BUY, BUY BELANGER

Jason Gregor
July 04 2013 12:06PM

The Oilers have placed centre Eric Belanger on waivers for the purpose of buying out the final year of his contract.
When the Oilers signed Belanger two years ago, many felt he was a good addition. He'd help win faceoffs and he could chip in around 30 points. He was great in the dots, winning 55% of his draws his first year and 53% this past season, but he only had 4 goals in 104 games over two seasons. His offence was non-existent.

When he was signed I mentioned the one concern former teammates and organizations said was that he wasn't considered a great dressing room guy. That turned out be accurate. He wasn't a distraction, he didn't yell at this teammates or cause friction, he just had a negative auru about him. You know the type.

That wasn't the reason he was let go, four goals in 104 games was the main one, but the Oilers are trying to "cleanse" their dressing room and they decided they'd be better off without him.

This was an easy decision for the Oilers. I know they don't have a faceoff specialist to replace him, but winning faceoffs didn't result in more scoring chances. Belanger's advanced stats were horrendous despite winning faceoffs.

I don't believe in ripping a player when he leaves town, but I've mentioned for over a year that Belanger was a detriment to this team and this is one decision that I 100% agree with for the Oilers.

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  • Interesting situation with the Leafs. They buyout Grabovski ($14.4 mIllion) and the analytics guys hate the decision. Grabovski was overpaid, but not to the point you just give up on him. If they replace him with Bozak and Clarkson I suspect our pals at www.theleafsnation.com might need counseling. The best part is that the Leafs are buying out a guy because he is overpaid, but they will replace him with two players who will also be overpaid. Awesome.
     
  •  Darren Dreger tweeted the Stars and Bruins have a huge trade in the works involving Tyler Seguin and Loui Eriksson. Jim Nill and Joe Sakic have made some significant moves right away since grabbing the reigns in Dallas and Colorado. The next week should be highly entertaining for hockey fans.  

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#51 Lochenzo
July 04 2013, 01:03PM
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@Spydyr

True dat. But at least we didn't trade Gretzky at age 21. Luckily Sather didn't listen to the fans that called into the radio sport shows complaining that Gretzky doesn't hit or skate fast.

Can you imagine the history of the Oilers without Gretzky in the mid-80s? We could be Vancouver Canucks-type Cup futility.

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#52 John Chambers
July 04 2013, 01:03PM
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The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33 wrote:

Would Grabovski be a fit here on the second line at $3.5m/yr? Can you get him that cheap?

Yes. Budget approved.

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#53 John Chambers
July 04 2013, 01:05PM
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Alex Mathis wrote:

Good luck, Eric. Hope you'll find a place somewhere else. You weren't the problem, but also not part of the solution. I wonder who's next (Eager, Horcoff).

I'd prefer Jasaon Labarbara over Emery.

Jason Labarbera > Emery. Seconded.

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#54 Will
July 04 2013, 01:11PM
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I always find it weird when consistent players move locations and just nose dive. I know the Oilers are not exclusive to this phenomenon, but we have definitely had our fair share in the past little while: Kotalik O'Bryan Cole Belangier Eagre Souray (sort of) Smyth Habby

Of the people I can say were brought here and either remained consistent or excelled were Ryan Jones and Penner.

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#55 HugThePost
July 04 2013, 01:12PM
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When the Seguin deal gets done, Nill will be up 1-0 on macT in the Summer of Bold.

I'm hoping but not expecting anything as drastic as that move for us---MacT will probably end up putting a little bit more expensive make-up on this pig for the coming season.

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#56 Walter Sobchak
July 04 2013, 01:14PM
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I would have thought MacTavish would be in on a Seguin deal...?

That would be huge.

besides the face offs I couldnt tell the difference between Belanger and Lander, with one exception. Lander is a much better teammate.

What times does the stupid season start at mountain time of course?

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#57 Bucknuck
July 04 2013, 01:15PM
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Good-bye Belanger. I thought you were a good pick up, but your offence never made the trip to Edmonton.

Now, if we get a serviceable centre for the fourth line, something interesting might come from that direction.

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#58 Jordan Nugent-Hallkins
July 04 2013, 01:16PM
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Very glad we drafted Hall instead of Seguin. He may be a potential 1st line center, but he doesn't appear to push the play and control the pace of games like Hall can.

And yet he's got his name on the cup twice already...

EDIT: meant to say once, I was beyond sure the Bruins were gonna take it this year.

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#59 wigswag
July 04 2013, 01:17PM
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HugThePost wrote:

When the Seguin deal gets done, Nill will be up 1-0 on macT in the Summer of Bold.

I'm hoping but not expecting anything as drastic as that move for us---MacT will probably end up putting a little bit more expensive make-up on this pig for the coming season.

Nill 2 MacT 0 (Gonchar) May not turn out good but is bold.

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#60 Bucknuck
July 04 2013, 01:17PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I would have thought MacTavish would be in on a Seguin deal...?

That would be huge.

besides the face offs I couldnt tell the difference between Belanger and Lander, with one exception. Lander is a much better teammate.

What times does the stupid season start at mountain time of course?

Who's to say he wasn't, but even if he was not, I'm not surprised. There is nothing on the roster (that is available) which matches what Dallas paid.

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#61 Walter Sobchak
July 04 2013, 01:18PM
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HugThePost wrote:

When the Seguin deal gets done, Nill will be up 1-0 on macT in the Summer of Bold.

I'm hoping but not expecting anything as drastic as that move for us---MacT will probably end up putting a little bit more expensive make-up on this pig for the coming season.

Nill will be 2 - 0.... he took Nichushkin when the Oilers felt he was a risk and let him walk.

If Nill took him then you can bet he just stole that player.

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#62 vetinari
July 04 2013, 01:20PM
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The Belanger Triangle was more like a Pentagram!

Good bye and good luck to the old, bring in the new. I'll definitely be watching the news feeds around noon tomorrow to see who lands where. I suspect that if MacT can't sign many UFA's, he'll try to cash in through the trade market.

The problem with being a rookie GM and a very vocal, motivated buyer is that teams will try to rob you blind until they have no alternative but make a move... patience, MacT... patience....

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#63 DigDeepNBleedBlue
July 04 2013, 01:20PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I would have thought MacTavish would be in on a Seguin deal...?

That would be huge.

besides the face offs I couldnt tell the difference between Belanger and Lander, with one exception. Lander is a much better teammate.

What times does the stupid season start at mountain time of course?

Lander would/does throw a body check.

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#64 Lochenzo
July 04 2013, 01:22PM
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I think it's relevant to explore the possibility that Seguin can still live up to his billing as a #1b pick 3 years ago. He's 21. We're still a few years away from knowing just how good he'll be. He's playing for Claude Julien, a straight line from A to B type gameplan which is not exactly the place for creative players to flourish. Did Jagr struggle because of this too or did Jagr just run out of gas? He's a centre playing wing. He'll never displace Bergeron and Krejci. From personal experience, I will tell you that I'm a natural centre that sucks at playing wing. I can still put points on the board, but I'm way better in the middle.

So is there a chance that Seguin is being undervalued by the seller? Absolutely.

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#65 Walter Sobchak
July 04 2013, 01:23PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Who's to say he wasn't, but even if he was not, I'm not surprised. There is nothing on the roster (that is available) which matches what Dallas paid.

Really, you can't offer Gagner + Marincin and 2014 first?

That's a massive upgrade to just what Nill is offering.

If MacTavish was in on the Seguin deal we WOULD no about it.

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#66 Walter Sobchak
July 04 2013, 01:24PM
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DigDeepNBleedBlue wrote:

Lander would/does throw a body check.

Good point, even gets dirty in the crease once in awhile.

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#67 G Money
July 04 2013, 01:27PM
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Belanger buyout - good.

Seguin deal - would have been nice to get in on that (I am in the camp of "he's going to be better then he is now"), but we already have our 1C, and it looks like the price would have been one of our Big 4 wingers ... I'd rather keep them and find a 2L/2C somewhere else.

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#68 Smokey
July 04 2013, 01:28PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Who's to say he wasn't, but even if he was not, I'm not surprised. There is nothing on the roster (that is available) which matches what Dallas paid.

I think you would have to offer Gagner and Klefbom to match Dallas's offer. Louis Eriksson is way better then Gagner, and Morrrow would have a bit less value then Klefbom.

Its a reasonable deal for both teams. Dallas got a first line player and potential top 4 defenman. Dallas got Seguin and spare parts.

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#69 Smokey
July 04 2013, 01:37PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Really, you can't offer Gagner + Marincin and 2014 first?

That's a massive upgrade to just what Nill is offering.

If MacTavish was in on the Seguin deal we WOULD no about it.

Marincin and Morrow are comparable minus pedigree. Gagner's never been a 70 point player. Louis done it 4 times, and probably would of put up 55 last year. Louis is two way player, Gagner bleeds chances.

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#70 Fresh Mess
July 04 2013, 01:38PM
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Nill just screwed Chiarelli without even buying him dinner

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#71 Lochenczo
July 04 2013, 01:38PM
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@Smokey

I wouldn't say that Loui is WAY better than Sam. Loui started putting up good, consistent numbers a few years ago. Sam Gagner is just reaching that age where Loui started his excellent play.

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#72 Quicksilver ballet
July 04 2013, 01:39PM
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Smokey wrote:

I think you would have to offer Gagner and Klefbom to match Dallas's offer. Louis Eriksson is way better then Gagner, and Morrrow would have a bit less value then Klefbom.

Its a reasonable deal for both teams. Dallas got a first line player and potential top 4 defenman. Dallas got Seguin and spare parts.

There isn't a team in the NHL that knows of Gagners shortcomings more than the Dallas Stars. Look no further than the Oilers record against us since Sam became a member of the Oilers. Opposing centers lick their chops when they look across and see Gags. Word spreads like wildfire, the Bruins have no use for Gagner.

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#73 bazmagoo
July 04 2013, 01:43PM
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Dalls - Boston deal seems like a good deal for both teams in my opinion. Boston obviously wasn't sold on what Seguin brought to the table, and got the best player (currently) in the deal in Eriksson. Dallas got a potential superstar #1 centre and a solid checking centre in Peverly. Boston shed some cap space which they likely intend to offer to Alfredsson, and got some solid inexpensive prospects.

Great hockey deal for both teams, time will tell who won.

If Ottawa ends up losing Alfie, does this mean Hemsky ends up in Ottawa for Zack Smith? I certainly hope so.

Zack Smith and Boyd Gordon sure would look good on the 3rd - 4th line centre position on our beloved Oil.

RIP Paul Lorieau

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#74 bazmagoo
July 04 2013, 01:47PM
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Lochenczo wrote:

I wouldn't say that Loui is WAY better than Sam. Loui started putting up good, consistent numbers a few years ago. Sam Gagner is just reaching that age where Loui started his excellent play.

Eriksson averaged 0.82 points per game the last 5 seasons, pretty darn consistent. Also missed a whopping 3 games over the last 5 seasons. He's WAY better than Gagner currently, not really debatable.

In my opinion Boston got the best player in the deal, but Seguin MIGHT prove to be better in the future. The old saying goes - whoever got the best player in the deal won the deal. If you go by that - Boston won.

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#75 Quicksilver ballet
July 04 2013, 01:48PM
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Philly is on the clock to do a similar move now. Wonder where the Oilers are on that opportunity. Oh yeah, MacT's off chasing the Leafs Clarkson.

Damn you Quicken, knew the Oilers should've taken that course.

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#76 Smokey
July 04 2013, 01:48PM
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Lochenczo wrote:

I wouldn't say that Loui is WAY better than Sam. Loui started putting up good, consistent numbers a few years ago. Sam Gagner is just reaching that age where Loui started his excellent play.

What Sam has never done, Louis done it like 5 times, its called breaking 50 points. Plus hes a legitimate 2 way player who has regular Selke consideration, and has been an all star. Hes also what 27. Hmmm.

Will Sam ever break 70 points? Will he ever be a defensive center? Louis is bar none the most under-rated ayer in the league.

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#77 Lochenzo
July 04 2013, 01:53PM
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That's the positive side for Boston. You already have a roster that will challenge for the Cup every year for the next few years. You remove the risk of a player underperforming on a fat contract, a situation that would only diminish your chance to win.

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#78 DSF
July 04 2013, 01:54PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Really, you can't offer Gagner + Marincin and 2014 first?

That's a massive upgrade to just what Nill is offering.

If MacTavish was in on the Seguin deal we WOULD no about it.

C'mon Wes.

Loui Eriksson is better than Gagner all day long and Joe Morrow is at least as good a prospect as Marincin. Remember Boston also got two pretty good prospects in the trade.

Where would Gagner play in Boston when their top 3 centres are Bergeron, Krecji and Kelly?

Boston is in "win now" mode and Eriksson fits the bill perfectly, replacing Nathan Horton.

As for Dallas, they will likely run a top line of Benn-Seguin-Nichushkin, a second line of Whitney-Peverley-Chiasson and a third line of Roussel-Eakin-Cole.

Should be fun to watch.

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#79 bazmagoo
July 04 2013, 01:55PM
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I'd like to put a bet that Daniel Alfredsson ends up signing with Boston tomorrow - any takers?

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#80 Lochenzo
July 04 2013, 01:57PM
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My point is that Loui Eriksson started playing at a high level in the NHL at age 23. Sam Gagner is 23 right now. Are you going to compare your 6 year old kid to your 2 year old kid. The 6 year old is a better walker and the 2 year old will never be as good.

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#81 DSF
July 04 2013, 01:57PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Dalls - Boston deal seems like a good deal for both teams in my opinion. Boston obviously wasn't sold on what Seguin brought to the table, and got the best player (currently) in the deal in Eriksson. Dallas got a potential superstar #1 centre and a solid checking centre in Peverly. Boston shed some cap space which they likely intend to offer to Alfredsson, and got some solid inexpensive prospects.

Great hockey deal for both teams, time will tell who won.

If Ottawa ends up losing Alfie, does this mean Hemsky ends up in Ottawa for Zack Smith? I certainly hope so.

Zack Smith and Boyd Gordon sure would look good on the 3rd - 4th line centre position on our beloved Oil.

RIP Paul Lorieau

Worth remembering that Peverley is a natural centre who was playing out of position in Boston.

In his last full season at centre in Atlanta, he scored 22G and 55P.

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#82 DSF
July 04 2013, 01:58PM
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@bazmagoo

I think you may be right.

Boston just cleared enough cap space to do it.

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#83 HugThePost
July 04 2013, 02:03PM
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Seems like the Dal-Bos trade is good for both sides, which is what trades should be all about.

You have to give up quality to get quality, which seems to be a concept a lot don't/ can't grasp (see: innumerable trade proposals like Horcoff/Belanger/Hordichuk out and in return we get Kris Letang).

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#84 Rama Lama
July 04 2013, 02:03PM
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The only player less talented than Belenger in the history of the Oilers has to be Anson Carter.

They should start a club as the least passionate players ever to don the uniform.

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#85 HugThePost
July 04 2013, 02:09PM
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Rama Lama:

my suggestions for your all-time heartless Oilers team:

Jason Bonsignore (captain, of course)

Jason Arnott, in his last couple of seasons here (wasn't into it)

Robert Nillson

Marc-Andre Bergeron (his best hit was on Rollie's knee in Game 1)

Jiri Dopita

Petr Klima (except in Game 1, when he was money)

JF Jacques

oh, this list is bringing back bad memories.

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#86 DSF
July 04 2013, 02:10PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

My point is that Loui Eriksson started playing at a high level in the NHL at age 23. Sam Gagner is 23 right now. Are you going to compare your 6 year old kid to your 2 year old kid. The 6 year old is a better walker and the 2 year old will never be as good.

Gagner would have to score 36G 63P and go +14 in his 23 year old season to match Eriksson's 23 year old season.

What do you think the chances are?

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#87 Smokey
July 04 2013, 02:10PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

My point is that Loui Eriksson started playing at a high level in the NHL at age 23. Sam Gagner is 23 right now. Are you going to compare your 6 year old kid to your 2 year old kid. The 6 year old is a better walker and the 2 year old will never be as good.

Will Sam be a 1st line 70 point selke nominate all star in the next 4 years.

Your kid argument about potential is fine. If he puts up 70 points, he will bleed it the other way. We've watched his defensive liabilities for 6 years. I like Sam, but give Erikson or Seguin any day.

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#88 DSF
July 04 2013, 02:22PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

Projecting Sam Gagner's offensive numbers last year over an 82 game schedule:

24 goals, 65 points.

So Sam was just as prolific offensively as Loui a year earlier. Give Sam some better Dmen that can move the puck and that plus minus would be much better too.

Projecting Gagner's numbers over an 82 game season is a fool's game.

In the last 10 games of the season, when the games mattered, he scored 2 assists...both of them second assists.

He has always disappeared for long stretches.

Suggesting his plus/minus would be much better is also questionable....Dallas' defense hasn't been stellar either.

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#89 Bucknuck
July 04 2013, 02:24PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Really, you can't offer Gagner + Marincin and 2014 first?

That's a massive upgrade to just what Nill is offering.

If MacTavish was in on the Seguin deal we WOULD no about it.

You have to think the Bruins were looking for big wingers to complement their existing Centres. Gagner doesn't suit that team need, and next year's first rounder, while valuable, is probably not going to tickle a GM who is looking to win this coming year. Marincin is just a prospect at this point.

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#90 Time Travelling Sean
July 04 2013, 02:24PM
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Even if Gagner got 70 points a season, I'd prefer Eriksson's consistency instead of Gags scorching hot streaks and dry cold snaps.

Seems the quiet, conserved Nil has one-uped the slightly presumptuous, boisterous silver fox.

If Nichushkin is their 1st line LW that is a problem. Paajarvi has all the tools that Nichy has, speed, size, and the rest, and he hasn't lit the world on fire.

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#91 RamaLama
July 04 2013, 02:28PM
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HugThePost wrote:

Rama Lama:

my suggestions for your all-time heartless Oilers team:

Jason Bonsignore (captain, of course)

Jason Arnott, in his last couple of seasons here (wasn't into it)

Robert Nillson

Marc-Andre Bergeron (his best hit was on Rollie's knee in Game 1)

Jiri Dopita

Petr Klima (except in Game 1, when he was money)

JF Jacques

oh, this list is bringing back bad memories.

Great additions to the club, except for Arnott maybe.

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#92 OilersBrass
July 04 2013, 02:28PM
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After that trade Boston just pulled off and still needing a right winger, I wonder if they'd trade Carl Soderberg straight up for Hemsky.

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#93 DSF
July 04 2013, 02:31PM
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Lochenzo wrote:

So you tell me it's silly to project using 48 games, and then make assumptions using 10 games?

No.

I didn't suggest Gagner would have scored 0G and 10P in a full 82 game season.

Just reminding you that he has often vanished for extended periods of time throughout his carer so projecting based on half a season isn't vey useful.

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#94 Lochenzo
July 04 2013, 02:35PM
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DSF wrote:

No.

I didn't suggest Gagner would have scored 0G and 10P in a full 82 game season.

Just reminding you that he has often vanished for extended periods of time throughout his carer so projecting based on half a season isn't vey useful.

Loui Eriksson has just 9 points in 22 playoff games. I will excuse him because he was only 24 at the time.

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#95 OilersBrass
July 04 2013, 02:38PM
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Steven wrote:

Magically, Teams like Colorado, Calgary and Dallas have taken strides to improve their teams through active management. So far, MacTavish has accomplished next to nothing. Yet the fans seem to console themselves by the classic "they were asking too much" or even worse, the "there's still time to make a move." The whole organization and its fan base exude defeatism and are satisfied with mediocrity. Demand better.

Okay then, what crazy suggestions do you have that you think the Oil should do?

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#96 OilersBrass
July 04 2013, 02:48PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I think he wants the Oilers to fire Mac T ..........he is no good. I suggest we bring back Kevin Lowe as the GM, that will fix everything.

Or MAYBE, this guy is just trying to create shock and awe instead of being..... Just plain bold.

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#97 Romulus' Apotheosis
July 04 2013, 02:55PM
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Gregor must be away from his computer. He hasn't scrubbed DSF's (PHWA's #1 fan) comments yet.

Belanger. Too bad we couldn't find a pick for him at the deadline. If MacT can land Grabo and Gordon tomorrow or soon after, this will be a find decision. If a week passes and all the available Cs are gone, we may miss this not-very-good depth player.

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#98 justDOit
July 04 2013, 02:55PM
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It's looking like all the BOLD talk will turn into BOLLD talk come September, (Boring Old Left-wing Lock Defense).

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#99 Wigswag
July 04 2013, 02:58PM
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Steven wrote:

Magically, Teams like Colorado, Calgary and Dallas have taken strides to improve their teams through active management. So far, MacTavish has accomplished next to nothing. Yet the fans seem to console themselves by the classic "they were asking too much" or even worse, the "there's still time to make a move." The whole organization and its fan base exude defeatism and are satisfied with mediocrity. Demand better.

All these teams have made moves. Improved their teams ... I don't think so. (Gonchar will help but @ 10 million dollars)

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#100 fig pucker
July 04 2013, 03:00PM
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wow horton in columbus, pretty bad when the blue jackets look better than us. what and we can't put together a competitive package to get in on the seguin deal? i guess we don't need centre men. here's the blocbuster move mac t is talking about, we'll go from finishing 23rd overall to 22nd or dare i say 21st, alright everyone try and hold back your excitment as we settle in for 8yrs with no playoffs.

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