THE SEASON AHEAD

Wanye
July 31 2013 11:10AM

Sitting around with the team at NationHQ the conversation never veers far from our beloved Oilers. "Ever hear of the Oilers?" we will often muse aloud to an empty room. "Remember the time they went to the Cup Finals in 2006?"

At this point a tumbleweed or something equally forlorn will roll down the centre of the office and we will go back to playing Clash of Clans, misty eyed with memories of a better time.

But things are starting to pick up around here. Full time staffers are starting to increase, there are ever more people showing up to work. And we get to have actual conversations with actual people. It's all very exciting you see. Like an elderly Fred Durst in the song above - we are ready to go.

Just this morning someone asked "What do you think is going to happen next season Wanye?" We looked at their bright little faces glowing with the expectations of an Oilers fan in late July and said "Well gang, I suspect it will be much like Gloucestershire cheese rolling. We all know what that is right?"

Kids today. They haven't heard of anything good.

EVER SEE THIS? HOLY COW

For the uninformed the Gloucestershire Cheese Rolling - also known as Cooper's Hill Cheese Rolling - is a seemingly straight forward affair. 

"From the top of the hill a 9 lb round of Double Gloucester cheese is rolled, and competitors race down the hill after it.The first person over the finish line at the bottom of the hill wins the cheese. In theory, competitors are aiming to catch the cheese, (which) a one second head start and can reach speeds up to 70 mph (112 km/h),"

This doesn't sound so crazy right? Kinda like the 2013-14 Oilers season we suspect. Last year there was a lockout and the team never really got a chance to gel goes the thinking. There were injuries that affected the standings too and the Oil were probably better than their record indicated.

This year everyone is healthy. The Oil have gone out and made some moves to address glaring holes in the lineup. They have a new GM and a new Coach and a new Captain. Grebeshkov is back. How badly can this go?

OBSERVE HOW BADLY THIS CAN GO

We have a sneaking suspicion that what looks like a straight forward proposition could end up going sideways in a hurry just like the cheese rolling. People going ass over tea kettle left and right. Medics coming out every 10 minutes. Danger lurking around every corner.

Speed. Excitement. Luxury.

The 2013-14 NHL season will have it all we predict. A very straight forward proposition - make the playoffs - could go sideways in a hurry if the Oil don't avoid the dangers in the way.

DANGER ONE: YET ANOTHER REGIME

Pity the poor Fab Five of the Edmonton Oilers. The Nuge has had three coaches in three years. Do you think he has the faintest idea who is going to be telling him where to go score goals on any given night? He probably still wonders what happened to Pat Quinn for heaven's sakes.

"One day he was here telling me to stand on the half wall and dish lazers to Hall" 93 probably whispers to his teddy bear late in the night. "Next thing you know he isn't coming to the rink anymore. I was told he has gone to a ranch to hang out with other Head Coaches like Coach Renney. But sometimes I wonder if that's even a thing."

Pity the poor Oilers and the circus of the franchise they are currently experiencing. Children need consistency and structure. Yet another Coach - no matter how sexy - with yet another spin on how things are going to go could lead to things going ass over tea kettle quickly if we don't get the season started on the right foot. And a new GM? And a new Captain who remains to be named? 

Yikes.

DANGER TWO: STILL NOT ENOUGH THIS

The Oilers have arguably gotten tougher or at least bigger over the summer. With the additions of  Ferrance, Perron and Gordon they can be upgraded from "butter soft" to "pillow soft." But things still need to get a lot tougher, the Oil cannot go on failing to intimidate a single team in the NHL and expect to climb out of the league basement.

Not only would the Oilers have had a tough time competing in the playoffs this year, but 70% of the team would have probably suffered career ending injuries by game 3 of round 1.

Until there are handful of Oilers who will run guys through the boards for laying a hand on our precious Jordan, Taylor, Ryan or Nail they are going to continue to get frustrated, injured or worse. We can link to approximately 1,506,200 articles to this point in the past 5 years but the facts remain that.

The facts.

Year over year over year over year.

DANGER THREE: GOALTENDING = SHAKY

Call us crazy but bringing in LaBarbera and Randy Bachman of BTO and punting Khabibulin doesn't exactly qualify as "fixing the goaltending situation in Edmonton." There are far smarter people who will be able to more intelligently describe what needs to happen between the pipes but suffice to say that the tendy situation doesn't exactly fill us with confidence these days.

Yes, MacT was in the running on a few goalies and he seems to understand the gravity of the situation but that doesn't really keep the biscuit out of the basket on opening night does it?

And to close more people chasing cheese.

That's good hockey commentary right there.

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#1 Ales Hallsky
July 31 2013, 11:17AM
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Danger 1: Soulders Danger 2: Weak shots against from the blue line Danger 3: Opposition with puck in corners

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#2 Czar
July 31 2013, 11:33AM
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The cheese rolling looked more like Flame fans fleeing the bandwagon at the last trade deadline,banana hammocks and all!

Like an elderly Fred Durst in the song above - we are ready to go.

Still laughing at that one, well done Wanye!

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#3 LinkfromHyrule
July 31 2013, 11:48AM
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still don't understand the mistrust in dubnyk, plus how is bringing in a backup who can actually play a few games in a row without being injured not an improvement? Khabby was great, when he wasn't injured. Too bad he was injured all the time.

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#4 LOIL99
July 31 2013, 11:57AM
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I just do not understand the distaste for Dubnyk. He has had a Top 15 Sv% the last 2 years on one of the worst teams in the league. He had a better number than guys like Fleury, Lehtonen, Miller, Hiller, Rinne, Smith, Backstrom.... The list goes on.

OUR GOALTENDING IS FINE IF NOT ABOVE AVERAGE.

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#5 Shredder
July 31 2013, 12:12PM
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I'll agree. Goaltending isn't an issue, it's defense by the forwards. Other than Nuge and Horcoff (who's gone), that didn't really exist. I like the upgrade on defense by defensemen, but the forwards better backcheck like demons.

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#6 Harvey
July 31 2013, 12:17PM
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Totally agree! Dubs is getting better every year. At first he was a bit jittery and had trouble with some positioning. That has proven to have been corrected and his totals on a poor defensive team were above average, even outstanding compared to some of the primadona goalies. With maturity on the team defensive aspects his numbers should even improve further and shutup all the doubters. Now if we can lose the albetrose of Hemsky and his no care, play when he wants attitude that would help. He has always been tagged as talented but last on the ice and first off for practise is not what I would expect from a veteran or a rookie! Can't believe he was made a assistant captain at one point.

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#7 oliveoilers
July 31 2013, 12:26PM
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Good day all! I agree that goaltending is fine, but think that Wanye was maybe alluding to the odd softy that gets through dooby that goes against his otherwise stella tending? Can someone do the stats to see if any of those goals actually costs us games or just GA stats? (I know they certainly didn't help our cause.)

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#8 Ambassador humantorch
July 31 2013, 12:29PM
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Gloucestershire Cheese Rolling looks like the dumbest idea ever. And holy balls I want to do it.

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#9 Bucknuck
July 31 2013, 12:35PM
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Goaltending is not the issue. The defense in front of the goaltending, and the lack of defensive intelligence is.

I think they took a step forward getting Gordon, then a step back dishing Horcoff. So who knows what's going to happen this year.

Reading between the lines in the Hitchcock interview, he basically said Perron is inconsistent in his effort. Did anyone else read it that way? That's the last thing this team needs.

I hope Eakins can get everyone on board with effort, but the last time I thought that, the coach's name was Quinn and we all know how that went.

I think I am too weary of being disappointed to be overly optimistic this year, but I have to admit that this team looks better on paper than any team since 2006. I have some hope for playoff hockey.

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#10 Biscuite
July 31 2013, 12:37PM
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lrn 2 spel plz

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#11 baggedmilk
July 31 2013, 12:38PM
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Classic Wanye article.

Well played, sir!

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#12 Oiler Al
July 31 2013, 12:38PM
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Toughness is a real issues with this team. You run them out of the rink the first period and its pretty much game over.How many times have we seen that happen.!! They are soft on the back end , aswell as on forward. Other than Brown, there is no tough players.. and I dont mean just in the sense of dropping them. I dont care of how much speed you have , you are still going to take rock em sockem hits .. all over the ice, with no come back. Very dissapointed in MacTs efforts in this regard.

Time, to stop hiding behind the "rebuild excuse" and start playing like you are playoff team. Oilers forward payroll is north of $43 million. Thats more than Penguins, Hawkds, Kings, and Bruins. Time for the lads to look around the room and start earning their pay.

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#13 Hall for Captain
July 31 2013, 12:42PM
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Cheeserolling is awesome! Just spent the last 10 minutes of my lunchbreak giggling at my desk. People are looking at me weird. Wanye...maybe we of the Oilernation can do something like this down Grierson hill with a keg of NationBeer! Whatcha think?

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#14 freeze
July 31 2013, 12:54PM
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I will never get sick of people tumbling down a hill after a cheese wheel.

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#15 Jesse
July 31 2013, 01:02PM
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Wanye:

"The Oilers have arguably gotten tougher or at least bigger over the summer. With the additions of Ferrance, Perron and Gordon they can be upgraded from "butter soft" to "pillow soft."

Andrew Ference: 5'11", 189 lbs (Mark Fistric was 6'2" 233) Boyd Gordon: 6'0", 200 lbs (Horcoff was 6'1", 208) David Perron: 6'0", 205 (Paajarvi was 6'3", 208)

How did the influx of these players you mentioned make the team bigger?

Moreover, in two of those three cases, the players coming in were (yes) smaller, but way better players. These moves have had nothing to do with toughness, grit, and size and everything to do with getting better hockey players.

Also, what good does a player who will run the opposition through the boards for hurting a star do when they will undoubtedly be relegated to the 4th line? The Bruins have had plenty of those nuclear deterrent types and have still had their players run (Marc Savard).

Finally, please back up your statement that Dubnyk is a problem with some evidence.

*sigh*

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#16 Spydyr
July 31 2013, 01:23PM
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So many holes to fill on the Oilers so little cheese.By cheese I mean beer.

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#18 Truth
July 31 2013, 01:50PM
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If the Oilers miss the playoffs again this year I believe it should be mandatory for upper management to chase a roll of cheese down the stairs near the Royal Glenora. This can coincide with game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals and will offer Oilers fans something to cheer for.

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#19 David S
July 31 2013, 02:20PM
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DAMMIT I LOVE CHEESE!

Also, agree about Dubnyk. If a long-time hockey guy like MacT thinks we have a problem - WE HAVE A PROBLEM!

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#20 dennis
July 31 2013, 02:40PM
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1.the fab 5 gained an extra valuable year of experience and maturity. They will only be better this year 2.Bigger? no... slightly tougher ? yes... 3.There's nothing wrong with dub, his numbers are good factoring the team he played on

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#21 Hayek
July 31 2013, 02:47PM
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Goaltending is not the issue. Toughness never was an issue. Did not agree with much in this article at all.

Someone call Johnathan or Alan and get them to write an article so this one can be pushed down the queue.

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#23 Shredder
July 31 2013, 03:03PM
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Hayek wrote:

Goaltending is not the issue. Toughness never was an issue. Did not agree with much in this article at all.

Someone call Johnathan or Alan and get them to write an article so this one can be pushed down the queue.

Article about what? The hockey world is on vacation right now. Absolutely NOTHING is happening. It's killing me too. We've chatted about trade rumors in depth, the new division, changes made to the team, this player and that player, heck even who's the best radio show. There'll be an article tomorrow, but it'll be on who has the coolest logo, the best goons in Oilers history and the value they added, or which Oiler gets the most girls...

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#24 Jesse
July 31 2013, 03:26PM
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David S wrote:

DAMMIT I LOVE CHEESE!

Also, agree about Dubnyk. If a long-time hockey guy like MacT thinks we have a problem - WE HAVE A PROBLEM!

Turns out the entire group of GM's in the NHL is made up of "long-time" hockey guys. Are all of them correct in their assessments simply because of this fact?

Surely this can't be something that you can seriously base a position on. It's an age old fallacy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority

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#25 Oilfan69
July 31 2013, 03:27PM
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hey wayne ..

http://oilersnation.com/authors/nationradio

:)

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#26 Tikkanese
July 31 2013, 03:41PM
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Jesse wrote:

Wanye:

"The Oilers have arguably gotten tougher or at least bigger over the summer. With the additions of Ferrance, Perron and Gordon they can be upgraded from "butter soft" to "pillow soft."

Andrew Ference: 5'11", 189 lbs (Mark Fistric was 6'2" 233) Boyd Gordon: 6'0", 200 lbs (Horcoff was 6'1", 208) David Perron: 6'0", 205 (Paajarvi was 6'3", 208)

How did the influx of these players you mentioned make the team bigger?

Moreover, in two of those three cases, the players coming in were (yes) smaller, but way better players. These moves have had nothing to do with toughness, grit, and size and everything to do with getting better hockey players.

Also, what good does a player who will run the opposition through the boards for hurting a star do when they will undoubtedly be relegated to the 4th line? The Bruins have had plenty of those nuclear deterrent types and have still had their players run (Marc Savard).

Finally, please back up your statement that Dubnyk is a problem with some evidence.

*sigh*

Because 2/3 of those PLAY bigger. Physical size doesn't mean anything if you play "butter soft". The other 1/3 Ference vs Fistric isn't even a comparison as hockey players and Ference is no push over anyways.

I can't believe I just defended an ex-Flame.

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#27 David S
July 31 2013, 04:45PM
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Jesse wrote:

Turns out the entire group of GM's in the NHL is made up of "long-time" hockey guys. Are all of them correct in their assessments simply because of this fact?

Surely this can't be something that you can seriously base a position on. It's an age old fallacy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority

If my choice is between MacT and "a buncha guys on the internet", I think I'll go with MacT.

It's not an appeal to authority, it's just an admission that someone who spent his life in hockey, has an MBA and is highly paid to make important decisions might have an edge.

Willingness to accept anyone with a whiff of statistical understanding, a vocal online presence and some loyal followers doesn't validate said person in the real world unless they've actually made those decisions in real world circumstances.

Like MacT said. If you have to ask the question about Dubnyk, you already know the answer.

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#28 Ron Burgundy
July 31 2013, 05:16PM
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MacT needs to scout the dudes at the bottom of the hill dishing out shoulders and elbows to the fools hurtling towards them. Toughness issue solved.

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#29 Quicksilver ballet
July 31 2013, 07:36PM
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If goaltending wasn't an issue here in Edmonton, why was our GM in on every goaltender changing teams this summer? Schnieder wasn't going to be a backup here. MacTavish was in on Luongo, Schnieder, Bernier, heck, I heard he even called Hardy Astrom.

The fact that he's one of the lowest paid UFA eligible starting goaltenders in this league, shouldn't go unnoticed. When he signed his 2 yr 3.5 per deal last summer, most, if not all of us thought....WTF, what for.

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#30 Jesse
July 31 2013, 07:52PM
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David S wrote:

If my choice is between MacT and "a buncha guys on the internet", I think I'll go with MacT.

It's not an appeal to authority, it's just an admission that someone who spent his life in hockey, has an MBA and is highly paid to make important decisions might have an edge.

Willingness to accept anyone with a whiff of statistical understanding, a vocal online presence and some loyal followers doesn't validate said person in the real world unless they've actually made those decisions in real world circumstances.

Like MacT said. If you have to ask the question about Dubnyk, you already know the answer.

You're basically arguing against people who support their ideas with sound rational thinking and are continuing to appeal to authority fallaciously. This is remarkably telling.

Yes, fine, with all of his experience, MacT has "an edge", but it does not mean that he cannot be wrong about some things and that "someone on the Internet" can't be right. And automatically deferring to the authority despite this fact, as you are doing, flys in the face of sound logic.

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#31 DC
July 31 2013, 08:08PM
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Ales Hallsky wrote:

Danger 1: Soulders Danger 2: Weak shots against from the blue line Danger 3: Opposition with puck in corners

You forgot pre game skates and line changes.

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#32 vetinari
July 31 2013, 08:24PM
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The Gloucester Cheese Rollers just signed Steve Tambellini as their GM... but seriously, not to panic or overreact given that MacT has only had a few months to fix Stevie's mess, WE'RE DOOMED! DOOMED I TELLS YOU!*

*doomed includes but is not limited to finishing anywhere between 6th and infinity in their new division

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#33 DSF
July 31 2013, 08:29PM
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@vetinari

Tambellini and his new head coach, Pat Quinn, have more NHL experience than MacT and Eeeekins.

The Cheese Rollers have been pegged as 30-1 to win the Cup.

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#34 OilClog
July 31 2013, 08:56PM
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Hayek wrote:

Goaltending is not the issue. Toughness never was an issue. Did not agree with much in this article at all.

Someone call Johnathan or Alan and get them to write an article so this one can be pushed down the queue.

You're no Selma! unless, you've aged dramatically over the last few months and your milk duds now tickle your knee caps.. otherwise we all know Selma is far too pleasant for such negative energy directed in our founders way! You'll have but once to make this right!

There is a small group of us that visit with the hopes of a SUPER COOL AWESOME TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLE FRED DURST RAPPIN POWER OF A BLOG! and this one Hayek.. it delivered.

With all of these possible Willis articles of Islander 4th liners playing our 2nd line, LT's hatred for all things Smid, Gregor's infamous Yak to NJ debacle, or most of RB's old man in the latrine musings.. we need more Wayne.. MORE WAYNE! A brighter innocent version of the events always need to be presented.. hilariously. MORE WAYNE!

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#35 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
July 31 2013, 09:17PM
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DSF wrote:

Tambellini and his new head coach, Pat Quinn, have more NHL experience than MacT and Eeeekins.

The Cheese Rollers have been pegged as 30-1 to win the Cup.

hey, while you have that Stanley Cup odds sheet handy, where do the Dale Tallon led Florida Panthers i was supposed to keep an eye on land?

hint: it isnt anywhere near trending "up"

p.s. bodog has oilers at 20-1, tied with the minnesota wild. you know, the same Wild team you said was going to join the elite of the league and be a playoff powerhouse?

youtube.com/watch?v=_aiAdL8yy1Q

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#36 DSF
July 31 2013, 09:52PM
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@cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan

Get back to me when the Oilers make the playoffs,

#notanytimesoon.

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#37 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
July 31 2013, 09:59PM
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DSF wrote:

Get back to me when the Oilers make the playoffs,

#notanytimesoon.

the correct answer:

the Florida Panthers are listed at #30, out of 30 teams, as a 150-1 shot to win the Stanley Cup.

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#38 DonDon
July 31 2013, 10:15PM
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OilClog wrote:

You're no Selma! unless, you've aged dramatically over the last few months and your milk duds now tickle your knee caps.. otherwise we all know Selma is far too pleasant for such negative energy directed in our founders way! You'll have but once to make this right!

There is a small group of us that visit with the hopes of a SUPER COOL AWESOME TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLE FRED DURST RAPPIN POWER OF A BLOG! and this one Hayek.. it delivered.

With all of these possible Willis articles of Islander 4th liners playing our 2nd line, LT's hatred for all things Smid, Gregor's infamous Yak to NJ debacle, or most of RB's old man in the latrine musings.. we need more Wayne.. MORE WAYNE! A brighter innocent version of the events always need to be presented.. hilariously. MORE WAYNE!

It's WANYE, MORE WANYE.

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#39 DSF
July 31 2013, 10:28PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

the correct answer:

the Florida Panthers are listed at #30, out of 30 teams, as a 150-1 shot to win the Stanley Cup.

That, and $2.50, will get you a large double-double.

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#40 David S
July 31 2013, 11:12PM
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Jesse wrote:

You're basically arguing against people who support their ideas with sound rational thinking and are continuing to appeal to authority fallaciously. This is remarkably telling.

Yes, fine, with all of his experience, MacT has "an edge", but it does not mean that he cannot be wrong about some things and that "someone on the Internet" can't be right. And automatically deferring to the authority despite this fact, as you are doing, flys in the face of sound logic.

"Sound rational thinking" without a lick of actual experience is what high school kids have.

Of course MacT can be wrong. But I'll back the experienced guy who has an intimate feel for the game and more than a modicum of intelligence and I'll win nine times out of ten.

Just because everybody has the right to an opinion, no matter how they think they can back them up doesn't necessarily make them right.

What's remarkably telling is this online utopia people believe in. Anybody can be an expert without any actual education or experience. The internet is the ultimate "no zeros" environment.

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#41 Metal Ryan
July 31 2013, 11:33PM
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Dubnyk is good (the numbers clearly show "good") and getting better. He's never regressed. Where's the problem? Everyone else on the team got their time to grow, and goalies always take a bit longer than D-men, who take longer than forwards.

@Toetag247

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#42 Citizen Alpha
August 01 2013, 01:12AM
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OPERATION: TRASH ALL THINGS WANYE

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#43 YFC Prez
August 01 2013, 01:41AM
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Wow Negative Props button!!!!!

#Gone Trashin'

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Negative props button??

Look out DSF...you are about to get repeatedly trashed

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#45 Oilcruzer
August 01 2013, 06:45AM
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Neg props ?

LOL.

How did one post get 10 props so quick?

Grit. Abrasiveness. People who don't take stupid penalties but aren't afraid to send a message. Definite need, cuz you can't put that onto #4 - he's not effective in the penalty box.

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#46 rubbertrout
August 01 2013, 07:36AM
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Negative props? NEGATIVE PROPS!

Obviously I haven't been paying attention.

"Butter soft to Pillow soft" That's comedy gold Wanye

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#47 Ryan2
August 01 2013, 07:52AM
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David S wrote:

If my choice is between MacT and "a buncha guys on the internet", I think I'll go with MacT.

It's not an appeal to authority, it's just an admission that someone who spent his life in hockey, has an MBA and is highly paid to make important decisions might have an edge.

Willingness to accept anyone with a whiff of statistical understanding, a vocal online presence and some loyal followers doesn't validate said person in the real world unless they've actually made those decisions in real world circumstances.

Like MacT said. If you have to ask the question about Dubnyk, you already know the answer.

You are way overvaluing the MBA that MacT has. Every time someone brings this up I laugh. You either have business acumen going in or you do not - not all MBAs are created equally just like with any other degree/diploma/certificate/program graduate.

For the record, I have an MBA, and my question is what does he need it for?

Going over numbers? I thought they have people who are responsible for the salary cap and he will definitely not be the one crunching the operational financials. Do you think Katz would trust financial decisions to MacT?

Making important decisions? His decisions will be hockey based, not business based, so it will have little impact on this. If he can't pick the stud players and coaches from the duds, it will be a short stint as GM. He is in a much better position than Tambi due to the talent that comes with several high draft picks in a row, but there are still a lot of pieces he needs to put in place to assemble a contender. I am not sold on what he has done to date, but hopefully the players he brought in surprise me.

Does MacT come across as thoughtful and intelligent? Maybe (not to me, but to some friends he does). However, he made a major amateur/rookie mistake when he came in with "big" promises that he did not back up. Hopefully he learns from it and can actually make the right personnel decisions going forward (I will wait and see on that). If not, oh well, he will see how much fun it is being in a MacBlender when he is replaced.

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#48 Yakman
August 01 2013, 08:15AM
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MacT is obviously at least somewhat satisfied with Dubnyk... He could easily sign Bryzgalov or trade for Mike Miller if he wasn't... So we know he likes Dubbie more than at least those two...

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#49 Jesse
August 01 2013, 11:08AM
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David S wrote:

"Sound rational thinking" without a lick of actual experience is what high school kids have.

Of course MacT can be wrong. But I'll back the experienced guy who has an intimate feel for the game and more than a modicum of intelligence and I'll win nine times out of ten.

Just because everybody has the right to an opinion, no matter how they think they can back them up doesn't necessarily make them right.

What's remarkably telling is this online utopia people believe in. Anybody can be an expert without any actual education or experience. The internet is the ultimate "no zeros" environment.

You're probably a big fan of PJ Stock.

Experience means nothing if it is not supported by sound rational thinking. Experience means nothing if it is not supported and informed by a current, modern, up to date approach. Pat Quinn had decades of experience and was one of the worst head coaches the Oilers have ever had. Why does one coach/GM with the exact same amount of experience as another do worse?

It's this very line of thinking that you're presenting that is what is wrong with the majority of mainstream hockey analysis. Many experienced long-time hockey people rely on +/- as an accurate account of a player. Many experienced long-time hockey people discount a player's worth because he is Russain.

You say that just because someone has an opinion and can back it up it doesn't make them right. If you can't dissect what someone says and figure out if they're wrong or right based on their logic then that is not their fault, it's yours. But disregarding *what* someone says because of who they are and not because of *what they're saying* is the height of ignorance.

As I've said before, the criteria upon which you base your trust in analysis is fallacious, as you ought to place an equal amount of trust on virtually every GM in the NHL, all of which are obviously not immune to making poor decisions. Your criteria upon which you base your trust in analysis is rooted in a logical fallacy and you continue to defend it.

It's no simpler than this. There is absolutely no consensus in the "right way" to GM a hockey team in the NHL. Therefore you cannot automatically defer to someone's expertise as even the experts can, and often do, make mistakes. This should be obvious.

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#50 A-Mc
August 01 2013, 11:19AM
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Cheese chasing is hardcore! I have more respect for cheese chasers than i do Baseball players

I always knew about the cheese chasing but i never actually watched it. That video was GOLD! I didn't realize how quickly sh!t hit the fan; guys were only 10ft down the hill before all grip on reality was lost.

Cheese chasers will keep me entertained until the NHL season starts up. *Reloads the video*

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