LANDER HOY!

Lowetide
July 24 2013 06:59PM

As we approach mid-summer, the Edmonton Oilers depth chart at center remains 'one in, one out' with an AHL veteran added for spice. With the Nuge likely unable to battle opening night, and with Boyd Gordon replacing Shawn Horcoff, what is the vision for this position?

Anton Lander had an interesting season in Oklahoma City. He arrived for training camp ready for action, and the OKC Barons had a very nice lineup. Here's the opening night 2012-13 forward group:

  • L1: RNH-Paajarvi-Eberle
  • L2: Green-Martindale-Pitlick
  • L2: Lander-Hartikainen-Arcobello
  • L4: VandeVelde-Byers-Hamilton

The early prospect push was for Tyler Pitlick (and Martindale) but it didn't last long, and frankly Lander's early work was not impressive. "Invisible" was an early description from the fanbase, and his October boxcars (6, 0-0-0 +2) suggested there wasn't a lot getting done with Lander on the ice.

October bled into November and Lander (10, 1-0-1 -2 in November) moved down the depth chart (Arcobello moved to center as the roster shakeup flushed the prospects downward) as the slump continued. It was during that month though that things began to look up, as in early December I suggested:

  • The line of Anton Lander, Teemu Hartikainen and Magnus Paajarvi hasn’t been together long, but there does seem to be chemistry in the group. Now, they’re not scoring goals but do have the puck headed in the right direction. Sure it’s the AHL, but I think we can agree this year’s AHL is extra difficult and that the best minor league in the world is pretty damn tough in normal times. It is the first good sign for Anton Lander in quite a long time, a spark and the hint of a flame.

SWEET JANUARY!

I think that Nordic line was a key to the season, and possibly Lander's North American career. In my opinion, this was the first time since the Atlantic Crossing that Lander felt he was pushing the river. And if we look at his boxcars as the season rolls along, we can see it:

  • October through December: 27, 2-4-6
  • January through April 20, 7-7-14
  • Playoffs: 8, 5-3-8

What's more, Lander's shots-on-goal totals--a reflection of how much more time he was spending at bat (as opposed to in the field) had a very nice direction:

  • Oct through Dec: 29 in 27 games, 1.07 shots-per-game
  • Jan through April: 49 in 20 games, 2.45 shots-per-game
  • Playoffs: 27 in 8 games, 3.38 shots-per-game

Good, good arrows.

MID-APRIL

Craig MacTavish's first move as GM was to recall Anton Lander and Teemu Hartikainen for the time honored 'look-see' late in the season. I believe we got the Harski answer early on in the summer, but Lander remains and the Oilers haven't done a lot to threaten Lander's hold on 4C.

Will Acton is a 4line option with size and experience, but beyond that--and Acton's contract is a small bargain should be make the big club ($680,000 for a 4line C in this day and age is very, very good)--there's not a lot that threatens Lander.

His NHL performance was uneven and of course Lander flourished in the Oklahoma spring. Comparing Lander and Acton offensively at the AHL level leaves little doubt about the better option in that area:

  • Acton: 6.02, 190 (26 years old) 141gp, 15-20-35 (.248 points per game)
  • Lander: 6.00 194 (22 years old) 61, 10-15-25 (.410 points per game)

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

I think the Oilers will be shopping the free agent list until very late (Steckel) and the waiver wire after that (you never know) but as it stands Anton Lander appears to be the better bet for 4C in Edmonton come October.

(Lander photos by Rob Ferguson. All rights reserved)

(I am SO sorry about the title of this post)

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#1 The Beaker
July 24 2013, 07:17PM
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You know what, I'm just glad were not in panic mode about defense right now. Freaking out about center feels new and exciting!

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#2 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 25 2013, 10:13AM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I was referring more to first round draft choices........I was thinking more of trading down to secure a player that "fits the bill", as opposed to taking what happens to be in the pecking order.

So, you'd rather not have: Hall, RNH, Yakipov and Nurse?

FWIW I gather the Oil wanted one of Lindholm or Monahan ahead of Nurse, but given the options, Nurse was a fine choice.

Besides, I suspect the same people complaining about size at C complain about size at D. Don't take Nurse and people will be asking "where's the violence on the D?"

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#3 Smokey
July 24 2013, 07:26PM
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What does it mean?

Means MacT crapped the bed getting suitable NHL talent to round out the Center depth. Unless Arcobello can put up reasonable numbers while RNH heals in October, and Lander or Acton prove to be other then AHL tweeners October could be ugly.

Or MacT something brewing to deal with the obvious shortfall of NHL quality centerman, and we don't know it yet.

Or lastly the the Silver Fox is either smarter then the rest of us, or hes outsmarted himself and come late December we are looking at draft lists.

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#4 The Oilers Shot Clock
July 24 2013, 08:20PM
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Pitlick, Martindale, Hamilton, we really needed one of those to come through.

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#6 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 25 2013, 09:56AM
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Rama Lama wrote:

At some point in time, the Oilers are going to have to draft a player with size, that plays center.

It's not that hard, each and ever year there are players available but we seem so stuck on a BPA strategy that we will draft a small, fast , skilled winger just because he is a couple of spots ahead of the player that we really need. We do it every year, and then complain all year how we have to find a big bodied skilled centerman.

Just draft him......it's not that hard, just takes balls to select someone ahead of their draft order.

Drafted as Cs since 2010:

TYLER PITLICK 6' 2" 195

RYAN MARTINDALE 6' 3" 207

TRAVIS EWANYK 6' 1" 192

BOGDAN YAKIMOV 6’4”, 201

GREG CHASE 6’0, 195

That doesn't include the "smaller" players: RNH (6'1" 185), Platzer and Roy.

Some of those players aren't projecting well, some haven't played C in a long time. Some are simply too early in their development to know what they are/will be.

All of which is to say, the Oil have drafted big Cs. Drafting them isn't the hard part.

The hard part is finding NHL players big or otherwise.

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#7 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 24 2013, 07:43PM
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I've always liked Lander. Every time I mention him, I feel the need to discuss his angular jaw which seems to taunt the opposition.

I think Lander is going to have a solid NHL career. I think, however, he was rushed all the way around and I'm still wondering what the rush is?

I think pegging him for 30-40 games with the Oiler this year is fine (as the outer marker), but his primary home should be OKC.

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#8 Woodguy
July 24 2013, 07:43PM
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I was mentioning this to someone else today too.

Lander finished strong and is probably pencilled in as 4C.

Until RNH gets back he probably gets the 2C work as his offence starting coming along late last year and its easier sledding than 3C work.

Gordon gets the crappy zone starts and tough comp.

Leaves Acton and Miller to fight for 4C coming out of camp until RNH gets back.

Book it.

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#9 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 24 2013, 07:58PM
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Woodguy wrote:

I was mentioning this to someone else today too.

Lander finished strong and is probably pencilled in as 4C.

Until RNH gets back he probably gets the 2C work as his offence starting coming along late last year and its easier sledding than 3C work.

Gordon gets the crappy zone starts and tough comp.

Leaves Acton and Miller to fight for 4C coming out of camp until RNH gets back.

Book it.

Arco not in your plans?

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#10 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 24 2013, 08:09PM
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Woodguy wrote:

What's more, Lander's shots-on-goal totals--a reflection of how much more time he was spending at bat (as opposed to in the field) had a very nice direction: Oct through Dec: 29 in 27 games, 1.07 shots-per-game Jan through April: 49 in 20 games, 2.45 shots-per-game Playoffs: 27 in 8 games, 3.38 shots-per-game

Didn't know that.

The 2.45 is pretty good, the 3.38 is outstanding!

sample size kill joy to the anti-rescue.

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#11 The Oilers Shot Clock
July 24 2013, 08:20PM
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Pitlick, Martindale, Hamilton, we really needed one of those to come through.

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#12 madjam
July 24 2013, 08:42PM
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It's probably not who can do the best of a subpar group , it's whom might do the least amount of damage .

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#13 LinkfromHyrule
July 24 2013, 09:02PM
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october is gonna be scary... I think it might take a few games for this team to find its stride. Hopefully they find it quick, they play a lot of road games against a fair amount of good teams in october...

ugh macT you have something up your sleeve right? right....??!?

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#14 madjam
July 24 2013, 09:11PM
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I'll miss Paajarvi and Harti.. I bet Landie will too. He'll probably be crying himself to sleep most nights without his Maggie. Me? I cry myself to sleep some nights.. Whenever I can't find my teddy bear, that is. This is the life of madjam.

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#15 K_Mart
July 24 2013, 09:18PM
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Our depth in the centre position is bad, and we are without any #1-2 d men, but I'd say we are competitive everywhere else and I don't care that we are small

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#16 Yakman
July 24 2013, 10:14PM
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Arcobello has chemistry with Hall and Eberle... I expect they will at least try that line in exhibition games. Let's be honest... MacT will try Lander, Miller, Arcobello, and Acton in training camp and if they fall On their faces he will pick up a Steckel or Antropov.

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#17 50 in 39
July 24 2013, 10:15PM
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I can't wait to see a healthy Nugent-Hopkins back in the line-up. Last season he was limited all year. I would like to think that he will provide a big upgrade in performance from last year.

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#18 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2013, 11:16PM
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Woogie63 wrote:

The problem with Lander is his jersey number. We will have a log jam of players who want number 57 (who could envision this). Lander should pick number 16, that will instantly improve his results. Nail should also drop 64 and move to number 10. Good hockey numbers = Good hockey results.... Everyone knows that.

Good point. Always hated goofy numbers for no reason. Only guy in the league who should EVER have worn 57 was Steve Heinz(e).

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#19 Westcoastoil
July 25 2013, 12:01AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Trade bait.

Just another soft Euro import with over inflated tires/potential.

...and there it is...the predictable negative comment. Sigh

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#20 Walter Sobchak
July 25 2013, 02:48AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Trade bait.

Just another soft Euro import with over inflated tires/potential.

Agree on the soft part, and the inflated potential!

67 NHL games with a grand total of 7 points! People think he's going to step into the 2-C role?

He couldn't play 4-C, what makes people think he can play 2-C with a new player (Peron) and Yakupov who is just as exciting in the defensive zone as he is in the offensive zone.

I know, the same three people who kept saying Hartiakinen was a Jem in the making!

If this is our centre depth come Oct 1st, by Nov -1st the Oilers will be second last in the West.

Book that!

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#21 Obiwan Eberle - Team Silver Fox
July 25 2013, 10:21AM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

I for one, am very excited to see what our D looks like in 3-4 years

Marincin 6'4" Klefbom 6'3" Nurse 6'5" Gernat 6'4"

That's some height there...big question will be beef. 3 of them are in need of 20lbs

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#22 Ducey
July 25 2013, 11:10AM
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DSF wrote:

This past draft would have been an ideal opportunity to do just that.

While not a giant at 6'00" 210, Bo Horvat was available when the Oilers picked.

Given how many young D they are already developing, Horvat might have been a better pick than Nurse and would have been NHL ready much sooner.

Nurse is a much better prospect than Horvat.

Horvat had 61 pts in 67 games on a stacked London Knights team. He is 6 ft and had 29 PIM. Frankly those are pretty tame boxcars for a guy taken 9th.

Nurse is 6'5" and had 41 pts in 68 games - as a defenseman. Add in elite skating, a terrific athlete, the Scholastic player of the year, and 116 PIMs and I think the Oilers got the better player.

The Oilers could have drafted a C but you go with the best player available. That was Nurse.

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#23 Rama Lama
July 25 2013, 11:22AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I think that is basically right.

You never draft for need, especially in the first round.

Missing out on Lindholm and Monahan ≠ the best option at 7 was Horvat or Gauthier or Lazar.

Now, if one of those players was legit ahead of Nurse on the team's list... fine. You'd hear bloody murder from people but at least you'd be taking who you felt was the BPA.

As no one is able to predict how players will turn out or how they project down the road with any certainty........just how do you square your rationale? If the perfect centre for us was a couple of spots down the list what you are saying is that you pick the player you don't need, just because he is ahead of what you really need.

I find this whole argument void of any logic........each and every year players drafted fail to meet their expectations. Guys drafted in the later rounds often out compete guys drafted ahead of them. When exactly did drafting become an exact science?

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#24 Joy S. Lee
July 25 2013, 11:29AM
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Not sure how this transformed from a story about Anton Lander into a discussion about why they should have picked someone else at #7 at the draft, but....

Darnell Nurse is big, good passer, has athletic bloodlines, and skates REALLY well with that size. And is as mean as mean can be.

On this team, that last part is just what the doctor ordered. Nurse fills that prescription.

Our D is now very well-stocked with plenty of really good potential. The focus can shift to center and goal now as primary needs, with a lookout for a good-sized winger with skill. And I like Lander, think he will be a good bottom 6C and great team guy/leader in Eakins' system.

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#25 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 25 2013, 11:58AM
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Rama Lama wrote:

As no one is able to predict how players will turn out or how they project down the road with any certainty........just how do you square your rationale? If the perfect centre for us was a couple of spots down the list what you are saying is that you pick the player you don't need, just because he is ahead of what you really need.

I find this whole argument void of any logic........each and every year players drafted fail to meet their expectations. Guys drafted in the later rounds often out compete guys drafted ahead of them. When exactly did drafting become an exact science?

Projections are best estimates. You take them in stride, but you don't dismiss them simply because the future = unknown in the last instance.

Dismissing them is a terrible strategy.

Chasing need is stupid. Plain and simple.

What you need, in the last instance, isn't a centre, a defenseman, a winger a goalie, etc.

What you need, in the last instance, is NHL players. The better they are, the better it is for your team.

The idea that you are ever secure at a position and should therefore take a weaker player is stupid.

No one is talking about exact science. We are talking about maximizing opportunity.

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#26 Rocknrolla
July 25 2013, 12:57PM
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Smokey wrote:

What does it mean?

Means MacT crapped the bed getting suitable NHL talent to round out the Center depth. Unless Arcobello can put up reasonable numbers while RNH heals in October, and Lander or Acton prove to be other then AHL tweeners October could be ugly.

Or MacT something brewing to deal with the obvious shortfall of NHL quality centerman, and we don't know it yet.

Or lastly the the Silver Fox is either smarter then the rest of us, or hes outsmarted himself and come late December we are looking at draft lists.

October worries me as well.

New coach, RNH likely misses 3/4, HUUUUUUUGE road trip ala CFR style.

Never ins about 10 new players trying to gel on new lines etc.

This could be a rough start which may be hard to recover from.

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#27 TV6
July 26 2013, 12:10AM
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DSF wrote:

That's assuming there is some objective standard of BPA which, of course, there isn't.

Bob Mckenzie had Nurse listed at #9.

Craig Button had him at #8.

"Past drafts are littered with D drafted in the top 10 who, years later, are not living up to their draft pedigree and many of the best defensemen in the league were selected in the second round

When you consider the Oilers have Klefbom, Marincin et al already in the pipeline, I don't think it would have been a stretch to go for best centre available."

~~~ ~~~

@DSF

How many forwards are littered in past Drafts from the Top 10 as well..?

You seem to point out MPS & Gagner as 2 of them yourself lately... Oh, I forgot, the Oilers drafted them.

So scouts don't have a list as to who THEIR objective standard is toward the BPA in their opinions..?

As for Big Bob's list... He had Horvat at #13 & Nurse at #9, so who is the BPA in his eyes then..? (& the 10 scouts he uses each year to come up with his Draft list)

Bob also had 2 Centers rated higher than Horvat as well.

As for Button... Craig had him at #8 on his Draft list, but also had him going to the Oilers at #7 on his Mock Draft.

Not to mention that he had Horvat at #19 on his list & going #18 in his Mock Draft.

Button had 5 Centers rated before Horvat...

So you mean YOUR opinion who the "Best Center Available" was Horvat then..? The same opinion that there is no "objective standard" with..?

I am having a very HARD time seeing your point here with this...

Oh... There isn't 1... It's just being pedantic once again & putting a Knuck prospect ahead of an Oiler 1.

The transparency is blinding...

x6

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#28 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
July 24 2013, 07:10PM
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I could have sworn Lander was smaller than that. Trying not to be Chicken Little here but I think we should be in at least semi-panic mode with the gaps at center. Someone posted a depth chart of all the centers in our division, and it wasn't very pretty.

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#30 Woodguy
July 24 2013, 07:59PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Arco not in your plans?

Oversight.

Arco and Miller are very similar and since Arco has a year of pro under his belt, it probably gives him the inside track.

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#31 Woodguy
July 24 2013, 08:01PM
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What's more, Lander's shots-on-goal totals--a reflection of how much more time he was spending at bat (as opposed to in the field) had a very nice direction: Oct through Dec: 29 in 27 games, 1.07 shots-per-game Jan through April: 49 in 20 games, 2.45 shots-per-game Playoffs: 27 in 8 games, 3.38 shots-per-game

Didn't know that.

The 2.45 is pretty good, the 3.38 is outstanding!

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#32 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 24 2013, 08:08PM
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Woodguy wrote:

Oversight.

Arco and Miller are very similar and since Arco has a year of pro under his belt, it probably gives him the inside track.

I think it's probably reasonable to consider Arco as a tweener C/W wise anyway.

Though at the NHL level the C depth is less than ideal, MacT has some options in Arco, Miller and Acton for players to fit a variety of roles. One may very well end up in the 12-14 F spot on the wing for a few games or more (if we follow LT's reading of MacT as having Cs everywhere).

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#33 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 24 2013, 08:25PM
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The Oilers Shot Clock wrote:

Pitlick, Martindale, Hamilton, we really needed one of those to come through.

One or more still might.

Highly unlikely at this point. But the day is still young for them... right before dinner time.

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#34 @Oilanderp
July 24 2013, 09:25PM
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You've only made $9 so far this article. Shame. The title screamed success!

(if it's a toss-up at training camp, put Lander in offensive role in OKC, the older more veteran guys can plug the 4th line in edmonton)

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#35 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
July 24 2013, 09:44PM
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@Oilanderp wrote:

You've only made $9 so far this article. Shame. The title screamed success!

(if it's a toss-up at training camp, put Lander in offensive role in OKC, the older more veteran guys can plug the 4th line in edmonton)

I'm going to assume you're joking with the first part there. No one's that petty...

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#36 Will
July 24 2013, 09:48PM
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I think this another case of a good player mismanaged. Hopefully with Mac T at the helm that can turn around.

I am curious about two stats you didn't speak of, namely how are his faceoff numbers, and how is his two way play? The point I;m getting at here is that we couldn't do worse then Belangier, and Lander might just be another case where the Oilers are better purely by the fact they got rid of a terrible player.

So if he can match the face off success, and has a good nose defensively, then right away even bad offense is better than the none Belangier was putting up.

I actually see him and Arcabello switching out of second line C depending on if the game demands more of a defensive presence, or an all out offensive attack.

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#37 ubermiguel
July 24 2013, 09:55PM
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I remember the same things coming up in all of Lander's early scouting reports (for example Copper & Blue's 2009 report, http://www.coppernblue.com/2009/12/3/1183013/a-look-at-anton-lander): hockey IQ, leadership, defense, hard-work, coachable. If he hasn't lost any of those qualities he should be good bet to improve all year as an Oiler and make a case for 3C next year.

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#38 Pajamah
July 24 2013, 10:03PM
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madjam wrote:

It's probably not who can do the best of a subpar group , it's whom might do the least amount of damage .

Which sadly flies in the face of MacT's quote shortly after he was hired, when saying too many Oilers were non-factors.

That said, who is Pittsburgh's 5C, Boston, Chicago etc. and are they better than our bubble players.

It would be great to have 12 forwards every night make a difference, but even the best teams only need sporadic help from their depth.

If Lander can eat up 8 minutes a night, and not be a detriment, then fantastic!

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#39 will
July 24 2013, 10:05PM
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Lowetide wrote:

Not exactly sure what this comment represents, but can tell you I don't make more or less on any one story. I'll say this though: NO ONE at Oilers Nation has ever, EVER said "hey man, we get more hits when you write about this or that" although I'm pretty certain an Anton Lander post isn't going to get as many clicks as something on a more popular player.

I wrote the article because I think Lander's made progress and may well have influenced MacT's summer decisions based on his January+.

Click throughs and dollars never entered my mind, and I can say with authority that Wanye hasn't ever asked/suggested/swayed my content choices.

Ever.

Some asshat posted on Gregor's article earlier that you guys get paid .50 cents per comment, and that articles are then written to generate contentious comments. Everyone has been ripping on him for it.

Having said that, do you have anything to say about Lander's face offs and his defensive game?

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#41 Mike Modano's Dog
July 24 2013, 10:26PM
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Anton and MPS would have torn up the competition if they were allowed to stay together.

Terrible asset management.

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#42 Reg Dunlop
July 24 2013, 10:38PM
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@Will

I see the same thing; little Nuge should miss the first 20 games, until he's hale and hearty. The 2 and 4 centre spots could see a platoon of Lander, Arco, Acton, Miller and Willem Dafoe. Hopefully we can find and ride the hot hand to stay competitive and I think we just might. Youthful enthusiasm tops the malignant Blancmanger and Horc. Go oil. How many sleeps until camp

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#43 madjam
July 24 2013, 10:42PM
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If I am not mistaken Landers and Brown were our most possession nightmares last year . A paltry 25% aprox. I believe . Translated that means play dies on their poseesion 75% of the time . Don't know how that fits into a possession type offence ?

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#44 Soccer Steve
July 24 2013, 10:48PM
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Mike Modano's Dog wrote:

Anton and MPS would have torn up the competition if they were allowed to stay together.

Terrible asset management.

Seriously? You realize you are talking about two bottom-6 (at best) players on one of the worst teams in the league, right? Get over that soft Swede. Oilers crushed that deal.

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#45 Will
July 24 2013, 10:53PM
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Soccer Steve wrote:

Seriously? You realize you are talking about two bottom-6 (at best) players on one of the worst teams in the league, right? Get over that soft Swede. Oilers crushed that deal.

We got the better of the deal, but under a guy like Hitchcock, I bet we all cringe mid season when Paajarvi is coming to town and we have no answer for a line of him Burglund, and maybe even Tarasenko by the sounds of it.

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#46 Hammers
July 24 2013, 11:00PM
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I don't get this jumping around by so many who write in . Here is the main question . Has McT done the job so far re draft and free agency ? For those that think like myself I'm so glad McT is in & Tambo is out . Do I agree with everything he has done ? No, but I agree with about 80% of his decisions. As for Lander he probably deserves a shot at this time . Could McT get a decent center ? Only if he has more cap space . My guess is either a trade or buy-out and that is still possible . Forget Clifford for Marachin / won't happen .That doesn't mean a Marachin type can't get traded or anyone else higher up the pecking order I expect another move but not sure if it's tomorrow or late Sept . Time will tell.

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#47 The Soup Fascist
July 24 2013, 11:04PM
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Matty mentioned the possibility of a Hemsky for Gaustad deal. Predicated on the fact the Preds have virtually zero depth at RW and the Oilers desperately need size and grit and another center - despite what MacT is saying. While it rids the Oilers of a $5 million dollar contract they take a huge hit in the offence department and they are stuck with a $3.25 million headache until the end of 2016. That contract could be a brick when the young'ns need to re-up over the next couple of years. Gaustad has been a boat anchor in Music City but he was a decent player in Buffalo.

What are your thoughts Lowetide? Anyone else??

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#48 BorjeSalming-IanTurnbull
July 24 2013, 11:10PM
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The Belanger experiment and the Horcoff saga should have made us want change. We will all take Gordon over Horcs in the defensive zone and we all can agree Perron is a major upgrade in the PP scenario. Anton Lander is a very solid defensive minded C who makes the easy play out of the zone. When he got hurt last year it was terrible timing for the franchise because of the loss of development.

The new systems that will be put in by the new coach will fit his game to a T and we all will finally have somebody who has stepped up and delivered. I can't remember the last time we had an unsung hero? Jones scoring 17 a couple years back is a great example. I have faith if he can improve his foot speed a bit and gain some confidence in the show the hierarchy is endless.

If RNH can't start the season Taylor Hall will be moved in that role until he returns. Move Hemsky up and bring up Hamilton and Acton. They both know the Eakins system and who knows? The Leafs call ups in the last couple of years have jumped right into NHL seamlessly I must say.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm hoping there is somebody or somebodies in the system right now can fill the hole and the challenge. Stand up and take the job It's right in front of you

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#49 Woogie63
July 24 2013, 11:12PM
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The problem with Lander is his jersey number. We will have a log jam of players who want number 57 (who could envision this). Lander should pick number 16, that will instantly improve his results. Nail should also drop 64 and move to number 10. Good hockey numbers = Good hockey results.... Everyone knows that.

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#50 Quicksilver ballet
July 24 2013, 11:25PM
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Trade bait.

Just another soft Euro import with over inflated tires/potential.

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