTER!

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#75 Taylor Gang
July 24 2013, 11:50AM
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JG, not saying that I want to do this trade, because I hate all the Weber proposals, but do you think Yakupov, Klefbom, Musil and a 2014 first would do it?

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#76 tileguy
July 24 2013, 11:52AM
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pretty hard to "be better" in that article, I was grinnin all the way through.

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#77 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 11:59AM
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tileguy wrote:

pretty hard to "be better" in that article, I was grinnin all the way through.

Oh, it was plenty funny, in a "look how stupid my listeners are" kind of way.

My assumption is media types, be it MSM, bloggers, whoever, all share the common goal of getting more viewer/listener-ship, as it were.

Now say I am your favorite blogger, and I say anyone who uses quotation marks in a comment is mentally retarded. Why in the hell would you read my articles, if I think of you as less than me, and use my position in the media/blogosphere to berate you.

Rule in business, don't purposefully piss off your customers.

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#78 OilersBrass
July 24 2013, 11:59AM
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This is by far one of the funniest things I have ever read.

Awesome, Gregor

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#79 nvan97
July 24 2013, 12:06PM
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Weber wouldn't command 1 of the big four. Look at virtually every single star traded in the last 15 years. Almost always involves a good prospect, an underperforming player with good potential and a solid first line, first pairing type of guy. See: Hossa '06, Pronger '05, Pronger '06, Richards '08, Luongo '06. When you trade the star you rarely get a star back.

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#80 oliveoilers
July 24 2013, 12:07PM
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I enjoyed the article. If somebody feels Gregor is calling them an idiot, well if the toque fits......A good end of July, no hockey on the horizon, fun article.

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#81 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 12:12PM
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oliveoilers wrote:

I enjoyed the article. If somebody feels Gregor is calling them an idiot, well if the toque fits......A good end of July, no hockey on the horizon, fun article.

Hey, if its a way to stop his listeners from calling or texting in a dumb proposal, fantastic.

I'm pretty sick and tired of the bad proposals too, but it is fun to try and estimate what it would take.

And in that case, I'm pretty much in the same boat as Gregor, probably Eberle, another mid-level roster player, and either a very highly rated prospect, or a mid level and a high pick.

In the end, what I am saying, is leave it to the commenters to hold another of their peers accountable for stupid trade offers, as someone who is trying to increase his share of viewers/listeners, I don't think calling out a section of the fan base will do it.

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#82 Craig1981
July 24 2013, 12:14PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

JG, not saying that I want to do this trade, because I hate all the Weber proposals, but do you think Yakupov, Klefbom, Musil and a 2014 first would do it?

First ask yourself if the avove are worth 4rst rounders AND 23 million dollars. That's what nashville would need to break even. And you would need to bet breaking even by a large margin. No no no

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#83 tileguy
July 24 2013, 12:16PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Oh, it was plenty funny, in a "look how stupid my listeners are" kind of way.

My assumption is media types, be it MSM, bloggers, whoever, all share the common goal of getting more viewer/listener-ship, as it were.

Now say I am your favorite blogger, and I say anyone who uses quotation marks in a comment is mentally retarded. Why in the hell would you read my articles, if I think of you as less than me, and use my position in the media/blogosphere to berate you.

Rule in business, don't purposefully piss off your customers.

Suppose my fave blogger was newagesystem, and he was to call me "assinine" (mentally retarded is so incorrect), I would thank him twice and wish him a good day. Thank you, thank you.

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#84 Nate
July 24 2013, 12:25PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I am the last guy here who thinks 3-4 spare parts are going to get you one of the top 10 D-men in the game today, but this article is ridiculous.

First off, I guarantee Mac-T doesn't listen to your show, read your blogs, or read your blurbs in the paper. The people who DO however, are typically the people you are insulting with this article.

Sure, they're dreaming, if they think we'll ever get Weber, and sure their trade proposals are asinine.

In the end though, Gregor, calling Oiler fans, and by extension, YOUR fans, idiots, is both indicative of the columns you write, show you host, and is down right pathetic.

As you always say, BE BETTER!

Wow, get a sense of humor...

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#85 Craig MacTambeloweni
July 24 2013, 12:29PM
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@Pajamah

I'm not sure who lit the fuse on your tampon, but I really enjoyed this article. It's easy to be cranky after 7 years of no play offs but thats why these articles are fun. Eager, Omark and our 2014 and 2015 first rounder for Malkin = Stanley cup!!

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#86 nakmuay
July 24 2013, 12:39PM
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Sucking for almost a decade, inept management and calling certain segments of the fan base second tier is a recipe for empty buildings..... .... .... .... Oh wait a minute, no its not.

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#87 Obiwan Eberle - Team Silver Fox
July 24 2013, 12:42PM
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@Pajamah

My favorite part was when you called Gregor pathetic.....on a fan site...

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#88 Shifty203
July 24 2013, 12:49PM
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@Gregor

I still think you're being nice in thinking one of the kids would keep him on the phone. If I were him, it would probably take 2 of the "untouchable" 5 to stop me from hanging up right away.

I'm not saying we should do this, i'm simply saying I believe this is what would be required to keep him on the phone.

One of Eb's, Hall, or RNH. Schultz Jr 2013 1st round pick.

Realisticaly, Polie probably wouldn't even listen to, or consider anything less than this. Weber is far too important to that team.

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#89 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
July 24 2013, 12:53PM
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And we're supposed to have a knowledgeable fan base...

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#90 Shifty203
July 24 2013, 12:53PM
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Shifty203 wrote:

@Gregor

I still think you're being nice in thinking one of the kids would keep him on the phone. If I were him, it would probably take 2 of the "untouchable" 5 to stop me from hanging up right away.

I'm not saying we should do this, i'm simply saying I believe this is what would be required to keep him on the phone.

One of Eb's, Hall, or RNH. Schultz Jr 2013 1st round pick.

Realisticaly, Polie probably wouldn't even listen to, or consider anything less than this. Weber is far too important to that team.

Whoops. That formatted funny. Meant:

One of Hall, Ebs, or RNH, AND Schultz JR, AND the 2014 1st round pick.

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#91 Coco crisp
July 24 2013, 12:56PM
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This was great.

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#92 Top Cheddar
July 24 2013, 12:56PM
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Yakman wrote:

Yeah, I think you are in the minority on this one. I thought it was hilarious. Humor is very subjective though.

It was hilarious. Great piece Gregor! Especially for all of us dedicated daily listeners listening to NHL 13 proposals. Pajamah runs a multi-million dollar business and doesn't share the same sense of humour as us "not in the clouds" folk...

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#93 StHenriOilBomb
July 24 2013, 12:57PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Sounds like you feel Gregor is treating those with inane trade proposals as "second tier" Nation fans.

No one would be dumb enough to intentionally alienate a large portion of their fan base ...... well almost no one.

K-Lowe, anyone?

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#94 Romanus
July 24 2013, 01:04PM
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Mumbai Max wrote:

Do we still have the NHL rights to Alexei Mikhnov and Jani Rita? We could throw them in! Two of the top 1000 hockey players to never make the NHL. They could form an entire line with Omark.

maybe we can re-aquire rights to Schremp while we are at it.

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#95 Czar
July 24 2013, 01:06PM
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Wake up Oilernation,any chance we had of getting Weber left with Horcoff. We better set our sights on Suter,some think he's better than Weber anyway.

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#96 Hayek
July 24 2013, 01:13PM
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You'd probably need to give up one of the Oilers young stars and Justin Schultz just to be able to afford Weber.

I wouldn't do it, but wow, getting a guy like Weber costs a lot in salary.

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#97 Craig1981
July 24 2013, 01:22PM
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The Beaker wrote:

Thats a bit of a misnomer. They dont need 4 1st rounders and 23 million $. The 4 first rounders are worth significantly less to nashville then really nhl players for a couple of reasons.

1. They cant stay at the bottom of the league forever and continue to exist. They need to keep ppl coming in the door and while 4 1st rounders sounds great to us we live in the land of the draft so... In reality they cannot wait for all those assets to come to fruition.

2. If Philly had landed Weber those first round picks basically would not be top 15 picks guaranteed.

Im not saying that trade proposal is valid or not, just saying the logic that it has to be 4 1st rounders worth of value is flawed.

Regardless of how you value four 1rst, Nashville turned them down AND shelled out 23mill when they are broke right now. You would need to make a proposal more appealing than that. The 23 mill is the bigger fact than the draft pics.

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#98 Giant
July 24 2013, 01:27PM
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Pajamah wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I am the last guy here who thinks 3-4 spare parts are going to get you one of the top 10 D-men in the game today, but this article is ridiculous.

First off, I guarantee Mac-T doesn't listen to your show, read your blogs, or read your blurbs in the paper. The people who DO however, are typically the people you are insulting with this article.

Sure, they're dreaming, if they think we'll ever get Weber, and sure their trade proposals are asinine.

In the end though, Gregor, calling Oiler fans, and by extension, YOUR fans, idiots, is both indicative of the columns you write, show you host, and is down right pathetic.

As you always say, BE BETTER!

This made me laugh almost as much as the article.

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#99 French Toast Mafia
July 24 2013, 01:29PM
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Oh, it was plenty funny, in a "look how stupid my listeners are" kind of way.

My assumption is media types, be it MSM, bloggers, whoever, all share the common goal of getting more viewer/listener-ship, as it were.

Now say I am your favorite blogger, and I say anyone who uses quotation marks in a comment is mentally retarded. Why in the hell would you read my articles, if I think of you as less than me, and use my position in the media/blogosphere to berate you.

Rule in business, don't purposefully piss off your customers.

Can't please all the idiots...

You would suggest sugercoating everything that a caller ever says and saying that a great trade idea when it's out to lunch.

Callers, bloggers, whoever, have a freedom of speech to talk about and suggest anything they want. However, they don't get to say anything they want without being ridiculed or told that their ideas are stupid if in fact they are.

If you don't like being called stupid when you say inaccurate or off the wall things then don't say them or go read a different blog.

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#100 madjam
July 24 2013, 01:35PM
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He's our , but at a price we don't want to pay . By signing Weber did Nashville not give up 4 first round picks and get stuck with a contract with huge upfront money ? Therefore , we give up 4 first round picks and Hall and Eberle by retaining half their salaries (about $30M ) just to get Poile to listen . I doubt we want to do that , and even that may not be enough .

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